357 carry revolver

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I keep reading the threads here about revolvers and it makes me really want one. The problem is I don't know much about revolvers. I'd like to get one to carry on a belt not for pocket carry. I have been looking at the Model 60 Pro. Tritium front, adjustable rear, went through the Pro Shop but I am really not sure what they have done to it and nice grips. I would probably change the grip out for a full three finger set of grips that encloses the back strap because I have a pretty big hand. I like that its a stainless model, a three inch barrel and that its covered by warranty.
I would be interested to hear from you experienced revolver guys about this dilemma I find myself in. Is this a good choice or are there options I should consider.

[GJM]

Are you looking for a carry revolver capable of shooting .357, or a revolver you plan to routinely shoot .357 out of? Depending upon your answer, you may choose something different.

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I would say capable but not shoot .357 a lot. Carry .357 yes.


Are you looking for a carry revolver capable of shooting .357, or a revolver you plan to routinely shoot .357 out of? Depending upon your answer, you may choose something different.

[GJM]

What length barrel?

[SLG]

I would look at something else, most likely. 3 or 4" M65 used is still reasonable, compared to other models.

No J frame will comfortably handle magnums, where the K's will do what you are looking to do.

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The 60 model has a three inch barrel. I was just looking at the website ballistics by the inch. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html There is quite a drop in velocity from 4" to three inch. In the real world does that make a difference?


What length barrel?

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I just did some research on that model. I see your point.


I would look at something else, most likely. 3 or 4" M65 used is still reasonable, compared to other models.

No J frame will comfortably handle magnums, where the K's will do what you are looking to do.

[SteveB]

I just did some research on that model. I see your point.

The K-frame also gives you 6 rounds instead of 5. Since you have big hands, you want to shoot .357 and you want belt carry, the bigger gun is a better bet.

[Sigfan26]

I shot a new Model 66 (4.25") shortly before leaving my previous employer. With full power 158gr 357, it was very pleasant to shoot.

[45dotACP]

You could get a Kimber K6
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In failing that, I really like the looks of the Wiley Clapp Ruger SP101s

[JHC]

I would look at something else, most likely. 3 or 4" M65 used is still reasonable, compared to other models.

No J frame will comfortably handle magnums, where the K's will do what you are looking to do.

That's the best place to start IMO.

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Thanks for all the input. Buds has a three inch j frame in the rental section so I'll give that one a whirl with .38 and .357. I will also be looking at the K frame market.
Until I did some research I didn't realize the number after 65 meant the model year. I thought it meant the barrel length, Are there any particular models that are recommended over others?

[JHC]

Model 65 is a fixed sighted SS K frame .357. The Model 13 is it's blued counterpart.

[Nephrology]

I would also consider the Ruger GP!00. SP101, esp. the Wiley Clapp GP100.

[WDW]

If I was gonna carry a revolver today, it would probably be this...
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_49_1814/products_id/411553484/Ruger+1753+GP100+HGP-331-NVK+6RD+357MAG38SP+%2BP+3%22+TALO+Exclusive

[Nephrology]

If I was gonna carry a revolver today, it would probably be this...
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_49_1814/products_id/411553484/Ruger+1753+GP100+HGP-331-NVK+6RD+357MAG38SP+%2BP+3%22+TALO+Exclusive

Ditto.

[Whirlwind06]

I just recently picked up a Ruger LCR .357, with the tamer grip 125 grain .357s were not that bad.
Other then having to build up the "J-frame callous" in the web of my hand again ~75 rounds was doable.

[UNK]

Buds this Saturday for sure...unless I am snowed in. So what is the deal with older Smiths and no parts availability no warranty and will they even work on them?

[JHC]

Buds this Saturday for sure...unless I am snowed in. So what is the deal with older Smiths and no parts availability no warranty and will they even work on them?

I didn't think it a problem. I spoke to their CS/Performance center live a few weeks back about sending in an old pre-Model 27 for timing and fix as necessary. We explicitly talked of this gun dating back into the '50's and the fellow who sounded pretty sharp didn't bat an eye about that.

[SLG]

Buds this Saturday for sure...unless I am snowed in. So what is the deal with older Smiths and no parts availability no warranty and will they even work on them?

