Glock 19 size single stack?

[MGW]

Is there a single stack out there that is close to the size of a Glock 19 but still thinner and lighter than a 19? Something still reliable enough to be an EDC. I can't think of anything other than perhaps a Kahr P9.

[ReverendMeat]

Walther PPS is fairly close.

[pangloss]

G43 with a +2 mag base plate?

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[rcbusmc24]

Hk p7 series.... heavy, but extremely reliable and accurate . Holster options are limited other than custom.

New Sig p225 might be an option as well if price is no object and you dont mind DA/SA ( or prefer it!)

[JR1572]

G43 with a +2 mag base plate?

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My thoughts exactly.

JR1572

[guymontag]

Walther PPS with 'mid-sized' base plate extension will give you the height, however it will be about 3/4 inch shorter in the slide.

[Irelander]

What about the Sig P225?

[GJM]

Sig P239

[LSP552]

Sig P239

^ This

[Father of 3]

Others mentioned are great but only get to G19 grip length with extended mags. For a full grip without pinky extensions or extended mags try:

Bersa BP9CC
Walther CCP

[MGW]

Others mentioned are great but only get to G19 grip length with extended mags. For a full grip without pinky extensions or extended mags try:

Bersa BP9CC
Walther CCP

From what I've seen neither of these are proving to be very reliable. I could be wrong though.

[MGW]

Sig P239

The 239 has always been a pistol that was interesting to me. I've never handled one at all however. How much thinner is it than a 19?

[MGW]

Walther PPS is fairly close.

Your not the first person that has mentioned the PPS as being close. I might need to take another look at it. It seemed a lot smaller to me when I shot one.

[MGW]

What about the Sig P225?

I assumed it was actually heavier than 19?

[LSP552]

I assumed it was actually heavier than 19?

I don't have a scale handy but fully loaded I don't think there is much difference. For me personally, the 239 carries better and is easier to hide IWB/OWB due to the 19's square slide shape.

[LSP552]

The 239 has always been a pistol that was interesting to me. I've never handled one at all however. How much thinner is it than a 19?

The grip is a LOT thinner, the slide not so much. Carried IWB, the 239 disappears.

[GJM]

The 239 shoots like a full size service pistol, but with fewer rounds on board and a smaller size form.

[camsdaddy]

S&W 3913 or maybe a shield with the 8 rd mag.

[Cool Breeze]

The 239 has always been a pistol that was interesting to me. I've never handled one at all however. How much thinner is it than a 19?

The last time a I remember seeing a 239 - it looked thicker than a G19 to me but I wasn't comparing them side by side. It is a lot heavier too.

[lee n. field]

Is there a single stack out there that is close to the size of a Glock 19 but still thinner and lighter than a 19? Something still reliable enough to be an EDC. I can't think of anything other than perhaps a Kahr P9.

XDS with the extended magazine.

Lighter? No, not really. All the XD guns tend to be heavy, XDS included.

[MGW]

I watched a retired police officer trade off a 239 at a gun show once. The pistol had a little holster wear but looked really good. My brain didn't work fast enough to stop him and offer cash for it. He walked away with a brand spanking new...LCR.

I wanted to puke.

[Mitch]

I watched a retired police officer trade off a 239 at a gun show once. The pistol had a little holster wear but looked really good. My brain didn't work fast enough to stop him and offer cash for it. He walked away with a brand spanking new...LCR.

I wanted to puke.

Ugh that hurts to even read.

[JAD]

Dan Wesson or comparable CCO.

[olstyn]

Your not the first person that has mentioned the PPS as being close. I might need to take another look at it. It seemed a lot smaller to me when I shot one.

Well, it's significantly thinner, and about an inch less long. Height/grip length is variable depending on which magazine you choose. I imagine it would feel considerably smaller due to those factors.

[PD Sgt.]

Used Smith 3913?

[LOKNLOD]

Your not the first person that has mentioned the PPS as being close. I might need to take another look at it. It seemed a lot smaller to me when I shot one.

It feels smaller, but if you lay them on top of each other, it's surprisingly close. I think this contributes to the shootability of the PPS, it's more compact than subcompact.

[MGW]

It's 3 hours away but an in state dealer keeps listing PPS's at $379. That's almost cheap enough to make a drive.

[Nephrology]

my Shield with the 8rd magazine + baseplate makes for a pretty good single stack Glock 19. No thumb safety, trigger very similar to the Glock, 8+1 capacity in a slim package... I am pretty happy with it.

[breakingtime91]

my Shield with the 8rd magazine + baseplate makes for a pretty good single stack Glock 19. No thumb safety, trigger very similar to the Glock, 8+1 capacity in a slim package... I am pretty happy with it.

opps, read something wrong

[Nephrology]

with the impromptu striker blocker, sure sounds like a winner.

impropmtu striker blocker?

[breakingtime91]

opps, read something wrong

[Nephrology]

lol you can block the trigger movement with your thumb, kinda like the gadget.

...how? I don't see anything protruding from the rear of the slide...

[breakingtime91]

...how? I don't see anything protruding from the rear of the slide...
oh wow I am an idiot. thought you were talking about pps. sorry brother

[Nephrology]

oh wow I am an idiot. thought you were talking about pps. sorry brother

Haha no worries.

[1911Nut]

As long as capacity is not an issue, I would recommend the Springfield EMP. Thinner and more compact that the G19.

When a Gen 3 G19 is loaded with 15 +1 rounds of 124 gr. JHP ammo, it weighs exactly the same as a Springfield EMP loaded with 10 + 1 of the identical ammo.(30.8 oz.)

[runcible]

The "Single Stack G19" idea has been one of those things floating around for quite some time, that has yet to be actualized. For handsize-concerns and being concealable in a broader range of wear, it's a rather attractive idea to me. Having a longer dustcover and slide would give the support hand more standoff from the muzzle, more material to grip onto during firing, and provide greater stability to the weapon when carried AIWB then a shorter arrangement would provide for. A lightrail would be more viable with an extended dustcover, as well.

That Honor Guard that went public recently has some larger versions that look pretty close, but it's a brand of unknown provenance so off the table for me.

Metal\hammer-fired systems are too far a deviation from the G19 template, as I perceive things. The P239's build and reliability issues relative to the larger Sig Classics detract from the fact that you have a very heavy trigger, very heavy weapon, that is also very large relative to its' underwhelming capacity; when considered holistically.

If I was to try to build a SSG19, I'd use either the M&P Shield, the Walther PPS, or the G43 as the base. While the G43's the newest of those, it also may have the broadest audience, and the largest future parts pool. A G43 with an extended barrel (now up to 3-7/8" relative to the G19's... 4"?), TLR-6 (vs. X300U), extended magazines (+2 capacity), and with the option of a muzzle device for additional length; that's about how I'd imagine such.

[momano]

Right before the G43 was officially announced there were rumors of a 10 round single stack 9mm magazine in catalog somewhere- if I remember correctly. A G43 with 10 rounds would be ideal for me.

[Jared]

I think the S&W 3906 would probably be pretty close. 4" barrel, 9 round capacity. They didn't make very many of them though...

[MGW]

I looked at a PPS again today. With the 7 round magazine it's really close to the size of the 19. Over all height is almost the same and over all length is about 1/2" shorter.

Local shop was over priced compared to what I've been seeing elsewhere. He looked them up for me and said he could order one for me. It would be around $430 out the door. Seems like a great deal to me. The trigger needs some break in and it needs sights eventually.

I've put close to 1,000 rounds through a Shield and never could figure out how to shoot it well. The 43 isn't bad but just a little to small to get reliably get a good grip on out of a holster for me.

I think the PPS is going to get ordered tomorrow.

[Beat Trash]

There are very few guns that I have sold and regretted selling. But my PPS 9mm is one of them.

[breakingtime91]

how heavy is the trigger on the pps?

[olstyn]

how heavy is the trigger on the pps?

Walther website (http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/pps/) says 6.1 pounds.

[OnionsAndDragons]

how heavy is the trigger on the pps?

I don't have a trigger scale, but it is a smidge heavier than a stock G3 G19.

500rds and some dry fire breaks it in very nicely, though.


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[MGW]

I'm digging up my own thread here. I'm wondering if anyone has any long term experience with the Kahr P9? I know the PM9 is pretty popular but it's a little to small for what I'm wanting. Also is the CW9 the same size as the P9.

I can't seem to get my hands on either pistol. Planning a trip to Gander Mountain soon. I seem to remember them being a Kahr dealer.


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[Beat Trash]

Only a bit of shooting experience with the P9, but I had a PM 9 for about 8 years. Carried a bit, but shot it seldom. It has a lot of quirks, not the least of which is the tendency for the magazines to start popping bullets out when the spare magazine is in your pocket.

If you are looking for a single stack its a similar size to a Glock 19, then I would suggest looking at the new Walther PPS M2 or even a S&W Shield. install the 7 or 8 rd magazine in the PPS M2 or the 8 rd magazine in the Shield and you are close to the height of the Glock 19.

I'm currently sitting on three M&P Shields. All are 100% functional. But I can see one or two of them going down the road and being replaced with a Walther PPS M2 in the near future.

[Irelander]

Its heavier and more expensive but I have heard great things about the Kahr K9. I'm not really a fan of the plastic Kahrs but I do like the size and feel of the P9.

[taadski]

There are a number of guys on my shift that carry either PM9s or P9s as back ups. There exist some reports of some reliability issues with some examples of these pistols around and about the interweb. However, of the 8 or 10 of them I've seen regularly on our line over the years, I've not seen any problems. There are also a few guys that carry and shoot them regularly at our local IDPA club and those couple run well too. Seems like the take away is finding one that runs, as once they're vetted, they seem to continue to do so.

