Training so bad it's painful to watch

[Peally]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNUGGPQMa8U

Looks like they edited it since yesterday, I didn't see the crazy amount of sweeping and the guy that reholstered without looking that dropped his gun on the ground.

They've also removed all the negative comments. I especially loved the ones where they told people to stop being safety nuts.

Some people are too stupid to live.

[GardoneVT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNUGGPQMa8U

Looks like they edited it since yesterday, I didn't see the crazy amount of sweeping and the guy that reholstered without looking that dropped his gun on the ground.

They've also removed all the negative comments. I especially loved the ones where they told people to stop being safety nuts.

Some people are too stupid to live.

They didn't cut the part showing the shooter holstering his cocked Sig.

Training implies progress in skill. This looks to be an ego stroking exercise for the instructor and his shooting acolyte.

[Chris Rhines]

Was this actually some kind of training class, or was it s couple of dudes getting together for some practice?

Either way, the really painful part isn't the sweeping, the reholstering of a cocked pistol, the drop-leg holster flopping around the dude's knee, the questionable trigger finger indexing, the starting a drill with hands on the gun, or the non-existant backstop.

The painful part is that these dudes clearly want to be competent shooters. The desire is there, but the ability is sorely lacking. That makes me sad.

[Peally]

Apologies, no time to rewatch today. You're right this isn't training, this is tacticool dimwits feeling cool, brought to the absolute extreme.

[HCM]

The Serpa thigh rig speaks for itself but what's up with the guy with the RDS wearing his holster up in his armpit?

[Peally]

Was this actually some kind of training class, or was it s couple of dudes getting together for some practice?

Either way, the really painful part isn't the sweeping, the reholstering of a cocked pistol, the drop-leg holster flopping around the dude's knee, the questionable trigger finger indexing, the starting a drill with hands on the gun, or the non-existant backstop.

The painful part is that these dudes clearly want to be competent shooters. The desire is there, but the ability is sorely lacking. That makes me sad.

Don't forget the badass code names.

I don't honestly think much desire is there for improvement. If it was we wouldn't be watching this.

[Chris Rhines]

Don't forget the badass code names.

I don't honestly think much desire is there for improvement. If it was we wouldn't be watching this.

Didn't catch the code names, I was watching on my phone with the sound off. Yeah, that's extremely lame.

If there was truly no desire for learning among that group, I don't that they would have brought out the timer. Maybe. Maybe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[ReverendMeat]

If there was truly no desire for learning among that group, I don't that they would have brought out the timer. Maybe. Maybe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

That was my thought too. It's obviously not formal training, I just see a couple guys who seem to want to get better at shooting so they brought a timer to help give a little structure to their range trip. As far as YouTube gun-related asshattery goes I don't see much to get worked up about.

[GardoneVT]

Didn't catch the code names, I was watching on my phone with the sound off. Yeah, that's extremely lame.

If there was truly no desire for learning among that group, I don't that they would have brought out the timer. Maybe. Maybe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

They should have skipped the timer and packed a calendar instead.

[RevolverRob]

That's enough for today and this week. I called someone out on another spot on the internet, for having four Noveske's, a Vang-Comp 870, five pistols, chest rig, ammo, stacks of magazines, etc. but storing it all in a Stack-On steel locker and calling it "secure". The same person showed their "training" - shooting a 'Veske with a Aimpoint on top at 25 yards and was "pleased" when he got "most of the rounds on target".

The tactical-derpitude being demonstrated recently illustrates to me the old addage is true, "A fool and his money are soon parted." - I'm pulling out of the internets this week, full stop. I'm gonna go work on my dissertation and dryfire for a while.

[LittleLebowski]

It really is more rewarding to go out and shoot and then to update your training journal here :D

Negativity can be infectious.

[Alpha Sierra]

Same group of ballers running what they call El Presidente

FF to 3:23 for the money shot


http://youtu.be/9ZEP1-Dt6ag

[scw2]

My buddy just got into shooting and got his first gun recently. Really been trying to show him some fundamentals, but I'm pretty new and not an instructor, so really just focusing on trying to impart safety. Been trying to encourage some formal training for safety + fundamentals, but he seems really hesitant. Honestly if he just wants to make stuff go bang, as long as he does so safely who am I to judge? But I really don't want to see him turn out like these guys or the poor guy in the other thread that shot himself holstering AIWB.

