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Mr_White
09-11-2015, 12:33 PM
Week 129: Lateral Shooting On The Move Practice

Results may be posted until October 11th, 2015

Designed by: Gabe White, borrowing heavily from mechanics of some of Ben Stoeger's drills
Range: 7 yards, or shooter's choice
Target: One silhouette target of shooter's choice that has a body target zone and a head target zone
Start Position: Holstered
Rounds Fired: Approximately 40

This drill is intended as a basic practice addressing shooting on the move. It is not a test. I like using the distance of 7 yards since that is often considered the outer edge of likely self-defense engagement distance, and it produces numbers that can be compared to many other drills. Alternatively, if shooting on the move at 7 yards is going to force you into very slow movement, then try a closer distance so that you can maintain a reasonably useful speed of movement.

First we're going to establish a par time for just the shooting alone. At the 7 yard line (or the distance you chose), use the timer and at the start signal, draw and shoot two shots to the body and one shot to the head, at an on-demand/match pace, and without moving. Shoot what you can do comfortably, without pushing or rushing. Record your time to perform this task without error. This will be your par time for the rest of the drill. If you don't make all the hits the first time, repeat it until you do. If you are shooting in an on-demand/match pace manner, this should be very unlikely to be necessary.

Next, we're going to use that par time to push us by doing the same task, now with lateral movement added.

Do six repetitions of drawing and shooting two shots to the body and one shot to the head, while moving laterally to the right. Record your times and hits.

Do six repetitions of drawing and shooting two shots to the body and one shot to the head, while moving laterally to the left. Record your times and hits.

The priorities are these:

Draw and begin moving at the same time. Don't delay the movement waiting on the draw.

Try to make good hits within the par time established.

Move as fast and as far as you can while still doing the shooting well. Continue moving at least as long as it takes to fire all the shots, preferably at least a little bit longer than that.

Managing the range space: It is fine if you need to offset yourself laterally from the target in order to have enough room to move with the range space you have available. For example, when you are moving to the right, you can start some distance off to the left of the target, so that when you move right you have enough time to complete the shooting without artificially slowing your speed of movement, running into the wall of the range, or creating an unsafe shot angle.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used)
Target used
Par time established
Times and hits for each of the twelve strings
Total time for all twelve strings combined
Total hits for all twelve strings combined
Anything you noticed

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

backtrail540
09-11-2015, 05:37 PM
CZ P09, JMCK AIWB, under a polo
paper plate, 3x5 card
3.03
7yds
1. 3.17 -1h 2. 3.16 -1h 3. 3.07 -1h 4. 3.06 -2b 5. 4.05 -1h-2b 6. 3.59 -1h
1. 3.11 -1h-1b 2. 2.59 -1h-1b 3. 3.06 -1b-1h 4. 3.2 -1h 5. 3.07 -1h 6. 3.06 -1h

Total Time - 38.19 Total hits - 18/36

So shooting on the move at a 3x5 at 7 yds is not something I can do. I only hit it one time and on that run I missed both body shots on the plate. This drill was really hard for me. I moved at a pace that cleared the distance across the bay from one berm to the other, sometimes being a few feet shy of the other side when finishing shooting, sometimes running out of room before finishing shooting. The bay is approximately 12-15 ft wide, I forgot to measure. So since this was obviously above my skill level at 7 I ran it again at 5.

5 yds
1. 2.97 2. 2.96 -1h 3. 3.16 4. 3.01 5. 2.76 -1h 6. 2.85 -1h-1b
1. 3.13 2. 2.97 -1h-1b 3. 3.04 4. 2.82 -1h 5. 2.86 6. 3.27

Total time - 35.8 Total hits - 29

I still struggled on the 3x5 at this distance, missing 5 headshots and even 2 on the plate. Shooting on the move is not something I've done much, I don't really know what proper lateral movement while shooting should look like outside of watching an old Max Michel AMU video.(I surely didn't look like that) I made a point to not go at a slow crawl, at least it didn't feel that way. It is most definitely not one of my strong suites. That's one of the things I love since starting the dotw, it definitely exposes my weaknesses. There are many haha.

Also I noticed that drawing while already moving made for an awkward draw.

JHC
09-11-2015, 06:57 PM
3x5???!!! ;)

backtrail540
09-11-2015, 07:06 PM
Probably not the best choice for a head target...I would've been better served using the uspsa target it was stapled too haha

MD7305
09-12-2015, 10:42 PM
Glock 22/TLR1
Safariland 6360, complete duty belt.
Target: original style P-T target
Par: 3.50 (I shot three test runs that averaged 3.52 so I rounded down to 3.50)

Right Strings:
1.) 2.66 (-1H)
2.) 3.15 (-1H)
3.) 3.81 Clean (over time, 1 shot)
4.) 3.29 Clean
5.) 3.27 Clean
6.) 3.54 Clean (over time, 1 shot)
Left String:
1.) 2.98 (-1H)
2.) 3.02 Clean
3.) 3.62 Clean (over time, 1 shot)
4.) 3.63 Clean (over time, 1 shot)
5.) 3.26 Clean
6.) 2.96 (-1H, -1B)

Total Time: 39.19
Total Score: 27/36 (4 over time, 5 misses)

I found the 3x5/head box difficult on this drill. Not only was I trying to move, draw from a level III retention holster, and think simultaneously but also get hits on the 3x5 box. I truly don't SOM enough and it shows. I shot two handed free style but considered turning and firing WHO when moving right and SHO when moving left. I may try that next time as an experiment but I'd really only think that would be advantageous when needing to move more quick-like.