Most of the time it is not an issue. I mentioned Smith's because I'm partial to the older ones, but any of the similar Ruger offerings would not cause me to hesitate. There is definitely something to buying a current production gun, and the Ruger's offer a lot.

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Thanks all of you guys for the input.

[Totem Polar]

Not much to add that others have not, except that handling each before you buy is important. Of the revolvers being discussed here, I've owned both production and custom versions of everything but the Kimber (natch), and I like them all, but I've decided that the stock SP101 trigger reach just doesn't work for me (and aftermarket grips just bung up speed loading and move the SP into 3" S&W model 64 or 2" model 12 territory anyways).

My favorite guns are the K frames in 3" and 4" versions in that order, eg. my 3" RB model 65 .357. The compact gripped 3" GP100s can be amazing shooters, and rival the K frame for sending bullets out of. But they're sort of boat anchors to carry, IMNSHO.

Funny, when I was, say, 21 I didn't think anything of sticking a partial-shroud 3" GP in my pants AIWB Mexican, but we didn't have the same options when I was 21 either. In an age of G26 and even G43 (to say nothing of my age now), it's harder to get behind the idea of a Clapp GP EDC. OMMV.

But, yeah, buy once cry once. Find a minty 13/65 or just try the Clapp GP. You'll find a place for it, even if it's not your daily pocket dump.
JMO

[JonInWA]

Another preferential recommendation for Rugers-particularly their GP100 models. I think that for carry in particular there's a lot to be said for the GP100 Match Champions, with either the Novak Lo-Mount fixed rear sight or the Ruger adjustable rear sight. While their 3" GP variants are very nice (both in the standard stainless offering and the Wiley Clapp versions), having previously concurrently owned both a 3" and a 4" GP, I found that the additional barrel length of the 4" (I guess now 4.2") gives more velocity and sight plane, without sacrificing much at all in drawability and carry comfort; I think the longer tube gives greater flexibility (but the 3" is still an excellent gun, that gainsaid).

I would also consider replacing the full-size grips currently OEM with all GP100s with the recently re-available compact grip from shopruger.com; it was originally the OEM grip for the fixed-sight GP100s, and is much more convenient to carry (especially if carrying concealed), and there's sufficient length and surface grip area to provide for a very secure grip. See: http://shopruger.com/Rubber-Grips-with-Rosewood-Inserts-Compact/productinfo/70084/

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN3296.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN3296.jpg.html)

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1287.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1287.jpg.html)

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1290.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1290.jpg.html)

Best, Jon

[Malamute]

Buds this Saturday for sure...unless I am snowed in. So what is the deal with older Smiths and no parts availability no warranty and will they even work on them?

Brownells has quality aftermarket hands and cylinder locking bolts, the main wear items. Other parts, if they aren't available from Smith, can be found on the net. The Smith-Wesson forum is a good place to look. I cant recall needing much for my Smiths other than a several oversize hands for different guns, and I had a slightly bent extractor rod once. I think they are still available.

As to the guns, the 3" fixed sight K frame guns are a good all around size. I'm rather fond of the 2 1/2" model 19. The one I had was scary accurate, if a bit loud in the muzzle blast department. All 357 are a bit loud in the muzzle blast department to me though. I wouldn't be opposed to a 4" model 19 if I could get a summer special holster for it. I'm sure theres other good holster options also.

[BehindBlueI's]

I really dig my Wiley Clapp GP100. That said, I don't find it any more trouble to carry a 4" than I do to carry a 3". When I do carry a revolver I tend to carry the Match Champion.

[HCM]

Brownells has quality aftermarket hands and cylinder locking bolts, the main wear items. Other parts, if they aren't available from Smith, can be found on the net. The Smith-Wesson forum is a good place to look. I cant recall needing much for my Smiths other than a several oversize hands for different guns, and I had a slightly bent extractor rod once. I think they are still available.

As to the guns, the 3" fixed sight K frame guns are a good all around size. I'm rather fond of the 2 1/2" model 19. The one I had was scary accurate, if a bit loud in the muzzle blast department. All 357 are a bit loud in the muzzle blast department to me though. I wouldn't be opposed to a 4" model 19 if I could get a summer special holster for it. I'm sure theres other good holster options also.

