Week 127: Warren Advanced 3-Second Standards

[Mr_White]

Week 127: Warren Advanced 3-Second Standards

Results may be posted until September 28th, 2015

Designed by: Scott Warren
Range: Varies, see description below
Target: Three IDPA or USPSA Metric targets, spaced two feet apart shoulder to shoulder
Start Position: Holstered, except on WHO strings, see description below
Rounds Fired: 63

Use a shot timer set with a 3-second par for each string. Extra/make-up shots are not allowed. Shots anywhere in the entire head (A/B zones) count as hits. Overtime shots count as misses.

A. At the start signal, shoot one shot to the head of each target, from left to right.
B. At the start signal, shoot one shot to the head of each target, from right to left.
C. At the start signal, shoot one shot to the head of each target, starting on the center target, then engaging the left and right targets in any order.

Do parts A, B, and C from:

5 yard line, freestyle

7 yard line, freestyle

10 yard line, freestyle

15 yard line, freestyle

5 yard line, SHO

5 yard line, WHO, starting in a ready position

Variable distance, shooting while moving. Do part A while advancing from the 10 to the 5 yard line. Do part B while retreating from the 5 to the 10 yard line. Do part C while advancing from the 10 to the 5 yard line.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used)
Targets used
Total score out of the possible 63 points
Anything you noticed

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[Luke]

Can anyone explain this part to me?


Variable distance, shooting while moving. Do part A while advancing from the 10 to the 5 yard line. Do part B while retreating from the 5 to the 10 yard line. Do part C while advancing from the 10 to the 5 yard line.


So... Do we move on all strings on fire? What do we do on the 15 yard line. I know I shouldn't be, but I'm so confused.

[Luke]

Ok I googled it (should have done that in the first place)

http://pistol-training.com/drills/warren-advanced-3-second-standards

I can understand what's going on now :)

[nwhpfan]

61/63. By far my best ever. I dropped 2 at weak hand on the last drill.... center then the outside targets.

Glock 34
USPSA Production Rig.

What did I notice....

When I got my hits at 15 I was thinking I was looking pretty good to clean it; which I've never done before. I think my PR was 57-59 or so. Then on the last weak hand I dropped 2. Went on to clean the rest. To be fair, after I missed the pressure was off which I had been feeling it just a tad. Working under pressure and learning to overcome it is good.

[Mr_White]

61/63. By far my best ever. I dropped 2 at weak hand on the last drill.... center then the outside targets.

Glock 34
USPSA Production Rig.

What did I notice....

When I got my hits at 15 I was thinking I was looking pretty good to clean it; which I've never done before. I think my PR was 57-59 or so. Then on the last weak hand I dropped 2. Went on to clean the rest. To be fair, after I missed the pressure was off which I had been feeling it just a tad. Working under pressure and learning to overcome it is good.

That's really burly, great job!

[backtrail540]

CZ P09, JMCK AIWB, polo
Uspsa target
38/63
I had a few goose eggs, two during the weak hand portion and one during the retreat on part b of the movement. I couldn't make time on the 15 yard string, so i had a few clean runs but i was over time. Overall a very enjoyable yet challenging test. I know i have a sho/who deficiency ave have started doing more of that dry.

[BehindBlueI's]

Sig P226 .40, Bladetech Eclipse OWB, no concealment. Speer Lawman 180gr.

44/63 I could only fire 2 shots once from 10y (C) and all 3 times from 15y. I also didn't get the 3rd shot off once on WHO. The rest I was down were just misses.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb183/Docwagon1776/Ruger/P9040004_zpsx1bb5ild.jpg


GP100 Match Champion, .357, Reloads (125gr Berry Bullet, 7.3 gr CFE Pistol, CCI magnum SPP) Don Hume thumb snap avenger style OWB holster.
34/63. 38 hits, but 4 were after the buzzer so I took -4 for over time shots. Only 2 shots per string from 15y, bobble with thumb snap once at 10y led to only one shot on string B (2nd was over time). WHO had the other 3 over time shots. Force of habit led me to tuck my right hand tight against me and muffle the buzzer so I didn't realize until after the string.

Things noted:

Recoil was, of course, harder to control on the GP100. However the front sight was also easier to track through recoil. My misses were almost always high, pulling the trigger before letting the front sight settle again, and this was true for both pistols. I was breaking my first shot at around 1.50-1.65 and 3rd shot at around 2.75-2.90. Any tighter time constraints and my score would have suffered quite a bit. My speed didn't very much until 15y. WHO would have been real ugly from the holster, even starting pointing at the "feet" of the middle target, I was right against the time limit with a 2.97 on the C string with the P226, and went over a few times with the GP100.

I'm out of practice with speed loaders. It's a good thing there was no timed reload during this.

[Clobbersaurus]

25/63

Beretta Centurion clone - 9mm
AIWB holster under a polo shirt.

The par times on this were impossible for me. I guess I shouldn't say impossible, rather very difficult for my current skill level.
I only met one par time; run B at 7 yards with no misses.
WHO was a disaster, getting only two points total for the three runs.

Advanced standards indeed!

I used two overlapping 3x5 index cards for the "heads". Targets were spaced properly.

[MD7305]

09/07/2015

-Glock 22/ TLR1, Safariland 6360, full duty belt set up
-3x standard IDPA targets
48/63pts.
I lost 4 shots to time (-2 at 15yds, -1 WHO, and -1 on "C" advancing from 10-5 yds.) that left me with 11 other misses.

