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Mr_White
10-23-2015, 11:29 AM
Week 135: Front Sight 2 (USPSA Classifier CM 99-24)

Results may be posted until November 23rd, 2015.

Designed by: P.R. Metcalf - Modification by US Design Team
Range: 7 yards
Target: three USPSA Metric targets, spaced 7.5 feet apart, with three additional no-shoots (see official stage diagram for placement)
Start Position: see below for details
Rounds Fired: 12

This week we are going to shoot a USPSA Classifier as the DotW. See the official written stage briefing here: https://www.uspsa.org/classifiers/99-24.pdf

For purposes of the DotW, we may have some imprecision in placing your gear in the most appropriate Division, determining Major or Minor scoring, and possibly in your setup (if you have fixed target stands/rails that don't let you put the targets exactly the right distance apart, for example.) We are just doing this for the DotW, and no official USPSA score will result, so it's not a big deal if there is a little variation from official USPSA rules.

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First, let's figure out your Division:

If your gun has a frame-mounted optic or a compensator, you are shooting Open. If your gun does not have a frame-mounted optic or a compensator, then you are shooting one of the other Divisions.

If your holster is forward of your hip, as with AIWB, you are shooting Limited (or Open, if you are shooting a Carry Optics gun from a holster forward of the hip.) If your holster is not forward of your hip, then you are shooting either Single Stack, Production, Carry Optics, or Revolver. Limited-10 is the same as Limited because there is no reload on the clock in this classifier.

If you are shooting a single action only gun, you are shooting Single Stack.

If you are shooting a revolver, you are shooting Revolver.

If you are shooting a double action or striker fired gun with iron sights, you are shooting Production. If you are shooting Production, then you are scored Minor regardless of your actual caliber or load.

If you are shooting a Production gun out of a Production-legal holster, but the gun has a slide-mounted optic, you are shooting Carry Optics. If you are shooting Carry Optics, then you are scored Minor regardless of your actual caliber or load.

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For our scoring purposes, if you are shooting 9mm/.38Spl, then you are scored Minor. If you are shooting .357/.40/.45, then you are scored Major (unless you are shooting Production or Carry Optics, then you are still scored Minor.) Minor scoring is A = 5 points, B/C = 3 points, D = 1 point. Major scoring is A = 5 points, B/C = 4 points, D = 2 points. Misses are -10 points for both Major and Minor. Hits to No-Shoots are -10 points for both Major and Minor.

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Start position is standing, both arms hanging relaxed at sides or both wrists above respective shoulders - shooter's choice. Handgun is loaded and holstered.

String 1: Start facing uprange. Upon start signal, turn, engage all three targets with two rounds each.

String 2: Start facing downrange, hand position opposite of string one. Upon start signal, engage all three targets with two rounds each.

This Classifier is Virginia Count (no extra shots allowed.)

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Scoring:

Add up your points.

Divide your total points by your total time (for both strings together.) That number is your hit factor.

Divide your hit factor by the 100% hit factor for your Division to get your percentage on this classifier.

In USPSA Open Division, 100% is a hit factor of 12.80.

In USPSA Limited, Limited-10, and Single Stack Divisions, 100% is a hit factor of 12.01.

In USPSA Production Division, 100% is a hit factor of 11.41.

In USPSA Revolver Division, 100% is a hit factor of 10.81.

In USPSA Carry Optics Division, 100% appears to be a hit factor of 12.38.

95-100% = Grand Master
85-94.9% = Master
75-84.9% = A Class
60-74.9% = B Class
40-59.9% = C Class
Below 40% = D Class

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used)
Division
Total points
Total time
Hit factor (points divided by time)
Percentage (your hit factor divided by the 100% hit factor for your Division)

An example:

You are shooting a G17 9mm handgun (no optic or compensator), carried in a strong side OWB holster. You are shooting Production Minor. You shoot the drill with a total time (both strings together) of 12 seconds. You shoot all As, for a total of 60 points. Your hit factor is 5.00 (60 points/12 seconds.) Your percentage is 43.82% (your 5.0 hit factor/the high Production hit factor of 11.41.) You shot C class.

You would report:

G17, strong side OWB
Production
60 points
12 seconds
5.0 hit factor
43.82%

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Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

Luke
10-23-2015, 01:37 PM
Ran this twice back to back. First live fire in a week. Had a quick dry fire session before starting.

M&P9 RMR06
Gcode open OWB
No cover

My gat qualifies for carry optics but last match I shot open because I didn't want ten round mags, but for the sake of wanting to make myself feel better today I shot carry optics :)

Run 1 started down range.