Smith still has parts for older guns and they will work on them though they are not covered by the lifetime warranty.

Ruger no longer supports the Six Series (Security six etc).

[JonInWA]

Smith still has parts for older guns and they will work on them though they are not covered by the lifetime warranty.

Ruger no longer supports the Six Series (Security six etc).

My understanding is that Ruger might or might not support -Six series revolvers, depending upon the parts/work needed...

I have a 1978-vintage Security Six; it's been an excellent revolver, and is used to this day for carry, nightstand duty and IDPA.
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20Security%20Six/DSCN1636.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20Security%20Six/DSCN1636.jpg.html)

Realistically, given at least the potential of limited factory support, their modern equivalent is probably the short-shrouded Match Champion-the Novak-sighted version would be the equivalent of a Service Six, the adjustable sight version akin to the Security Six. While they're probably still a tad heavier, their slab-sided short-shrouded barrels should provide some excellent dynamic handling characteristics, much like the -Six revolvers-in a modernized (and fully factory-supported) format.
http://www.ruger.com/products/gp100MatchChampion/models.html

Best, Jon

[deputyG23]

OP, I know you said .357 for occasional use, but consider a .38 special only GP-100.
I found a 4" blued half-lug security trade in gun in early 2014 in a LGS for $275.
Heavy .38 special factory loads are available from Buffalo Bore and Cor-Bon. My recollection is that current .357 factory ammo is not what it used to be, power wise.
The GP-100 .38 guns can digest 38-44 equivalent loads with no issue and are probably comparable to the lower power .357 loads sold today.
I have some 125 grain JHP bullets that will be used to develop a "+P+" load for this revolver.

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Again Thanks to all. I couldn't stand it anymore and took a half day off :-) Saw some gorgeous older SW 41 44 and 357 magnums. This is from the era when they came in a wood box and a blue velvet lining.
Also got to handle some K frame 4". I have to be honest the K frames are just too big. However I did get to shoot some 357 124 or 125gn through a 60 series Pro shop model.
Boys with a deeper (More meat past the backstrap) set of grips that j frame is going to be hard to beat. The recoil was not bad at all. The checkering did a great job. Double action was buttery smooth and light, single action was very light. very very light. DA only on a pro shop model wouldn't make me hesitate one second.

[Stumpnav]

Newer S&Ws have the keyed lock if that is a concern.

The 3" GP100 (mine is the Wiley Clapp version) with aftermarket Ruger compact grips makes a nice carry gun on the belt.

For pocket carry, the Ruger LCR is outstanding! That little gun has the best DA trigger pull of any wheelgun I have. Rides in the front jeans pocket without even noticing it is there.

[UNK]

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On sale at ky Gun Co $639 cash. They had 4 this am. Now they only have three. :cool:

[newyork]

Congrats that's a beauty! Model?

[WDW]

5611
On sale at ky Gun Co $639 cash. They had 4 this am. Now they only have three. :cool:

Good choice! That should be a fine carry gun.

[SeriousStudent]

If it didn't come with that infernal lock, they would have two of them.

Model 60 Pro, correct? I looked at them, but bailed thanks to the lock.

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Plug is available. Not a big deal.


If it didn't come with that infernal lock, they would have two of them.

Model 60 Pro, correct? I looked at them, but bailed thanks to the lock.

[SeriousStudent]

My understanding was that the guy on Smith and Wesson forums was on hiatus. Has that changed?

I have installed the Plug on a pair of J frames, and they work well. I'd just rather not do it if I don't have to, and am negotiating on a old 3" Model 36 right now.

[BehindBlueI's]

Plug is available. Not a big deal.

Plug still mars the looks, doesn't prevent accidental engagement, nor erase the memory of why it's there for some of us. I like pre-hole S&W and post-lawyer billboard Rivers. Tastes vary.

[LSP972]

Plug... doesn't prevent accidental engagement...


Sure it does. It replaces the entire lock mechanism. Of course, one should remove the "flag" as well, but I don't think it (the flag) will fit in there with a Plug clipped in place.