[Alpha Sierra]

Been trying to encourage some formal training for safety + fundamentals, but he seems really hesitant.

My bet is that he's hesitant for the same reason most men are hesitant to compete with firearms: most American men think they were born being good at three things: driving, shooting, and you can guess #3. Therefore he doesn't think he needs instruction.

[Chuck Haggard]

Please stop clicking on videos of retards on YouTube, clicks are all they care about

[OnionsAndDragons]

My bet is that he's hesitant for the same reason most men are hesitant to compete with firearms: most American men think they were born being good at three things: driving, shooting, and you can guess #3. Therefore he doesn't think he needs instruction.

So much this.

Maybe 1/10 in the average basic or intro level class are as good as they think they are. But, you have to get over the hurdle of ego-fear to go see this for yourself.

If somebody actually wants to get better/good, they will eventually get over that. Sometimes it takes some encouragement or reinforcement that almost everyone was at that point at some time. It's just like going to the gym: showing up and putting in the time is honorable and respectable to anyone whose opinion one should give a frak about.


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[Alpha Sierra]

Please stop clicking on videos of retards on YouTube, clicks are all they care about
It's like a bad wreck. You know you shouldn't look, but you can't help yourself.......

[Kyle Reese]

The painful part is that these dudes clearly want to be competent shooters. The desire is there, but the ability is sorely lacking. That makes me sad.

Concur. They'd definitely improve if they opted to train with a competent, professional instructor.

[Chris Rhines]

Concur. They'd definitely improve if they opted to train with a competent, professional instructor. I've long been of the opinion that most 'serious' gun people train too much, and practice too little. The YouTube video is a good example of the extreme opposite.

[StraitR]

Please stop clicking on videos of retards on YouTube, clicks are all they care about

This.

Also, this is one of the rare places I can go online and escape the derp. Everyone is aware of this junk, and where to find it, no need to muddy the waters here.

[HopetonBrown]

They didn't cut the part showing the shooter holstering his cocked Sig.


It appears to be SAO.

[ST911]

Whatever they're doing, it's a great deal more than the overwhelming majority of cops, CCW'ers and gun owners (vice shooters) were doing at the time.

I'm not inclined to mock them.

[LittleLebowski]

Whatever they're doing, it's a great deal more than the overwhelming majority of cops, CCW'ers and gun owners (vice shooters) were doing at the time.

I'm not inclined to mock them.

It would indeed be cool if more people knew what the El Prez was. Also, it's very easy to be negative.

[GardoneVT]

Whatever they're doing, it's a great deal more than the overwhelming majority of cops, CCW'ers and gun owners (vice shooters) were doing at the time.

I'm not inclined to mock them.

Unless they're bucking for a "Gun Owner Shoots Self, Dies" headline on the evening news.

[Alpha Sierra]

Whatever they're doing, it's a great deal more than the overwhelming majority of cops, CCW'ers and gun owners (vice shooters) were doing at the time.

I'm not inclined to mock them.

I suppose that's one way of looking at it.

My way of looking at it is that they would be better off being gun owners, and not touching any firearms, until they were taught how to even use them by someone with a clue.

[Alpha Sierra]

http://youtu.be/UFX9OaOFK0U

[BaiHu]

Not seeing the original with other Derp like flagging and muzzling, I can just say this:

At some point, we've all been in the "don't know what we don't know" category, but these guys, like most people these days, just like to put everything on YouTube.

And like most people these days, we're just clicking the bait and engaging the Derp. Not judging or blaming anyone, just observing.

[johncorey]

Did anyone else catch this gem!!!???

"What's our range?"
-"Dunno. COMBAT DISTANCE!"

Combat Distance. For all those times when you don't have any real measurement parameter.

[Alpha Sierra]

Did anyone else catch this gem!!!???

"What's our range?"
-"Dunno. COMBAT DISTANCE!"

Combat Distance. For all those times when you don't have any real measurement parameter.