3.19 total - 1.83 - .18 - .44 - .17 - .40 - .17 AA AA AC

Run 1 uprange hands up start

3:38 total - 1.81 - .26 - .49 - .16 - .49 - .17. AC AB AC

52 total points 6.57 total time for a hit factor of 7.76 for a 63% I think?

run 2 down range start

2.84 total. 1.48. .17 - .46 - .15 - .42 - .16 AA AC AA

Run 2 uprange hands up start

2.90 total. 1.64 - .16 - .38 - .15 - .41 - .16 AB AA AC

54 total points with a total time of 5.74 with a hit factor of 9.41 for a 76%?

hope the math is right. I have a sheet of paper in front of me covered in numbers!

I felt really good with this drill. I only shot it twice. First run I was trying to go fast and safe and make A's. and second run was fast and try not to hit the white and try to hit A's!! I honestly don't know how I could get any faster, faster transitions maybe? I highly doubt I could get any faster splits. I'm sure I could shoot more accuracy oriented with the same speed and do better (duh! Lol)

I'm very proud of this for me. Felt good and smooth and usually first shots of the day are not good or smooth. Very happy with this.

Edit: just 2 more points and not even a second added a huge chunk to the second score, very
Interesting... So for the gamers out there is this a speed more over accuracy? Or both? Or visa versa?

Talionis
10-23-2015, 03:26 PM
Wannabe, the biggest place you are losing time is the draw. I've run this a couple times in the last week or two in livefire. My total time is consistently around 4.5 for combined strings. We are shooting nearly identical splits, mine may be a fraction slower. My transitions are a bit faster, but my turn draw is 1.2, and downrange is an average of .90.

That's some sporty shooting.

Luke
10-23-2015, 03:42 PM
Yea draw is pretty slow. I just don't know how to speed it up and have a good grip and make good hits. Thank you sir.

Mr_White
10-23-2015, 03:47 PM
speed it up and have a good grip and make good hits

That's the real trick. Get the RIGHT grip as fast as you can move.

Agree with Talionis - really nice job. Both Front Sight and Front Sight 2 are really stiff classifiers in USPSA.

Sal Picante
10-27-2015, 08:23 AM
Ran this again last night ... Ugh. It ain't pretty.

Still dropping too many points and running it too slow... Not feeling confident about moving the gun around yet.

52 pts (Dropping C's into the right-most target - aiming for the A/C line on the middle)
5.36 s (2.65 and a 2.71, respectively)

52/5.36 = 9.70HF ~ 85% Ranking.

I'm shooting pretty much with a front sight focus... I can push the time far lower if I'm shooting with a looser sight picture, but then I run the risk of buffing a no-shoot on the middle.

Interesting take-away: I'm not currently able to shift focus. E.g. shoot outside targets with coarse focus, shoot middle target with more focus. The switching eats time...

bigslim
10-31-2015, 12:16 AM
Equipment used: G19 Gen 4, Raven Concealment Phantom IWB
Division: Production
Total points: 56
Total time: 14.36
Hit factor: 3.9
Percentage: 34% D class


Equipment used: G19 Gen 4, Raven Concealment Phantom IWB
Division: Production
Total points: 60
Total time: 12.7
Hit factor: 4.7
Percentage: 41% C class

Mike


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GJM
10-31-2015, 07:21 AM
Mr_White, how many times does the PF USPSA club allow shooters to reshoot the classifier?

Sal Picante
10-31-2015, 01:54 PM
Mr_White, how many times does the PF USPSA club allow shooters to reshoot the classifier?

Depends... Is Candice there?

GJM
10-31-2015, 02:19 PM
The Candice backlash hit CO. My buddy, who was only interested for theoretical reasons, was recently told by two CO clubs, no re-shoots of a classifier period. I told him that he should move to a more classifier friendly state.

bigslim
11-02-2015, 03:17 PM
Run 1
Equipment used: G19 Gen 4, Raven Concealment Phantom IWB
Division: Production
Total points: 58
Total time: 13.66
Hit factor: 4.2
Percentage: 37% D class

Run 2
Division: Production
Total points: 54
Total time: 13.45
Hit factor: 4.0
Percentage: 35% D class

Run 3
Division: Production
Total points: 56
Total time: 12.27
Hit factor: 4.5
Percentage: 39% D class

Run 4
Division: Production
Total points: 60
Total time: 12.3
Hit factor: 4.9
Percentage: 43% C class

Progressively better on each run. I am shooting this at a controlled pace and haven really let loose just to see how fast I can go, maybe

Mike

Sal Picante
11-02-2015, 03:30 PM
Running this for score on Wed!

Range1
11-04-2015, 03:44 PM
Glock 34, strong side OWB holster, open front vest
Production Division
Run 1
46 points
9.9 seconds
4.65 Hit Factor
40.75%

Run 2
52 points
10.2 seconds
5.10 Hit Factor
45.70%

Both low C class

Using Glock 23 with 9mm conversion, same set up as above
Run 1
50 points
11.93 seconds
4.19 Hit Factor
36.72%

Run 2
48 points
11.99 seconds
4.00 Hit Factor
35.06%

Both solid D class

Mr_White
11-05-2015, 01:57 PM
Mr_White, how many times does the PF USPSA club allow shooters to reshoot the classifier?

