TruGlo TFX Pro sights

[JodyH]

I'm very interested in seeing how the TruGlo TFX Pro sights look.
Before I pull the trigger on some, anyone here have a set?
I've heard the TFX hold up better than the old TFO's and the Pro now has a contrasting orange outline.

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[Pennzoil]

I have a set made for Glockmiester that I've been using for a short while.

One of the guys I train with used them in a class or two we both attended. Then I put a set on my 19 painted front sight orange blacked out rear with sharpie. No issues so far. Most recently used them in Tom Givens Combative Pistol Last month.

http://www.glockmeister.com/Glockmeister-TRUGLO-Tactical-Sight-65mm/productinfo/GMTS01/

[GJM]

Look interesting -- where can you buy the Pro model (don't see them for sale)?

[JodyH]

So far only found the Pro in stock on their web store at full MSRP of $186.
I'm hoping they roll out to some discount vendors soon in the <$150 range.

[JodyH]

The TFX is supposed to be fully sealed in sapphire capped vials so they're solvent proof unlike the more fragile TFO fiber optic tubes.

[JodyH]

Installed mine today.

Initial impressions:
Very high quality sights, install took minimal fitting. Much slicker install than my HD's or Dawsons (and way better than Heinie).

Front is 0.155" wide.
Rear notch is 0.160" wide.

Both the fiber optic and the tritium are bright without being overpowering.

Haven't made it to the range yet to see what elevation looks like.
Elevation ratio is exactly the same as the Trijicon HD's (rear +0.012) so they should shoot to the same POA/POI as the HD's.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/19/5667cc2f583cfcd66f9317430617f397.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/19/b6ba6d26e1e50a438e9d5e2aa4f5478f.jpg

[GJM]

That pistol looks vaguely familiar, but where is the hammer?

[JodyH]

Hammer fell off.
Getting ready for a "Mano y Mano" steel shoot off in December and I can mow down steel faster with the VP9 than I can the P2K.

[JodyH]

Only thing I'd change on these sights would be some dim yellow rear fiber optics/tritium instead of the green.
I'll see how they work on the range and maybe dim them up with a Sharpie if needed.

[11B10]

Please keep us posted - I am very interested in these sights, Sir.

[GJM]

Did you pay FFR, or find a better deal than their website? Do they make them for the P2000?

[JodyH]

Did you pay FFR, or find a better deal than their website? Do they make them for the P2000?
No Yes No

I got a very nice hookup on price through a friend of a friend, but they should be out on the open market for less than MSRP soon.
No P2000 sights, only P30/VP/45C.
If these work out I'll be getting some for my PPS as well. The HD's on the PPS are tall and have stupidly sharp edges and corners (bad combination), they're so bad I went with XS sights on my carry PPS to save my skin and T-shirts (both of which were getting holes cut into them).

[Whiskey_Bravo]

$150+ is a lot of money to pay to still have to color over with marker. Then again, I completely understand your issues with the sharp edges/corners on the HD's.

[JodyH]

Pretty much every $150 set of sights has something that needs tweaking, a Sharpie swipe across the rear dots is pretty easy (and common).

[GRV]

We really need to get some P-F custom sights made up :rolleyes:

[JodyH]

Yea, if anybody has come to a consensus on the best sights it's this forum...

[BobLoblaw]

Yea, if anybody has come to a consensus on the best sights it's this forum...

A pre-coffee laugh. Props.

[peterb]

Pretty much every $150 set of sights has something that needs tweaking, a Sharpie swipe across the rear dots is pretty easy (and common).

The front looks interesting. I don't like fiber optics on a rear sight --in good light, I want any dots to be as inconspicuous as possible.

If they start selling the front alone -- especially with a red or orange fiber -- I might be tempted.

[MGW]

No Yes No

I got a very nice hookup on price through a friend of a friend, but they should be out on the open market for less than MSRP soon.
No P2000 sights, only P30/VP/45C.
If these work out I'll be getting some for my PPS as well. The HD's on the PPS are tall and have stupidly sharp edges and corners (bad combination), they're so bad I went with XS sights on my carry PPS to save my skin and T-shirts (both of which were getting holes cut into them).