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[BehindBlueI's]

Sure it does. It replaces the entire lock mechanism. Of course, one should remove the "flag" as well, but I don't think it (the flag) will fit in there with a Plug clipped in place.

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I'm pretty sure you know way more about this than me, but I thought you had to grind off the tab, the flag that I think you're referring to.

Regardless, I just can't buy one with a hole. Nothing against those who do, I'm sure it'll be a great gun. Just isn't for me.

[11B10]

Another preferential recommendation for Rugers-particularly their GP100 models. I think that for carry in particular there's a lot to be said for the GP100 Match Champions, with either the Novak Lo-Mount fixed rear sight or the Ruger adjustable rear sight. While their 3" GP variants are very nice (both in the standard stainless offering and the Wiley Clapp versions), having previously concurrently owned both a 3" and a 4" GP, I found that the additional barrel length of the 4" (I guess now 4.2") gives more velocity and sight plane, without sacrificing much at all in drawability and carry comfort; I think the longer tube gives greater flexibility (but the 3" is still an excellent gun, that gainsaid).

I would also consider replacing the full-size grips currently OEM with all GP100s with the recently re-available compact grip from shopruger.com; it was originally the OEM grip for the fixed-sight GP100s, and is much more convenient to carry (especially if carrying concealed), and there's sufficient length and surface grip area to provide for a very secure grip. See: http://shopruger.com/Rubber-Grips-with-Rosewood-Inserts-Compact/productinfo/70084/

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN3296.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN3296.jpg.html)

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1287.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1287.jpg.html)

http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae343/JonInWA/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1290.jpg (http://s986.photobucket.com/user/JonInWA/media/Ruger%20GP100/DSCN1290.jpg.html)

Best, Jon



^^^WOW - just beautiful firearms - thanks for the great pictures! somedaysomeday

[DiscipulusArmorum]

My understanding was that the guy on Smith and Wesson forums was on hiatus. Has that changed?



Someone else has stepped in to make and sell them on the S&W forum. The member's name is epj and his company is called JMT. No affiliation or experience with him, but have his ad bookmarked in case I run into too good a deal on a be-locked revolver.

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Someone else has stepped in to make and sell them on the S&W forum. The member's name is epj and his company is called JMT. No affiliation or experience with him, but have his ad bookmarked in case I run into too good a deal on a be-locked revolver.

I think this guy is the original maker. This post is marked this month.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/accessories-misc-sale-trade/460110-plug.html

I think this is the JMT guy. I believe it is Jennings Machine and tool. He also makes a sight pusher that looks pretty heavy duty. http://www.sightpushertool.com/default.html Just got an email from him his name is Ed Jennings.edjs47@charter.net He has them in stock.

Congrats that's a beauty! Model?

Model 60 Pro series

[SeriousStudent]

Thank you for the updated information, and that sight tool looks quite useful.

I ordered a pair of Plugs (because: reasons) and a sight tool.

If I have a fit of weakness, I might snag one of those 60 Pro's. I have a spare pair of J-Frame Bianchi Lightning grips that would work well with it.

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A couple words of caution. Holsters. There is not a blue gun for the 60 pro Series that I bought. I don't know yet if the regular 60 series 3" blue gun will work with the pro series. The tritium front sight is useless.


Thank you for the updated information, and that sight tool looks quite useful.

I ordered a pair of Plugs (because: reasons) and a sight tool.

If I have a fit of weakness, I might snag one of those 60 Pro's. I have a spare pair of J-Frame Bianchi Lightning grips that would work well with it.

[BehindBlueI's]

The tritium front sight is useless.

How so? (not doubting you, just curious)

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With the lights out I have to search for it. Its small and barely glows.


How so? (not doubting you, just curious)

[DiscipulusArmorum]

With the lights out I have to search for it. Its small and barely glows.

Is this what the front sight looks like?
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If so, I can see how that might be suboptimal. That tritium vial is awfully far in there, and I would think that little "tunnel" sucks up some of the light that would reach your eye if it weren't so recessed.

Seems like the front sight on the 640 Pro would be easier to see.

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That's it exactly. I'm going to call Smith and Trijicon Monday. On the other hand it has a full length extraction rod. I dry fired it last night till my finger was sore. The trigger has smoothed out nicely. The plug is ordered and Monday I'm going to order a set of grips that enclose the backstrap.