I've personally only put three or four hundred rounds through the PM9/P9 pistols but they've been both very accurate and reliable in my experience. I've thought pretty seriously about buying one to carry as a BUG in place of my 239 at times. Lighter thinner package and all. I was just fingering one of each in a local shop this week actually.

The thing that really sets them apart from some of the other striker pistols in their class is the DAO length of pull. It's akin to a short DA revolver stroke. And while It personally doesn't bother me, it is in contrast to the shorter reset triggers on the likes of the G42/43s, the Shields and the PPSs for example. FWIW.

My significant other, having spent a lot of time shooting my J and K frame revolvers, really likes the size, trigger and ergos of the P9s. I could see her winding up with one as a carry semi at some point.


t

[okie john]

The "Single Stack G19" idea has been one of those things floating around for quite some time, that has yet to be actualized. For handsize-concerns and being concealable in a broader range of wear, it's a rather attractive idea to me. Having a longer dustcover and slide would give the support hand more standoff from the muzzle, more material to grip onto during firing, and provide greater stability to the weapon when carried AIWB then a shorter arrangement would provide for. A lightrail would be more viable with an extended dustcover, as well.

That Honor Guard that went public recently has some larger versions that look pretty close, but it's a brand of unknown provenance so off the table for me.

Metal\hammer-fired systems are too far a deviation from the G19 template, as I perceive things. The P239's build and reliability issues relative to the larger Sig Classics detract from the fact that you have a very heavy trigger, very heavy weapon, that is also very large relative to its' underwhelming capacity; when considered holistically.

If I was to try to build a SSG19, I'd use either the M&P Shield, the Walther PPS, or the G43 as the base. While the G43's the newest of those, it also may have the broadest audience, and the largest future parts pool. A G43 with an extended barrel (now up to 3-7/8" relative to the G19's... 4"?), TLR-6 (vs. X300U), extended magazines (+2 capacity), and with the option of a muzzle device for additional length; that's about how I'd imagine such.

I have a G43 and carry it quite a bit. My only beef with it is that the grip is so short that it really slows down mag changes. If the grip were as long as a G19 grip then I don't think that would affect my ability to conceal it and I'd be on it like white on rice. It would NOT have to be long enough to hold 10 rounds, but if Glock could manage that, I certainly wouldn't turn it down. A 4" barrel would be icing on the cake.


Okie John

[Irelander]

Look no further than the Avidity Arms PD10 (http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2016/01/18/avidity-arms-pd10/). But seriously, it does look like a nicely sized single stack. Maybe in 5 years we can see how it has worked out.

[MGW]

There are a number of guys on my shift that carry either PM9s or P9s as back ups. There exist some reports of some reliability issues with some examples of these pistols around and about the interweb. However, of the 8 or 10 of them I've seen regularly on our line over the years, I've not seen any problems. There are also a few guys that carry and shoot them regularly at our local IDPA club and those couple run well too. Seems like the take away is finding one that runs, as once they're vetted, they seem to continue to do so.

I've personally only put three or four hundred rounds through the PM9/P9 pistols but they've been both very accurate and reliable in my experience. I've thought pretty seriously about buying one to carry as a BUG in place of my 239 at times. Lighter thinner package and all. I was just fingering one of each in a local shop this week actually.

The thing that really sets them apart from some of the other striker pistols in their class is the DAO length of pull. It's akin to a short DA revolver stroke. And while It personally doesn't bother me, it is in contrast to the shorter reset triggers on the likes of the G42/43s, the Shields and the PPSs for example. FWIW.

My significant other, having spent a lot of time shooting my J and K frame revolvers, really likes the size, trigger and ergos of the P9s. I could see her winding up with one as a carry semi at some point.


t

Thank you for your input. I have very little experience with a Kahr. First experience with them and I didn't like the trigger at all. I'm spending more and more time with a j frame and have grown to really like a double action trigger.

I would be okay with a standard striker fired trigger in a single stack but haven't found the right one yet. The first gen PPS was really good at pinching my hand on reloads. I really struggle with a Shield. I think it's because of how rounded the back strap is. I can't seem to keep it from squirming in my hand. The XDS has come the closest but I don't completely trust that I will depress the grip safety under stress. I even put several rounds of ammo through a both a P290 (grip to short) and a 938.

I don't really know of anything else that might fit what I looking for.

Reliable
No safety
Long enough grip to not pinch my hand on reloads
1" or less thick
9mm
Sight and holster options

The Shield should be it. I could probably figure it out if given enough time and ammo. If the Kahr or something else would fit me better though I'm all about trying it out.



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[LSP972]

The Kahr P9 is what you're looking for, in terms of your size parameters. However, as noted, you roll the dice when buying one. They aren't kidding about that 200 round break-in period… and a wise man will stretch that to 500 before trusting one.

I had a PM9, and was satisfied with its reliability and accuracy. I just couldn't figure out what to DO with it, as it is really a pocket piece and I am wedded to J frames for that function. I also spent a lot of time with a pal's P9, back when I was looking at EVERYTHING in a futile search for a gun that doesn't exist. IOW, a small and light easy-to-carry piece that holds enough baby beans (9mm aka EuroPellet aka .380 Long Rifle aka Simunitions +P).

That particular P9 had been shot a lot and was perfectly reliable, easy to shoot, easier to carry, and had only one strike (aside from the limited capacity) against it… the trigger reset.

Now, allow me to digress here and state that most any old-time DA revolver shooter will feel right at home with the Kahr trigger… UNLESS said old-time revolver shooter has spent years weaning himself off of a long stroke and been shooting Glocks and assorted other usurpers of tradition. I managed to convince myself that carrying and shooting the P9, with its long reset (compared to the LEM, et. al.) would mess up my ability to do good work with the others in my "battery".

That was a bit presumptous on my part, and I of all people should have known better. Color me a dumb shit. Trigger control is trigger control; either you can do it, or you cannot. At any rate, I passed on the P9. I was also still agonizing over my reluctance to forsake my beloved .45 cartridge. So I ended up not getting anything.

Then, a few years hence, I got a freebie (courtesy my wife winning one at a GSSF match) G43. Just about the time I was getting comfortable with it, the magazine spring issues surfaced, I had a couple of strange malfunctions, and on top of that I had visions of getting cornered in the mall with a couple of AK-armed mooselimb assholes. So I put that one back in the safe, where it sits today.

I've gotten over my reluctance to carry 9mm vs .45, but I still feel better with a double-stack gun and at least one spare magazine. And the ugly truth there is, the G19 still reigns over that domain. It is simply the gold standard for concealed carry when all things are considered… IMO, anyway.

I've been carrying a USP Compact 9mm for the past several months. With flat floorplate magazines, it is the same size as a G19, except in that one critical area; width. It weighs a couple of ounces more, and holds two less beans. The exposed hammer, which I can thumb while re-holstering, makes the extra width and weight well worth it, to me. Glocks just make me… well, nervous, when it comes time to reholster. I'm from the old school, which says you do NOT look at your holster when putting the gun away. But that's another topic…

BTW, I too had a Shield, and shot it extensively during my "trials". I dumped it for the same reason you did… it squirmed in my hand.

Sorry for the rambling prose, but there is a point to it all. To wit, the Kahr P9 could be just what you're looking for. The time is coming for me when I'm going to throw caution to the winds and carry something small and light. I had thought the G43 was going to fill that role, and it may yet… but I've got a lot of work to do with it before I "sign off" on it. And I just may buy myself a P9 for comparative purposes…;)

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[MGW]

LSP972 I really appreciate your input. I really wanted to like the 43 too. In my opinion Glock screwed up with the 43. They tried to make a pistol that would make everyone happy. It should have either been a little smaller or a little bigger. I never tried any TT base plates in the one I had because I didn't feel like it would fix my main issues with it.

I really like the 19. I'm learning how to shoot it a little better every week and my confidence level with it is really high. But as I approach my mid 40's I find that it's really nice to have a smaller lighter option from time to time. I'm just not ready to give up the ability to run it like I think I should be able to.

I'm not asking for much. Something that handles like a 4" 1911 and the clean no safety operation of a Glock. It shouldn't be that hard right.

Okay. Anyone know the best place to buy Kahrs?


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[oldtexan]

I know the Kahr P9 has been mentioned, but the Kahr TP9 and T9 are actually closer to the G19 in terms of height and length than the P9. The TP9 and T9 have 4" barrels, 8 rd mags, and about a half inch longer grip than the P9, much closer to the G19. the all stainless T9 is heavier than the G19; the TP9 is lighter than the G19. Holster availability could be a challenge with either gun.

[LSP972]

I'm not sure of the exact nomenclature, but they offer a "plain vanilla" version of the P9 that sells for several hundred dollars less. Basically, you lose the polygonal rifling (no loss in a mini-gun), the dove-tailed front sight, the extra magazine, and the finish isn't as… well, "finished". There are a few distinct corners on the slide that are rounded/smoothed on the P9.

CP9, perhaps? Dunno, but the P9 is, like, $700, last time I looked… a bit steep for what you get. Still, if it ends up being your desiderata, then money well spent.

Mid-40's??? Piker. I turned 64 a week ago; I've got an excuse for sniveling. You need to man up and drive the G19!;)

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[taadski]

Now, allow me to digress here and state that most any old-time DA revolver shooter will feel right at home with the Kahr trigger… UNLESS said old-time revolver shooter has spent years weaning himself off of a long stroke and been shooting Glocks and assorted other usurpers of tradition. I managed to convince myself that carrying and shooting the P9, with its long reset (compared to the LEM, et. al.) would mess up my ability to do good work with the others in my "battery".