However many times they want, they just have to upload a PF dollar to my account each time.

Lon
11-05-2015, 03:04 PM
The Candice backlash hit CO. My buddy, who was only interested for theoretical reasons, was recently told by two CO clubs, no re-shoots of a classifier period. I told him that he should move to a more classifier friendly state.

Candice backlash? WTF is that? Link?

Peally
11-05-2015, 03:06 PM
Candice backlash? WTF is that? Link?

Doodie project thread. It was pretty entertaining and illuminating.

GJM
11-05-2015, 03:18 PM
Doodie project thread. It was pretty entertaining and illuminating.

What is Doodie Project?

Lon
11-05-2015, 03:30 PM
4266

Surely you jest!!!!

Peally
11-05-2015, 03:47 PM
What is Doodie Project?

Basically ARFCOM GD for USPSA shooters ;)

Sal Picante
11-05-2015, 03:51 PM
Basically ARFCOM GD for USPSA shooters ;)

No. Worse.


Getting back on track...

I 0'd the classifier last night. Ouch. Needs moar work.

1st string was a 2.45, all A's except the last shot which was a mike-no-shoot. Then I just said, "Kittens" and rant eh 2nd string in 1.99, tossing 2 more mike-no-shoots.

Eh...

Lon
11-05-2015, 10:19 PM
Read the first few pages of the DP thread. Epic.

Sal Picante
11-06-2015, 11:52 AM
Read the first few pages of the DP thread. Epic.

Just take that all with a grain of salt - nothing is serious, but everything is serious - some horrible stuff, but some funny stuff as well...

Clusterfrack
11-06-2015, 08:07 PM
P320, strong side OWB
Production

60 points
7.07 seconds
8.5 hit factor
75%

58 points
7.52 seconds
7.7 hit factor
68%

Mickey
11-11-2015, 05:05 PM
92A1 strong side OWB safariland GLS
Production
58 points
13.36
4.3413 hit factor
38.04
D class
I was a little disappointed with the D class ranking but this was the first time I have really run a TDA for any kind of classifier so I will take it.
The trijicon sights were shooting way low for me, I'm going to need to order a new rear sight.

Mr_White
11-11-2015, 05:07 PM
92A1 strong side OWB safariland GLS
Production
58 points
13.36
4.3413 hit factor
38.04
D class
I was a little disappointed with the D class ranking but this was the first time I have really run a TDA for any kind of classifier so I will take it.
The trijicon sights were shooting way low for me, I'm going to need to order a new rear sight.

It's hard to shoot a high score on USPSA classifiers. This one particularly hard.

Sal Picante
11-11-2015, 06:28 PM
It's hard to shoot a high score on USPSA classifiers. This one particularly hard.

But... You can just game it!

;)

USPSA classifiers are the heat for drills...

Mr_White
11-11-2015, 06:34 PM
But... You can just game it!

;)


I know, I mean if I had a nickel for every USPSA shooter I've met who gamed and lucked their way into a GM classification and then failed to shoot a pistol better than almost everyone else I've ever met, I'd have just as much money as I have right now.

Clobbersaurus
11-15-2015, 07:48 PM
Equipment used : Beretta 92D Centurion, JMCK Holster, Blackhawk mag pouch, Knit shirt for concealment.
Division: Production
Total points: 56 (10A, 2C)
Total time: 11.16 (5.79, 5.37)
Hit factor 5.017
Percentage: 43.97% C Class

I shot these with IPSC classic targets (well, home-made reproductions because I'm cheap when it comes to targets). I shot from concealed and I only did the classifier once. I did both strings starting up-range, because I misread the instructions. :rolleyes:

Pics of the targets. They are a mess from other drills I ran today.
http://i.imgur.com/iLupjggl.jpg

T1:
http://i.imgur.com/Gw5XEGDl.jpg

T2:
http://i.imgur.com/zltBBWOl.jpg

T3:
http://i.imgur.com/T4VIBGll.jpg

bigslim
11-18-2015, 04:00 PM
Run 1
Equipment used: G19 Gen 4, Raven Concealment Phantom IWB
Division: Production
Total points: 60
Total time: 11.40
Hit factor: 5.2
Percentage: 45% C class

Run 2
Division: Production
Total points: 55
Total time: 9.90
Hit factor: 5.8
Percentage: 50 C class

Run 3
Division: Production
Total points: 58
Total time: 11.50
Hit factor: 5.2
Percentage: 45 C class

Run 4
Division: Production
Total points: 56
Total time: 10.86
Hit factor: 5.1
Percentage: 58 C class

Run 5
Division: Production
Total points: 60
Total time: 11.45
Hit factor: 5.2
Percentage: 45 C class


Mike