Beheading and Burning prisoners must have lost its shock value.

[NEPAKevin]

Islamic State Crushes Prisoner Under Tank in Horrific New Video (http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-crushes-prisoner-under-tank-horrific-new-video)

[Peally]

It's all the same, they're sub-human barbarians regardless of their methods.

[Jeep]

It's all the same, they're sub-human barbarians regardless of their methods.

Like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Che and Mao they think terror works and that you can rule millions by a few widely publicized acts of barbarism.

Besides, you get the idea that these guys (like Che and Mao) really like killing others in the most barbaric way possible.

[PPGMD]

The IS are a bunch of sadistic POS. They set people on fire, fired RPGs at a car full of prisoners, put them in a cage to drown them, wrapped det cord would necks, et al.

So running them over with a tank frankly doesn't surprise me. They will continue to find new ways to murder prisoners to entertain themselves.

[RoyGBiv]

Islamic State Crushes Prisoner Under Tank in Horrific New Video (http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-crushes-prisoner-under-tank-horrific-new-video)

How totally JV

[Dagga Boy]

The last folks who we dealt with who were fanatics, violated every level of humanity in regards to treatment of prisoners and conquered civilian areas, and used suicide bombers needed two nukes to bring them to heel. Simply being disappointed, upset, and disturbed by them and using pin prick military action and harsh tone in our language is not going to work.

[NEPAKevin]

T... needed two nukes to bring them to heel.

And isn't the US obligated to reduce our nuclear arsenal? If only there were some way that the US could honor said treaty while reducing disposal costs.

[rekkr870]

*Donning tinfoil hat*

Maybe it's just me, but these videos seem awfully sketchy....

[Nephrology]

And isn't the US obligated to reduce our nuclear arsenal? If only there were some way that the US could honor said treaty while reducing disposal costs.

I can think of lots of places in Syria and Iraq where we could dispose of them. Maybe send them via airmail?

[GardoneVT]

The last folks who we dealt with who were fanatics, violated every level of humanity in regards to treatment of prisoners and conquered civilian areas, and used suicide bombers needed two nukes to bring them to heel. Simply being disappointed, upset, and disturbed by them and using pin prick military action and harsh tone in our language is not going to work.

Impossible. There must be some feel good 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of UN letterhead which can totally fix this.

[Dagga Boy]

We could drop some nuclear "clocks" and make things much better for a lot of the world.

[TAZ]

I think they may be trying to out do Kim Jung Ill in the head. He's done dogs and AA cannon. Now these guys are doing tanks.

[TAZ]

We could drop some nuclear "clocks" and make things much better for a lot of the world.


I wish we had the balls to do that. Maybe not turn things in to a glass parking lot, but atleast carpet bomb then 24-7-365.

[LOKNLOD]

Impossible. There must be some feel good 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of UN letterhead which can totally fix this.

You mean A4-sized. Don't be all American Imperialist with your 8-1/2x11 inch shenanigans.

[Dagga Boy]

I wish we had the balls to do that. Maybe not turn things in to a glass parking lot, but atleast carpet bomb then 24-7-365.

Honestly, I am to the point where I think the only thing that will work is glass parking lot, as I don't think anyone has the political balls to do the "Nyeti plan for ISIS". That entails us actually declaring war on the Islamic State (yeah, a real war), invading and taking everything that ISIS holds, and kill everything that even appears to be ISIS sympathizers or related. That is lots of oil fields, and infrastructure. Not for nation building, not to give away, but to make an actual US owned state there. Let the Iranians have southern Iraq, and Russo/Syria hold their buffer area. The Kurds would make great neighbors, we would have a new port and Med sea access and build new bases and the Turks can suck an egg. We would have immediate access to everyone and this would be the equivalent to what Putin did in the Crimea. It would make us stronger, have a place for all those "democracy loving Arab Moderates and non-muslims to live and keep everyone in the region a little nervous when the big dog is not only in the neighborhood, but can expand territory as you piss it off.

[Tamara]

*Donning tinfoil hat*

Maybe it's just me, but these videos seem awfully sketchy....