Big dot or standard dot? How are they working out?

[JodyH]

Big dot or standard dot? How are they working out?
Big Dot.
They work just fine, but then again I shot XS sights for several years so they aren't a mystery to me.
I was 6 out of 8 on a 10" plate at 50Y with my PPS when was checking them for windage the other day.
I was planning on doing a video of shooting the XS at 50Y so I can show it every time someone says they aren't good beyond 7 yards.
Maybe I'll do that Sunday, tomorrow is going to be windy (25+mph) and cold (high in the low 40's) neither of which are conducive to 50Y shooting.

[breakingtime91]

Big Dot.
They work just fine, but then again I shot XS sights for several years so they aren't a mystery to me.
I was 6 out of 8 on a 10" plate at 50Y with my PPS when was checking them for windage the other day.
I was planning on doing a video of shooting the XS at 50Y so I can show it every time someone says they aren't good beyond 7 yards.
Maybe I'll do that Sunday, tomorrow is going to be windy (25+mph) and cold (high in the low 40's) neither of which are conducive to 50Y shooting.

didn't chuck say he used xs big dots for awhile?

[MGW]

Big Dot.
They work just fine, but then again I shot XS sights for several years so they aren't a mystery to me.
I was 6 out of 8 on a 10" plate at 50Y with my PPS when was checking them for windage the other day.
I was planning on doing a video of shooting the XS at 50Y so I can show it every time someone says they aren't good beyond 7 yards.
Maybe I'll do that Sunday, tomorrow is going to be windy (25+mph) and cold (high in the low 40's) neither of which are conducive to 50Y shooting.

Would like to see that video when you get a chance. I don't think I would want them on my 19 but they might be an option when the PPS gets here.

[Edwin]

Holy crap, TruGlo makes a TFX Pro fiber optic front for the PX4. Sold.

[JodyH]

Hit the range today.
Straight off I'll say Trijicon HD's are better sights.
But...
The TFX Pro's are a dang good alternative if HD's aren't available or the HD's for your particular pistol suck (*cough* PPS *cough*).
The Tritium glows great under no light and along with the fiber optic shows up well under moderate light, during the day it's typical bright fiber optic goodness.
They are typical "drive the dot" POA/POI inside 7Y, "top center of the front blade" out to 35Y and "Lollipop" at 50Y. Just like my HD's.

If I was designing these sights to be perfect (and to dethrone the HD's) I'd rework the rear sight to have smaller diameter dim yellow fiber optic/tritium.
As is, all three dots are the same size and same brightness and the front just does not stand out like it should (and HD's do).

I plan on buying 3 more sets of TFX Pro's, 2 for my Walther PPS's and one for my Kahr PM9.
But on my H&K's I'll just keep my orange HD's (except the VP9 that's currently wearing the TFX's). They aren't good enough to replace existing HD's, but they also aren't "bad" enough to replace with HD's.

[JodyH]

Would like to see that video when you get a chance. I don't think I would want them on my 19 but they might be an option when the PPS gets here.
After playing with the TFX Pro's, I'd go with them over the HD's or the XS on a PPS.

[frankepc]

So what would you recommend for a G19?
CAP, the new TFO’s, XS or the HD’s

[JodyH]

I have Ameriglo Hackathorn's on my Glocks, because they were the best thing going back when I was shooting Glocks. My knowledge of current Glock options is limited.

[BamBam70]

I just picked up a VP9 and its a keeper. I've never spent the dough to replace my stock sights, but I'm going to with this one. Jody, for a HD gun, would you go with the TFxPros or the HDs if you were having to make the choice for your main weapon? Thanks!

[landsharkleather]

Will these work on a p30?

[JodyH]

I just picked up a VP9 and its a keeper. I've never spent the dough to replace my stock sights, but I'm going to with this one. Jody, for a HD gun, would you go with the TFxPros or the HDs if you were having to make the choice for your main weapon? Thanks!
On the VP9 I've been using the TFX Pros on my carry pistol because of their lower profile and smoother edges.
The HD's are good sights for the VP9 since they don't have as sharp of edges on them as the PPS HD's do.
It's a toss up as to which look better to your eyes.

