Gray Guns Perfection Action Kit- Sig Saur P Series

[HCM]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.topgunsupply.com/grayguns-perfection-action-kit-sig-sauer-p-series-p-pak.html

[LangdonTactical]

That is a pretty cool kit. Seems a little steep on price, but considering all the parts you get it is not that bad.

Kind of want one of these kits myself. I might have a Sig or six laying around :)

[HCM]

I lack your gunsmithing skills but I can detail strip a SIG P series. Given the time expense and shipping expense involved in a Gray Guns Action Job the juice is worth the squeeze for me. Plus, it's still cheaper than buying a Legion :-)

[LSP552]

I've got a 228 with a sucky trigger......

[BehindBlueI's]

I certainly see the appeal. For me, I think I'd be better off sending the gun in even if its a bit more money and more time. I am not the guy you want tinkering with small parts.

[JDM]

Seeing as how easy I find detail stripping a SIG lower half, I may have to try one of these!

[Sam]

Seeing as how easy I find detail stripping a SIG lower half, I may have to try one of these!

How much more complicated is a Sig compared to a Glock for a mechanically slow individual?

[JDM]

How much more complicated is a Sig compared to a Glock for a mechanically slow individual?

I would rate detail stripping a SIG lower about thrice as hard as a Glock. I am reasonably handy however. Especially with gun type stuff.

[Sam]

I would rate detail stripping a SIG lower about thrice as hard as a Glock. I am reasonably handy however. Especially with gun type stuff.

Thanks!

[ReverendMeat]

How much more complicated is a Sig compared to a Glock for a mechanically slow individual?

I'm borderline mechanically incompetent but I can do a SIG frame. The hardest part for me is getting the trigger+trigger bar back in, I gotta hold my mouth just right before it goes in.

The slides are a different story, given that there's a few variations.

[Sero Sed Serio]

How much more complicated is a Sig compared to a Glock for a mechanically slow individual?

It's not too bad. There can be a little bit of trickiness in figuring out the exact position of the hammer and it's return spring, but not bad. The Gray Guns video is a great help, as are the SIG-specific tools. I still need the video when I do it (unlike the Glocks), but that might just be because I've only detail-stripped the SIG 4 or 5 times, compared to dozens for the Glocks.

I hope that this new kit will work in the 225A (or a 225A version will be forthcoming)--I would love to drop one into an all-stainless 225A.

[GJM]

Is the thinking that you would end up with a better, long term trigger with these parts, because of their quality, compared to a GGI trigger on current P series trigger parts?

[RJ]

$325? Is that really for just the parts?

And the trigger on a P320, it is so bad that a kit like this makes business sense? Kinda like "S&W M&P triggers suck" bad, or not that far?

*scratches head*

[SteveK]

As good as I'm finding the current SRT triggers, I can't justify the cost.

[CCT125US]

As good as I'm finding the current SRT triggers, I can't justify the cost.

An SRT kit has a great cost-benefit ratio.

[BehindBlueI's]

$325? Is that really for just the parts?

And the trigger on a P320, it is so bad that a kit like this makes business sense? Kinda like "S&W M&P triggers suck" bad, or not that far?

*scratches head*

I thought the P320 trigger was pretty darned good out of the box. I'm sure it can be better, I suppose everything can, but it seems deep into diminished returns for the vast majority of us.

[GJM]

$325? Is that really for just the parts?

And the trigger on a P320, it is so bad that a kit like this makes business sense? Kinda like "S&W M&P triggers suck" bad, or not that far?

*scratches head*

The business case is pretty simple -- what does it cost GGI to make this trigger set and how many can they sell. They have created lots of interest in their trigger jobs, which are expensive and time consuming to get. This is essentially their trigger job in a box. You can pay $200+ for an AR trigger, so I don't think the price is crazy high. High, but not crazy high.

I find Sig triggers to be generally better than an HK DA/SA trigger, so they are quite usable. That said, some folks always want a better trigger. Not sure that I will buy a kit, but I am glad it is an option. At the price of a SSA AR trigger, I bet they would sell a bunch more kits.

[Patrin]

$325? Is that really for just the parts?

And the trigger on a P320, it is so bad that a kit like this makes business sense? Kinda like "S&W M&P triggers suck" bad, or not that far?

*scratches head*

It is high...and GGI's basic SIG action job has been high, too high, for years. I've never payed more than 175$ for an SIG action job and, with shipping round trip, I was coming out at 225$ total. So no, this drop in kit is not cost effective.

You want a sweet DA/SA action job from a SIG smith that has worked on a few thousand and knows his business? Total Automation is where to go.

On the P320...well...it makes me appreciate my VP9's even more...the P320, the five that I've felt, all have had gritty trigger pulls in need of an action job to get it to feeling like my VP9...which makes the P320 no longer cost effective either as a striker gun compared to Glock or HK.

GGI turns out good work, but not with affordability in mind.