Is this what the front sight looks like?
5629

If so, I can see how that might be suboptimal. That tritium vial is awfully far in there, and I would think that little "tunnel" sucks up some of the light that would reach your eye if it weren't so recessed.

Seems like the front sight on the 640 Pro would be easier to see.

[SeriousStudent]

A couple words of caution. Holsters. There is not a blue gun for the 60 pro Series that I bought. I don't know yet if the regular 60 series 3" blue gun will work with the pro series. The tritium front sight is useless.

Thanks for the tip.

Regarding the front site, it will likely be replaced with an XS Big Dot. I have a GP100 with a Big Dot on the front, and like now it works with my aged eyeballs.

And I'll probably have Dark Star and JRC make the holsters for it, they are my go-to folks.

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I've already talked to Dark Star. He doesn't think it will be a problem.

What makes you thing the big dot would work well with this revolver, Particularly the rear sight?



Thanks for the tip.

Regarding the front site, it will likely be replaced with an XS Big Dot. I have a GP100 with a Big Dot on the front, and like now it works with my aged eyeballs.

And I'll probably have Dark Star and JRC make the holsters for it, they are my go-to folks.

[LSP972]

I'm pretty sure you know way more about this than me, but I thought you had to grind off the tab, the flag that I think you're referring to.


That's the way to do it, if you're NOT going with The Plug. To use The Plug, you gotta knock the whole lock mechanism out of the frame; flag included.

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[SeriousStudent]

I've already talked to Dark Star. He doesn't think it will be a problem.

What makes you thing the big dot would work well with this revolver, Particularly the rear sight?

Because I can actually see it. That's not a smartasstic answer, but a sadly accurate one. My eyeballs, they not so good.

[camsdaddy]

Because I can actually see it. That's not a smartasstic answer, but a sadly accurate one. My eyeballs, they not so good.

Other than being a night sight will it be effective than a standard ramp painted the bright color of your choice?

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Yes it would be. It's not at the brightness you would normally associate with a tritium sight.
Other than being a night sight will it be effective than a standard ramp painted the bright color of your choice?

[SLG]

5611
On sale at ky Gun Co $639 cash. They had 4 this am. Now they only have three. :cool:

Is that blued or stainless? Must just be the light, but it looks like gorgeous charcoal bluing. I used to have a 3" m36, and couldnt really warm up to it. Shot much more like a 2" j frame than a 3 " k, so i moved it. Your pic has me reconsidering...

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Its stainless. I think the finish is called satin. Kind of like a bead blast.


Is that blued or stainless? Must just be the light, but it looks like gorgeous charcoal bluing. I used to have a 3" m36, and couldnt really warm up to it. Shot much more like a 2" j frame than a 3 " k, so i moved it. Your pic has me reconsidering...

[Whirlwind06]

Congrats on your purchase!

[azerious]

Even though you bought one, I would add another vote for the Ruger Wiley Clapp for anyone else on the fence.

[tanner]

Even though you bought one, I would add another vote for the Ruger Wiley Clapp for anyone else on the fence.

Concur.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I have the standard, stainless 3" GP 100 AND the Wiley Clapp GP 100. If I had a good kydex AIWB rig for them, I'd use them. Also, if I was still forced to carry a revolver in a guard/uniform capacity, I'd use either of them, gratefully.


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[Hizzie]

I have the standard, stainless 3" GP 100 AND the Wiley Clapp GP 100. If I had a good kydex AIWB rig for them, I'd use them. Also, if I was still forced to carry a revolver in a guard/uniform capacity, I'd use either of them, gratefully.


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Fear not lad! JM Custom Kydex can rescue you from the perils of bottom feeders.

http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=13161


;)

[SGT_Calle]

I have the standard, stainless 3" GP 100 AND the Wiley Clapp GP 100. If I had a good kydex AIWB rig for them, I'd use them. Also, if I was still forced to carry a revolver in a guard/uniform capacity, I'd use either of them, gratefully.


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I carried my 686 SSR at one security posting for a long time and was more than happy to!