It's quite possible I'm a dumb ass also then. :p This paragraph of yours mirrors some of my concerns. I've found myself short stroking some of my DAO guns at speed b/c I've gotten so used to the SRT kits and DA/SA system. Not that one couldn't work through such an issue, but I started asking myself "why".

[Jac]

I'm not sure of the exact nomenclature, but they offer a "plain vanilla" version of the P9 that sells for several hundred dollars less. Basically, you lose the polygonal rifling (no loss in a mini-gun), the dove-tailed front sight, the extra magazine, and the finish isn't as… well, "finished". There are a few distinct corners on the slide that are rounded/smoothed on the P9.

CP9, perhaps? Dunno, but the P9 is, like, $700, last time I looked… a bit steep for what you get. Still, if it ends up being your desiderata, then money well spent.

CW9... I've got the CM9 (the budget version of the PM) that's got about 200rds through without any issues, but I really haven't rung it out yet.

[taadski]

Thank you for your input. I have very little experience with a Kahr. First experience with them and I didn't like the trigger at all. I'm spending more and more time with a j frame and have grown to really like a double action trigger.

I would be okay with a standard striker fired trigger in a single stack but haven't found the right one yet. The first gen PPS was really good at pinching my hand on reloads. I really struggle with a Shield. I think it's because of how rounded the back strap is. I can't seem to keep it from squirming in my hand. The XDS has come the closest but I don't completely trust that I will depress the grip safety under stress. I even put several rounds of ammo through a both a P290 (grip to short) and a 938.

I don't really know of anything else that might fit what I looking for.

Reliable
No safety
Long enough grip to not pinch my hand on reloads
1" or less thick
9mm
Sight and holster options

The Shield should be it. I could probably figure it out if given enough time and ammo. If the Kahr or something else would fit me better though I'm all about trying it out.



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No sweat re the info. Seems like the Kahrs might fit your bill. Certainly worth a closer look, IMO.

Also, give the new PPS a fondle if you get the chance. I put hands on one at a local shop the other day and was pretty impressed. The grip in particular filled the hand much more than the Gen 1 version. Might help with the mag pinch you were experiencing. Those I've spoken too that have put some live time in with them were quite impressed. FWIW.



t

[LSP972]

I know the Kahr P9 has been mentioned, but the Kahr TP9 and T9 are actually closer to the G19 in terms of height and length than the P9. The TP9 and T9 have 4" barrels, 8 rd mags, and about a half inch longer grip than the P9, much closer to the G19. the all stainless T9 is heavier than the G19; the TP9 is lighter than the G19. Holster availability could be a challenge with either gun.

Good call… I had forgotten about those.

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[LSP972]

Not that one couldn't work through such an issue, but I started asking myself "why".

Exactly. Plus, an extended session would get uncomfortable for me past 100 rounds, due to the light weight and not-quite-hand-filling grip.

They say the all-stainless Kahrs do not have the potential gremlins that the polymer-framed examples do, and Kahr offers a "full-size" all-stainless piece that one could use for extended practice. But with a safe full of G19s and HK compacts… well, it would be like taking the ugly chick to the prom. Perhaps better than sitting at home… but would you REALLY want to???:D

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[HopetonBrown]

Only a bit of shooting experience with the P9, but I had a PM 9 for about 8 years. Carried a bit, but shot it seldom. It has a lot of quirks, not the least of which is the tendency for the magazines to start popping bullets out when the spare magazine is in your pocket.

Do a lot of clued in guys carry a naked magazine in their pocket? I thought a pocket mag carrier was common.

[Chuck Whitlock]

If you are looking for a single stack its a similar size to a Glock 19, then I would suggest looking at the new Walther PPS M2 or even a S&W Shield. install the 7 or 8 rd magazine in the PPS M2 or the 8 rd magazine in the Shield and you are close to the height of the Glock 19.

Actually, the size is closer to a G26.....much slimmer and with a skinnier but slightly longer grip...just long enough with the magazine floorplate for me to get a full grip. Barrel length is 3.5"


I'm not sure of the exact nomenclature, but they offer a "plain vanilla" version of the P9 that sells for several hundred dollars less. Basically, you lose the polygonal rifling (no loss in a mini-gun), the dove-tailed front sight, the extra magazine, and the finish isn't as… well, "finished". There are a few distinct corners on the slide that are rounded/smoothed on the P9.


CW9. Even with conventional instead of polygonal rifling, my sample is like a laser beam at 25 yards with 124 gr. +P GDs.

FO and night sights are available for the CW series, although the mounting might not be as robust as a dovetail:

http://www.kahr.com/Sights/Kahr-CW-Series-Fiber-Optic-Front-Sight.asp

http://www.kahr.com/Sights/Kahr-CWCM-Trijicon-Night-Sights.asp



Do a lot of clued in guys carry a naked magazine in their pocket? I thought a pocket mag carrier was common.

I've never had this issue using the Desantis Mag Packer with either 9mm or .40 magazines.

GreggW,

I use a CW9 as a BUG on and off duty. I also previously used an early blued steel K40 as a BUG and smaller off duty gun. The rubber Hogue grips on the all steel versions are a delight, and the steel frame helped to tame the .40 recoil. Bear in mind that I have small mitts, and the Kahrs fit my hands perfectly.

When I got the CW9, I was actually all set to buy a Shield. But the curves and bulges on the Shield's grip just didn't interface with my hand at all. My hand likes the feel of the G43, too, but I haven't shot one yet.

Since you are in KS, is there a Scheel's in your area? I bought mine in Sioux City, IA, and they always seemed to have Kahrs in stock.

[MGW]

Actually, the size is closer to a G26.....much slimmer and with a skinnier but slightly longer grip...just long enough with the magazine floorplate for me to get a full grip. Barrel length is 3.5"



CW9. Even with conventional instead of polygonal rifling, my sample is like a laser beam at 25 yards with 124 gr. +P GDs.

FO and night sights are available for the CW series, although the mounting might not be as robust as a dovetail:

http://www.kahr.com/Sights/Kahr-CW-Series-Fiber-Optic-Front-Sight.asp

http://www.kahr.com/Sights/Kahr-CWCM-Trijicon-Night-Sights.asp




I've never had this issue using the Desantis Mag Packer with either 9mm or .40 magazines.

GreggW,

I use a CW9 as a BUG on and off duty. I also previously used an early blued steel K40 as a BUG and smaller off duty gun. The rubber Hogue grips on the all steel versions are a delight, and the steel frame helped to tame the .40 recoil. Bear in mind that I have small mitts, and the Kahrs fit my hands perfectly.

When I got the CW9, I was actually all set to buy a Shield. But the curves and bulges on the Shield's grip just didn't interface with my hand at all. My hand likes the feel of the G43, too, but I haven't shot one yet.

Since you are in KS, is there a Scheel's in your area? I bought mine in Sioux City, IA, and they always seemed to have Kahrs in stock.

No Scheels that I'm aware of. I think Gander keeps them in stock though and I'm fairly close to one.

Sight options actually helped to plant the Kahr option in my brain. Dawson is selling CM and CW9s with there sights installed on them.

I didn't realize that the CW was the same size as the P9. I thought the CW was smaller for some reason. Good to know. There's a CW9 on Armslist locally with extra magazines for $425. I think I should check that one out.

Since you have owned one for awhile is there anything about the CW9 I should look out for?

I initially liked the 43. It's just small enough though to cause a pretty significant drop of for me though.


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[MGW]

No sweat re the info. Seems like the Kahrs might fit your bill. Certainly worth a closer look, IMO.

Also, give the new PPS a fondle if you get the chance. I put hands on one at a local shop the other day and was pretty impressed. The grip in particular filled the hand much more than the Gen 1 version. Might help with the mag pinch you were experiencing. Those I've spoken too that have put some live time in with them were quite impressed. FWIW.



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I've been looking for a PPSM2. I haven't ruled it out but I think the grip may be a tad shorter than I want. I know there are a lot of really good people here that like them.


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[MGW]

I know the Kahr P9 has been mentioned, but the Kahr TP9 and T9 are actually closer to the G19 in terms of height and length than the P9. The TP9 and T9 have 4" barrels, 8 rd mags, and about a half inch longer grip than the P9, much closer to the G19. the all stainless T9 is heavier than the G19; the TP9 is lighter than the G19. Holster availability could be a challenge with either gun.

The TP9 is really an interesting pistol. It's really difficult to find much information out about them though. Info from sources I trust anyway. I think the main reason is just because there aren't many people out there that want a single stack 9mm that size. I'm an odd duck.

I also wonder if I could find a holster for it.


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[Chuck Whitlock]

I didn't realize that the CW was the same size as the P9. I thought the CW was smaller for some reason. Good to know. There's a CW9 on Armslist locally with extra magazines for $425. I think I should check that one out.

CW is same size as P series. CM is same size as PM.



Since you have owned one for awhile is there anything about the CW9 I should look out for?

A couple of things. Bear in mind that I am toting it around on the south Texas coast. I found out the hard way that, although the slide and trigger are stainless, the magazine catch and trigger pin and springs are blued steel (don't know if this is also true of P-series). I discovered this after sweating all over the damn thing and following a Glock-like maintenance schedule (cleanings few and far between). I wound up with a rusty, gummy mess, which really only took a moderate effort to clean up. I discovered this while showing my brother the trigger pull in dry fire, and the trigger didn't return. So I keep it cleaned and lubed and pay closer attention......which I really should have done anyway.