Elucidate?

[rekkr870]

Elucidate?
When I compare these ISIS videos to the other ones coming out of the middle east, these look rather "staged" for lack of a better term. I mean the production quality is great, heavily edited...I don't know, just something about it. I have no doubt that these people are evil and do some vile shit. I'm not a professional videographer by any means. I'm just a regular, skeptical nobody.

Flame suit on.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

Wow I've never seen such amazing production quality from an ISIS video. That looked pretty professionally done.


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[Totem Polar]

Honestly, I am to the point where I think the only thing that will work is glass parking lot, as I don't think anyone has the political balls to do the "Nyeti plan for ISIS"...

Have we all seen the war gaming article posted here some while back that states this as the inevitable conclusion to any course of action, save for moderate Islam rising up against the fanatics? I'm not sure I could find the thread, but hot glass was the conclusion of every scenario.

[fixer]

When I compare these ISIS videos to the other ones coming out of the middle east, these look rather "staged" for lack of a better term. I mean the production quality is great, heavily edited...I don't know, just something about it. I have no doubt that these people are evil and do some vile shit. I'm not a professional videographer by any means. I'm just a regular, skeptical nobody.

Flame suit on.

What I understand is that IS is ten times more media savvy than other terror networks.

[RoyGBiv]

Honestly, I am to the point where I think the only thing that will work is glass parking lot, as I don't think anyone has the political balls to do the "Nyeti plan for ISIS". That entails us actually declaring war on the Islamic State (yeah, a real war), invading and taking everything that ISIS holds, and kill everything that even appears to be ISIS sympathizers or related. That is lots of oil fields, and infrastructure. Not for nation building, not to give away, but to make an actual US owned state there. Let the Iranians have southern Iraq, and Russo/Syria hold their buffer area. The Kurds would make great neighbors, we would have a new port and Med sea access and build new bases and the Turks can suck an egg. We would have immediate access to everyone and this would be the equivalent to what Putin did in the Crimea. It would make us stronger, have a place for all those "democracy loving Arab Moderates and non-muslims to live and keep everyone in the region a little nervous when the big dog is not only in the neighborhood, but can expand territory as you piss it off.
It'll take massive loss of life here (again) in order for anyone to see the need to sacrifice more American lives over there.
Not many Colonies remaining anywhere in the world. It's like Socialism.... It sounds great on paper, but it never lasts.
I'm + Bazillion on the sentiment though.

[NEPAKevin]

Another check in the plus column for the glass parking lot plan is that the only boots on the ground should belong to the IS, assuming they don't vaporized. The hard part is making sure that Israel is not down wind of the blast. Don't suppose anyone can convince them to do an Exodus to Texas or Arizona? Imagine putting the IDF in charge of security on the Mexican border.

[Timbonez]

I wish we had the balls to do that. Maybe not turn things in to a glass parking lot, but atleast carpet bomb then 24-7-365.

This is already being done against ISIL, except replace carpet bombing with PGMs.

[Kyle Reese]

More Direct Action now imminent in Iraq & Syria.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sec-carter-direct-u-s-action-ground-iraq-syria-n452131

[Timbonez]

What I understand is that IS is ten times more media savvy than other terror networks.

Correct. They are heavily invested into using social media and have a lot of know how in creating high production value videos. The execution videos we typically see as westerners are not the only propaganda that they put out. There are plenty of videos of ISIL providing for local populations. Part of their plan is to show that they are capable of providing services in a region where recognized governments are unable/unwilling to provide services to their people.

[UNK]

http://www.libertynewsisrael.com/2015/03/31/premium-report-how-obama-designed-and-implemented-mass-chaos-to-pave-the-way-for-irans-total-control-of-the-middle-east-and-its-likely-eventual-war-with-israel/

More Direct Action now imminent in Iraq & Syria.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sec-carter-direct-u-s-action-ground-iraq-syria-n452131

[RoyGBiv]

More Direct Action now imminent in Iraq & Syria.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sec-carter-direct-u-s-action-ground-iraq-syria-n452131

Been scratching my head all day trying to figure out a reason for the change of strategy. Did we do a sail-by on the disputed China islands today too? Did Obama have a TIA and suddenly see the light?