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[S Jenks]

I have a JMCK AIWB rig for my GP100 WC. It's the usual awesomeness that is their product line, very highly recommended with impeccable customer service.

If you're like me and have the beginnings of a spare tire (5'10" and ~190 lbs) and you plan on AIWB while sitting, consider either a bobbed hammer or seeing if your holster can be ordered with enough of a sweat guard to protect your gut from the sharp edges of the hammer.

Come to think about it, does anyone have a pic of a high sweat shield JMCK AIWB for a revolver? I just searched but couldn't find an example.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I have a JMCK AIWB rig for my GP100 WC. It's the usual awesomeness that is their product line, very highly recommended with impeccable customer service.

If you're like me and have the beginnings of a spare tire (5'10" and ~190 lbs) and you plan on AIWB while sitting, consider either a bobbed hammer or seeing if your holster can be ordered with enough of a sweat guard to protect your gut from the sharp edges of the hammer.

Come to think about it, does anyone have a pic of a high sweat shield JMCK AIWB for a revolver? I just searched but couldn't find an example.

Tony is my main holster guy now! He is currently whipping up an AIWB rig for my 2" Model 12. I have several of his auto rigs, but this is the first revo holster. Once I see how I can run the 2", I'll get some for me GP's too.


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[Wild Dog]

If you're going to carry a wheelgun, carry at least two. In the middle of a fight, when the weapon clicks empty drop it and perform a new york reload.

[Rustin]

A 3" ruger sp101 would serve you well. Check out buffalo bores website and you'll see some impressive numbers. IIRC, a 158 gr slug was traveling 1400 fps out of a 3' sp101.

I have both the sp101in .357 (2" bbl) and a .38 lcr.

I'm selling the sp101.

I've got stock grips on the sp101 and boot grips for the lcr. Shooting .38 in the ruger stings a bit, but it isn't too far from the sp101 with .38s.

Only shot 5 rounds of full power .357 through the sp101. It was painful and I probably wouldn't do it regularly. I managed a decent group but again, not fun. The larger hogue grips certainly helped but they didn't exactly fit my hand.

The main reason I'm selling the sp is because my long fingers have a difficult time with the long trigger. Not a big deal until I practiced drawing and rapid fire. I did much better with thw lcr.

Someday Ill get the 3" lcr when they chamber it for .357. I might also get a 2" in .357 to reduce the recoil with .38s.

With some big grips, I don't think the .357 lcr would have much more felt recoil than the sp101, despite its weight. Heck, I've even heard people say the plastic lcr soaks up the recoil better.

Two words that will make you want the sp101...

Gemini Customs.

[Digiroc]

If you're going to carry a wheelgun, carry at least two. In the middle of a fight, when the weapon clicks empty drop it and perform a new york reload.

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The Scandium / Titanium Airlite proved so vicious in recoil with either +P .38's or the .357's it's chambered for that I bought the 640 Pro to have a gun I can train with and enjoy shooting.

I had thought I'd shoot .38s and carry .357's in the Airlite but now I'm thinking the even for carry I'll use +P .38's in it and just work on accurate shot placement and follow up shots with it.

I'll still do most of my shooting with the 640 Pro and most of my carry with the Airlite. It is a dream to carry, so light and small. The bobbed hammer and shorter barrel is more comfortable for AIWB and now, since I bobbed the hammer, it can fit in my ankle holster's retention strap. I can even carry the Airlite in the elastic of sweatpants or running shorts without sagging. I don't even notice it's there once my body heat warms it up.

The 340 pro's recoil seems reasonable even with .357's because compared to the Airlite it's a pussycat. Of course it also feels like an anchor in comparison.

I bought my Kimber Ultra CDP II to have a .45 carry gun that is small and light, it's even lighter than the 640 Pro. It took a couple of hundred rounds to "break-in" and since that, and going to S&W magazines, I have not had any failures with it in 300~400 subsequent firings.

Digiroc

[Digiroc]

... No J frame will comfortably handle magnums...

Taken out of context SLG, but could you elaborate on that point? I think shooting magnum handguns "comfortably" is plinking with .22 Mag's. although my High Standard .22 Mag derringer might be the exception to that rule. In my opinion, any adequate defensive weapon will produce some discomfort when firing from the hands.

