Looking for feedback on this design.

[FLC Knives]

Hi Guys,
I hope this is the right place to post this.
What I'm looking for is comments, criticisms and feedback regarding how YOU think this blade could be improved.

Specs.
1/8" thick O1 with the heat treat scale left on.
Paracord wrapped handle in the Strider style but sealed with epoxy.
Kydex sheath set up for IWB static line carry or kangaroo pouch on plate carrier with addition of velcro.

Background.
This design began life as a Mora Companion (one of my favorites!)
In the end I modded the heck out of my Mora until I had to add material in 3 areas.
If your familiar with the Companion you'll see what I mean.
The blade profile is also slightly modified.
My goal was to retain the original utility I had come to enjoy with the original but to optimize the blade for combative applications.
I realize this is an area that can be a great source of debate so lets please not go into that here
Hit me up with PM though if you wish to chat about it!

Thanks for looking guys!


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[JHC]

I like it much. Could you put more dramatic undercut on the bottom fingerguard for more insurance of not slipping forward in a stab to hardness? Like where ones index finger runs into a hook sort of barrier?

I love spear points. Looks like utility than can fight.

[FLC Knives]

Thanks JHC.
It has worked well in my testing but it is an area where more is merrier:)
On the non cord wrapped one I made the area your referring to is a touch deeper due to there being no cord there.
Would there be interest in seeing a video testing this out?
If so, what would be considered a valid test?

[JHC]

I'm sure you know better than I. I'm just always very worried about a slip that direction in this application. Not from experience but from skeerdness. ;) Video is never bad! I'll track this for some more feedback from more knowledgeable.

[FLC Knives]

I'm sure you know better than I. I'm just always very worried about a slip that direction in this application. Not from experience but from skeerdness. ;) Video is never bad! I'll track this for some more feedback from more knowledgeable.

Yeah lets get some ideas for a video and I will make it happen. Best way to answer that question is video demonstration.

[WobblyPossum]

I like it and I second what JHC suggested regarding the undercut where your index finger would rest.

[FLC Knives]

I like it and I second what JHC suggested regarding the undercut where your index finger would rest.
Thanks DanM! Would pics in hand be helpful as well as video?

[WobblyPossum]

Sure. I'd definitely like to see what it actually looks like in use.


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[FLC Knives]

Sure. I'd definitely like to see what it actually looks like in use.
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Cool.
Pics and video coming shortly:)

[FLC Knives]

As promised.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/th_IMG_5301_zpsy8jqav7y.mp4 (http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5301_zpsy8jqav7y.mp4)

[FLC Knives]

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[FLC Knives]

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[FLC Knives]

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[FLC Knives]

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[FLC Knives]

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[DI1]

I like the overall design and especially use of 01 tool steel.
A few suggestions:
Full flat grind of blade, no recurve, I like the profile
More of a choil or guard to prevent the hand from slipping onto the edge as was mentioned
I looked at you photos and like the stippled/contoured micarta or G10 grips (can't tell what the actual material is in photo)
I have never been a fan of wrapped handles
Can you post more photos of the sheaths? Are they static cord only or are you incorporating a clip/belt loop?

Good luck with the design!

[FLC Knives]

I like the overall design and especially use of 01 tool steel.
A few suggestions:
Full flat grind of blade, no recurve, I like the profile
More of a choil or guard to prevent the hand from slipping onto the edge as was mentioned
I looked at you photos and like the stippled/contoured micarta or G10 grips (can't tell what the actual material is in photo)
I have never been a fan of wrapped handles
Can you post more photos of the sheaths? Are they static cord only or are you incorporating a clip/belt loop?

Good luck with the design!

Thanks for the kind words and suggestions DI1:)
Regarding your "full flat grind, no recurve" comment, why no recurve?
Increasing the surface area forward of the index finger to stop riding forward can create a "stripping" point if there's too much in that area. Is this a concern to you?
The textured handles are stippled black canvas micarta and factory textured black G-10. They do fill the hand nicely but are bulkier than the cord wrap.
It seems that people either love or hate cord wraps:)
I will post some pics of the sheaths. There are several versions. Static line, velcro for plate carrier and I'm working on 2 different belt clip variants.