All I've got so far is a completely unfounded guess that Democrat pollsters must be showing leadership the inside baseball that says Americans won't vote Democrat in 2016 if the Dems are perceived as weak on terror. With Biden a no-go, Clinton might even have a hand in reshaping this change in policy.... "If you want me to win, and keep Attorney General Trey Gowdy from prosecuting all your asses, you'd better man up on the GWOT, Barry."

[GardoneVT]

http://www.libertynewsisrael.com/2015/03/31/premium-report-how-obama-designed-and-implemented-mass-chaos-to-pave-the-way-for-irans-total-control-of-the-middle-east-and-its-likely-eventual-war-with-israel/

Another adventure.

Jeez, can't we just accept that savages will be savages? For all the hubbub about ISIL , they'd be bush league savages by African Interior standards.

Nuke em, or leave em be.

[OnionsAndDragons]

I think glass parking lots is a likely long term outcome if we keep doing things the way we have been. We may not even make those parking lots, but somebody will.

I just wish we would take a stance that's logically and ethically defensible. The way I see it we have three ethical courses of action:

1: just get out entirely. Deal with legit, probable individual, threats they pop up. Swiftly and without fanfare. No nation building or gov toppling/propping up.

2: basically go with 1, but push the "moderates" and supposedly sane members of these communities to do the work that needs to be done, with real expectation of help and a place at the table if they do it.

3: clearly state what all the sane people are thinking; the abominable stuff these animals are doing in the name of religion is just not conscionable to humanity. To truly squelch it, terrible things will have to be done, but in the end sometimes that's just the only answer. Drag every extremist militant, imam and jack hole that supports honor killings, acid baths for educated girls, global jihad, female slavery, etc. out into the fields and drop them into mass graves wholesale.

Christians got over their crusades phase. It took them a while. We have the freaking internet now; these chuckleheads have no excuse for taking their damned time. As a world, we don't have time to be worrying about this religious nonsense. We have bigger problems we should be looking to. They need to get with the program, or be put on it.

I'm a pretty libertarian dude, I'm an atheist so I don't have any holy stake in the argument. I'm sick of this and the weakness our nation has shown in dealing with it. Either it isn't our problem, and they can go ahead and kill each other until it legitimately becomes our problem, in a state v state manner; or it's our problem because these "people" are violating basic tenets of humanity and have therefore lost the right to be treated as humans.


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[LittleLebowski]

Honestly, I am to the point where I think the only thing that will work is glass parking lot, as I don't think anyone has the political balls to do the "Nyeti plan for ISIS". That entails us actually declaring war on the Islamic State (yeah, a real war), invading and taking everything that ISIS holds, and kill everything that even appears to be ISIS sympathizers or related. That is lots of oil fields, and infrastructure. Not for nation building, not to give away, but to make an actual US owned state there. Let the Iranians have southern Iraq, and Russo/Syria hold their buffer area. The Kurds would make great neighbors, we would have a new port and Med sea access and build new bases and the Turks can suck an egg. We would have immediate access to everyone and this would be the equivalent to what Putin did in the Crimea. It would make us stronger, have a place for all those "democracy loving Arab Moderates and non-muslims to live and keep everyone in the region a little nervous when the big dog is not only in the neighborhood, but can expand territory as you piss it off.

I'm not for a glass parking lot anywhere. We cannot defeat ISIS until the Arab people themselves want to defeat them. We have plenty of energy right here in the US. Let's go back to being real conservatives, you know the ones of the early to mid last century. Let's stop trying to outdo the Dems as Team America World Police.

[ranger]

The challenge is that our trading partners do not have energy and are reliant on the Middle East. Damn Global Economy..............

[LittleLebowski]

The challenge is that our trading partners do not have energy and are reliant on the Middle East. Damn Global Economy..............