It's your ability to manage recoil that contributes a great deal to the relative comfort, as well as the accuracy achieved, especially with follow up shots. My own method is to get ahold of it with both hands in a very firm grip lay my left (weak) hand's index finger in a squeeze on the front of the trigger guard, which in the case of the AirLite as well as the Kimber are given grip with some skateboard tape stuck on the leading edge.

With my all steel J framed 640, it's weight makes it "comfortable" to shoot in a relative sense, at least when my two handed "death grip" is applied. Offhand, not so much. To me, if I can accurately control a magnum handgun that's comfort to me.

Digiroc

[BehindBlueI's]

Taken out of context SLG, but could you elaborate on that point? I think shooting magnum handguns "comfortably" is plinking with .22 Mag's. although my High Standard .22 Mag derringer might be the exception to that rule. In my opinion, any adequate defensive weapon will produce some discomfort when firing from the hands.

It's your ability to manage recoil that contributes a great deal to the relative comfort, as well as the accuracy achieved, especially with follow up shots. My own method is to get ahold of it with both hands in a very firm grip lay my left (weak) hand's index finger in a squeeze on the front of the trigger guard, which in the case of the AirLite as well as the Kimber are given grip with some skateboard tape stuck on the leading edge.

With my all steel J framed 640, it's weight makes it "comfortable" to shoot in a relative sense, at least when my two handed "death grip" is applied. Offhand, not so much. To me, if I can accurately control a magnum handgun that's comfort to me.

Digiroc

I would rather fire 500 158 gr full house .357s from my GP100 Match champion than 10 from my LCR. Make of it what you will, but as the round count goes up, "comfortably" begins to matter a lot more. Especially when you start taping blisters.

[Digiroc]

... as the round count goes up, "comfortably" begins to matter a lot more...

The Ruger Match Champion is a beautiful weapon. I'd say the weight and full size grip go a long way to making it a joy to shoot hot .357's all day long. A carry gun if in open carry, but kinda hard to hide on my small frame if concealment is a priority.

Five rounds of .357's through my AirLite left my wrist sore for three days, yet I shot a couple of boxes of the same ammo with the 340 without much discomfort. What a difference a kilo makes when it comes to handguns!

Digiroc

[Hizzie]

Taken out of context SLG, but could you elaborate on that point? I think shooting magnum handguns "comfortably" is plinking with .22 Mag's. although my High Standard .22 Mag derringer might be the exception to that rule. In my opinion, any adequate defensive weapon will produce some discomfort when firing from the hands.

It's your ability to manage recoil that contributes a great deal to the relative comfort, as well as the accuracy achieved, especially with follow up shots. My own method is to get ahold of it with both hands in a very firm grip lay my left (weak) hand's index finger in a squeeze on the front of the trigger guard, which in the case of the AirLite as well as the Kimber are given grip with some skateboard tape stuck on the leading edge.

With my all steel J framed 640, it's weight makes it "comfortable" to shoot in a relative sense, at least when my two handed "death grip" is applied. Offhand, not so much. To me, if I can accurately control a magnum handgun that's comfort to me.

Digiroc

I didn't enjoy a cylinder full of hot 125's out my SP101 with stock grips. I can 100 rounds comfortably with Pachmayr Compacs on it. Weight is only part of the answer.

[Digiroc]

... Weight is only part of the answer...

Oh I agree, but it's a big part, physics is involved. Ergometrics is important too. The grips on my J frames are identical rubberized panels that are very "grippy" but the exposed backstrap does transmit shock impulse, which no doubt contributed to my lasting pain after firing the AirLite, although it didn't bother me with the 640 after firing nearly 10 times the number of rounds.

A set of rubber grips that cover the backstrap would make my J frame 640 good for 100 rounds without discomfort. I do have small hands and the stock Smith grips fill my hand and feel just right though but I'd be willing to spend $25 to try out the Pachmayr Compacs just to see the difference in felt recoil.