[FLC Knives]

Here's a group shot.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5315_zpsb4ox11mi.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5315_zpsb4ox11mi.jpg.html)

[FLC Knives]

IWB static line.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5312_zpskjzhvswg.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5312_zpskjzhvswg.jpg.html)
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[FLC Knives]

Horizontal with ranger band using static line as a backup.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5314_zps3yapeexm.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5314_zps3yapeexm.jpg.html)
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[JHC]

Glorious. What does "stripping" point mean in the context of the index finger guard?

[FLC Knives]

One of the belt clip options I have been testing.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5310_zpstmnjmebt.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5310_zpstmnjmebt.jpg.html)
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[FLC Knives]

Glorious. What does "stripping" point mean in the context of the index finger guard?

If the area forward of the index finger sticks out enough to get caught on your gear/clothing or anything else that you are trying to cut it can get stripped from your hand in a dynamic situation.
It really comes down to a fine balance between having enough feature in place to create "stops" for your hand and not so much sticking out that you get hung up on things in use.

[DI1]

Thanks for the kind words and suggestions DI1:)
Regarding your "full flat grind, no recurve" comment, why no recurve?
Increasing the surface area forward of the index finger to stop riding forward can create a "stripping" point if there's too much in that area. Is this a concern to you?
The textured handles are stippled black canvas micarta and factory textured black G-10. They do fill the hand nicely but are bulkier than the cord wrap.
It seems that people either love or hate cord wraps:)
I will post some pics of the sheaths. There are several versions. Static line, velcro for plate carrier and I'm working on 2 different belt clip variants.

I don't think the recurve adds much to a well designed flat ground blade, especially a spear point. It is also harder to sharpen properly. I can sharpen standard grinds with a diafold card in the field pretty easily.

I would not be concerned as much with the blade being stripped as I would be with getting cut. A deeper finger choil would help alleviate that.

Slim G10 handles, sculpted or plain don't add much bulk and remain grippy without hanging up on your concealment garment as does paracord or epoxied wrap, are also easier on your skin if you are not wearing a base layer.

I prefer solid belt loop or Bladerigs (Tracker Dan) clips as they stay put under adverse conditions and do not release like most plastic j hooks.

Do you coat the 01 with any rust preventative?
In horizontal belt carry mode, does the knife (handle) print when covered with concealment garment?

[FLC Knives]

I don't think the recurve adds much to a well designed flat ground blade, especially a spear point. It is also harder to sharpen properly. I can sharpen standard grinds with a diafold card in the field pretty easily.

I would not be concerned as much with the blade being stripped as I would be with getting cut. A deeper finger choil would help alleviate that.

Slim G10 handles, sculpted or plain don't add much bulk and remain grippy without hanging up on your concealment garment as does paracord or epoxied wrap, are also easier on your skin if you are not wearing a base layer.

I prefer solid belt loop or Bladerigs (Tracker Dan) clips as they stay put under adverse conditions and do not release like most plastic j hooks.

Do you coat the 01 with any rust preventative?
In horizontal belt carry mode, does the knife (handle) print when covered with concealment garment?

Great questions/comments DI1.
I agree that a non-recurve is easier to sharpen. I have added this to my list of of items to review.
Regarding the deeper finger choil, did you see my video earlier in the thread? Either way, this has been added to my review list as well.
I also prefer the scales over the cord wrap. I haven't had any issues with the cord chaffing or catching garments. How does everyone else feel about this?
Solid belt loop as in a IWB loop? Tracker Dans clips are great and I have emailed him about them but have not heard back.
Have you played with the G-Code clips yet? They are holding up well in my testing so far.
I treat the O1 like a rifle. Bit of oil and wipe it down when your done. It will stain over time and with use. Many folks appreciate the patina it develops over time.
I'll post up some pics of the horizontal carry printing.