#OhWell

[Mike C]

I'm not for a glass parking lot anywhere. We cannot defeat ISIS until the Arab people themselves want to defeat them. We have plenty of energy right here in the US. Let's go back to being real conservatives, you know the ones of the early to mid last century. Let's stop trying to outdo the Dems as Team America World Police.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist but it will take generations to purge the bullshit that ISIS is filling into the heads of every youth within the grasp of its' little dick beaters. So the longer we let it sit and fester the worse off we're going to be. Lets just rip the band-aid off already; because frankly, I don't see enough outrage from the Arab community to amount to anything within the near future. At least if we start killing the goat f*&^er's in droves it might have some impact in slowing them down until a real game plan can be hatched, though I am sure there is one already. It's just POTUS doesn't have the balls to take the gloves off.

I don't think that it's about out doing anyone, at least not for me. I don't want my kids back over there spilling blood over the same sand pile I did just to give it back a few years later so my grandkids can do the same shit. We need to glass them or let them be. Though if we opt for the later we damn well better be prepared for the consequences.

[Kyle Reese]

ISIS killing babies with Down syndrome, activists claim

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/12/14/isis-reportedly-wants-members-to-kill-children-with-down-syndrome/

[JAD]

ISIS killing babies with Down syndrome, activists claim

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/12/14/isis-reportedly-wants-members-to-kill-children-with-down-syndrome/

To be fair, we do that too. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/opinion/does-down-syndrome-justify-abortion.html?_r=0

[Dagga Boy]

Sometimes we kill them after they lived through an abortion....for the health of the mother. Not trying to turn this into an abortion debate as I have given up on carrying if folks want to kill their baby democrats, but I do find it to be a sickly funny argument of euthanizing babies that survived an abortion for the health of the mother.

[farscott]

Now, ISIS is justifying that organ harvesting from living infidels is acceptable. For me, this is getting reminiscent of the Germans before WWII and how experiments on "undesirables" were allowed. This kind of evil cannot be allowed to exist.

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805X20151225

[HCM]

Now, ISIS is justifying that organ harvesting from living infidels is acceptable. For me, this is getting reminiscent of the Germans before WWII and how experiments on "undesirables" were allowed. This kind of evil cannot be allowed to exist.

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805X20151225

It's not a coincidence - do a google seach - the Nazis and the Mudlim Brotherhood were allies during WWII.

[Dagga Boy]

Just so I get this right, harvesting organs from living things that are not undesirable or not wanted is bad? Now, if we kill the undesirable living person to harvest its functioning organs first, it is good? I am very confussed to the standards these days.

[farscott]

Just so I get this right, harvesting organs from living things that are not undesirable or not wanted is bad? Now, if we kill the undesirable living person to harvest its functioning organs first, it is good? I am very confussed to the standards these days.

While noting the sarcasm, the latest ISIS twist further reinforces that idea that there are two classes of people, Muslim and not-Muslim. It also suggests that ISIS is willing to prolong the suffering of their involuntary organ donors because the suffering of infidels is acceptable. In addition, one can easily become an infidel even if one is a Muslim if one does not abide by the exact ISIS brand of Islam as promulgated by fatwas, so there will be some people designated as organ donors only because their organs are compatible with those in power in need of a transplant.

As someone whose maternal grandparents fled Germany in 1937, I might be a wee bit sensitive toward anything that reminds me of Mengele and the idea that genocide is not just acceptable but admirable.

[TAZ]

Now, ISIS is justifying that organ harvesting from living infidels is acceptable. For me, this is getting reminiscent of the Germans before WWII and how experiments on "undesirables" were allowed. This kind of evil cannot be allowed to exist.

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-islamic-state-documents-idUSKBN0U805X20151225

Of course they would. There is $$ to be made on the organ black market. Not sure why this is surprising to anyone. Just wait till they figure out how to make money on stem cells or placenta.

We need to find leaders with the balls to say no and act accordingly. Not this BS appeasement mode we are in.

These nut jobs should have been stomped into dust as soon as they came to be instead of the McShitstains of this world kissing their asses.

[1slow]

This is an old Roman Empire problem. It is a mistake to educate barbarians in technical fields such as, physics, medicine, war etc...
Now you have a more capable enemy and you trained them.
This is a very different thing from educating people who want the old fashioned American Dream. Those help add to the US.