It needs more lube than a Glock, and hand cycling it feels rough unless it's lubed well. I'm having good luck with SLIP 200 EWL30.

As Jody has mentioned in other threads, the magazine catch spring is a little light. A trimmed Glock spring helps. My holsters from CCC gover the mag catch, too.

I haven't chaned the sights yet. I blacked out the white on the rear sight, and put orange paint on the white dot on the front. I've been debating getting a CT Laserguard for the thing.


Hope this helps.

[MGW]

CW is same size as P series. CM is same size as PM.



A couple of things. Bear in mind that I am toting it around on the south Texas coast. I found out the hard way that, although the slide and trigger are stainless, the magazine catch and trigger pin and springs are blued steel (don't know if this is also true of P-series). I discovered this after sweating all over the damn thing and following a Glock-like maintenance schedule (cleanings few and far between). I wound up with a rusty, gummy mess, which really only took a moderate effort to clean up. I discovered this while showing my brother the trigger pull in dry fire, and the trigger didn't return. So I keep it cleaned and lubed and pay closer attention......which I really should have done anyway.

It needs more lube than a Glock, and hand cycling it feels rough unless it's lubed well. I'm having good luck with SLIP 200 EWL30.

As Jody has mentioned in other threads, the magazine catch spring is a little light. A trimmed Glock spring helps. My holsters from CCC gover the mag catch, too.

I haven't chaned the sights yet. I blacked out the white on the rear sight, and put orange paint on the white dot on the front. I've been debating getting a CT Laserguard for the thing.


Hope this helps.

Thanks for your help Chuck.


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[Chuck Whitlock]

All of the above doesn't apply to the non-polymer frame K-series. They are just heavy little beasts.

[Jac]

CW is same size as P series. CM is same size as PM.



A couple of things. Bear in mind that I am toting it around on the south Texas coast. I found out the hard way that, although the slide and trigger are stainless, the magazine catch and trigger pin and springs are blued steel (don't know if this is also true of P-series). I discovered this after sweating all over the damn thing and following a Glock-like maintenance schedule (cleanings few and far between). I wound up with a rusty, gummy mess, which really only took a moderate effort to clean up. I discovered this while showing my brother the trigger pull in dry fire, and the trigger didn't return. So I keep it cleaned and lubed and pay closer attention......which I really should have done anyway.

It needs more lube than a Glock, and hand cycling it feels rough unless it's lubed well. I'm having good luck with SLIP 200 EWL30.

As Jody has mentioned in other threads, the magazine catch spring is a little light. A trimmed Glock spring helps. My holsters from CCC gover the mag catch, too.

I haven't chaned the sights yet. I blacked out the white on the rear sight, and put orange paint on the white dot on the front. I've been debating getting a CT Laserguard for the thing.


Hope this helps.

Which holster(s) from CCC are you using for your Kahr, Chuck?

[Chuck Haggard]

My wife's CW9 has been very reliable with a wide range of loads, her PM9 is very picky and only reliable with a few choice loads. My observation of the Kahrs, including more than my two samples, is that the larger guns are much more reliable than the smaller guns.

[Kirk]

I really like the looks of the XDS 4.0...

9+1, 4" slide, single stack, solid reliability reports, decent trigger, and FO sight's from the factory. I'm going to test one of these out heavily this year.

[MGW]

I shoot the XDS well. I really wish they would have left the grip safety off of it though.


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[Dave J]

I'm also a fan of the Kahr's for when I need something slimmer than my G19. I have a P9 that is carried often, and a CW9 that serves as a training gun. I don't shoot them nearly as much as my standard size pistols, but I've got a little over 4K through the pair now with no issues.

Both guns needed a little dehorning on the slide and slide stop, and my CW9 needed some sanding to reduce the grip length so the magazines would seat correctly, neither of which I consider to be a big deal. I've also tweaked the mag release to make it harder to accidentally jettison the magazine, and switched the sights based on personal preference.

Everything I've seen has me convinced that the P9/CW9-sized guns are less finicky than the PM/CM versions.

At some point, I may chop a P9 or CW9 to "PM" grip length.

I've also toyed with the idea of buying a TP9 and chopping the grip to P9 length, but haven't seen many TP9's for sale lately. There is also a budget version of the TP9, called the CT9, that might be easier to find. Summit Gun Broker had them for $299 awhile back.

Specifically for GreggW, Kahr does offer LE/Mil discounts, so check the "qualified professional" section at Bud's.

[Lyonsgrid]

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The single stack 3rd Gens are worth a look IMO.

[MGW]

Local indoor range was packed today. The line to rent a pistol and get into the range was crazy long. I didn't even bother trying to get to the rental counter. I checked several places and they all had the PM/CM size Kahr but that was it. Also couldn't find a PPS M2.

I noticed a couple things about the Kahr that I hadn't before. I liked the feel of the trigger more than I remembered. The trigger reach at the break felt really short. Finally the trigger guard was a lot smaller than I remembered. Knuckle was hitting the trigger guard during dry fire. It's really hard to tell if any of these things will make a difference when I actually test one though.

After messing around with a PPS again I'm going to hold off until I can test a M2. Ideally I would like to test a CW9 and PPS side by side.

Side notes that do me no good. I really like light weight commanders. I also really like the M&P9c. To bad it really doesn't gain me anything over the 19. Same with the new 225. Really nice pistol but it isn't small at all.

S&W should build a 9mm single stack the size of a M&P 22c.

Last but not least I've allowed myself to decide that a polymer single stack may not be for me. The world probably won't end if I decide to stick with a 19 and a J frame.


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[taadski]

The world probably won't end if I decide to stick with a 19...



I'm NOT a Glock guy, but there's a really good list of reasons that pistol is as prolific a carry choice as it is. Just saying.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Which holster(s) from CCC are you using for your Kahr, Chuck?

I am currently using the Versa Clip. Planning to get a V2 Uno soon.

[LockedBreech]

Luckily I own both a G19G4 and a PPS so lemme grab you a comparison snap real quick.

[LockedBreech]

All of these are with the mid-size 7 round mag, which is how I carry it. The 6 and 8 round mags shorten and lengthen the grip (I own both so I can adjust my carry as needed to my outfit) but the 7-rounder is very much the Goldilocks to my hand.

Apologies for the cereal bowl background in #4.

All guns and magazines were unloaded for safety for the pics.

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[Josh Runkle]

I'm being sincere and not trolling here:

What do you find bad about the GLOCK 19? Many people use it as an EDC. It is only slightly larger than stuff like the PPS, yet it carries 200% as many bullets. It's been far more tested by departments, units, professional competitors, and is most likely the most reliable of the options out there. Consider that there are millions of them sold, and even though people occasionally report an issue with one here and there, they still most likely have a way better ratio of guns without malfunctions than most companies out there. They're cheap. Mags are cheap. Parts are cheap. There's a wider selection of holsters out there. And, unless you have unusually small hands, it's very likely to fit a small hand. (I wear a size Medium glove in tactical gloves and find the gun to feel pretty small still)

Sincerely asking, and I realize that everyone has separate personal preferences, but, what do you perceive to be the advantages to something that is the size of a GLOCK 19 but is a single stack?

ETA: you could also carry a GLOCK 17 mag with an extension and have a 20 rd pocket reload. Meaning: 36 rounds with only 2 mags, vs having to have 4-5 mags in a single stack to carry the same.

[GJM]

1) in certain NPE situations, size does matter.

2) in some states, there is a ten round magazine limit, and I am not fond of Glock 19/17 ten round magazines.

[LockedBreech]

Despite their similar looking size, I find the PPS significantly more concealable than the G19.


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[Clusterfrack]

When I need to carry something small, the G43 has been working very well for me. (Otherwise, it's a G19 or a p320c.)

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[RJ]

I'm being sincere and not trolling here:

What do you find bad about the GLOCK 19? Many people use it as an EDC. It is only slightly larger than stuff like the PPS, yet it carries 200% as many bullets. It's been far more tested by departments, units, professional competitors, and is most likely the most reliable of the options out there. Consider that there are millions of them sold, and even though people occasionally report an issue with one here and there, they still most likely have a way better ratio of guns without malfunctions than most companies out there. They're cheap. Mags are cheap. Parts are cheap. There's a wider selection of holsters out there. And, unless you have unusually small hands, it's very likely to fit a small hand. (I wear a size Medium glove in tactical gloves and find the gun to feel pretty small still)

Sincerely asking, and I realize that everyone has separate personal preferences, but, what do you perceive to be the advantages to something that is the size of a GLOCK 19 but is a single stack?

ETA: you could also carry a GLOCK 17 mag with an extension and have a 20 rd pocket reload. Meaning: 36 rounds with only 2 mags, vs having to have 4-5 mags in a single stack to carry the same.

Width, primarily.

After shooting the popular Single Stack 9s (Shield, G43, PPS Classic), and the small HKs (P2K, P2KSK), my S&W M&P FS9 and VP9, and fondling many other small 9s, I opted to buy a PPS M2 this week.

Besides the reputation of the PPS classic, and it's review in the G&A single stack review, it's positive reviews here, and the fact I shot a good group at 25 yards with a PPS classic, the main reason I bought a PPS M2 was the width.

So in my unique case, I have a 15 round HD / game gun (VP9) that I "could" carry, and a slim 6/7 round pistol I probably "will" carry. The G19 (excellent that it is) did not offer me anything. (Yes, I've shot a rental G19, no, I could not get used to the grip angle.)

I guess it depends on personal circumstances.

[LSP972]

Width, primarily.