[JodyH]

Will these work on a p30?
yes

[_JD_]

Just ordered a set of the Pros for my Glock 17, under $130. Most of my HKs are wearing HDs. My LS is ready for the Heinies to be replaced but wasn't sure if I wanted to do the new EZ Fit Ledge or HDs or something else.

I really like the way the HDs pop on over cast days but also really like fiber optic fronts when there's enough light.

[JodyH]

So far I've installed four sets of these sights on everything from H&K's to Walthers to Kahrs and they are the best installing sights I've ever done.
Their tolerances are perfect, minimal fitting and a few medium taps with a hammer and nylon punch and they slide right into place.
Tight enough they aren't going to move unless you move them, yet you don't spend an hour with a file trying to make them fit without cracking the slide (*cough* Heinie *cough*).

[_JD_]

Just got my sights mounted, very easy indeed..

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[SteveB]

Thanks to Jody for this tip. I was lukewarm about the Trijicon white ring front sight I had on my P2000, replaced it with the TFX Pro; the combo really works for me:

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I like it so much, I wanted to get these sights for my PPS, only to find out that Jody bought them all. Got any spares, dude?

[Chuck Haggard]

didn't chuck say he used xs big dots for awhile?

I did, for several years.


Using them in this pic, while at a TDSA-Tulsa class we hosted locally, on steel at the 125 yard line;
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[Chuck Haggard]

Pretty much every $150 set of sights has something that needs tweaking, a Sharpie swipe across the rear dots is pretty easy (and common).

When toning down rear tritium I prefer to use a red Sharpie vs the commonly used black Sharpie, this tones down the glow nicely and gives a contrasting color, without killing visibility of the tritium too much.

[_JD_]

Couldn't color the rear dots, too recessed in the sight. Filled dots with China marker, poked pinholes down to the rubes and then sealed with matte clear nail polish. Will see how that works and widen the holes as needed.

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[98z28]

I did, for several years.


Using them in this pic, while at a TDSA-Tulsa class we hosted locally, on steel at the 125 yard line;
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XS sights on a Glock at 125 yards? Unpossible. The Internet tells me that you shouldn't be able to hit paper at ten yards with that setup. [emoji6]

[GJM]

XS sights on a Glock at 125 yards? Unpossible. The Internet tells me that you shouldn't be able to hit paper at ten yards with that setup. [emoji6]

The craziest part is he was shooting at the one inch square below the top left two inch circle. Here is his group. Do you think he needs more finger on the trigger -- see that one shot to the left?

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image.jpg1_zpsyqmk1uja.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image.jpg1_zpsyqmk1uja.jpg.html)

[spinmove_]

The craziest part is he was shooting at the one inch square below the top left two inch circle. Here is his group. Do you think he needs more finger on the trigger -- see that one shot to the left?

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image.jpg1_zpsyqmk1uja.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image.jpg1_zpsyqmk1uja.jpg.html)

So...let me get this straight...he shot a Glock 17 (looks like a G17 anywho) with XS Big Dots at the tiny square under the "A" circle from 125 yds away and produced a group that size?

[GJM]

So...let me get this straight...he shot a Glock 17 (looks like a G17 anywho) with XS Big Dots at the tiny square under the "A" circle from 125 yds away and produced a group that size?

Haggard is a special snowflake.

[spinmove_]

Haggard is a special snowflake.

Man, I wanna be that special. Seriously, that's fantastic shooting. Not that I was worrying about what sights are on my guns, but I'm even less worried than before now. Guess I need to get back to practicing.

[GJM]

Man, I wanna be that special. Seriously, that's fantastic shooting. Not that I was worrying about what sights are on my guns, but I'm even less worried than before now. Guess I need to get back to practicing.

I was just funin'. However, if anyone can do that, Chuck can.

[GJM]

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[Shotgun]

Has anyone had any trouble with the fiber optic rods popping out of the the TFXs?