When I read the 3sec par and decided to shoot with my duty gear I figured I'd never make the par. Surprisingly I was doing pretty good until 15 yds, the timer was buzzing about the time my sights transitioned to the last target. On my better runs I was clearing my draw and 3 shots at about a 2.85-2.90 window. Of course moving back took more time due to the target becoming smaller. Liked the drill, I don't SOM nearly enough. WHO was bad even though it was at low ready. I can shoot accurately WHO but adding speed everything goes to poop.

Takeaways:
-all the duty holster draw practice is showing fair dividends.
-need to work transitions more.
-WHO on a timer is in my future.



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[Ptrlcop]

G17/rmr from Raven phantom open carried.

Score was 46/63

At 5sho I was a little cold and dropped one rd on all three stages

At 7 I was warmed up and cleaned it
At 10 I had two misses and 2 over time
Sho and who I dropped 5 each from having trouble driving the gun fast enough.

Uspsa targets

[taadski]

I dabbled with this one a bit at the end of a range session yesterday. I didn't' shoot the whole thing but shot some parts. I'll shoot it in earnest sometime later this week. Some impressions though…

I'm eating my own words re par times that I made in Bill's journal the other day. :p Given the time constraints, everything has to happen pretty flawlessly. I was using my work holster. Felt confident/good with the pars at the closer stations. At 10 yards I was ok if things happened smoothly. But if there was a bobble of any kind, I'd have to hurry faster than is prudent to get done under time. At 15, the wheels fell off time-wise for me. I ran a bunch of clean runs from there, but they were in the lower 4s, well over par. I didn't look at the splits, but I suspect I'll be fortunate to get 2 of 3 hits counting at this range.


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[Mr_White]

Equipment used (pistol, holster, optional concealment garment if one was used): Gen3 G34, concealed under a polo shirt in a Keeper AIWB holster
Targets used: USPSA Metric
Total score out of the possible 63 points: 61/63
Anything you noticed: I don't remember ever actually shooting this drill before. Was really pleased to equal nwhpfan's excellent score, quite honestly. One shot lost to jerking the trigger, the other lost to eye sprinting and the resulting bad aim. Times were pretty much 2-2.3 seconds for most of it. Times at the 15 yard line and shooting on the move were more like 2.5 to 2.7. As with some of the recent discussions in Bill Nesbitt's journal and the thread he started, I too find par times difficult to contend with unless they are set specifically for me. I either end up going artificially slow or artificially fast, both of which can easily lead to shooting errors.

[taadski]

Super impressive shooting fellas...

[Mr_White]

Thank you taadski!

[BN]

I hope to shoot this soon, but I'm afraid - - - - - - - very afraid. :)

[BN]

I'm not scared any more. ;)

I used a 2011 Gen 3 G-17 , Blade Tech holster open carry.
IDPA targets.
54/63
I had 7 misses and 2 shots over time. I didn't set the par time on my timer, just looked at the time after each string and made sure there was only 1 shot over time on each string. The par time was pretty quick. :) I had 1 miss at 7, 3 at 15, 1 on SHO and 2 on WHO. 1 over time at 10 and 1 advancing the first time. I enjoyed shooting this.

[taadski]

I got off my arse and shot this drill today. It was my first time shooting it. I'm still skeered a little. ;)

Production rig with the 226. USPSA metric targets.
Overall score was a 50/63.
6 misses
7 OT shots

Clean at the 5 and 7.
Had an unexpected mini-catastrophe at the 10; went over time on two strings and down 2 points. Down 4
At the 15 was more carnage. Over time on all three strings with 4 points down. Down 7
Movement strings: 1 OT. Down 1
SHO strings: Clean
WHO strings: 1 shot over time . Down 1


Comments: This one burned me like I expected it would. I was in particular disappointed with the 10 yard shooting, as I can clean those strings. The shooting at the 15, time-wise, wasn't as much a surprise, but the 4 points down was also disappointing. On the plus side, I think this drill has isolated an area in which I need some substantial work. Some of the components are going to be regular training staples for a bit I think.


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[HopetonBrown]

Robar G3 G34, TTI connector kit, WOTG sights
JM Custom Kydex OWB v2
IDPA targets

5y: 3/3, 3/3, 2/3
7y: 3/3, 2/3, 2/3
10y: 3/3, 2/3, 2/3
15y: 2/3, 1/3, 1/3
SHO: 3/3, 3/3, 2/3
WHO: 1/3, 2/3, 2/3
10y-5y: 2/3, 1/3, 1/3
Total Score: 45/63

Notes: mentally tiring. We did the SHO/WHO at the end. My hand was shaking on the WHO which was the last string of the night. The 5 yard stuff should be gimmes for me.

[Range1]

Okay, knew this was gonna suck but fulfills my new mission in life to make those more challenged than others feel better.

Equipment: M&P .40 FS, CompTac OWB holster, hiking vest
Target: IDPA
Total score (Don't laugh) 26/63

Observations: 3 rounds in 3 seconds from the holster is not realistic for me at the moment. I think it may be a good goal though. Most I could get under time was 2 rounds and on the moving only 1. A 2.5 second draw just don't cut it. Something to keep working on.