[FLC Knives]

Regarding the question about printing with horizontal carry.
I had to swap belts so I had a thinner buckle.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5318_zpsa7zegf5r.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5318_zpsa7zegf5r.jpg.html)
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[Attila]

Nice work! Did you heat treat yourself, or ship out?

The handle looks BIG. I prefer gutted paracord. The cord forms a more aggressive gripping texture that way, even without epoxy. I would also prefer a less swoopy or curvy back of the handle/thumb ramp.

Have you looked at other designs? It shares some elements with other combatives-oriented fixed blades.

[FLC Knives]

Nice work! Did you heat treat yourself, or ship out?

The handle looks BIG. I prefer gutted paracord. The cord forms a more aggressive gripping texture that way, even without epoxy. I would also prefer a less swoopy or curvy back of the handle/thumb ramp.

Have you looked at other designs? It shares some elements with other combatives-oriented fixed blades.

Hey Attila, Thank you for your comments. I heat treat in house these days with my nice shiny EvenHeat:) The gutted paracord is almost the slimmest profile it can get. How thick are your preferred handles? This wrap measures 5/16" around the edge and just a bit under 3/4" along the center.
Are you saying you would prefer a thumb scoop instead of a thumbramp? I have studied the combatives blades that appeal to me and my views. My views may be a bit different as I spent 6 years as a butcher among other things. My experiences have certainly shaped my perception:) It would be interesting to hear your thoughts regarding the similarities with other blades.

[Attila]

My opinions are worth the paper they come printed on here. :) With a 1/8" blade and gutted para, I can get a handle at or under 1/2" thickness.

I can see some butcher/utility influence in the handle shape. I don't know that I would prefer scoop over ramp, but most designs that suit me don't curve up and down that dramatically.

As far as similar blade designs: Dynamis for the thumb ramp and handle that narrows as it nears the blade. It also looks a little like the Joe Watson Archangel, bent straight at the guard. They're good designs and I'm not suggesting copying, etc. - just wondering if you have looked at how they solved certain design problems.

[DI1]

Thanks for posting photos of the horizontal carry, looks good.

Solid belt loop or "pull the dot" snap loop is what I meant regarding IWB loop.
I have tried the G-code clips, they are ok, waiting on it to fail...
If you contact Nick from Bladerigs, he will sell the steel clips separately.

I'll second Attila's comment on the Dynamis/Winkler thumb ramp, it is a good, clean design.

Look forward to seeing more blades from you.

[FLC Knives]

My opinions are worth the paper they come printed on here. :) With a 1/8" blade and gutted para, I can get a handle at or under 1/2" thickness.

I can see some butcher/utility influence in the handle shape. I don't know that I would prefer scoop over ramp, but most designs that suit me don't curve up and down that dramatically.

As far as similar blade designs: Dynamis for the thumb ramp and handle that narrows as it nears the blade. It also looks a little like the Joe Watson Archangel, bent straight at the guard. They're good designs and I'm not suggesting copying, etc. - just wondering if you have looked at how they solved certain design problems.

Thanks for your reply Attila, Ive had similar results with gutted paracord. Easy enough to do if someone needs it that way. Joes Archangel is the closest thing I could find on the net to my design. I'll have another look at the Dynamis blade to see what you mean.

[FLC Knives]

Thanks for posting photos of the horizontal carry, looks good.

Solid belt loop or "pull the dot" snap loop is what I meant regarding IWB loop.
I have tried the G-code clips, they are ok, waiting on it to fail...
If you contact Nick from Bladerigs, he will sell the steel clips separately.

I'll second Attila's comment on the Dynamis/Winkler thumb ramp, it is a good, clean design.

Look forward to seeing more blades from you.