Combat hits: missing half the time
Combat speed: slow as shit
Combat reload: dropping mags on the ground

[johncorey]

Ever since Neophytes have injected themselves into the post-9/11 GWOT lingo, I've become 5% more irritable with their type. This phenomena went mainstream during these last 14 years, and I think it's here to stay sadly...

[Hambo]

Avoiding negativity, the code names made me laugh and reminded me of this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARgBrXwGidM

[jondoe297]

Whatever they're doing, it's a great deal more than the overwhelming majority of cops, CCW'ers and gun owners (vice shooters) were doing at the time.

I'm not inclined to mock them.

Maybe, but I think that I have to disagree with you on the cop part. The slugs that only shoot the minimal amount for requalifications are at least usually getting taught correctly. I would take twice a year remedial instruction that's done correctly over the level of incompetence in that video, being taught daily.

[s0nspark]

Negativity can be infectious.

So true... words of wisdom from "The (Little)Dude"

:)

[s0nspark]

A positive attitude and willingness (desire) to improve are important things to take care to preserve in other shooters, especially those who are new and/or inexperienced.

Come on too strong with the criticisms and make someone defensive and I bet they'll barely hear you, much less listen and thoughtfully consider what you're saying.

Now, if they are pig-headed fools then I say brain them with the TRUTH :)

[s0nspark]

Combat hits: missing half the time
Combat speed: slow as shit
Combat reload: dropping mags on the ground

Combat reholster: dropping gun on the ground

[BobLoblaw]

I'm nothing special in terms of speed and accuracy compared to most of you guys but I know the blind leading the blind when I see it. Some of that shit makes me cringe.

[Kyle Reese]

Combat reholster: dropping gun on the ground

Also cramming the weapon back into the holster at full speed.

[Alpha Sierra]

Combat reholster: dropping gun on the ground

:cool:

[Dagga Boy]

I had a couple friends start with the "call signs". This must be some new YouTube/Facebook thing because I don't get it. Nicknames and call signs are usually given by others in real organizations and they are usually funny and not cool. So my buddies come up with "Eagle" and "Hawk". I found this dumb, so I now refer to them as "Pigeon" and "sparrow". What is funny is the funny ones took and that is how they are still referred to.

[Totem Polar]

http://youtu.be/UFX9OaOFK0U

Dude.

"I used to be a 'people person', but 'people' ruined that for me."

[Wondering Beard]

Fruit loops:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R1VakBLD1s

[Trooper224]

What are you guys talking about? I saw an RDS, 5.11 pants, lots of gear on the belt, call signs and the quote, "They taught us in the academy........" These are some HSLD pipe hitters.

http://image2.8ball.co.uk/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/700x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/o/TopGunTshirt_TalkToMeGoose_CU_19_1.jpg

[Alpha Sierra]

I had a couple friends start with the "call signs". This must be some new YouTube/Facebook thing because I don't get it. Nicknames and call signs are usually given by others in real organizations and they are usually funny and not cool. So my buddies come up with "Eagle" and "Hawk". I found this dumb, so I now refer to them as "Pigeon" and "sparrow". What is funny is the funny ones took and that is how they are still referred to.

JAFO

[Maple Syrup Actual]

HSLD pipe hitters.


They're hitting the pipe, all right.

My advice: Lay off the tac pipe. That shit will rot your brain.

[Stone]

No offense to anyone but if these youtubers were serious about training they would leave the cameras at home and stop worrying about how the rest of the world feels about their "training day"...

[Alpha Sierra]

Dude.

"I used to be a 'people person', but 'people' ruined that for me."

You can't make this shit up

[s0nspark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_t1nE7Q9rs

Just remember, it can always get worse...

[BaiHu]

The above makes me think of below.


http://youtu.be/oomCIXGzsR0

[Luke]

^^^ that can't be real.. I think that's the funniest thing I've ever seen

[scw2]

^^^ that can't be real.. I think that's the funniest thing I've ever seen

Nope, I went to the guy's tae kwon do facebook page, and based on some of the videos there I think they were 100% serious in the training video.