After shooting the popular Single Stack 9s (Shield, G43, PPS Classic), and the small HKs (P2K, P2KSK), my S&W M&P FS9 and VP9, and fondling many other small 9s, I opted to buy a PPS M2 this week.

Besides the reputation of the PPS classic, and it's review in the G&A single stack review, it's positive reviews here, and the fact I shot a good group at 25 yards with a PPS classic, the main reason I bought a PPS M2 was the width.

So in my unique case, I have a 15 round HD / game gun (VP9) that I "could" carry, and a slim 6/7 round pistol I probably "will" carry. The G19 (excellent that it is) did not offer me anything. (Yes, I've shot a rental G19, no, I could not get used to the grip angle.)

I guess it depends on personal circumstances.

Well stated. And Lord knows, you researched the issue enough, went hands-on, evaluated your observations, and made your decision. Basically, the way it is supposed to be done.

I still feel the need for a higher-capacity piece right now… primarily because I'm around LE types most days, and while I am certainly low-profile, they are most definitely not (they all wear the 5.11 tuxedo). No, it is not a desire to emulate them; I don't want to be caught short with a mouse gun if things blow up around us on the Picadilly parking lot, etc.;)

But when this gig is eventually over, and I'm REALLY retired, I'll probably adopt your attitude and scale things way back. With that in mind, I need to get back to working with my G43 and those TT extensions, to determine whether or not I'm going to be happy with same.

I have enjoyed watching your journey. I guess you know that it ain't over yet...:cool:

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[Beat Trash]

No One can accuse Rich of being an impulse buyer!

On paper, the PPS and the Shield are very close in size when installing the same size magazines. I owned a PPS when I bought my first Shield in 2012 and I seem to remember them being close in size.

Like LSP, I still feel the need for capacity. On the rare occasions I feel ok with a single stack 9mm, the Shield is my go-to pistol. But the gun is not without it's faults, first of which is that the front and back of the grip is rounded just enough that the pistol has a tendency to roll a bit in my hands. Once the PPS M2 is available for me to handle face to face, I amy be picking one of these guns up. (Thanks for the advanced research Rich...)

With the 8 round magazine in place, the Shield is the same height as the Glock 19. The width difference, while on paper doesn't look like much, in reality the deciding factor.

Gen4 Glock 19 on the left, Shield with 8 rd magazine on the right. The Shield is a fraction taller...

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[Josh Runkle]

Width, primarily.

After shooting the popular Single Stack 9s (Shield, G43, PPS Classic), and the small HKs (P2K, P2KSK), my S&W M&P FS9 and VP9, and fondling many other small 9s, I opted to buy a PPS M2 this week.

Besides the reputation of the PPS classic, and it's review in the G&A single stack review, it's positive reviews here, and the fact I shot a good group at 25 yards with a PPS classic, the main reason I bought a PPS M2 was the width.

So in my unique case, I have a 15 round HD / game gun (VP9) that I "could" carry, and a slim 6/7 round pistol I probably "will" carry. The G19 (excellent that it is) did not offer me anything. (Yes, I've shot a rental G19, no, I could not get used to the grip angle.)

I guess it depends on personal circumstances.

Hey, an informed decision, differences of opinion, but you've found what works for you, and to me that's a positive!

[LSP552]

But when this gig is eventually over, and I'm REALLY retired, I'll probably adopt your attitude and scale things way back. With that in mind, I need to get back to working with my G43 and those TT extensions, to determine whether or not I'm going to be happy with same.

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For me, a small/single stack needs to be very shootable for my confront level. I really can't see the 43 filling that role for me. It's too small for me to shoot to the level I want without way too much effort. It's not small enough to compensate for that issue. I know the P239 gets dissed like fat girl, but it's SO easy to shoot really well. For me today, that's more important than a bit less weight.

I must say that I'm intrigued by the PPS M2.......

[RJ]

Couple comparison shots on the PPS M2, if any of y'all have a VP9.

Width:

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And side to side. You can kinda see why my wife called the PPS M2 a mini-VP9.

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Apparently SWMBO said I am to take her M&P FS9 to the LGS and trade it in on a new PPS M2 for her, she likes it so much. Which surprised the heck out of me when she said that. :cool:

[MGW]

I'm being sincere and not trolling here:

What do you find bad about the GLOCK 19? Many people use it as an EDC. It is only slightly larger than stuff like the PPS, yet it carries 200% as many bullets. It's been far more tested by departments, units, professional competitors, and is most likely the most reliable of the options out there. Consider that there are millions of them sold, and even though people occasionally report an issue with one here and there, they still most likely have a way better ratio of guns without malfunctions than most companies out there. They're cheap. Mags are cheap. Parts are cheap. There's a wider selection of holsters out there. And, unless you have unusually small hands, it's very likely to fit a small hand. (I wear a size Medium glove in tactical gloves and find the gun to feel pretty small still)

Sincerely asking, and I realize that everyone has separate personal preferences, but, what do you perceive to be the advantages to something that is the size of a GLOCK 19 but is a single stack?

ETA: you could also carry a GLOCK 17 mag with an extension and have a 20 rd pocket reload. Meaning: 36 rounds with only 2 mags, vs having to have 4-5 mags in a single stack to carry the same.

GJM nailed it. I just need another option for occasional, specific uses. I need something smaller and lighter without a huge drop off in capability. I'm not looking for a pocket gun. The 19 will still be carried most of the time.


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[MGW]

For me, a small/single stack needs to be very shootable for my confront level. I really can't see the 43 filling that role for me. It's too small for me to shoot to the level I want without way too much effort. It's not small enough to compensate for that issue. I know the P239 gets dissed like fat girl, but it's SO easy to shoot really well. For me today, that's more important than a bit less weight.

I must say that I'm intrigued by the PPS M2.......

The new PPS is on my try list when I can find one. I have looked at a lot of 239's. There's a lot I like about it but haven't shot one. I've owned and shot other Sigs but never a 239. Is it really smaller than a 19 though? I hadn't considered it as an option but maybe I should.


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[MGW]

Couple comparison shots on the PPS M2, if any of y'all have a VP9.

Width:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160131/34799f10282359148a93ae31ec54470b.jpg

And side to side. You can kinda see why my wife called the PPS M2 a mini-VP9.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160131/33b68c5dfa5fa571607e577d9b81d7ee.jpg

Apparently SWMBO said I am to take her M&P FS9 to the LGS and trade it in on a new PPS M2 for her, she likes it so much. Which surprised the heck out of me when she said that. :cool:

Thanks for the pics Rich. You put together a great set up.


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[MGW]

All of these are with the mid-size 7 round mag, which is how I carry it. The 6 and 8 round mags shorten and lengthen the grip (I own both so I can adjust my carry as needed to my outfit) but the 7-rounder is very much the Goldilocks to my hand.

Apologies for the cereal bowl background in #4.

All guns and magazines were unloaded for safety for the pics.

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Thanks for the pics! I'm working on borrowing a PPS and getting more rounds through one.


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[MGW]

Ok, I hate to admit this but I might have screwed up here. Not the first time mind you.

Looking around at the local used market and a guy has a TP9. Looks pretty close to new. 3 eight round magazines, 4" barrel, full grip, nice trigger. Buds has these for a stupid cheap price right now so I shoot him a low ball offer and he takes it.

So now I own a Kahr TP9. Have not shot one yet (dumb) but it seems to fit what I'm looking for so I gave it a chance. Yesterday I start looking for holsters. Oops. JM and Custom Carry both tell me it's a no go because a blue gun doesn't exist. Tony said he can do it but it'll be a custom order and cost a little extra. If I love this thing that's fine. I decide I better look at magazines before I get much deeper into this. Luckily they seem fairly easy to find and are decently priced.

So anyway, lesson learned. Now, anyone know where I can find a decent AIWB holster for this thing? In stock or without a long lead time at least. I don't want to dump a long lead time and lots of money into a holster for it before I get a chance to really wring it out.


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[Sasage]

I would definitely shoot it before investing mags, holster etc.

Did I miss the part that you didn't want a shield with the 8 rd mag?

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[taadski]

Ok, I hate to admit this but I might have screwed up here. Not the first time mind you.

Looking around at the local used market and a guy has a TP9. Looks pretty close to new. 3 eight round magazines, 4" barrel, full grip, nice trigger. Buds has these for a stupid cheap price right now so I shoot him a low ball offer and he takes it.

So now I own a Kahr TP9. Have not shot one yet (dumb) but it seems to fit what I'm looking for so I gave it a chance. Yesterday I start looking for holsters. Oops. JM and Custom Carry both tell me it's a no go because a blue gun doesn't exist. Tony said he can do it but it'll be a custom order and cost a little extra. If I love this thing that's fine. I decide I better look at magazines before I get much deeper into this. Luckily they seem fairly easy to find and are decently priced.

So anyway, lesson learned. Now, anyone know where I can find a decent AIWB holster for this thing? In stock or without a long lead time at least. I don't want to dump a long lead time and lots of money into a holster for it before I get a chance to really wring it out.


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The TP9 is the slightly bigger version of the P9 if I'm reading right? That's probably not gonna fill the subcompact role you were talking about. Regardless, I think it'll be a good learning/vetting experiment for you. It'll still be a slimmer feeling package than the 19 I suspect. It'll also let ya spend some more time with that longer DA trigger and allow you to decide whether it's something you wanna continue with. If you wind up really digging it then perhaps the P9 or PM9 will do exactly what you need after all. If the $340 price tag at Buds is an indication, you got a pretty stinking good deal. I think you should be psyched!

[LSP972]

I must say that I'm intrigued by the PPS M2.......

