The Numbers Are in: Black Lives Matter Is Wrong about Police

[voodoo_man]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429094/black-lives-matter-wrong-police-shootings

Discuss please

[GardoneVT]

If facts mattered to the social zeitgeist, BLM would only stand for a government agency.

[fixer]

According the Post, as of December 24, American police had fatally shot 965 people in 2015. (The Guardian, in the midst of its own study, reports a slightly higher number of shootings). 564 of those killed were armed with a gun, 281 were armed with another weapon, and 90 were unarmed. In fully three-quarters of shootings, “police were under attack or defending someone who was.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429094/black-lives-matter-wrong-police-shootings

I wonder what the unarmed 90 were doing to get shot. Maybe going after the officers pistol?

I like this:


Police follow crime, and they tend to operate in high-crime areas.




Even the “hugely disproportionate” ratio — “3 in 5” — of blacks and Hispanics shot to death after “exhibiting less threatening behavior” than brandishing a gun isn’t out of line with violent-crime rates.



Nor is it unexpected. Brandish any weapon cable of serious injury, with menace, you'll be shot equally as fast citizen or cop. People need to get over this whole "unarmed" thing, and fast.

[LSP552]

Logic and facts don't mean a thing when discussing the Black Lives Matter movement.

[gkieser92]

The article emphasizes the violent crime rate of different demographics but that is beside the point. The worst murderer in the nation is not going to be shot if he does not resist arrest, and a jaywalker could get shot if he attacks the ticketing officer with lethal force (see Micheal Brown). What I want to know is what demographics are more likely to resist arrest, controlling for socioeconomic status and other variables.

[JodyH]

Widespread LE bodycam use will be... enlightening.
We all know who resists more, will be interesting how the narrative is spun once there's video proof.

[voodoo_man]

Widespread LE bodycam use will be... enlightening.
We all know who resists more, will be interesting how the narrative is spun once there's video proof.

Everyone keeps wanting body cams...

I cant wait to create a website that features all body cam footage.

[pablo]

Widespread LE bodycam use will be... enlightening.
We all know who resists more, will be interesting how the narrative is spun once there's video proof.

There really going to like those body cams when cops lose what little discretion they have left and can't let the little stuff slide. If there's a place where the police flagrantly violate the rules, it's letting the little stuff go.

Since we got cameras, we are in the midst of a marijuana epidemic. Things are the same as they have always been, but with the eye of big brother upon us our hands are tied. Our general orders states that if we have PC to make a drug arrest we will make the arrest. I'm not going to falsify a police report to cut someone a break. Poor kids are the ones that are going are truly affected, because they can't afford the ridiculous fees associated with deferred probation.

[RoyGBiv]

Hard to believe WaPo published that story. Not the narrative they prefer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/12/26/a-year-of-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/

[voodoo_man]

There really going to like those body cams when cops lose what little discretion they have left and can't let the little stuff slide. If there's a place where the police flagrantly violate the rules, it's letting the little stuff go.

Since we got cameras, we are in the midst of a marijuana epidemic. Things are the same as they have always been, but with the eye of big brother upon us our hands are tied. Our general orders states that if we have PC to make a drug arrest we will make the arrest. I'm not going to falsify a police report to cut someone a break. Poor kids are the ones that are going are truly affected, because they can't afford the ridiculous fees associated with deferred probation.

Pretty much this.

Good bye discretion, hell youtube video of your kid getting arrested played at his future job interview.

[JodyH]

I love the people who say our cops should be more like European cops.

Wouldn't it be awesome to do an exchange program and let the German Polizei do some patrolling of a few major cities streets with German ROE?
"Ask, Tell, Make" translated into German is "Ask (with a smile), Beat the shit out of (with a smile), Jail (with a smile)".
Many a smartass American soldier has had a knot slapped onto his head by not immediately doing what a Polizei politely requested them to do.

[LSP552]

I love the people who say our cops should be more like European cops.

Wouldn't it be awesome to do an exchange program and let the German Polizei do some patrolling of a few major cities streets with German ROE?
"Ask, Tell, Make" translated into German is "Ask (with a smile), Beat the shit out of (with a smile), Jail (with a smile)".
Many a smartass American soldier has had a knot slapped onto his head by not immediately doing what a Polizei politely requested them to do.

Yep. I was an Army MP stationed in Germany in 76-77. They don't play silly games. The general public attitude was if Polizei kicked your ass, you obviously did something to deserve it. Wonder if that has changed any?

[JodyH]

Yep. I was an Army MP stationed in Germany in 76-77. They don't play silly games. The general public attitude was if Polizei kicked your ass, you obviously did something to deserve it. Wonder if that has changed any?
According to a young man at our gym just recently returned from Germany... nothing has changed.
The Polizei are still very generous in their use of the side-handle baton.

[voodoo_man]

I love the people who say our cops should be more like European cops.