[GJM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=218&v=9ZEP1-Dt6ag

[OnionsAndDragons]

I say absolutely.

Without talking to guys like this, it's impossible to know if they are genuinely derpy or simply way more ignorant than the average person that takes the time to read PF.

If they just genuinely want to lear, it would be a really good thing. I sure wish I had found this place sooner.


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[GJM]

I can't tell if it is real or a great troll -- there is some really funny stuff there.

[Hambo]

They're hitting the pipe, all right.

My advice: Lay off the tac pipe. That shit will rot your brain.

Just say no, bro.

[s0nspark]

Nope, I went to the guy's tae kwon do facebook page, and based on some of the videos there I think they were 100% serious in the training video.

3813

[BN]

In the grand scheme of things, they aren't that bad. Some of the things I have seen. :( They are out there practicing and learning. Good for them.

[LSP972]

In the grand scheme of things, they aren't that bad. Some of the things I have seen. :( They are out there practicing and learning. Good for them.

Agreed. On the derp register, they are way down the scale compared to your average public range patron. But one wonders what is over that low hill...

And what's with the guy and his off-body holster and what looks like Red Cross-approved swim floaties??? Is that supposed to be some kind of "battle belt"?

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[Alpha Sierra]

On the derp register, they are way down the scale compared to your average public range patron..

Did we watch the same videos?

You know the ones where we see pistols falling out of holsters, atrocious muzzle and finger discipline, crappy marksmanship, questionable gear choices, and goofy self congratulatory banter reinforcing mediocrity?

[Alpha Sierra]

I do hope they offer open enrolment training soon. I'd sign up for it.

[John Hearne]

Watching this reminds me of an important training point - the value of solid initial training for long term success. Say what you will, but it those two had done four days at Front Sight, they'd be way ahead.....

[s0nspark]

Watching this reminds me of an important training point - the value of solid initial training for long term success. Say what you will, but it those two had done four days at Front Sight, they'd be way ahead.....

Lately it seems like many are "training" via YouTube.

[The Apprentice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_t1nE7Q9rs

Just remember, it can always get worse...

Wow! Guess you can use the kids as cover you can always make more right.

[Alpha Sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_t1nE7Q9rs

Just remember, it can always get worse...

What the actual fuck?

[scw2]

It gets better. The guy teaching this stuff calls himself a grandmaster, and his name is Bateman. Grand master Bateman! :D

[RJ]

Lately it seems like many are "training" via YouTube.

Absolutely.

Given

Inability for noobs (like me) to discriminate 'good' trainers from 'poor' trainers

Plus

Barriers to learning (Distance to trainer, cost of training and ammo)

Yields 'Training by Youtube."

Thank goodness I found PF.com; this is the only place online I've found good solid advice backed up by practical experience.

[Alpha Sierra]

It gets better. The guy teaching this stuff calls himself a grandmaster, and his name is Bateman. Grand master Bateman! :D
Are you serious?

[scw2]

Are you serious?

Tried to pull up the facebook page, but it appears down currently. If you look at the google cache of the page (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4xtx6Omic0gJ:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Batemans-USA-TaeKwonDo/112782335399002+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us), you can see some posts where he refers to himself as Grandmaster David Bateman. Can't make this stuff up...

[Alpha Sierra]

If you have some time to kill, grab a pad of paper and a writing stick and keep track of the number of poor/improper techniques and basic handgun safety violations in this gem


http://youtu.be/Eza5Evwm_S8

[LSP972]

Did we watch the same videos?

You know the ones where we see pistols falling out of holsters, atrocious muzzle and finger discipline, crappy marksmanship, questionable gear choices, and goofy self congratulatory banter reinforcing mediocrity?

Okay, you got me. What I meant was (I'm tempted here to use that favorite street denizen phrase when talking to the cops- "See, occifer, what had happened was…") they at least have SOME clue about what they're trying to do… as opposed to the average public range patron.

Definitely some… interesting… holster choices in that video.
.

[BaiHu]

In less than 2 minutes I can see the blind leading the blind. I can also see that one of our local instructors/retired LEO attended the same school with only one addition. At least my local guy muzzles himself and people when the gun is at least shown to be empty.