I have my demons… you have yours.;)

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[MGW]

The TP9 is the slightly bigger version of the P9 if I'm reading right? That's probably not gonna fill the subcompact role you were talking about. Regardless, I think it'll be a good learning/vetting experiment for you. It'll still be a slimmer feeling package than the 19 I suspect. It'll also let ya spend some more time with that longer DA trigger and allow you to decide whether it's something you wanna continue with. If you wind up really digging it then perhaps the P9 or PM9 will do exactly what you need after all. If the $340 price tag at Buds is an indication, you got a pretty stinking good deal. I think you should be psyched!

Well the title of the thread is a pretty good description of what I was looking for. The TP9 is almost exactly the same size as the 19 so that box is checked. The Kahr trigger actually matches up decently with my J frame. It'll still take some getting used to.

That being said you're right. The P9 would probably be a more practical option. Considering the lack of holster options it may be what I end up with. I bought the TP9 cheap enough that I shouldn't get hurt on it if it doesn't work out.

It's really a pretty cool little pistol. My schedule is killing me though. Not sure when I'll get to the range.


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[taadski]

Well the title of the thread is a pretty good description of what I was looking for. The TP9 is almost exactly the same size as the 19 so that box is checked. The Kahr trigger actually matches up decently with my J frame. It'll still take some getting used to.


Yeah, my bad. I'm guilty of posting while distracted. Regardless, I look forward to hearing your impressions when you get some time.


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[MGW]

Yeah, my bad. I'm guilty of posting while distracted. Regardless, I look forward to hearing your impressions when you get some time.


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It's all good. Working it through dry fire drills it's really different. I tend to over grip it and get too much hand wrapped around it.


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[RJ]

It's all good. Working it through dry fire drills it's really different. I tend to over grip it and get too much hand wrapped around it.



I've enjoyed reading the thread; good luck with the TP9.

[LockedBreech]

Kahr having a pretty decent reputation, I'm kinda curious to see how their budget option holds up. Do keep us updated.


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[MGW]

Worked dry fire reloads again tonight. They are getting better but I have a feeling this might always be a weak point for me on this pistol. That mag well is really small.

I found out one of the magazines will not drop free. It's marked different than the other two magazines so I assume it was a later purchase.

I'm trying to track down a date for the serial number. No luck yet. Serial number is EPOxxx


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[Chuck Whitlock]

So now I own a Kahr TP9. Have not shot one yet (dumb) but it seems to fit what I'm looking for so I gave it a chance. Yesterday I start looking for holsters. Oops. JM and Custom Carry both tell me it's a no go because a blue gun doesn't exist. Tony said he can do it but it'll be a custom order and cost a little extra. If I love this thing that's fine. I decide I better look at magazines before I get much deeper into this. Luckily they seem fairly easy to find and are decently priced.

So anyway, lesson learned. Now, anyone know where I can find a decent AIWB holster for this thing? In stock or without a long lead time at least. I don't want to dump a long lead time and lots of money into a holster for it before I get a chance to really wring it out.




Kahr has these on their site: http://www.kahr.com/tp9-holsters/ALL/tp9-holsters.aspx

Not a lot of great choices, although some of the Galco options might made do until you get something from Tony.

[Sasage]

I had a CM9. Not sure why a defensive pistol needs a 200 round break in procedure.

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[CSW]

Smith 39 series.

[runcible]

Worked dry fire reloads again tonight. They are getting better but I have a feeling this might always be a weak point for me on this pistol. That mag well is really small.

I found out one of the magazines will not drop free. It's marked different than the other two magazines so I assume it was a later purchase.

I'm trying to track down a date for the serial number. No luck yet. Serial number is EPOxxx


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When you reload, are you indexing the initial feeding of the top of the magazine into the magwell with direction from your index finger against the leading edge of the magazine, your thumb against the broad side of the magazine, or by a different method?

[MGW]

When you reload, are you indexing the initial feeding of the top of the magazine into the magwell with direction from your index finger against the leading edge of the magazine, your thumb against the broad side of the magazine, or by a different method?

If I'm reading your post correctly yes. That's the method I'm using.


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[MGW]

A couple cell phone pics next to a Gen 4 19.

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[GJM]

Not sure if this is driven by size, but 86 the Vickers base plate, and go to sights where the rear sight is contained in the dovetail, as opposed to an HD style, and I bet the 19 conceals just as easy as the Kahr.

[MGW]

Not sure if this is driven by size, but 86 the Vickers base plate, and go to sights where the rear sight is contained in the dovetail, as opposed to an HD style, and I bet the 19 conceals just as easy as the Kahr.

The Vickers base plates are definitely going away. I got them on some used 17 mags I bought. The turned reloads with the 19 into a painful experience.

It isn't really a concealment issue. I carry appendix 95% of the time and I can hide the 19 under just about anything. I was looking for a thinner lighter option for occasional use like gym shorts, belly band under a tucked in shirt, other activities where I'm moving around a lot (not willing to go into that here), and legal NPEs. I've used a J frame for that role the last three years.

The hype around single stack 9mms kind of pulled me in. Who wouldn't want a J frame killer? Thinner, better ballistics, easier reloads, better sights, and a more shootable package over all. I just haven't been able to find a single stack that really checks all the boxes for me. The Shield is close but I don't shoot it as well as I think I should. Maybe with some grip work and trigger work it still is the best option. I just had a difficult time convincing myself to spend a couple hundred additional dollars on a Shield if there was the potential to find something that worked better for me out of the box.

Before going down the single stack rabbit hole I put around 1,000 rounds through a Glock 26. Not a lot of rounds by forum standards but enough to get comfortable with it. I really liked that pistol. I shot it as well as I thought I should, shot my first IDPA qualifier with it, enjoyed carrying it and training with the 19 carried over to the 26. Then I thought "this would be perfect if it was a little thinner and lighter." And so began the path to single stack purgatory.

I'm really close to saying screw it and just saving up for another 26. It's really come the closest to being the ideal "single stack" in my hands.


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[OhioFinance]

The Vickers base plates are definitely going away. I got them on some used 17 mags I bought. The turned reloads with the 19 into a painful experience.

It isn't really a concealment issue. I carry appendix 95% of the time and I can hide the 19 under just about anything. I was looking for a thinner lighter option for occasional use like gym shorts, belly band under a tucked in shirt, other activities where I'm moving around a lot (not willing to go into that here), and legal NPEs. I've used a J frame for that role the last three years.

The hype around single stack 9mms kind of pulled me in. Who wouldn't want a J frame killer? Thinner, better ballistics, easier reloads, better sights, and a more shootable package over all. I just haven't been able to find a single stack that really checks all the boxes for me. The Shield is close but I don't shoot it as well as I think I should. Maybe with some grip work and trigger work it still is the best option. I just had a difficult time convincing myself to spend a couple hundred additional dollars on a Shield if there was the potential to find something that worked better for me out of the box.

Before going down the single stack rabbit hole I put around 1,000 rounds through a Glock 26. Not a lot of rounds by forum standards but enough to get comfortable with it. I really liked that pistol. I shot it as well as I thought I should, shot my first IDPA qualifier with it, enjoyed carrying it and training with the 19 carried over to the 26. Then I thought "this would be perfect if it was a little thinner and lighter." And so began the path to single stack purgatory.

I'm really close to saying screw it and just saving up for another 26. It's really come the closest to being the ideal "single stack" in my hands.


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Hard to find fault in using the G26 as you described. That said the 43 is exactly a single stack G26. But with the 43 your going down the new mags, new holsters, new everything hole vs the 26 shares almost everything with your 19.

[MGW]

I'm starting to think about having the Kahr cut down to accept 7 round magazines. It would give me an excuse to open the mag well up a little bit at the same time. The TP9 is just enough too long to print through a t-shirt that "fits". I know the original TP9 was built on a P9 frame so this doesn't seem like that bad of an idea.

Any thoughts? Anyone seen this done or have any advice?


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[Chuck Whitlock]

I don't really see a negative. The 7 round mags should be easier to source. Kahr used to offer from the factory the 3.5" barrel/slide mated to a micro frame. This would be a larger version of that concept. Add the extended baseplates to the 8 round mags and they'd still be useful.

[CSW]

I still believe that if glock had released a single stack 9mm the same size as the glock 36, it would be a great size, and instant hit. The 43 is surely smaller.....

[1986s4]

For me the solution has been my classic SIG P-225 [not a P6]. Big enough to shoot well, light and thin enough to carry comfortably, 8 round mags carry better than a speed loader and hammer fired for my AWIB safety concerns.

[MGW]

I still believe that if glock had released a single stack 9mm the same size as the glock 36, it would be a great size, and instant hit. The 43 is surely smaller.....

I even considered a 36 for awhile. I always thought it was a lot thinner than it actually is.


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[MGW]

I don't really see a negative. The 7 round mags should be easier to source. Kahr used to offer from the factory the 3.5" barrel/slide mated to a micro frame. This would be a larger version of that concept. Add the extended baseplates to the 8 round mags and they'd still be useful.

I'm kind of torn. There's enough I like about the pistol so far to just go ahead and do the grip chop. I also keep thinking I would be better off to just sell it and pick up a P9 or CW9. There are such a limited number of TP and CT 9s out there that finding holsters without spending a premium is difficult. I haven't tried searching for recoil springs yet but I wonder if I'll run into the same availability problem.

Also, I've found limited reports of the TP9 length Kahrs having some reliability issues. Nothing I've experienced or can verify yet.


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[MGW]

For me the solution has been my classic SIG P-225 [not a P6]. Big enough to shoot well, light and thin enough to carry comfortably, 8 round mags carry better than a speed loader and hammer fired for my AWIB safety concerns.