[Dagga Boy]

While noting the sarcasm, the latest ISIS twist further reinforces that idea that there are two classes of people, Muslim and not-Muslim. It also suggests that ISIS is willing to prolong the suffering of their involuntary organ donors because the suffering of infidels is acceptable. In addition, one can easily become an infidel even if one is a Muslim if one does not abide by the exact ISIS brand of Islam as promulgated by fatwas, so there will be some people designated as organ donors only because their organs are compatible with those in power in need of a transplant.

As someone whose maternal grandparents fled Germany in 1937, I might be a wee bit sensitive toward anything that reminds me of Mengele and the idea that genocide is not just acceptable but admirable.

From someone whose family was from Slutsk in Belarus (the massacre in Slutsk by the Nazis was notable in that it generated letters from German Army people who were so disturbed by what the Nazi's and Lithuanians did there), I too am more than a bit sensitive to the evil in people. Pretty much everything ISIS does is worthy of eradication with no quarter in my book. With that said, I also am almost more cautious of when we as a society become accepting of many of the same practices that are just gift wrapped better. Those activities to me carry a lot of danger as it prepares folks for atrocities committed with sanction by their government as being okay. It only took a quarter of Germans to go along. I simply find the farming of organs from undesirables/unwanted repulsive to my conscious no matter who is doing it. Acceptance of many things that are immoral rather than illegal starts us down a pretty dark pathway of what we will accept as okay.

[Kyle Reese]

ISIS 'planning series of coordinated attacks in European cities' says militant who escaped terror group

http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/isis-planning-series-coordinated-attacks-7037858

[NEPAKevin]

ISIS chiefs FREEZE 45 of their own fighters to death after accusing them of cowardice during a battle in Iraq
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555575/ISIS-chiefs-FREEZE-45-fighters-death-accusing-cowardice-battle-Iraq.html#ixzz46hEzx0qF)

[SLG]

ISIS chiefs FREEZE 45 of their own fighters to death after accusing them of cowardice during a battle in Iraq
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555575/ISIS-chiefs-FREEZE-45-fighters-death-accusing-cowardice-battle-Iraq.html#ixzz46hEzx0qF)

That's probably the nicest way they have ever killed anyone.

[RoyGBiv]

ISIS chiefs FREEZE 45 of their own fighters to death after accusing them of cowardice during a battle in Iraq
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555575/ISIS-chiefs-FREEZE-45-fighters-death-accusing-cowardice-battle-Iraq.html#ixzz46hEzx0qF)

Soylent Black?

[Peally]

Every time ISIS kills their own guys, I smile. Don't care how it's done.

[Kyle Reese]

That's just cold.......[emoji41]


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[El Cid]

Sounds like it's time for DoD to announce its adopting JHP ammo with a gel cap in the center - into which they insert pigs blood.

[Dagga Boy]

Every time ISIS kills their own guys, I smile. Don't care how it's done.

Yea, but making Islamapopsicles is extra good.

[RoyGBiv]

Yea, but making Islamapopsicles is extra good.

ISISickles?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Canadian beheaded:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/25/canadian-hostage-beheaded-by-islamist-militants-in-philippines

[NEPAKevin]

ISISickles?

Don't know which would be worse, freezing to death or putting the stick in?

[Peally]

Yea, but making Islamapopsicles is extra good.

Meat popsicles!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZFH4wCLVXY

[NEPAKevin]

ISIS buries 35 of its fighters alive after they fled the battlefield fighting Iraqi forces (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584365/ISIS-buries-35-fighters-alive-executes-firing-squad-fled-battlefield-fighting-Iraqi-forces.html#ixzz48SlrRd9i)

:)

[Peally]

lol

It's like watching Norks derp out and kill their lemming command staff.

[TAZ]

LOL. ISIS seems more determined to kill their own fighters than our CIC.

[Kyle Reese]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-executes-25-iraqi-spies-by-lowering-them-nitric-acid-until-their-organs-dissolve-1561009