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iakdrago
10-02-2011, 03:11 PM
My range partner brought a new toy to the range the other day--a sub2000 9mm pistol carbine. The thing was a blast to shoot, ate up all the ammo that i threw at it, and accepted my glock magazines. I now have the itch--does anyone have a cure?

Kyle Reese
10-02-2011, 03:14 PM
My range partner brought a new toy to the range the other day--a sub2000 9mm pistol carbine. The thing was a blast to shoot, ate up all the ammo that i threw at it, and accepted my glock magazines. I now have the itch--does anyone have a cure?

I just got done selling my Colt 6450 9mm carbine. :D

If you want a 9mm carbine, go for it. I quickly found my Colt to be of limited use for practical apps, and sold it.

TNWNGR
10-02-2011, 03:41 PM
W/O doubt the K-T Sub 2K is one of the more interesting and affordable of its stable mates out of FL and certainly folds into an even smaller package. Still, though the Hi-Point Arms 9mm Carbine has all the charm and beauty of a bad hangover I’d as soon spend my money on it instead. No, I don’t own any of the Hi-Point pistols and no I’m not terribly interested in owning one either, but the carbines, like the pistol’s work.
If a reliable and affordable higher capacity magazine were available for this carbine it would become a very practical home defense weapon. In the end something like the KT Sub 2K and HPA Carbine are fun guns with some cross over defensive capability so go with what’s affordable and fun. Now, if I could swing the money for the KT shotgun and .308 bullpup…
:D

WDW
10-02-2011, 05:16 PM
It's a Kel-Tec so if you want it for anything other than palying on the range, I would say no way.

will_1400
10-02-2011, 05:29 PM
W/O doubt the K-T Sub 2K is one of the more interesting and affordable of its stable mates out of FL and certainly folds into an even smaller package. Still, though the Hi-Point Arms 9mm Carbine has all the charm and beauty of a bad hangover I’d as soon spend my money on it instead. No, I don’t own any of the Hi-Point pistols and no I’m not terribly interested in owning one either, but the carbines, like the pistol’s work.
If a reliable and affordable higher capacity magazine were available for this carbine it would become a very practical home defense weapon. In the end something like the KT Sub 2K and HPA Carbine are fun guns with some cross over defensive capability so go with what’s affordable and fun. Now, if I could swing the money for the KT shotgun and .308 bullpup…
:D

Dude what? What about Hi Points "work"? Call me a snob if you wish, but a gun that uses zamak 3 for high-stress components (the slide takes a beating from being a direct blowback mechanism, IIRC) and has literally no QC (as evidenced by the absurdly low price they go for and the main selling point being its warrenty) is a very poor choice for just about anything. I don't get to the range as often as some here, but every time I see a Hi Point it flat-out refuses to feed, eject, etc, and one very memorable kB!! that literally split the slide in two and sent the front half of it down range at a rapid rate and peppered its owner with shrapnel.

iakdrago
10-02-2011, 06:31 PM
...but it would be a lot easier for my gf to shoot, and cheaper than another pistol
...but it's reliable despite being a kel-tec--from what i hear about it (will have to test it out--2000 round challenge might be in order)
...but i can use all my magazines
...but i won't have to store another caliber
...but it's only $300 ***me lying to myself--ill end up getting it threaded for some suppressor fun :)

...somebody please stop me

jetfire
10-02-2011, 07:19 PM
I saw a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in .40 S&W blow right the hell up in fairly dramatic fashion due to an out of battery detonation. Pass.

Nephrology
10-02-2011, 07:27 PM
my redneck buddy got one and the front sight windage adjustment drum literally fell off in the first couple minutes, now he's stuck with a FSP that cannot be moved. it shreds cases and i have seen his jam at least once per range trip. YMMV but i'd as son spend the 300 dollars on ammo to something I already have...

gringop
10-03-2011, 09:30 AM
I've got a Sub 2K in the 9mm g17 mag version. Is it a great quality fighting gun that is my first choice to grab when hell comes to breakfast? No, it's a $300 folding 16" gun that I can take camping, kayaking, or whatever.

Pros.
It folds up to 16 inches.
It can run my G17 mags or Glock 33 rounders. You can, with suitable fasteners, attach a 33 rounder to the bottom of forestock and fold the gun. Now you have 17 rounds in the gun and 33 rounds spare in a nice tight package.
With good mags the gun runs fine.