I've really thought hard about a P239 or new 225A1. I think the 225 is a little bigger and a lot more expensive than I want to go but I really like it a lot. The P239 is a pistol that I've been interested in for a long time but always seem to talk myself out of. I think if I found a nice used one at a decent price I would probably own one.


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[The Apprentice]

I have a p239 if you want easier to conceal mags its great but the gun itself really is alot like concealing a glock 19. I think the shape makes it conceal a little better but it isnt kahr or m&p shield thin. It is a great shooter and like many have said before it feels different in hand and holster than the numbers suggest. The real advantage to me is how easy the single stack mags carry and for me there is just a certain mojo to it that makes me just like it. More often then not I grab the p2000 instead.

[LSP972]

The P239 is a pistol that I've been interested in for a long time but always seem to talk myself out of.

That's your inner self protecting you. While a nice pistol, the 239 is basically the same size as a G19, and probably an ounce or two heavier… and holds half the beans. Does have a hammer, though. Post # 119 gives a pretty good summary… but note the last sentence.:cool:

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[1986s4]

I've really thought hard about a P239 or new 225A1. I think the 225 is a little bigger and a lot more expensive than I want to go but I really like it a lot. The P239 is a pistol that I've been interested in for a long time but always seem to talk myself out of. I think if I found a nice used one at a decent price I would probably own one.


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That's how I came about with the SIG, LNIB, Trij HD sights and 4 mags under $500, it would have been stupid to pass it up.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I'm kind of torn. There's enough I like about the pistol so far to just go ahead and do the grip chop. I also keep thinking I would be better off to just sell it and pick up a P9 or CW9. There are such a limited number of TP and CT 9s out there that finding holsters without spending a premium is difficult. I haven't tried searching for recoil springs yet but I wonder if I'll run into the same availability problem.

Also, I've found limited reports of the TP9 length Kahrs having some reliability issues. Nothing I've experienced or can verify yet.


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If you have any decent gun shows in your area, you could probably make a decent trade. Once you do chop the grip, I'm sure the value will diminish.

[oldtexan]

I'm kind of torn. There's enough I like about the pistol so far to just go ahead and do the grip chop. I also keep thinking I would be better off to just sell it and pick up a P9 or CW9. There are such a limited number of TP and CT 9s out there that finding holsters without spending a premium is difficult. I haven't tried searching for recoil springs yet but I wonder if I'll run into the same availability problem.

Also, I've found limited reports of the TP9 length Kahrs having some reliability issues. Nothing I've experienced or can verify yet.


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Here's a data point on the TP9. We bought one in July 2010 (serial EPXXXX)and put 717 rds of factory ammo through it before retiring it in November that year. According to my notes, we experienced one stoppage, a premature slide lock, on the second round of a mag, shooting weak (left) hand only. Ammo in the gun when the stoppage happened was Federal P9HST2. There were about 530-540 total rds through the gun when the stoppage happened.

[MGW]

Another 125 rounds through the Kahr. No issues. Majority was Freedom 124 Xtreme HP's. These rounds have a really short overall length and occasionally hang up in my M&P pro when chambering a round. The Kahr eats them up.

But, I'm pulling the plug on the Kahr experiment early. I haven't put a lot of rounds through it but what I have verifies the issues I'm having in dry fire with it. The trigger breaks to far to the rear for me and I struggle to shoot groups with it. Reloads are painfully slow. Draws to first shot are not good as it doesn't point very well for me out of the holster. I get a lot of slap from the trigger guard on the knuckle of my trigger finger. I shot it side by side with the 442 and prefer the 442.

It's one of those pistols that feels really good to me but that feel doesn't translate to being able to shoot it well. I'm glad I picked it up and spent some time trying it out but it isn't going to be for me.


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[LSP972]

At least you gave it the old college try. Good luck with your continued quest.

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[CSW]

How about a Springfield range officer champion 9mm?
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[MGW]

I've actually considered the RO Champion. I don't know how to do anything to a 1911 but shoot it though. I could learn how to work on it but I don't really want learn on a pistol that I'm carrying.


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[ReverendMeat]

I've actually considered the RO Champion. I don't know how to do anything to a 1911 but shoot it though. I could learn how to work on it but I don't really want learn on a pistol that I'm carrying.

You could always buy a cheap beater 1911 to practice on, and though I don't know much about the Champion specifically, series 70-style 1911s aren't much more difficult than a Glock to disassemble completely (and I have pretty much zero mechanical aptitude to speak of).

[JAD]

I was thinking last night after a detail strip and clean -- it may be familiarity but I think 1911s are bone simple. They were designed by a much smarter man than... Well, any other gun, really.

[CSW]

I've actually considered the RO Champion. I don't know how to do anything to a 1911 but shoot it though. I could learn how to work on it but I don't really want learn on a pistol that I'm carrying.


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I just purchased this gun. It is robust, and pretty accurate. I am impressed with the fit and finish. It is nearly the same size as the G19, but thinner. Heavier.
While I have only taken it out of the box, cleaned and lubed it, and only fired 50 rounds on a 14 degree day last Sunday, it ran without a bobble.
50 rounds in by no means a test of reliability, and will not even consider it as a carry pistol until at least 500 rounds.
While the pulling right is all me, the 6" paper plate was shot at 20 yards.
I have been shooting Glock for the last year or so exclusively, so relearning a "real" single action trigger is taking some...

I have a lot of practicing with this gun to master it.

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[1986s4]

CSW,
How is it to disassemble? It has a cone barrel with reverse plug?

[MGW]

The Champion seems custom made for IDPA CCP. You need to keep us up to date on the Springer. I may end up with one eventually. It is really, really nice. The price point is really good too. It would work really well out of Keepers as a carry pistol.

When I was talking about maintenance I was talking more about long term. I can break one down, clean it, and put it back together but that's the extent of my knowledge. I don't know what to look for to identify potential or developing problems, how to tune extractors or magazines, or anything else that might pop up.


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[CSW]

CSW,
How is it to disassemble? It has a cone barrel with reverse plug?

It is fairly straight forward, as Springfield supplies this little black plastic gizmo that snaps over the compressed recoil assy. The pistol then takes down as any 1911 does. The system is bushingless, And without hijacking this thread, I'll post a pic of the muzzle end, to illustrate just how thick this barrel actually is. It does have a fairly steep feed ramp also, but VERY highly polished.


The Champion seems custom made for IDPA CCP. You need to keep us up to date on the Springer. I may end up with one eventually. It is really, really nice. The price point is really good too. It would work really well out of Keepers as a carry pistol.

When I was talking about maintenance I was talking more about long term. I can break one down, clean it, and put it back together but that's the extent of my knowledge. I don't know what to look for to identify potential or developing problems, how to tune extractors or magazines, or anything else that might pop up.


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Out the door, with the "goodie package" from Springfield,[laptop sized case, two mags, mag carrier and holster[Fobus, I believe], and extra fiber optic rods] it cost me $780.00. I couldn't even find one locally, And had my dealer locate and bring it in for me. the mag carrier and Holster are cheap, and would suffice if there were NO other options.
I truly toyed with the idea of the full sized with the adjustable sights, but the Commander sized gun carries so well, [like my Kimber Pro CDP II] and is just damn sexy!:p

Once I wring it out, I plan on going back to Rich at CCC, and getting a Shaggy for it. I EDC a G17 in a Shaggy, and absolutely believe that it is the BAST holster I have ever used.

[MGW]

Well, I ordered a George today from JMCK for a P239.


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[taadski]

Well, I ordered a George today from JMCK for a P239.


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Do tell...

[MGW]

Short version. I found a gentleman yesterday that had a P239. He was asking to much for it but was interested in the TP9. I added a little cash and now he has a TP9 and I have a P239. 3 magazines and factory night sights. I didn't get a screaming deal on it but I'm okay with that. Two evenings of dry fire with it so far.

The 239 doesn't check all the boxes I was originally looking for in a single stack. It's a little thicker and a little heavier than I wanted. It looks almost the same size as the 19 but it feels smaller in the hand and in the waistband. It does get me back into a TDA which I've been wanting for awhile now.

I'm going to dedicate all my dry fire and live fire time to it for a few weeks and then try to get an IDPA match or two under my belt. Hopefully my comfort level with it and the George will show up at about the same time. I have a Mr. Softy for a Glock something or other that is working for a practice holster for now. Just need an OWB and a few mag pouches.

It has Hogue wrap around grips on it now. Not sure if I'm going to like them. The factory grips were long gone so I might pick up a set to try out. G10 grips may be the way I go eventually. The front sight needs some paint to go with the tritium. Some day it may get a set of yellow HDs to match the 19.

I haven't been this excited about a new pistol in a long time.


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[GJM]

I run Hogue G10 chain link grips from Greg Côte, on mine. A JM George works well. The pistol is hard to reload fast, but very accurate and soft shooting.

[DpdG]

Just a small bit on the grips- the Hogue wrap arounds cover the one thing that I greatly dislike about the 239- the front strap. I love the double stack classic Sigs as well as the 225. I cannot accurately shoot the 239 with standard grips and G10 is only a slight improvement.

For some reason that squared off front strap just does not agree with the size of my mitts, so I cannot utilize the same grip between DA and SA while cleanly pressing the trigger to the rear. If I try to use the same grip, I get massive front sight shake as I have no contact with the front strap, other than the squared corners. The rubberized side panels are sub-optimal for concealment in my opinion, as they tend to stick on cover garments. If only I could find G10 with finger grooves/front strap rubber....

