Looking for a Duty holster for a G19 with a Surefire XC1

[frankepc]

I’ve seen it somewhere I just can’t remember where, there is a custom kydex holster maker that uses the safariland retention system similar to the 6004 series for their custom holsters. For some reason at the moment it seems impossible to find a holster for a Glock 19 with the surefire XC-1. I won't use anything that has a spring-loaded hood that stuff is just no good for LEO work. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

[LittleLebowski]

Dara holster w/ hood (http://www.daraholsters.com/duty-holsters/) is all I can find for now.

[xmanhockey7]

If it's in a duty holster why not just use a U-boat?

[Casey]

The XC1 really fits in a narrow niche of concealed carry. I would strongly recommend a full-size light like the X300U for duty use. Much better throw, run-time, availability of a remote switch, etc.

[ffhounddog]

I would run a X300 or TLR-1 as a weapons light and use the xc-1 as a concealed carry light. This would allow you to get a Safariland 6280 or ALS model for your duty belt. Safariland is where it is at in my and my wifes opinion on duty holsters. You can find all sorts of Glock 19 and Glock 17 duty holsters on sale.

XC-1 was made specifically for concealed carry from my talks with surefire reps.

In the end a TLR-1 and Safariland might be cheaper than having a custom XC-1 holster.

[frankepc]

The current offerings from surefire outside of the XC-1 offer too much light for the purposes of CQB and pistol work. My handheld is 400 lumens and thats pushing the boundaries. I've used the APL and streamlight and both are lacking in ruggedness and reliability. I'm and LEO and work exclusively on the night shift. The current x300 is useless for pistol work, more lumens does not equal a better light.

[SLG]

The current offerings from surefire outside of the XC-1 offer too much light for the purposes of CQB and pistol work. My handheld is 400 lumens and thats pushing the boundaries. I've used the APL and streamlight and both are lacking in ruggedness and reliability. I'm and LEO and work exclusively on the night shift. The current x300 is useless for pistol work, more lumens does not equal a better light.

I use an X300 all the time and find it to work well. Mine is around 250L, I think, and I thought they were still pretty easily available. If you can't find one, and want one, let me know.

ets: might even be less than 250, not sure. 170? I'll have to check the box when get a chance.

[GJM]

Not sure if it helps, but on the TV show Quantico, they are using the Safariland 7TS holster.

[frankepc]

Not sure if it helps, but on the TV show Quantico, they are using the Safariland 7TS holster.
I don’t know what a TV show has to with this thread, but I currently run a 7TS with a ALS guard. From what the manufacturer told me they currently have no plans to make any holster that are compatible with the surefire XC-1.

[frankepc]

SLG if I can’t find what I’m looking for I’ll definitely shoot you a message. Let me clarify, the purpose of my little project is to train and work with a single gun without having to take accessories on and off. I want to be able to use a permanently set up gun for duty, HD, and concealed carry. At this time there are currently only a few options available as far as a truly compact WML is concerned, the options shrink considerably when looking for a quality duty rig for it.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Safariland 6360 0r 7360 for the G19 w/ TLR/X300. These holsters (at least the 6360) index off a peg in the muzzle instead of the light.....the weapon can be secured without the light, so if your light is a little small, it shouldn't be an issue.

You ought to be able to lay hands on one and try it out, if you've got any stocking police gear stores nearby.

[frankepc]

Safariland 6360 0r 7360 for the G19 w/ TLR/X300. These holsters (at least the 6360) index off a peg in the muzzle instead of the light.....the weapon can be secured without the light, so if your light is a little small, it shouldn't be an issue.

You ought to be able to lay hands on one and try it out, if you've got any stocking police gear stores nearby.

I'll check it out

[taadski]

I was going to recommend the 6360s also. As mentioned, they retain the pistol without the light. Should work as long as the light/accessory profile is smaller than the X300.


The current offerings from surefire outside of the XC-1 offer too much light for the purposes of CQB and pistol work. My handheld is 400 lumens and thats pushing the boundaries....The current x300 is useless for pistol work, more lumens does not equal a better light.



I'm curious about these comments. Care to expound?