[JodyH]

Has anyone had any trouble with the fiber optic rods popping out of the the TFXs?
Not the TFX's, the TFO's are notorious for that though. The TFX have sealed vials with caps around the rods.

[Shotgun]

Not the TFX's, the TFO's are notorious for that though. The TFX have sealed vials with caps around the rods.

Thanks. I have TruGlos on a couple of shotguns. They are very bright. Three green dots seems a little much and I understand those wanting to break out a sharpie. The owner of TruGlo shoots at the same club I do. I'm going to ask about orange or yellow being used on the rear sights. Just guessing, but there may not be enough demand to have different configurations of the TFX made -- all green makes it easy to bring to market.

[GJM]

For $189 a set for the PPS, the company should almost send you an employee to pick up your brass and tape your targets.

[vcdgrips]

Jody H et al.,

Bottom Line Are the TFX's ready for prime time relative to the VCD/Haggard/Predator set up of the .140 orange Ameriglo Front with the .180 Pro Operator rear?

[Cecil Burch]

Haggard is a special snowflake.

Chuck can shoot.

I hate him.

[_JD_]

Jody H et al.,

Bottom Line Are the TFX's ready for prime time relative to the VCD/Haggard/Predator set up of the .140 orange Ameriglo Front with the .180 Pro Operator rear?
Maybe. I spent a good chunk of time looking at Ameriglo's website to see if there was a rear I liked better and I might give a single green dot rear a try, I keep seeing pics of a single yellow but that isn't in the 2015 catalog / item list.

I've got to get more love fire time in with the sights but so far they seem pretty solid.

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[JodyH]

I'm not really the guy to go to for getting into the minutia of sights.
My criteria for sights is basically can I see them? Can I hit shit with them? Are they no snag for carry?
If it's yes to all three I'll make it work.

[Red7]

Hey Jody and others....how do you find the orange circle on the TFX pros compares to the white circle on the regular TFX? Since a lot of PPQ/P99 sights work on the PPS I bought a set of the TFX pros to put on my PPS but the longer front sight won't work. But I just got a P99 AS and PPQ 45 so I slapped the front TFX pro on P99 (with crappy stock rear) to try out and I noticed the orange ring was nearly invisible in the low light of the indoor range. In contrast the large white dot on the stock PPS sight popped a lot more in the low light which makes me wonder if the white painted ring on the regular TFX wouldn't stand out more in low light situations. In bright light the Pros FO are great and in near darkness the Pros tritium pops but in lower light at that range, the TFX pros seem no better than Trijicons or other tritium dots since that orange circle just doesn't stand out. I wish Truglo sold just the front sight so I could try out the white ring to compare. Thanks!

[spinmove_]

Hey Jody and others....how do you find the orange circle on the TFX pros compares to the white circle on the regular TFX? Since a lot of PPQ/P99 sights work on the PPS I bought a set of the TFX pros to put on my PPS but the longer front sight won't work. But I just got a P99 AS and PPQ 45 so I slapped the front TFX pro on P99 (with crappy stock rear) to try out and I noticed the orange ring was nearly invisible in the low light of the indoor range. In contrast the large white dot on the stock PPS sight popped a lot more in the low light which makes me wonder if the white painted ring on the regular TFX wouldn't stand out more in low light situations. In bright light the Pros FO are great and in near darkness the Pros tritium pops but in lower light at that range, the TFX pros seem no better than Trijicons or other tritium dots since that orange circle just doesn't stand out. I wish Truglo sold just the front sight so I could try out the white ring to compare. Thanks!

I think what you're experiencing isn't really indicative of TFX sights so much as the color spectrum and how it reacts to light in general. I've noticed on a couple of sets of sights now that have an orange front (instead of white or other colors) that they disappear in low light sooner than white. It's one of the reasons why I'm looking at swapping the sights on my Shield from what they are now to something that has a White/Green/Yellow front sight.

[Red7]

I think what you're experiencing isn't really indicative of TFX sights so much as the color spectrum and how it reacts to light in general. I've noticed on a couple of sets of sights now that have an orange front (instead of white or other colors) that they disappear in low light sooner than white. It's one of the reasons why I'm looking at swapping the sights on my Shield from what they are now to something that has a White/Green/Yellow front sight.