Your welcome DI1, its a nice inexpensive option for those that prefer horizontal carry.
I have corresponded with Nick in the past, will look into the clip option.
I will also have another look around at thumb ramps.
The pull the dot loops do work well.
This is a quick mod I did to the index finger area.
Thoughts?
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5328_zpsdxvblf2d.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5328_zpsdxvblf2d.jpg.html)

[DI1]

Your welcome DI1, its a nice inexpensive option for those that prefer horizontal carry.
I have corresponded with Nick in the past, will look into the clip option.
I will also have another look around at thumb ramps.
The pull the dot loops do work well.
This is a quick mod I did to the index finger area.
Thoughts?
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5328_zpsdxvblf2d.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5328_zpsdxvblf2d.jpg.html)

That finger mod looks like it should work out well.

[FLC Knives]

That finger mod looks like it should work out well.

Cool!
I'll play with the thumb ramp next.
I do have a few other blades in testing at the moment;)

[FLC Knives]

Here's a quick thumb ramp mod.
I'm also thinking of getting a checkering file to add grip to this feature.
Thoughts?

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5330_zpsztdq4wf2.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5330_zpsztdq4wf2.jpg.html)

[Rich@CCC]

Deleted. Already addressed fully!

[FLC Knives]

Deleted. Already addressed fully!

Whatever it was I'm glad it fixed itself;)

[Rich@CCC]

It pays to read all 4 pages of the thread before typing a response!

[FLC Knives]

It pays to read all 4 pages of the thread before typing a response!

Yeah the info starts to get buried pretty quick:)

[DI1]

Here's a quick thumb ramp mod.
I'm also thinking of getting a checkering file to add grip to this feature.
Thoughts?

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5330_zpsztdq4wf2.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5330_zpsztdq4wf2.jpg.html)



That looks good as well. I personally like checkering on the thumb ramp

[FLC Knives]

That looks good as well. I personally like checkering on the thumb ramp

Cool! Sounds like things are coming together:)


I combined the 3 suggested profile modifications into one blade for easy viewing.

Mod 1 - create more positive "stop" for index finger.
(I like how this one turned out and it feels good)

Mod 2 - create more positive "stop" for the thumb.
(this one also turned out well and feels good)

Mod 3 - get rid of recurve to simplify sharpening process.
(this mod doesn't do anything for me personally as I don't mind sharpening the recurve)

I'd be interested in hearing what you guys think about the modifications from both a functional and aesthetic point of view.



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[WobblyPossum]

Wow. I like it a lot. I really like that you're willing to accept feedback and at least try out the changes people have suggested whether or not you like the ideas.

[aboveandbeyond]

I'll take one with a trainer whenever you want to sell!


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[FLC Knives]

Wow. I like it a lot. I really like that you're willing to accept feedback and at least try out the changes people have suggested whether or not you like the ideas.

Thanks for the kind words DanM! Collaboration is where it's at.

[FLC Knives]

I'll take one with a trainer whenever you want to sell!


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Thank you Sir.
PM coming your way.

[Attila]

That's a very clean blank. I don't think that the design would work for me personally but I like how you're doing it.

Do you grip with the blade pointing up or down? I think I may have been looking at this half wrong.

[DI1]

I really like the way it looks. Maybe a little less "belly" in the grip.
Let me know when you start selling these.

Thanks!

[FLC Knives]

That's a very clean blank. I don't think that the design would work for me personally but I like how you're doing it.

Do you grip with the blade pointing up or down? I think I may have been looking at this half wrong.

Attila, the blade is designed for hammer grip edge forward and icepick grip edge forward.
I can post some pics tomorrow of it in hand if it would help clarify?

[FLC Knives]

I really like the way it looks. Maybe a little less "belly" in the grip.
Let me know when you start selling these.

Thanks!

Thanks DI1, I'll send you a PM with details.

[Rich@CCC]

I'm with you on the blade belly, I'd keep it. I like the more pronounced finger choil but I'd go back to original thumb ramp and add some aggressive jimping.

The real question is how "custom" is your operation? Are you going to send these out to be water jetted or will you be cutting the blanks in house?