[Up1911Fan]

G17/XC1 fits fine in a 7360 light compatable Safariland.

[GJM]

I don’t know what a TV show has to with this thread, but I currently run a 7TS with a ALS guard. From what the manufacturer told me they currently have no plans to make any holster that are compatible with the surefire XC-1.

I look to the show Quantico for all cutting edge shooting and lovin' stuff.

I called Bill Rogers, and here is the deal. The 7TS holster for the Glock/SF X300 will fit the XC1. They also have XC1 specific holsters underway for the Glock and M&P, due out end of Q1.

Other news, is they will have at SHOT a 575 holster, while is just like the GLS 578, but IWB. Angle is adjustable so it can be worn AIWB.

[Casey]

I'm curious about these comments. Care to expound?

I'm equally curious. I stayed a bit late at the range yesterday to use test out the XC1 during twilight conditions. It's really a 0-15 yard light. From 25 yards, it provides enough light to see my sights just fine, but target identification is difficult.

[orionz06]

I'm curious about these comments. Care to expound?

Same!


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[GJM]

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[GJM]

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[frankepc]

I’ve been working the night shift as an LEO for 6-7 years now and I’ve had multiple lights with 500-900 lumen range. For the purposes of searching in open fields and canals they work great but for indoor use and as a pistol light they offer too much light intensity. With anything over 400 lumens I usually end up blinding myself and others as well as killing my night vision. White walls, mirrors, and shiny/reflective surfaces are a bitch. The XC-1 works just fine for me past 25 yards on a pistol. Also when do you think you’ll ever find yourself in a situation where you need to illuminate past 25 yards to make a shot in any situation? Yes it’s true that many defensive situations both in conceal carry as well as officer involved, occur in low light, but that’s low light not no light. The new X300 is a great light but I would much rather put it on a long gun. Also the X300 and similar offering are huge, and although I’m sure tons of people can carry it concealed, I’d rather not.

By the way thanks for the info from Bill Rogers, I guess I’ll be waiting patiently until it comes out.

[taadski]

I’ve been working the night shift as an LEO for 6-7 years now and I’ve had multiple lights with 500-900 lumen range. For the purposes of searching in open fields and canals they work great but for indoor use and as a pistol light they offer too much light intensity. With anything over 400 lumens I usually end up blinding myself and others as well as killing my night vision. White walls, mirrors, and shiny/reflective surfaces are a bitch. The XC-1 works just fine for me past 25 yards on a pistol. Also when do you think you’ll ever find yourself in a situation where you need to illuminate past 25 yards to make a shot in any situation? Yes it’s true that many defensive situations both in conceal carry as well as officer involved, occur in low light, but that’s low light not no light. The new X300 is a great light but I would much rather put it on a long gun. Also the X300 and similar offering are huge, and although I’m sure tons of people can carry it concealed, I’d rather not.

By the way thanks for the info from Bill Rogers, I guess I’ll be waiting patiently until it comes out.


I don't have any personal experience with the XC-1. I suspect its a perfectly adequate WML for its given purpose. No dog there. My response was spurred specifically by your comment re the X300 series being "useless for pistol work", but it looks like you're backing away from that a bit with your above post.

While some might debate that "more lumens [in and of itself] does not make a better light", I think there's a bit of an old wive's tale factor going on there. I personally find the spill and throw associated with some of the more powerful lights, given good technique and execution, to be quite an advantage across the board; from tight quarter room to room work, to the more obvious extended uses. I typically don't have the luxury of swapping weapon lights around on the fly and I work in a jurisdiction where even some of the indoor environments can include significant distances (read schools, grocery stores, etc...). PID being as crucial a part of the game as it is, I much prefer to have the additional juice.