Digiroc

[Digiroc]

I've ordered a S&W laser grip for my AirLite it covers the backstrap and has some extra cushioning for the web of my hand so it should help tame the recoil, I may even begin to think about shooting full loads in it again:

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Digiroc

[mmc45414]

A 3" ruger sp101 would serve you well. Check out buffalo bores website and you'll see some impressive numbers. IIRC, a 158 gr slug was traveling 1400 fps out of a 3' sp101.

Two words that will make you want the sp101...

Gemini Customs.
I have a SS-2 on order that should show up any day now. Perhaps I will carry the combo to the NRA-AM in Louisville, it will be the closest thing to a BBQ Gun I have, even if it is concealed :)

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[FotoTomas]

My carry .357 magnum revolvers are the S&W model 19 Combat Magnum. I have a 2.5" and a 4" model. After over 40 years of revolver use and ownership the "K" frame (no lock) S&W is my one and only choice for personal use as a trail or personal defense magnum revolver. A pair of 2" "J" frame Air Weight .38s are my pocket guns and a 2" and 4" brace of Model 10 M&Ps round out my IDPA revolvers.

Having owned over the last 40 plus years a plethora of Colt, Ruger, Dan Wesson, Charter Arms, Rossi, Llama (Spain) and Taurus revolvers, the above six wheelguns are my choice to ride off into the sunset with. :)

[Digiroc]

Putting the Crimson Trace laser gripes on my AirLite J frame has made it much more comfortable to shoot. The air channel over the backstrap works great to absorb much of the recoil produced by +P's and I may even try it again with .357's:

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Of course the laser as aiming aid is very nice as well. It adjusted to point of aim very easily and allows target acquisition much faster than bringing the weapon up to eye level. My 640 Pro Series will still be my "shooter" and range/training weapon. Together with either my Kimber Ultra Carry or my CS9 as backup when five shots may not be enough I feel very adequately armed.

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[theJanitor]

just paid for this guy. Now for some leather and reloading devices. any direction would be appreciated

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/grandprixboy/732A8C8C-0AB2-466E-83C9-9D2FEBD217A2.jpg (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/grandprixboy/media/732A8C8C-0AB2-466E-83C9-9D2FEBD217A2.jpg.html)

[BehindBlueI's]

just paid for this guy. Now for some leather and reloading devices. any direction would be appreciated

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/grandprixboy/732A8C8C-0AB2-466E-83C9-9D2FEBD217A2.jpg (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/grandprixboy/media/732A8C8C-0AB2-466E-83C9-9D2FEBD217A2.jpg.html)


Milt Sparks has been my go to for IWB revolver holstes. JRCholsters on here is making me a IWB for an N-frame, and I'm pretty excited about it, as well. Privateer leather has some interesting designs and people I trust to know the difference say they are good quality, but I've no personal experience with them.

[coconutdave]

I have a couple of holsters from Simply Rugged. They are basic pancake style, but very comfortable and functional. Only about two weeks to get them also.

[11B10]

just paid for this guy. Now for some leather and reloading devices. any direction would be appreciated

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/grandprixboy/732A8C8C-0AB2-466E-83C9-9D2FEBD217A2.jpg (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/grandprixboy/media/732A8C8C-0AB2-466E-83C9-9D2FEBD217A2.jpg.html)



That is a great-looking firearm, Sir - thanks for making my revolver fever much worse.

[tanner]

Veering off topic slightly, I can't imagine I could go wrong with a Milt Sparks OWB holster, but does anyone else have any suggestions for a field-type leather OWB revolver holster?

[BehindBlueI's]

Veering off topic slightly, I can't imagine I could go wrong with a Milt Sparks OWB holster, but does anyone else have any suggestions for a field-type leather OWB revolver holster?

http://www.simplyrugged.com/

I've got pics of my Redhawk in a Cattleman on here somewhere if you search for it.

[tanner]

http://www.simplyrugged.com/

Nice stuff there, thanks!

[Sayoc01]

I I was looking for a 3"revolver handled a Kimber K6 3" & my looking came to an end! Took her to the range put rounds downrange & couldn't stop smiling! I edc the K6 quite a bit.My carry is a Stickie holster Appex carry.Carried to church (security team)no one noticed.I don't know if build would make a diff.I'm 5'11" 189 lb.waist is 34.Love this gun.Next I carried from 6am to 8pm NO PROBLEMS!
Jim