Cons.
The sights pretty much suck. Goofy rear aperture and fat red plastic front.
The gun is light and half of the weight is in the bolt and carrier. So there is a lot of movement on each shot.
Me being a lefty and the gun being a blow back with right ejection, I get gas and particles on my cheek when shooting. I use my Chuck Norris beard for protection.
The trigger is plastic and mushy. It's a $300 gun.

My accuracy with this gun is about 4" at 50 yards. The trigger and sights don't make it easy to be a tack driver.

I use this gun in local carbine matches because I can reload 9 a lot cheaper than 223. I infrequently win the iron (plastic) sight division. I also take it on trips because it's so handy. IMHO, it's well worth $300.

Gringop

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/gringop/IMGA0356a.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee238/gringop/IMGA0357a.jpg

TNWNGR
10-03-2011, 09:40 AM
Now that’s chutzpa if I ever saw it!

ToddG
10-03-2011, 09:54 AM
Moved to Long Gun area

Tamara
10-03-2011, 10:23 AM
When these debuted, I thought "Wow, if these work, they'd be the berries for motorcycle cops who are issued Glocks!" (Talk about your niche market...)

Of course, Kel-Tec being Kel-Tec, they don't work all that well. I mean, don't get me wrong, they're probably the most reliable guns Kel-Tec makes right out of the box, but that's definitely being the tallest midget at the State Fair...

Baldanders
01-01-2019, 09:07 PM
Necroing this since I have something to add.

Since dad gave me an "extended loan" on his sub 2000, I have become fairly fond of it.

Downsides: - terrible sights. Friends of mine with better eyes than mine can do accurate work with them, but not me.
- difficult to get a good cheek wield on
- moves all over the place during firing

Upsides: -100% failure free function
-Glock mags, of course

I ripped off the factory sights and put on a 1989 red dot. This has turned it into the first gun I can actually shoot accurately with both eyes open. My dad put a sleeve on the gun that makes a decent cheek wield much easier, but I'd like to find something more substantial. It's now one of my "go to" home guns, along with the rest of my infamous "ghetto gun" collection. I guess now is as good a time as any to repost some pics once limited to paying members' eyes....3378933790

I am considering some mods to reduce the recoil/"shimmy" of the gun-- a heavier bolt and/or charging handle, a buffer pad for the bolt, and perhaps a muzzle brake? But I feel like mods may hit the wall of diminishing returns fast. Maybe I should leave perfectly adequate alone, and save up for a Storm or 9mm AR. My only real issue is that my rate of accurate fire seems way lower than it should be with a 9mm carbine, but it is fine for defensive use.

If you're going to try to convince me Kel-Tec is always shit, it's an uphill battle, my EDC is a p32.

The second pic is the gun as I got it from my dad....too bad that modern red dot was a POS. I sacrificed folding for better sights. I wish Kel-Tec woukd make a non-folding version with shorter overall length. I ditched the butt pad my dad had on as well because I find the LOP pretty long without it.

Tamara
01-02-2019, 08:38 PM
...my EDC is a p32.

Probably the best thing they ever made.

I really wish Ruger had ripped it off, instead of the P3AT, but good luck convincing people that you're just as well off shooting someone with 7.65 ball as you are with 9mm Corto FMJ.

Joe in PNG
01-02-2019, 08:45 PM
Took a look at one that used 92 mags a couple of years ago, and was thiiiiissss close to buying it- and I noticed the front grip was split right up the front seam.
Went with a Skorpion instead.

Screwball
01-02-2019, 08:51 PM
I like my SUB-2000... but MCarbo parts turned in from an airsoft/BB gun into an actual firearm.

Honestly, mostly all of their upgrades takes the SUB-2000 from cheap to somewhat quality. Sights too low, higher rear sight. Cheek-wield bothers you, tube cover (actually bought another company’s). Did all the trigger stuff, which is amazing compared from stock. Recoil impulse... which is more due to .40s using identical setup as a 9mm... I’ve picked up parts from there, other companies, and even Kel-Tec (brass bolt).

The only thing I haven’t put on mine is my SIG Romeo 5... as I’m waiting on their mount to be released. Then when I get to Maine, I’ll try out some 25 round ProMags. If they work, I’ll have the bodies plates to match my others (CCR’s CPII).

Baldanders
01-02-2019, 09:35 PM
I like my SUB-2000... but MCarbo parts turned in from an airsoft/BB gun into an actual firearm.