What is it with people needing to gesticulate with their gun?

[RJ]

Definitely some… interesting… holster choices in that video.
.

Um, I see they have Blackhawk Serpa on their 'approved' list, should be gtg, right? ;)

http://vigilantspectre.blogspot.com/2013/05/vso-approved-gear.html

/Sarcasm

But seriously: I support anyone practicing their 2A rights. These guys are just a bunch of large adolescents play acting in some kind paramilitary fantasy world. No real harm, as long as they don't hurt themselves, or anyone else.

[Alpha Sierra]

In less than 2 minutes I can see the blind leading the blind. I can also see that one of our local instructors/retired LEO attended the same school with only one addition. At least my local guy muzzles himself and people when the gun is at least shown to be empty.

What is it with people needing to gesticulate with their gun?

To save you some time, FF to about 8:40 and enjoy the shit show of unsafeness

[RJ]

Oh, crap, I just remembered why these guys sounded vaguely familiar. They blew up an M&P Pro last March. Same group. Something to do with reloaded ammunition, IIRC

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/407089-smith-wesson-m-p-pro-series-destroyed-catastrophic-failure.html

So maybe I take back what I said about being a danger to themselves or others.

[RJ]

To save you some time, FF to about 8:40 and enjoy the shit show of unsafeness

Ok, bear in mind I'm still learning, but having a dangling retention strap holstering a loaded pistol is a bit of a problem, right?

[Alpha Sierra]

Ok, bear in mind I'm still learning, but having a dangling retention strap holstering a loaded pistol is a bit of a problem, right?

That's a problem, but the real problem, which compounds the dangling strap, is that jabba the hut keeps shoving his pistol into the crap holster WITHOUT decocking it.

If you look carefully, the first shot out of that series is double action. You can see the hammer is down when he draws. Then watch the hammer every time the pistol goes into the holster. It's always cocked back.

And he leaves the line with the cocked pistol in the holster.

None of those guys have even the most remote clue about what they are doing

[BaiHu]

To save you some time, FF to about 8:40 and enjoy the shit show of unsafeness
We are all now dumber having seen this shit. Wow!

1) I thought these were guys training together and just had cute names.

2) I didn't realize they were an "outfit" teaching other people. Holy mother of God.

3) Listening to the "lead instructor" feed babbling brooks of bullshit was impressive.

We don't know what we don't know. SMH.

[Alpha Sierra]

We are all now dumber having seen this shit. Wow!

1) I thought these were guys training together and just had cute names.

2) I didn't realize they were an "outfit" teaching other people. Holy mother of God.

3) Listening to the "lead instructor" feed babbling brooks of bullshit was impressive.

We don't know what we don't know. SMH.

This seems appropriate for them

http://youtu.be/EeuA2v2nqNw

[Kyle Reese]

At least my local guy muzzles himself and people when the gun is at least shown to be empty.

What is it with people needing to gesticulate with their gun?

I've been told "it's cool, it's unloaded", or "I've been around guns muh whole life".

[Vinh]

Slow day at the office. Thanks, I needed that, learned a lot. Love shooting steel without eye pro.

[BaiHu]

I've been told "it's cool, it's unloaded", or "I've been around guns muh whole life".
Thanks for clarifying. Now I know how to be cool [emoji41]

[Alpha Sierra]

If you have some time to kill, grab a pad of paper and a writing stick and keep track of the number of poor/improper techniques and basic handgun safety violations in this gem


http://youtu.be/Eza5Evwm_S8

ETA see if you can spot the brain surgeon that draws his 1911, presses the trigger, and forgets to disengage the safety. Three times in a row.

To his credit, at least he didn't holster a hot, unsafe pistol multiple times.

[Peally]

To those that feel they've lost brain cells by simply watching I apologize. I'm torn between laughing my ass off and wanting off the planet from their other videos; I just thought it was comical enough to post in the Romper Room to brighten the morning.

[Alpha Sierra]

The whole thing is just so stupid and ridiculous........

Can't even have a normal video title like: Trying To Draw A Handgun And Failing.