I'd be interested in a blade blank(ground and treated but not finished) when you go into production if that's something you'd do.

[FLC Knives]

I'm with you on the blade belly, I'd keep it. I like the more pronounced finger choil but I'd go back to original thumb ramp and add some aggressive jimping.

The real question is how "custom" is your operation? Are you going to send these out to be water jetted or will you be cutting the blanks in house?

I'd be interested in a blade blank(ground and treated but not finished) when you go into production if that's something you'd do.

Thanks for the feedback Rich@CCC, Yeah I still prefer the recurve. The original thumb ramp was also more pleasing to my eye but handling it I am growing fonder of the new thumb ramp by the minute. Its looking like this could turn into an option A, B or C kind of deal and I'm OK with that. The tool needs to work for the end user. That's the bottom line. None of these changes pose any type of concern to me. They are just slightly different than the way I would do things in a vacuum:)

I had another thought this morning about getting a bit more depth in that index finger area.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5333_zpsdjxf8g36.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5333_zpsdjxf8g36.jpg.html)

[FLC Knives]

Hey Guys,
I have been playing with several slight profile modifications based on feedback received. I will likely offer this in 3 configurations to suit the end user.
Which mods do you guys like or dislike and why?

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[Attila]

FLC, I actually like that black blank marked "original" better than the others. The more pronounced finger stop on the fourth one is nice also.

As I look at it more, I like the overall blade shape and angle but I don't care for the really prominent bulge in the middle of the handle. I might feel differently if I were to handle it, but it's not just a 'looks' thing. The insides of my knuckles are flatter than that when curled into a fist or grip.

I'm impressed by how quickly you're iterating these.

[FLC Knives]

FLC, I actually like that black blank marked "original" better than the others. The more pronounced finger stop on the fourth one is nice also.

As I look at it more, I like the overall blade shape and angle but I don't care for the really prominent bulge in the middle of the handle. I might feel differently if I were to handle it, but it's not just a 'looks' thing. The insides of my knuckles are flatter than that when curled into a fist or grip.

I'm impressed by how quickly you're iterating these.

Thanks for the feedback Attila,
As much as I still really like the original the improved thumb ramp and deepened index finger stop are growing on me. The removal of the recurve is a hard one for me to accept but making it easier for the end user to resharpen is a big bonus.
Regarding the prominent bulge in the center of the grip, your not alone in your thoughts there. (I'm going to rethink this one a bit and see what I come up with) The reasoning for its existence is hard to explain but I'll give it a shot. If you hold a round object in your hand it can be easily rotated and there's no orienting feature to tell you where the edge is. A narrow rectangular object is only slightly better. By increasing the width to thickness ratio the handle is more stable and orients more strongly in the hand and is harder to move out of that orientation. Does that make any sense?
Thanks for the appreciating my efforts!

[FLC Knives]

In response to posts 47 and 53 regarding the belly in the handle.
I'm hoping this sketch can help us talk about it.
What profile here do you guys view as more "correct" to your way of thinking?

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5337_zpscbceqwbo.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5337_zpscbceqwbo.jpg.html)

[DI1]

I think "B" is the winner.

[FLC Knives]

I think "B" is the winner.
Thanks DI1. That gives me something quite specific to go on.
I'm curious what everyone else thinks?

[OnionsAndDragons]

It's hard for me to say surely without handling it, but my gut says B as well.


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[FLC Knives]

It's hard for me to say surely without handling it, but my gut says B as well.


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Thanks OnionsAndDragons, I will fit one of the "B" profiles in Monday and give it a go.

[23JAZ]

Hi Guys,
I hope this is the right place to post this.
What I'm looking for is comments, criticisms and feedback regarding how YOU think this blade could be improved.

Specs.
1/8" thick O1 with the heat treat scale left on.
Paracord wrapped handle in the Strider style but sealed with epoxy. (Strider Knives is one of my primary influences)
Kydex sheath set up for IWB static line carry or kangaroo pouch on plate carrier with addition of velcro.