Yes, that's what I'm thinking that the white ring would do a little better in lower light situations such as indoor ranges. I called Truglo to find out if I could switch out the Orange TFX Pro front sight for the White TFX front sight but they can't do that. He wouldn't admit it but I got the idea that they may be coming out with white pros in the near future. I'd like to buy 3-4 sets but don't want to do that until I know if the white ones show up better in low light. Hopefully, someone who has shot both the TFX and TFX pros can chime in. My guess is orange is better in bright light and white better in low light. These are sweet sights none the less.

[Jay Cunningham]

They need to come out with TFX Pros with a white ring up front and yellow fibers on the rear with shaded top light windows. Just a hint of yellow dots in daylight and tritium fueled yellow dots in low light. Keep the green fiber up front.

[GJM]

They need to come out with TFX Pros with a white ring up front and yellow fibers on the rear with shaded top light windows. Just a hint of yellow dots in daylight and tritium fueled yellow dots in low light. Keep the green fiber up front.

Can Tom make that variation for you on his 3D printer?

[KeeFus]

Ive installed a few of those for Grizzly21. He is a Glock fanboy...

Anyway, they look pretty good. If you are LE you can email the company and get the TFX Pro's for ~$108.72.

[VW.45]

I have these on my mod.2 .45. Best sights I have ever used. I can see them perfectly, in any lighting condition. They really work well for the type of training/practice that I do. Which is 2-3 heart & head shots, or panic mag dumps, all from drawing. These "drills" involve looking over the sights, using a combo of my perifial vision/point shooting. The brightness stands out very well using them like this. This usually gives me 5" groups, or smaller. If I actually look through them, I can drive tacks out to 20 yrds. Most of my training is inside of 15 yds, although the sights still perform perfectly out to 50 yrds (I don't shoot pistols past 50).

[rjohnson4405]

Why train point shooting at close distance?

In other words, why not practice using the sights at all distances? Even new shooters can mag dump on a silhouette at 5 yards without the sights.

Or maybe I'm not understanding your practice fully. Are you getting better? How do you know?

I'm not seeing the point in practicing without really seeing the sights, but maybe you have a reason I hadn't considered.

[VW.45]

As far as I know, point shooting is for close ranges? I am still using the sights, just looking over them. I am improving, when I started running these drills I was on the silloette, but about a 10" group and slow. Now I get 5" or less groupings, with me pulling the trigger as fast as I can on mag dumps (9-14 round mags).

[rjohnson4405]

So maybe it's a terminology thing but my understanding of point shooting is point the gun and shoot, see no sights.

So you're focusing on the target but trying to use the sights in your peripheral or lower part of your vision? That seems like it would be much slower/harder than just putting the sights up and using them.

If you're doing traditional point shooting of not using the sights there's really no reason to practice it. You're just pointing the gun and pulling the trigger, there is no visual feedback to adjust to.

I've probably diverted this thread enough...

[Jay Cunningham]

This may be better split off from this thread.

[VW.45]

Kind of hard to describe what I'm doing when shooting. Arms extended, both eyes open, looking directly over the sights ( like 1/4-1/2" above). If you was to stand there and watch you would think I was looking through the sights. This method is very effective, very fast, and very accurate for me at least. I keep a very good sight picture, as well as the surroundings, i.e. no tunnel vision. Point shooting is nice too, I can still see the green out of my perifial for hip shots.

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From TruGlo
For the TFX and TFX Pro series sights, all fiber-optic components are green. Yellow is too dim to be practical for a front sight and no other colors will illuminate with tritium technology.

[Jay Cunningham]

https://www.truglo.com/firearms-handgun/brite-site-tritium-pro-handgun-sights.asp?catid=E5FDB84FE8F74C239330C1841BDD3D5E

https://www.truglo.com/images/T-Pro_Ad.JPG

[Jay Cunningham]

http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/TrugloART.png

[spinmove_]

Interesting. Basically HDs with a white ring front. What are the sight dimensions?