[psalms144.1]

I would LOVE to have any pistol worked over by Bruce and the guys, but can't afford it. I especially couldn't afford to buy an $800+ base Sig and drop almost a Glock's worth of money into parts to make it better. This is my beef with Sig in a nutshell - at the price they ask, the pistol should not NEED work (and, frankly, as much as I bash them, I rarely find one that's reliable that really NEEDS an action job). But I'm sure there are going to be a lot of folks dropping $1100 on a "Legion" and then adding these parts even though the action is already worked over before it ships... Then trying to sell them for $1500, used...

[GJM]

Trigger work generally, and especially GGI trigger work, is the shooter's equivalent of Viagra. You know, buy performance. I understand it is especially attractive to a cardiologist.

[LSP552]

Trigger work generally, and especially GGI trigger work, is the shooter's equivalent of Viagra. You know, buy performance. I understand it is especially attractive to a cardiologist.

I don't need Viagra yet, knock "wood", but I do need my GGI blessed 226..:D

[YVK]

Trigger work generally, and especially GGI trigger work, is the shooter's equivalent of Viagra. You know, buy performance. I understand it is especially attractive to a cardiologist.

I agree with everything especially the analogy.

I was also told that Mink trigger jobs are like Cialis and WC Beretta triggers are like Levitra. Is that true, George?

[taadski]

I agree with everything especially the analogy.

I was also told that Mink trigger jobs are like Cialis and WC Beretta triggers are like Levitra. Is that true, George?

LOL. I think he's a better candidate for non-injectible Alprostadil, don't you think? :D 'Cept then we have to worry even more about him passing out while trying to keep up with his wifey hiking. :p

[HCM]

$325? Is that really for just the parts?

And the trigger on a P320, it is so bad that a kit like this makes business sense? Kinda like "S&W M&P triggers suck" bad, or not that far?

*scratches head*

This isn't for the P-320 - its for the "Classic" sigs - 220/226/227/228/229

A GGI action job on a Classic SIG costs this plus shipping. Some of these guns are good to go out of the box or will smooth out with use but some need the help, particularly with over travel. One of the best features of the kit is the medium Trigger with over travel stop / adjustment. I have a P-226 TX edition which could REALLY use and over travel stop..

[HCM]

It is high...and GGI's basic SIG action job has been high, too high, for years. I've never payed more than 175$ for an SIG action job and, with shipping round trip, I was coming out at 225$ total. So no, this drop in kit is not cost effective.

You want a sweet DA/SA action job from a SIG smith that has worked on a few thousand and knows his business? Total Automation is where to go.

On the P320...well...it makes me appreciate my VP9's even more...the P320, the five that I've felt, all have had gritty trigger pulls in need of an action job to get it to feeling like my VP9...which makes the P320 no longer cost effective either as a striker gun compared to Glock or HK.

GGI turns out good work, but not with affordability in mind.

I've seen and heard of a few issues with SIG's factory action jobs so I'm kind of leery of them. If you get a "good" SIG either GGI or SIG's action job is unnecessary.My 1990's 229 and my recent production 229-1 Extreme are both good to go as is. However, I have a 2012/2013 production 226 which will benefit greatly from this, particularly the over travel adjustment on the new trigger.

[HCM]

I would LOVE to have any pistol worked over by Bruce and the guys, but can't afford it. I especially couldn't afford to buy an $800+ base Sig and drop almost a Glock's worth of money into parts to make it better. This is my beef with Sig in a nutshell - at the price they ask, the pistol should not NEED work (and, frankly, as much as I bash them, I rarely find one that's reliable that really NEEDS an action job). But I'm sure there are going to be a lot of folks dropping $1100 on a "Legion" and then adding these parts even though the action is already worked over before it ships... Then trying to sell them for $1500, used...

I don't doubt someone will do that but isn't the included Factory Trigger job / GGI trigger the whole point of buying a Legion? At least from an actual shooter perspective ?

[John Hearne]

$325? Is that really for just the parts?

And this is why Sig now uses MIM parts in their guns. Bruce's parts are tool steel, not cheap, overseas parts.

Real steel combined with small manufacturing runs = higher costs.

[LSP552]

And this is why Sig now uses MIM parts in their guns. Bruce's parts are tool steel, not cheap, overseas parts.

Real steel combined with small manufacturing runs = higher costs.

I have one of Bruce's tool steel short external extractors and they are simply a work of art.

[Patrin]

I have one of Bruce's tool steel short external extractors and they are simply a work of art.

Oh, yes, I used couple of those for some used P229's I owned....wonderful, reliable part and, IMO, priced right.


I've seen and heard of a few issues with SIG's factory action jobs

Let me clarify bud...all my action jobs have been done by Total Automation...I was referring to a 'SIG action job' as a generality.:cool:

[Hauptmann]

$325 is a bit steep IMO for what it is. That money would be better spent for most towards training applications. Hardware solutions for software problems may or may not make an incremental improvement.

[Hauptmann]

And this is why Sig now uses MIM parts in their guns. Bruce's parts are tool steel, not cheap, overseas parts.

Real steel combined with small manufacturing runs = higher costs.

3-D printed parts will probably replace MIM in the near future. We'll have to see how those hold up.