Background.
This design began life as a Mora Companion (one of my favorites!)
In the end I modded the heck out of my Mora until I had to add material in 3 areas.
If your familiar with the Companion you'll see what I mean.
The blade profile is also slightly modified.
My goal was to retain the original utility I had come to enjoy with the original but to optimize the blade for combative applications.
I realize this is an area that can be a great source of debate so lets please not go into that here
Hit me up with PM though if you wish to chat about it!

Thanks for looking guys!


http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/_DSC0806_zpsqhuul6dx.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/_DSC0806_zpsqhuul6dx.jpg.html)
Looks great. What is the OAL and blade length?

[FLC Knives]

Looks great. What is the OAL and blade length?

Thanks Jay23!
Overall length is 8" and the blade is 3 and 3/4" long.

[Attila]

I'd agree with B profile as well.

You have a good point re: using the shape of the handle to help determine and reinforce edge orientation. If it's carried in a sheath consistently, it won't be a problem. I'm eager to see your results.

[FLC Knives]

I'd agree with B profile as well.

You have a good point re: using the shape of the handle to help determine and reinforce edge orientation. If it's carried in a sheath consistently, it won't be a problem. I'm eager to see your results.

Thanks for the feedback Attila, In my hand it works well and fills the hollow created behind my middle and index fingers middle knuckles as they start to close. It would be interesting to know if this is a common thing among hands or perhaps something your born with or something created by occupational influences? When your hand starts to close is there a valley formed across the backs of your middle knuckles?

Regarding results, I will have a modded blank posted up here late Monday.

[FLC Knives]

As mentioned in my last post, #63, I will be posting the most recent modification up late Monday, November 23.
After that I will be doing my best to finish these blanks of the original profile along with the matching trainers.
Anybody that wants the original profile please let me know as my attention will quickly be shifting to playing with some of the modified profiles.

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[aboveandbeyond]

Just wondering, how is O1 with rust? I know O1 requires some patina for it be somewhat rust resistant.

I live in Kentucky and the humidity and my sweat do not go very well together

[Rich@CCC]

a&b,
I use Renaissance wax on my tool steel blades.

[FLC Knives]

Just wondering, how is O1 with rust? I know O1 requires some patina for it be somewhat rust resistant.

I live in Kentucky and the humidity and my sweat do not go very well together


a&b,
I use Renaissance wax on my tool steel blades.

Yeah the O1 can rust if you don't treat it like a rifle. Wipe it down and oil it when your done. It will develope a patina over time with use. I have been toying with the idea of offering black oxide.
How do you guys feel about the black oxide finish?

I have never used the Ren Wax before but plan to try it.

[FLC Knives]

Hey Guys,
Here's the latest mod.
It's not bad, but I feel that the full sized belly fit my hand better. I guess you could say it feels more conventional in hand.
I'm looking forward to hearing what you guys think.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5345_zpsdsgyuvh4.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5345_zpsdsgyuvh4.jpg.html)




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[FLC Knives]

Hey Guys,
I've been testing the various profiles and have come to my own conclusions that I'm more than happy to discuss and hear your thoughts about.
In my opinion the modded thumb ramp rocks and is a keeper. That being said the original profile thumb ramp works for its intended purpose and is well suited to those that would appreciate a more subtle design aesthetic.
The most recent mod to the index finger stop is also a solid improvement. As has been pointed out it can jab your palm if you use this RGEI. The original profile pokes the palm less if your concerned with possibly needing to run RGEI. This blade does not shine when run RGEI but it can be done in a pinch. I have plans to make one with the opposite side sharpened and try it out.
The recurve and non recurve will both be available as options as I believe its a valuable option for those that require the easier to sharpen blade shape.
Regarding the handle belly, my testing tells me that the original profile is more secure in hand and causes less hand fatigue in use than the B profile. This is a bit of a hard one because we all have slightly different hands and preferences. I'm open to this being an option as well.
Because we all love pics here's the WIP pics from when I finished up the 2 test blades I used to compare the handle belly profiles in use.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w401/FLCKnives/IMG_5352_zpsvl0wecui.jpg (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/FLCKnives/media/IMG_5352_zpsvl0wecui.jpg.html)

