Pentagon probes how civilian lived for months in Fort Bragg barracks

[HCM]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/06/pentagon-probes-how-civilian-lived-for-months-in-fort-bragg-barracks.html?intcmp=hpbt4

Pentagon probes how civilian lived for months in Fort Bragg barracks


Army officials are trying to figure out how a civilian managed to live for several months at Fort Bragg, eating and bunking with special forces operators despite not being a member of the military.

The unidentified man, who a source told FoxNews.com is mentally ill, was found out last month, and has been questioned. The source said the man told the real soldiers he lived among that he was a demolition specialist and exempt from the daily activities they took part in.

"This is a very unique and interesting situation," Thomas McCollum, the garrison public affairs officer for the North Carolina base told Military.com.


The Fayetteville Observer reported at the time that a 3rd SFG spokesman confirmed that the civilian had a fake Common Access Card and had been found living in temporary barracks. The unidentified man allegedly got away with the ruse for months by claiming he was attending a top-secret school on the base.

Umm.. wow. If this guy turns out not to be crazy, they should consider giving him a job .......

[Kevin B.]

This happens more often than you would think.

[Luke]

I wish I was dumb enough to try this. Go shoot and train with the worlds best then leave and go home when your tied of it? Yes please.

[BehindBlueI's]

I completely see how this could happen. I got medevac'd (training accident, nothing interesting) and was only wearing my nomex coveralls, as I was operating a mine clearing tank at the time. Once released from the real hospital and sent to a field hospital I was stuck inside because I didn't have a hat. I bummed a ride to Clothing & Sales and people had NO idea how to interact with me. I looked and acted like a soldier, was in a military uniform, but nothing they were familiar with. You can't sew anything on nomex because it can compromise the fire resistance, so I had no name tape, no rank, no flag, no US ARMY tape, nothing. I got saluted randomly (better to salute when you didn't have to than vice versa), I heard whispered comments about "sanitized uniform" and folks apparently assumed I was some secret squirrel. Then I bought a hat, a specialist rank tab, and was suddenly regular grunt again because people knew what I was. However not once did anyone confront me, nor even ask for ID.

This was pre-9/11, but I doubt the mindset has changed much.

[voodoo_man]

I completely see how this could happen. I got medevac'd (training accident, nothing interesting) and was only wearing my nomex coveralls, as I was operating a mine clearing tank at the time. Once released from the real hospital and sent to a field hospital I was stuck inside because I didn't have a hat. I bummed a ride to Clothing & Sales and people had NO idea how to interact with me. I looked and acted like a soldier, was in a military uniform, but nothing they were familiar with. You can't sew anything on nomex because it can compromise the fire resistance, so I had no name tape, no rank, no flag, no US ARMY tape, nothing. I got saluted randomly (better to salute when you didn't have to than vice versa), I heard whispered comments about "sanitized uniform" and folks apparently assumed I was some secret squirrel. Then I bought a hat, a specialist rank tab, and was suddenly regular grunt again because people knew what I was. However not once did anyone confront me, nor even ask for ID.

This was pre-9/11, but I doubt the mindset has changed much.

...so what you are saying is, buy the latest in sof field dress and walk around in mil bases for a while?

[Luke]

Depending on the outcome of this guy I'm down!

[BehindBlueI's]

...so what you are saying is, buy the latest in sof field dress and walk around in mil bases for a while?

Sure. If you're real dedicated get a few tattoos first. Word is there was a guy with a USMC tattoo who got a security contracting job for awhile...and had never been in the military.

[voodoo_man]

Sure. If you're real dedicated get a few tattoos first. Word is there was a guy with a USMC tattoo who got a security contracting job for awhile...and had never been in the military.

The internet told me i dont need to have mil experience to be a contractor.

[Peally]

I completely see how this could happen. I got medevac'd (training accident, nothing interesting) and was only wearing my nomex coveralls, as I was operating a mine clearing tank at the time. Once released from the real hospital and sent to a field hospital I was stuck inside because I didn't have a hat. I bummed a ride to Clothing & Sales and people had NO idea how to interact with me. I looked and acted like a soldier, was in a military uniform, but nothing they were familiar with. You can't sew anything on nomex because it can compromise the fire resistance, so I had no name tape, no rank, no flag, no US ARMY tape, nothing. I got saluted randomly (better to salute when you didn't have to than vice versa), I heard whispered comments about "sanitized uniform" and folks apparently assumed I was some secret squirrel. Then I bought a hat, a specialist rank tab, and was suddenly regular grunt again because people knew what I was. However not once did anyone confront me, nor even ask for ID.