Wouldn't it be awesome to do an exchange program and let the German Polizei do some patrolling of a few major cities streets with German ROE?
"Ask, Tell, Make" translated into German is "Ask (with a smile), Beat the shit out of (with a smile), Jail (with a smile)".
Many a smartass American soldier has had a knot slapped onto his head by not immediately doing what a Polizei politely requested them to do.

Why not make it all the EU countries?

The UK cops will talk nice to you but put a whoopin on you via baton faster than you can blink.

The French cops you won't are cops because they all dress like MIL or are UC, and just attack you randomly after they observe you doing something against the law - they Make/tell/never ask.

The German cops point smile and hit.

The Russian cops...well...do we really need to talk about how Russian cops handle business?

Only really passive policing is Japan...

[fixer]

Everyone keeps wanting body cams...

I cant wait to create a website that features all body cam footage.

DOOOOD!

World Star Police Cams!

[voodoo_man]

DOOOOD!

World Star Police Cams!

Would be something, right?

[John Hearne]

I found this nugget in the Washington Post article:

"More-restrictive pursuit policies are no panacea, however. Although many experts support the change, a review by George Mason University criminologist Cynthia Lum of 33 studies of pursuit policies concluded that tightening the rules led to fewer police injuries — but also more crime."

The fact doesn't surprise me. The fact that it saw the light of day does.

[voodoo_man]

NYPost posted this article....which is amazing given its obvious left winged hate of the nypd and all LE




The myth of the cop killing ‘epidemic’
By Michael Walsh January 2, 2016
Modal Trigger The myth of the cop killing ‘epidemic’

To hear the media tell it, America is in the grip of an unprecedented crime wave, an orgy of wanton murder in which heavily armed thugs randomly gun down innocent unarmed people, some of them teens, just for sport.

Except that these homicidal goons are wearing the blues and badges of American police departments.

It’s the narrative that’s given rise to the protest movement Black Lives Matter and to a growing public mistrust of the police in general. From Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., to the recent shooting of a middle-aged woman and a teen in Chicago, the body count seemingly keeps rising, exacerbating racial tensions and keeping the nation on edge. And each incident is breathlessly reported by a media determined to show that America remains deeply, irredeemably racist.

Problem is, it’s simply not true.

Last week, The Washington Post published a study of the police shootings that took place in 2015. Likely they intended the story to be shocking — as on Dec. 24, 965 people were killed by police! Instead, the report quells the notion that trigger-happy cops are out hunting for civilian victims, especially African-Americans. Among its key findings:

White cops shooting unarmed black men accounted for less than 4% of fatal police shootings.
In three-quarters of the incidents, cops were either under attack themselves or defending civilians. In other words, doing their jobs.
The majority of those killed were brandishing weapons, suicidal or mentally troubled or bolted when ordered to surrender.
Nearly a third of police shootings resulted from car chases that began with a minor traffic stop.
The moral of this story is: Don’t point a gun at the cops and don’t run when they tell you stop, and you’re likely to survive. Since the population of the US is about 318 million people, a thousand deaths at the hands of police works out to 1 in 318,000. You have a better chance of being killed in a violent storm (1 in 68,000) or slipping in the tub (1 in 11,500) than being shot by a cop, no matter what color you are.

But even these figures are deceptive. On those 965 killed, only 90 were unarmed, and the majority of those were white. (And that doesn’t take into account other extenuating circumstances besides a weapon that would have caused a police officer to fire).

Still, the “killer cop” narrative refuses to die, and The Washington Post decided to throw fuel on the racial fire with context-free statements like these: “Although black men make up only 6% of the US population, they account for 40% of the unarmed men shot to death by police this year.”

This ignores the fact that black violent-crime rates are far higher than those of whites. According to the Department of Justice, blacks committed 52.5% of the murders in America from 1980-2008, when they represented 12.6% of the population.

This certainly does not excuse cases of police misconduct. Bad cops should be investigated and tried. The death of Walter Scott in South Carolina last spring — shot in the back while fleeing a white police officer after a routine traffic stop — resulted in the indictment of the cop, who is now awaiting trial. And the killing of Quintonio LeGrier and Bettie Jones in Chicago on Dec. 26, after the troubled LeGrier allegedly became “combative” with officers, cries out for further investigation.

But these incidents don’t prove that the “real problem” is cops. This isn’t an “epidemic.” And it isn’t racist to suggest that some perspective is warranted here.

Yet, encouraged by liberal politicians, the rhetoric of protesters has become more heated, poisoning relations between local police and the folks they serve. Most tragically, it’s resulted in the murders of police officers, such as NYPD officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, killed in a Brooklyn ambush just over a year ago.

Against the numbers cited by The Washington Post, what about this one: The worst neighborhoods in Chicago — say, West Garfield Park, where gangs run rampant — have a higher murder rate (116.7 per 100,000) than world murder capitals like Honduras (90.4).

But no, best not to mention. That only distracts from the real problem — the cops trying to stop it.

[Totem Polar]

The fact that BLM was wrong is news? Not to anyone who bothered to google up and scan the Ferguson GJ docs released to the public.

But, hey, now we have a study. Good on the post.