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[Jay Cunningham]

There's no tritium quite like Swiss tritium.

[spinmove_]

What if I want German tritium? I hear it's over-engineered more better.


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[11B10]

I've had the TRUGLO TFX PROS on my Sig P320 Compact for well over a year, green - front and rear. The green front was not near as good in the daytime as it was at night, so...I added the Dave Spaulding front sight treatment - using neon orange duct tape. GTG in the daytime now - that did the trick for me and my aging eyes.

[GJM]

I've had the TRUGLO TFX PROS on my Sig P320 Compact for well over a year, green - front and rear. The green front was not near as good in the daytime as it was at night, so...I added the Dave Spaulding front sight treatment - using neon orange duct tape. GTG in the daytime now - that did the trick for me and my aging eyes.

Picture?

[Jay Cunningham]

I've had the TRUGLO TFX PROS on my Sig P320 Compact for well over a year, green - front and rear. The green front was not near as good in the daytime as it was at night, so...I added the Dave Spaulding front sight treatment - using neon orange duct tape. GTG in the daytime now - that did the trick for me and my aging eyes.

I'm not a fan of orange - that's why I use the TFX front with the white ring.

In bright sunlight fluorescent orange looks good but it gets non-distinct real quick in dimmer light.

[GRV]

There's no tritium quite like Swiss tritium.

Really, all Swiss hydrogen is outstanding across the board.

[Jay Cunningham]

I sent the following communication to TruGlo:


Hello,

My name is Jay Cunningham; I am a firearms instructor and avid shooter.

I've been experimenting with your sights and just saw your new TRITIUM PRO offering.

I'd like to make a suggestion which I believe will sell you lots of units:

Pair your new TRITIUM PRO rear (except build it using YELLOW lamps) with a TFX front (tritium/fiber and WHITE focus ring).

Regards,

Jay Cunningham
Protective Shooting Concepts

[That Guy]

I use the TFX front with the white ring.

How is that front sight working for you? Does it seem durable in the long run?



So, I'm still dithering about with regards to sights to my PX4. In the meantime I've been using the stock sights of course. Especially in the room I dry practice in, I don't really like them - the sight picture is basically black on black in half of the room. But when I zap the front sight with my flashlight, for the next ten minutes or so I really like those sights. That big shiny green dot really helps me see where my sights are at, at speed. But of course it requires charging the front sight with a flashlight, and the effect lasts for only about ten minutes, so it's not very practical... However, I was wondering if the sight picture with the Truglo front sight would be similar, except the shiny green thing would always be shiny?

(Of course Truglo only sells front sights so that doesn't solve the problem that the rear sight doesn't have tritium in it for low light.... Still though. The idea of a durable combination fiber optic / tritium front sight has really started to intrigue me.)

[Jay Cunningham]

How is that front sight working for you? Does it seem durable in the long run?

Yes, it's been durable through harsh conditions.

[That Guy]

Today I got a TruGlo FX front sight mounted onto the slide of my PX4, and did a little bit of dry fire with it. I must say, I was hoping for better low light performance.

When standing in the room I normally dry practice in just about underneath the lamp in the ceiling, the green dot on the sight is nice and bright. However, after moving to a darker area of the room, the fiber does very little to gather light - it's basically a black on black sight picture like the stock sight. And switching the lights off, the tritium is much dimmer than the few years old Trijicon HD's on my Walther. With the TFX, I can kind of see the green dot. With the HD's, absolutely no problem seeing nice and bright dots.

The white ring around the fiber does seem to stand out a bit better than the luminescent paint on the stock front sight, so there is that. And with enough surrounding light, the front sight does seem to work very well.

[That Guy]

First range trip today. The sky was covered by heavy clouds and it was oppressively humid - I kept waiting for pouring rain to start but for some reason it never went above a light mist. Anyways, definitely a day when clear lenses are swapped for the eye pro.