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[FLC Knives]

Just an FYI guys, I have a sub-forum now in the Supporting Business section:)

[CSW]

I like it much. Could you put more dramatic undercut on the bottom fingerguard for more insurance of not slipping forward in a stab to hardness? Like where ones index finger runs into a hook sort of barrier?

I love spear points. Looks like utility than can fight.

This!

And would you offer G10 or a linen Micarta scale?

[FLC Knives]

This!

And would you offer G10 or a linen Micarta scale?

Thanks for chiming in Glockcoma, theres been 2 mods to the index finger stop since the JHC post you referenced. They show up in posts 32, 51, 52 and in 69 they are brought to life in a pair of trainers I used to pressure test the modification.
I'm quite pleased with the outcome and would be interested in hearing your opinion. G-10 and Micarta are available.

[CSW]

Yup, my bad, I should have read thru the entire thread.;)
PM inbound.

[FLC Knives]

Yup, my bad, I should have read thru the entire thread.;)
PM inbound.
No worries Glockorama! PM heading your way.

[FLC Knives]

Hey Guys,
I've posted up the Group Buy over on my sub-forum.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?18145-Group-Buy-Signup-for-FLC-Knives-quot-F-quot-Series-Knife-Training-Package&p=376725#post376725

[FLC Knives]

Hey Guys,
I've been sick for the last week or so and had lots of time to think about the various projects I'm working on.
What has occurred to me is that I may be going about all of this the wrong way. My primary objective is to learn and evolve so that I can make good tools for peacemakers. Money is secondary, I already have a full time job.
So what I'm asking for is more feedback, this time in regards to how I approach the business end of things. I'm not here to push a particular product but what I would like to know is if anyone is interested in the knife design you guys have been so helpful in improving?
If so, great. If not, that's great too because we then know what not to do and can move on from there. Do you guys like the idea of having an idea pitched on the forum, giving design feedback and then getting first chance to purchase at a reduced rate through a group buy? I'd be happy to run all my designs that way as you guys have been super helpful and its a fun way to offer you something in return for what you helped create.
I hope that I have succeeded in putting into words what I'm trying to say in a way that will be received the way its intended.
Thank you for your time.


Edited to ad: please help me understand what you, the end user wants so I can better serve the peacemaker community.

[JM Campbell]

Some food for thought, posting 3 times in 3 threads the exact same thing (Reguardless of your section or not) will make it extremely hard to accumulate feed back on designs.



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[OnionsAndDragons]

Lol. Agreed.

I replied in one of them. Maybe just edit 2 of them down to a summary and link to the last.


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[FLC Knives]

Some food for thought, posting 3 times in 3 threads the exact same thing (Reguardless of your section or not) will make it extremely hard to accumulate feed back on designs.

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Thanks for pointing that out. I'll try to keep things more focused:)

[FLC Knives]

Lol. Agreed.

I replied in one of them. Maybe just edit 2 of them down to a summary and link to the last.
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Yeah I can see what you guys are saying:) I'll definitely work on it. This is all good stuff you guys are pointing out and I appreciate it. I'm here to improve and if I need to hear I'm doing something silly or wrong then so be it.

[FLC Knives]

My 20 LPI checkering file finally arrived.
Now to get good at using it!
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[FLC Knives]

I spent some time with the checkering file last night and am pleased with the results. 20 lines per inch (00 cut) is the right blend between grip and shred. Next step is to test it out in steel and make sure the added stress risers don't cause a failure point.

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[FLC Knives]

To better answer some of the questions I have received about what a IWB static line sheath is I put a couple of videos up on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Gguw2kKRk4e7BHejD0bVQ