Nooooooo, we must call it Dynamic (because Haley/Costa) Defensive Secondary Presentation.......

[BaiHu]

The whole thing is just so stupid and ridiculous........

Can't even have a normal video title like: Trying To Draw A Handgun And Failing.

Nooooooo, we must call it Dynamic (because Haley/Costa) Defensive Secondary Presentation.......
Well, in their defense, the primary presentation DID fail [emoji12]

[SteveK]

We have wild "Cleeti" in our woods too, we just stay waaaaay up range and don't film them in the wild.:p

[Alpha Sierra]

I bring gifts to our members who actually have done this kind of thing for real........enjoy


http://youtu.be/e8hOsJDm8SY

[Trooper224]

VSO is proof of no matter how many 'tards you put on the short school bus, they still won't be able to drive it.

[Luke]

Has anybody sent them a message to let them know we at pistol-forum are huge fans and would be honored if they started a training journal?

[GJM]

I like the big dude with the skull cap, fixin' to shoot steel at 10 yards with no eye pro.

[Kyle Reese]

I like the big dude with the skull cap, fixin' to shoot steel at 10 yards with no eye pro.

Those guys are more fucked up than a bag of smashed assholes.


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[Trooper224]

I like the big dude with the skull cap, fixin' to shoot steel at 10 yards with no eye pro.

When Big Country walked into view at 7.38 I started wondering if I was watching a Lord of the Rings movie.

[Luke]

I just can't believe yall have watched the whole videos. There hasn't been one yet I've made it to two minutes on

[GJM]

I just can't believe yall have watched the whole videos. There hasn't been one yet I've made it to two minutes on

It is an acquired taste, lots of pure gold there.

I am still 50/50 as to whether this is a world class troll, sort of like a funny version of YVK and Taadski, or genuine derp? Reminds of a movie "all the way boys." Worst movie I ever saw, and I snookered all my buddies into watching it.

[Kyle Reese]

When Big Country walked into view at 7.38 I started wondering if I was watching a Lord of the Rings movie.

I don't think they take too kindly to speed holstering a cocked SIG into a sausage sack in Middle Earth.

[johncorey]

The saddest testament given is that I actually clicked the "watch on youtube" link because they have blocked it from being viewed elsewhere....Combat Wombat, Citizen Sniper and Co, you are my only friends....

[s0nspark]

The saddest testament given is that I actually clicked the "watch on youtube" link because they have blocked it from being viewed elsewhere....Combat Wombat, Citizen Sniper and Co, you are my only friends....

Man... Those names...


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d(-.-)b

[johncorey]

Man... Those names...


--
d(-.-)b


We are witnessing the first line of armed defense against the Black Helicopter legions!

[Alpha Sierra]

LOL in the last 6 days that video is getting hammered with comments about the derp

[Andy in NH]

My bet is that he's hesitant for the same reason most men are hesitant to compete with firearms: most American men think they were born being good at three things: driving, shooting, and you can guess #3. Therefore he doesn't think he needs instruction.

I though it was; fighting, firing guns and fornicating? :)

[zeroflux]

On a serious note, anyone notice that their channel has close to 70,000 subscribers? That level viewership simply doesn't match up with the antics in the video. Also notice that most videos are running less than 10,000 views, which means most of their subscribers aren't watching their videos...

[Alpha Sierra]

On a serious note, anyone notice that their channel has close to 70,000 subscribers? That level viewership simply doesn't match up with the antics in the video...

I think you seriously underestimate the level of ignorance and lack of skill of the average gun guy on youtube.

[JAD]

I don't think they take too kindly to speed holstering a cocked SIG into a sausage sack in Middle Earth.

One does not simply derp.

[GJM]

Only explanation I can figure, is between the nick names and beards, the gals find them sexy.

[Kyle Reese]

Only explanation I can figure, is between the nick names and beards, the gals find them sexy.

I'm sure that's it. :cool:

[BaiHu]

Only explanation I can figure, is between the nick names and beards, the gals find them sexy.
That and I heard something about "dad bods" being a hit among the early 20 somethings, but that could totally be a "yesterday" thing by now.

Maybe they didn't bother unsubscribing [emoji53]