Range1
09-15-2015, 04:20 PM
Equipment: M7P .40FS, vest, CompTac OWB holster
Target: IDPA
Par time: 4.06

Moving left:
3.62 -1 head
4.48 -1 Body and 1 overtime
4.88 -1 Body and 1 overtime
4.38 -1 overtime
4.86 -1 overtime
4.28 -1 overtime

Moving right:
4.11 -1 overtime
4.06 - (Yeah)
4.00 -(Yeah again)
3.88 -(?)
3.42 -(??)
3.16 -(???)

Total time: 49.18
Total score: 33/36 hits, includes overtime shots (28/36 without overtime shots)

Obviously moving right was much easier for me. Don't know what happened on the last 5, but I do know I started trusting the sights. As soon as front sight was on target I pressed the trigger. Did not really think about it. Now to make it consistent.

DEG
09-20-2015, 02:39 PM
Tried this drill for the first time this morning and posted the results in my training journal. Not sure how to link to it from here, but it is the "20 Sept 2015 - DotW" post from today.

Mr_White
09-22-2015, 01:36 PM
Gen3 G34, concealed under a polo shirt in a Keeper

USPSA Metric target (that's the target that I used, but I was looking for hits in the upper portion of the lower A-zone, and I wasn't trying to confine myself to the tiny upper A-zone - I was just looking for head hits to not be in the periphery of the head)

Par time: 1.55

Going right: 1.53c, 1.63c, 1.62 -1 body (close C), 1.65c, 1.65 -1 head (actual miss from upper/lower body tension), 1.73c

Going left: 1.84c, 1.67 -1 body (close C), 1.74c, 1.83 -1 body (close C) and -1 head (in the head box, marginal though), 1.86c, 1.79c

Total time: 20.54

Total hits: 21/24 body + 10/12 head = 31/36 total

Things I noticed: Really tough to maintain the par time on the move. Par time was established comfortably, but probably should have made myself even more comfortable. It definitely pushed me in trying to keep the par on the move, even though I only had one movement string under the actual par time. I was actually a bit surprised I was able to stay as close to the par on the move as I did. Overall I was pretty happy with the shooting. All the movement was at a brisk walk. Shooting in a direction perpendicular to the direction of movement creates a lot of upper/lower body tension, which is where the true head miss and the close Cs came from, and using the sights and trigger well in the face of that tension is what feels like it eats up the extra time. Lots more tension going right to left than left to right, which is clearly reflected in the times.

That Guy
10-05-2015, 09:19 AM
Equipment used was a Walther P99, in a JMCK holster, concealed. Target used was a IDPA target. And if I recall correctly, I shot this from 5 yards, as that was the distance already set up on the range.

String 1: 3.47s - I took this quite, quite deliberately. I set the PAR time to 3.5s on my timer.

From left to right:

2.69s, -2 - both body hits in -1, good head hit
2.91s, -5 - missed the head, dammit!
2.94s, clean
3.30s, -5 - missed the head
3.22s, -5 - missed the head again!
3.59s, -1 - I recall having difficulty getting a sight picture on the head in this one, possibly a little stumbling.


From right to left:

2.85s, -5 - so close but the headshot was slightly low
2.57s, clean
2.58s, clean
2.43s, -1
2.67s, -5 - missed the head
2.93s, -6 - dammit.

Looks I rushed a bit too much. Or set the PAR time a bit too high - I honestly could have shot that first string a bit quicker. Going from right to left is much easier for a left-handed shooter.

bigslim
10-06-2015, 02:01 PM
Equipment used: G19 gen 4, Raven Phantom IWB, concealed under a tee shirt
Target used:Pistol Training
Par time established: 3.30

Times and hits for each of the twelve strings

Moving Right:
4.23 clean
4.19 clean head shot outside of 3x5
4.37 -1B
4.47 clean 1 body shot outside of 8" circle
4.13 clean head shot outside of 3x5
3.99 clean head shot outside of 3x5 and 1 body shot outside of 8" circle

Moving Left:
4.00 -1H -1B
4.02 clean head shot outside of 3x5
4.40 clean
4.29 clean
3.70 -1H -1B
3.82 clean

Total time for all twelve strings combined: 49.61

Total hits for all twelve strings combined: 31/36

Anything you noticed: Made three runs to find par, while I didn't make time on any run I was pretty happy with the results. I'm sure I could have gone faster if I was going for the 6x6 head and the entire body.

Mike