BTW, on a lighter note, in my experience, cops are some of the absolute WORST offenders when it comes to white light management. ;)



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[frankepc]

I’m in a similar boat in regards to certain situations requiring a high power light, but for those instances I prefer to have a high lumen flashlight in hand rather than on the actual pistol, just my personal preference. I can angle the light without interfering with the muzzle of the gun.
I had a X300 ultra on my glock 17 for a while but regardless how sound your technique and tactics are the spill and intensity of the light made it very difficult to clear small rooms, things become even more problematic when you have several officers searching together. Even when using good awareness and light discipline you end up blinding yourself and others.
To each his own, if you find it beneficial to have the ultra on your handgun all the power to you. By the way you are correct although I’m in the largest department in the South east cop culture is almost nonexistent, and other than a few of us that are former military most that enter the academy have never had anything resembling formal firearms training.

[jcemt]

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Which holster is this? The 7390-832-411? I want to get one for my G19 with a XC1 for my duty belt.

Thanks!

[Chuck Haggard]

I'm an "all the lumens" kind of guy (especially when it comes to handheld lights)

However, I'm also of the opinion that a pistol mounted light has very limited utility and is a niche bit o' kit.

If you are self blinding during an indoors search with a WML you are doing it wrong. If you are using a pistol mounted light as your primary search tool during an indoor search you are also doing it wrong.

That said, I think the light you are looking at is bright enough to do good work with.

[23JAZ]

Does anyone AIWB a Glock 19 with an XC1? Your thoughts and pictures would be greatly appreciated.

[SLG]

I have been using X whatevers and TLR's for years indoors with no issues whatsoever. I recently switched to an Inforce and that also works well. I even more recently switched to an 800 lumen TLR-2 HL G. It works better, for everything, for me. I'm working on a new holster concept to make it work better for concealed carry.

Light management is kinda like recoil management. It is a learned skill that takes time and practice, usually with good instruction to start you off.

When we have good 1000 lumen pistol light choices, I'll go to that. Then 1200...:-)

[23JAZ]

I have been using X whatevers and TLR's for years indoors with no issues whatsoever. I recently switched to an Inforce and that also works well. I even more recently switched to an 800 lumen TLR-2 HL G. It works better, for everything, for me. I'm working on a new holster concept to make it work better for concealed carry.

Light management is kinda like recoil management. It is a learned skill that takes time and practice, usually with good instruction to start you off.

When we have good 1000 lumen pistol light choices, I'll go to that. Then 1200...:-)
Can you activate constant on with the xc1 while shooting left handed?

[SLG]

Can you activate constant on with the xc1 while shooting left handed?

Easily. There are two options for that. The contour switch, which works like a DG switch but seems more rugged, or the rocker switch on the back plate.

I prefer the rocker switch across the board, but either is good. You just need to train on it and understand how to use it, for you.

[voodoo_man]

No direct experience with the xc1, wouldn't carry it for duty though.

Tlr1s was my goto and I'd carry with one again in a heart beat. Great little light. Cheap too.

The 7ts holster series is highly recommend. I am running one since they were released and I have Ezero complaints

[Olim9]

I'm an "all the lumens" kind of guy (especially when it comes to handheld lights)

I agree with this sentiment. People have this idea that if you go past a certain threshold like say 300 lumens, you're going to be blinding yourself if you point it at something like a white wall which is just not true. I used to believe this until I actually tried to blind myself by pointing it at white walls and around mirrors (reflections of a mirror in your peripheral view give you a visual clue as to where the mirror is). I learned that when practicing clearing a house, "accidentally" flashing yourself for a millisecond with a 500 lumen light at a mirror, your retinas don't catch on fire and make you curl into a ball. :)

It's in my opinion that you should try to get as much lumens as possible, which is why if I was LE, I would use the high lumen model of the TLR on my duty gun. I might even sell my X300 Ultra for one now that I think of it.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

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Please excuse the thread drift, but GJM what sights are those?

[taadski]

Heinie ledge, by the looks.

[Chipster]

Does anyone AIWB a Glock 19 with an XC1? Your thoughts and pictures would be greatly appreciated.

I do it with a G17 and an XC1. I run the JMCK AIWB w/soft loops. I've never had an issue with comfort or any issues at all related to the XC1 being mounted and holstered. PM me and I'll text or email you specific pics.

[Chipster]

Here's two pictures into a room. One with the XC1 the other with the X300A. I believe both lights have their merits, but if was back on the road in uniform, I'd holster up the X300.


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