The fiber optic never seemed particularly bright. I could tell it was there, but compared to how well the white ring on the sight was visible, it didn't seem to bring much to add to the sight picture. On the other hand, once back home I tested covering the fiber optic, and while it is a bit dim, there was a definite impact on how visible the front sight is during rapid sight acquisition. Kind of surprised how big of an effect it turned out to be - it sure doesn't seem like it before you try covering the port on the top of the sight. Kind of like a well adjusted subwoofer then - you don't really notice it's there until you try switching it off; and then you realize how big of a difference it makes. :)

Ammunition for today was Magtech 9mm subsonic, and ranges I shot from were 10 meters and the maximum for that particular pit, about 28 meters? (Forgot to measure it.) Point of impact seemed to be right on the top of the sight at ~28m and drive-the-dot at 10m, which worked very well for me. I shot 3x5" post-it notes from both distances for accuracy, as well as Mozambique Drills from 10 meters. At no point did the front sight particularly jump out at me (the way a Trijicon HD front sight does in bright daylight), on the other hand I never felt I needed to slow down or pause in order to see where the front sight is, either (which is something that can happen to me with a plain black front sight).

Seems like a definite improvement over the stock front sight. I do still hope it were a bit brighter in low light though.

[GJM]

When these first came out, I put one (just the front) on an HK.

My reaction was I didn't like it enough to buy more, or dislike it enough to take it off.

[Schmetallurgy]

I sent the following communication to TruGlo:

I installed a TFX set on my G43 and find the front sight to do a better job of catching my eye with an obvious reference point under any transitional and differential lighting condition, with any shade of target, compared to yellow Ameriglo CAP, SigLite, yellow Trij HD, Heinie, and Warren tritium fronts. However the the TFX rear sucks balls.

The internal walls of the rear notch are so long and parallel they reflect the front dot to the shooter's eye skewing perception of the light bars, the rear edges are dangerously sharp and close to the rear of the slide, you can't get the supposedly/believably brighter white ring in front with a rackable rear sight face like is offered in the TFX Pro set with the orange ring, the fiber optics make the rear dots too big and bright to encourage front sight focus, and the green rear color hinders rapid low light front sight differentiation. I'd give anything to be able to combine the Ameriglo yellow Operator rear with the TFX front sight, but the dimensions are nowhere near compatible.

I recently emailed (with confused responses) and then called TruGlo to explain my concerns and thoughts, and I asked them for exactly the combination you asked them for. I was told they'd pass it on, but they were dismissive and claimed no one has expressed any desire for such a package or color options and that they don't offer the ability to mix and match.
They also initially told me that you can't make yellow tritium sights because tritium lamps are only available in green as that's tritium's "natural color." :rolleyes: This was technical support...

There was also this gem-- They said that it's intentional that the TFX front blade sits a little low in the notch when the dots are aligned and vise versa because you're supposed to shoot with the dots. After pausing to make sure I wasn't missing some obvious logic to this, like trends toward certain engagement ranges in different lighting conditions combined with various holds considering the ballistics (going with "no"), I asked why they don't just have both reference points align at the same time, and they said, because it's designed for a "combat sight picture," and if you align the top edges of the sights rather than the dots it will shoot high at 25yds (no shit). I said I'd never heard of any sighting theory that reflects this approach and asked what about a combat sight picture makes this desirable... what's their logic... and the rep didn't really have an answer beyond referencing all the military and police users of their products as an appeal to authority.

All this said, supposedly the Tritium Pro rear is identical to the TFX in all critical dimensions, and actually has dots that are ever so slightly higher than the TFX and thus should be closer to matched with the top edge alignment in combination with the TFX front without causing the opposite error.

Since no other sights seem to pair up with the TFX front, I went ahead and ordered some Tritium Pros and will try both the TP and TFX front with the TP rear, green as it is.

Oh well-- cue Mick Jagger.


Almost forgot, I got an RMA for the TFX front sight because the hole for the dot elements is drilled off to the left enough to mess with my head when the ring is backlit. I'm almost hoping the TP front is so badass I won't miss the TFX while it's off to be inspected and swapped, but I suspect the TFX will keep the crown. I'll find out tomorrow evening.

[Schmetallurgy]

Dat Swiss tritium tho...

Lots more to come...