[LSP552]

I'm probably the only person who doesn't mind the 239 factory grips, though I do prefer the G10s. I can't use the Hogue rubber finger groove grips, despite my XL hands. They don't fit me, print on the cover garment, and impeded my draw at speed. YMMV, and I know a few folks that really like the ribber grip.

[MGW]

I'm probably the only person who doesn't mind the 239 factory grips, though I do prefer the G10s. I can't use the Hogue rubber finger groove grips, despite my XL hands. They don't fit me, print on the cover garment, and impeded my draw at speed. YMMV, and I know a few folks that really like the ribber grip.

They're to sticky for me. Shirt sticks, magazines stick on reloads. Plus, I didn't buy another Sig to have finger grooves. I have Glocks for that.

I'm on the hunt for a set of the stock plastic grips for now.


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[taadski]

The Crimson Trace come close to what you're describing, DpdG. Sans the finger grooves. They're harder plastic on the sides with rubber on both the back strap and the front strap. They do a good job of rounding out the front strap too and fill the hand a little bit more than stock.

I've used both the Hogue rubbers and the CTCs on mine over the years, but I've gone back to stock grips with a little bit of a stlipple job. They suite my needs well.

Look forward to to your impressions, Gregg.

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[MGW]

Was able to find time to get to the range again today.

Shot various drills with a friends Ruger SR1911 Nightwatchman. Didn't keep a round count or times but it's a nice shooter. Trigger is very clean. I think it could do with being a little lighter but it's really nice out of the box.

Shot a plate run clean of 4.99. Slow by most standards but it was such an easy stress free run. Lot of fun. This is my buddies new competition pistol. He shot a 2.95 clean on the plates. Smoking fast. He was testing my 19 out today and shot a 2.92 clean with it. Go figure.

Main focus was shaking out the new to me P239. Ran about 125 of Freedom 124 Xtreme HPs and some 124 Gold Dots. No issues. Buddy ran some of his 115 reloads through it also.

It did have several failures to lock back on an empty magazine. All induced by me. It'll take some time to learn to move my thumb out of the way again. Will work that into dry fire time. I used to have the same issue with my 19 so I know I can train my way out of it.

It was really windy so not a good day to test some of the things I wanted to test. Plus I had one magazine. Forgot the rest of them at home. Smooth move.

Noticed right away it was grouping right. The rear sight is drifted offset to the right and hadn't noticed it before. Accuracy is very good otherwise. Sights will be centered up and that'll fix that. They are the old style night sights and not the newer Siglite sights. I'm not crazy about them and might change them out at some point in the future.

Worked DA press outs from draw. Progressing nicely.
A few plate runs. If I take my time and get a good press out on the first plate the rest is easy. We're guessing it has about 1,000 rounds through it. Trigger is very smooth just as it should be.

The single action took a little time to get used to. This is an older pistol and definitely not a short reset trigger. The longer reset with a little bit of slack in the take up was a little weird at first. Figure it out quickly though.

This is a really fun pistol to shoot. The Hogue grips need to go away. They feel good in the hand but everything sticks to them. Shirts, magazines, skin. I don't want to deal with that. This little Sig points so well for me and tracks really well during recoil. It shoots like a much bigger pistol for me.

The P239 just clicks for me. I enjoy shooting it, the trigger is addictive, it's a great carry size, and really accurate. It makes me want a second one. Right now I definitely shoot the 19 a little better but not a lot better. Considering I have just a few rounds through the Sig I'm really curious to see just how good I can get with it.

This is going to be fun.

[LSP552]

This will be the best $50 you can spend on your 239. All of my SIGs have the SRT or GGI reduced reset. The reset of an SRT "feels" shorter than my a Glock. "Feels" not measured, but it's very close.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-srt-kit-p239.html

[taadski]

This will be the best $50 you can spend on your 239. All of my SIGs have the SRT or GGI reduced reset. The reset of an SRT "feels" shorter than my a Glock. "Feels" not measured, but it's very close.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-srt-kit-p239.html


Beat me to to it. ;)

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[MGW]

This will be the best $50 you can spend on your 239. All of my SIGs have the SRT or GGI reduced reset. The reset of an SRT "feels" shorter than my a Glock. "Feels" not measured, but it's very close.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-srt-kit-p239.html

It's on my future purchase list. New springs are going in it when they show up this week. I want to get enough rounds through it that I trust it before I change anything.

[ReverendMeat]

Since it's come up in this thread a few times, I walked out the door of my Cabela's the other day with a factory new PPS M1, out the door post tax at $250. Gonna try experimenting with AIWB for the first time so I immediately ordered a CCC Shaggy to go with it. First range trip was yesterday, only 175 rounds but WOW does this thing shoot! Compared to the LC9S and Shield, at least in my hands, there just is no comparison. During slow fire I noticed some unpleasantness with the trigger guard slapping my index finger during recoil, but once I started speeding things up I didn't notice at all and I felt like I was on fire. Besides shooting high with the stock sights, I kept groups dang near on par with the SP 2022 I brought with me, even at 25 yards. Doing some drills I remember thinking to myself "damn, I'm good" on more than one occasion.

I'd be completely head over heels for this pistol... BUT. 2 failures to extract resulting in doublefeeds, with Magtech 115 grain FMJ. I have never had any issues with this stuff outside of a couple duds here and there. This bothers me.


Also GreggW, glad you're liking the P239. That was my "summer carry" back when I had one (which the PPS is for now), which I sold to help fund an M11A1. That was a mistake and I'm still kicking myself, great gun. Don't be like me.

[Kirk]

I know it isn't popular at all, but I picked up a Sccy CPX2 for extremely cheap from a private seller. Long double action only, but 10+1 single stack and super concealable. I'm going to shoot the heck out of it to see if it's reliable, have heard mixed reports.

Is the 239 anymore concealable than a G19?

[ReverendMeat]

Is the 239 anymore concealable than a G19?

Hold them up and they're just about the same size, but IMO the 239 conceals much more nicely. The shape of the grip is what does it, I think.

[MGW]

I know it isn't popular at all, but I picked up a Sccy CPX2 for extremely cheap from a private seller. Long double action only, but 10+1 single stack and super concealable. I'm going to shoot the heck out of it to see if it's reliable, have heard mixed reports.

Is the 239 anymore concealable than a G19?

Not sure if he posts over here but Claude Werner has one that he talks about a lot in his 1000 days of dry fire FB page.

[MGW]

Forgot to ask, anyone have a source for magazines that don't cost $40 plus? What about decent mag pouches that'll work for carry and IDPA?

[taadski]

Forgot to ask, anyone have a source for magazines that don't cost $40 plus? What about decent mag pouches that'll work for carry and IDPA?


I don't believe Mecgar makes mags for the 239 which is why you're paying a bit more of a premium for them. TGS has 9mm 10 rounders for $34 if I recall correctly, but the standard are $39. I'd hunt the classifieds over on Sigforum for them if price is an issue. I almost picked up a few a fellow was selling the other week for $20 each IIRC.

I've been using Kytex singles as a low pro, OWB pouch for a few years (226) and I'm really happy with how they carry. I just broke my first one last week, but at $18 a pop, I'm totally ok with that, given how much use I've gotten out of them. They've started making them for the Sig single stacks too recently.

http://www.kytexgear.com/products-page/pistol-mag-carriers/sig-p239-mag-carrier/

For my 239, I also have a Safariland model 079 double pouch (also OWB) that is pretty low pro and conceals pretty well. The "group 1" size is the one that fits Sig single stack mags.

https://www.safariland.com/magazine/model-079-open-top-double-magazine-pouch-10954.html


Both of the above work well for both EDC and are IDPA legal.

[OhioFinance]

I don't believe Mecgar makes mags for the 239 which is why you're paying a bit more of a premium for them. TGS has 9mm 10 rounders for $34 if I recall correctly, but the standard are $39. I'd hunt the classifieds over on Sigforum for them if price is an issue. I almost picked up a few a fellow was selling the other week for $20 each IIRC.

I've been using Kytex singles as a low pro, OWB pouch for a few years (226) and I'm really happy with how they carry. I just broke my first one last week, but at $18 a pop, I'm totally ok with that, given how much use I've gotten out of them. They've started making them for the Sig single stacks too recently.

http://www.kytexgear.com/products-page/pistol-mag-carriers/sig-p239-mag-carrier/

For my 239, I also have a Safariland model 079 double pouch (also OWB) that is pretty low pro and conceals pretty well. The "group 1" size is the one that fits Sig single stack mags.

https://www.safariland.com/magazine/model-079-open-top-double-magazine-pouch-10954.html


Both of the above work well for both EDC and are IDPA legal.

To my knowledge, and with my own experience, the 10 round P239 magazines are problematic and the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[taadski]

To my knowledge, and with my own experience, the 10 round P239 magazines are problematic and the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Are you referring to the +2 accessory base pads or the factory 10 rounders? I've personally had some reliability issues with the former (the add on base pads) but my 10 round 9mm magazines, while admittedly ergonomically atrocious, have been 100% over a number of years.

Just for clarification, these are what I'm talking about.

http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-sauer-p239-9mm-10rd-magazine.html

[Polecat]

I don't care who comes out with it first, but I think a skinny G19 would be the perfect size. I want a full grip where the mags don't / won't get hung up coming out, and it allows a more secure draw. I hope Springfield will bring a 4" XDS with full grip not the dumb extension, I heard recently Sig was gonna do a P320 single stack, which sounds promising, but who knows how long that will take.

[MGW]

I just hope the 320 single stack isn't a rebadged P290.

[Sigfan26]

I just hope the 320 single stack isn't a rebadged P290.

I'm sure it'll be to the p290 what the 320 was to the 250.