Honestly, mostly all of their upgrades takes the SUB-2000 from cheap to somewhat quality. Sights too low, higher rear sight. Cheek-wield bothers you, tube cover (actually bought another company’s). Did all the trigger stuff, which is amazing compared from stock. Recoil impulse... which is more due to .40s using identical setup as a 9mm... I’ve picked up parts from there, other companies, and even Kel-Tec (brass bolt).

The only thing I haven’t put on mine is my SIG Romeo 5... as I’m waiting on their mount to be released. Then when I get to Maine, I’ll try out some 25 round ProMags. If they work, I’ll have the bodies plates to match my others (CCR’s CPII).

Budget has prevented any gun spending lately, but I have been looking at MCarbo. Glad to hear that you can really feel the difference after the mods. Which tube cover did you go with? Have you put a recoil buffer in?

Screwball
01-02-2019, 09:45 PM
Budget has prevented any gun spending lately, but I have been looking at MCarbo. Glad to hear that you can really feel the difference after the mods. Which tube cover did you go with? Have you put a recoil buffer in?

Wait for a holiday sale... likely Presidents Day. You get good coupons through them.

I got the Tacticool cover. Was the only one available when I got one.

I do run their buffer, which does help. I also have the heavy brass bolt and Sumo charging handle. All together, it does a lot of justice for the .40 guns.

Baldanders
01-02-2019, 09:45 PM
Probably the best thing they ever made.

I really wish Ruger had ripped it off, instead of the P3AT, but good luck convincing people that you're just as well off shooting someone with 7.65 ball as you are with 9mm Corto FMJ.

Me too.

Of course 7.65 haters are just fighting evil, Tam.

If .45acp is capitalism, Jesus, democracy, manliness, man-stopping, and the heavenly light, .32acp is socialism, Satan, communism, totally ineffective, Joel Gray in "Cabaret," and outer darkness. Would anyone but commies make a .32acp subgun?

Which is why it's fine for this demimale schoolteacher.

Baldanders
01-02-2019, 09:53 PM
Wait for a holiday sale... likely Presidents Day. You get good coupons through them.

I got the Tacticool cover. Was the only one available when I got one.

I do run their buffer, which does help. I also have the heavy brass bolt and Sumo charging handle. All together, it does a lot of justice for the .40 guns.

Thanks for the instantaneous reply! I was wondering if boosting weight to both bolt and handle would still run OK. I will give it a shot in 9mm, hopefully it will still function flawlessly.

Joe in PNG
01-02-2019, 10:05 PM
Me too.

Of course 7.65 haters are just fighting evil, Tam.

If .45acp is capitalism, Jesus, democracy, manliness, man-stopping, and the heavenly light, .32acp is socialism, Satan, communism, totally ineffective, Joel Gray in "Cabaret," and outer darkness. Would anyone but commies make a .32acp subgun?

Which is why it's fine for this demimale schoolteacher.

You do know that the .32 Automatic Colt Pistol was developed by the hand of John Moses Browning Himself, as were the first .32 pistols.

You heretic.

Duelist
01-03-2019, 02:06 AM
You do know that the .32 Automatic Colt Pistol was developed by the hand of John Moses Browning Himself, as were the first .32 pistols.

You heretic.

But it's semi-rimmed, so obviously the design got corrupted before it was released. (Owns a P32 as well)

Baldanders
01-03-2019, 06:54 AM
You do know that the .32 Automatic Colt Pistol was developed by the hand of John Moses Browning Himself, as were the first .32 pistols.

You heretic.

I believe JMB actually carried a .32. When I'm "defending" the .32, I say "if it was good enough for JMB, it's good enough for me."

03RN
01-10-2019, 09:08 PM
My wife has a blue gen2 model. She got it because she had shot a few from members when she was RSOING. She liked shooting them, and then saw their was a blue one...

Anyways. They're fun to shoot and she hasn't had any issues with it.

BillSWPA
01-11-2019, 10:39 AM
Probably the best thing they ever made.

I really wish Ruger had ripped it off, instead of the P3AT, but good luck convincing people that you're just as well off shooting someone with 7.65 ball as you are with 9mm Corto FMJ.

There is no protected intellectual property in the Kel-Tec design to the best of my knowledge. Thus, even though Ruger copied the design, they did not rip off the design.

I really like a tilt barrel .32 for the recoil sensitive, and when the subject is true pocket pistols, that group starts to encompass some able-bodied individuals.

However, if a .380 will work, I will take 50% more mass at about the same velocity in a rimless design.



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