[Schmetallurgy]

OK, so I received the Tritium Pro set and, long story short, I think I'm going to use the TP set for the foreseeable future, front and rear. It's more complicated than that, and details follow.

The TFX front does indeed match the TP front in blade height and height to center of dot. It even appears the TP rear dots are in better agreement relative to blade height with the TFX front than the TFX rears, but it's subtle and there's still a slight front blade low bias when the dots are aligned. I think the variance of blade vs dot hold with either pairing will be absorbed within ammo differences.

Brightness: The tritium front and rear glows much brighter in the TP than the TFX, no doubt due to the latter's intervening fiber optics. In fact, between the lit diameter of the front lamp and inherent brightness, the TP appears brighter by a hair than the SigLites on my P938, which are the brightest I'd tried prior. The lensing of the TP lamps provides an even, relatively large lit front dot which begins to catch the eye earlier than most in transitional lighting and when the gun is in low light aiming at a moderately or backlit but dimly hued target-- what I consider to be the most challenging lighting scenario possible. The white front outline is very big, flat, fairly glossy and stark white. It seems to be visible a hair longer than the white ring on the TFX with the exception of when the concave TFX ring catches some light from a very oblique rear angle, but the practical advantage goes to the TP under most circumstances This is especially true because, while the big green FO bead in the TFX helps catch the eye as its tritium takes over, it's significantly dimmer than the TP lamp when the gun isn't at least moderately lit from above. Basically the choice is a big, fairly dim green dot or a bright green dot about 1/3rd the area. Despite the TFX dot size it's dimness means the brighter TP rears distract from the front when used together.

The rear TP lamps are lensed to be a hair smaller by installed perspective than the front, though not by enough to really notice at speed, nor if target focused. Mostly the benefit is they don't appear larger than the front due to perspective. Slightly dimmed amber rear lamps would be a real upgrade. The rears are ringed in black fortunately. I can't really decide if I prefer the TP's U-notch or care either way.

I experimented with subduing and tinting the rear lamps with various color Sharpies and some Gun Scrubber for fairly complete removal. It's hard to tint the green light, but I found the orange sharpie gave a slightly more yellow hue and brought the brightness down to a pretty much perfect level that emphasizes the front sight while still providing reference points in all light.

The TP's rear serrations are nice, and the reduced rearward protrusion and slightly radiused rear corners make the rear much more comfortable on the stomach in AIWB carry, though the top is still very sharp and could pose a hazard in a struggled. The forward sloped charging ledge on the rear is too radical and sharp IMO and would be likely to gash the hand during a vigorous or slipped overhand charging motion, something that appears to have happened to a YouTube reviewer. I took a file to the front edges of the rear sight and tried using alumablack to kill the shine of the exposed steel, and it actually did make it more of a gunmetal color despite the material. It'll suffice.

The biggest cons, IMO, are a general imprecision and subjective "cheapness" of the construction. The glossy finish looks cheap and doesn't seem very abrasion resistant, and I suspect scratches or wear will prove rust prone. The dovetail fit isn't very precise or particularly secure and definitely demands use of the set screw (don't forget Loctite) to maintain position under recoil. The machining isn't nearly as crisp and precise as Ameriglo or Trijicon for instance.

My biggest gripe and concern is that the lenses and surrounding black and white rings for the lamps are soft, glossy vinyl plugs dyed with the outline pigments at the surface. They seem fairly well secured, but I can't help but suspect they may scuff and yellow with environmental and chemical exposure, and possibly even fall out. And the right rear dot's black outline seems a little imprecisely printed so the lamp appears a gnat's ass low, however it's not terribly noticeable, nor do I anticipate a functional impact on a G43.

All told, when new at least, and with a bit of filing and orange Sharpie, they're the closest thing to the sweet spot I've tried.

If Ameriglo had a front ring this bold and light catching and a nice even and equally big and bright tritium dot I'd still be using them cause they're otherwise beautifully made and designed. Some front ring luminescence that was worth a damn would be a nice touch as well. With the TPros the tritium takes over early enough that's not really a concern.

Looking forward to hearing other people's experiences with the TPros.