This was pre-9/11, but I doubt the mindset has changed much.

You should have walked around putting your hand to your ear and nodding as if getting secret transmissions.

[okie john]

I wish I was dumb enough to try this. Go shoot and train with the worlds best then leave and go home when your tied of it? Yes please.

I'm not sure he was doing anything other than living in the barracks. When I was stationed at Ft bragg, slipping into a barracks or a chow line would have been pretty simple. Slipping into the line to the arms room, onto a live-fire range, or into any other training scenario would have been far more difficult.


Okie John

[BehindBlueI's]

The internet told me i dont need to have mil experience to be a contractor.

You don't, really, depending on the contract. My contract was a mix of .mil, LEO, and prison guards.

[Erik]

This happens more often than you would think.

Once is more often than I would think. Although upon reflection, it totally could have happened on my ship when I was in the Navy.

[Drang]

living in temporary barracks. The unidentified man allegedly got away with the ruse for months by claiming he was attending a top-secret school on the base.
The hardest part was probably getting a fake CAC, and getting into the transient barracks without orders.


I completely see how this could happen. I got medevac'd (training accident, nothing interesting) and was only wearing my nomex coveralls, as I was operating a mine clearing tank at the time. Once released from the real hospital and sent to a field hospital I was stuck inside because I didn't have a hat. I bummed a ride to Clothing & Sales and people had NO idea how to interact with me. I looked and acted like a soldier, was in a military uniform, but nothing they were familiar with. You can't sew anything on nomex because it can compromise the fire resistance, so I had no name tape, no rank, no flag, no US ARMY tape, nothing. I got saluted randomly (better to salute when you didn't have to than vice versa), I heard whispered comments about "sanitized uniform" and folks apparently assumed I was some secret squirrel. Then I bought a hat, a specialist rank tab, and was suddenly regular grunt again because people knew what I was. However not once did anyone confront me, nor even ask for ID.

This was pre-9/11, but I doubt the mindset has changed much.

No shit, there I was at Ft Huachuca for the Quickfix II course, brand new nomex, no patches yet, because the Army doesn't issue the frigging things...

[Tamara]

The internet told me i dont need to have mil experience to be a contractor.

As long as you've been a small-town police chief, .mil experience does not seem to be required.

[JR1572]

The internet told me i dont need to have mil experience to be a contractor.

I did it without mil exp. I was training the ANP.

JR1572

[GardoneVT]

The hardest part was probably getting a fake CAC, and getting into the transient barracks without orders.



No shit, there I was at Ft Huachuca for the Quickfix II course, brand new nomex, no patches yet, because the Army doesn't issue the frigging things...

At my tech school base, about five folks heading to Yokota AB had their orders cancelled after graduation and were re-routed to Grand Forks ,ND.

Scuttlebut has it one kid found out in the international departure lounge at LAX. I wonder how they got squared away in ND with no orders and no documents besides cancelled forms.

[Kyle Reese]

I did it without mil exp. I was training the ANP.

JR1572

I'm sorry.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[JR1572]

I'm sorry.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thanks.

JR1572

[Drang]

At my tech school base, about five folks heading to Yokota AB had their orders cancelled after graduation and were re-routed to Grand Forks ,ND.

Scuttlebut has it one kid found out in the international departure lounge at LAX. I wonder how they got squared away in ND with no orders and no documents besides cancelled forms.

In my day (SHADDUP!) there would have been endless sitting in an office while someone tried to find a new roll of thermal paper for the fax machine.*
I hear you kids have this thing called the Internet... :cool:


*Actually, things could be done over the phone pending paper orders, happened to me once, but that still requires positive ID of the individual concerned, and I don't see how that could be done here.

[okie john]

At the end of all of this, the Pentagon will find an E-6 with a room-temperature IQ.


Okie John

[voodoo_man]

At the end of all of this, the Pentagon will find an E-6 with a room-temperature IQ.


Okie John

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55276000.jpg

[NETim]

Documentary on this phenomenon from WWII:

5433

[johncorey]

So I chose not to comment on this back when it first broke because I didn't know what was legit and what was straight BS, but it appears the rumors were tamer than the truth. I'd love to know how many dudes racked up some 'non-local' GOMORs or worse over this. Epic failures of leadership along the entire ladder.

http://www.fayobserver.com/military/investigation-how-a-civilian-con-artist-moved-into-fort-bragg/article_239685cb-7000-5975-b29a-0ec8d8ec0936.html

[Stephanie B]

Once is more often than I would think. Although upon reflection, it totally could have happened on my ship when I was in the Navy.

The stories that can be told about Zulu-Five-Oscars!