No more VP9's 40's or P30SK's until 2016

[JodyH]

Word from HK USA is that there will be no more VP9's, VP40's or P30SK's for commercial sales until early 2016.
Something's up in HK land.

Good news is, I should be able to turn a tidy profit on the two VP9's I have sitting in the safe if I wait a month or two and then put 'em up for sale on the "pro" web site.
:cool:

[Luke]

I have the worst luck. Sold a AR with all kinds of stuff right before sandy hook. Now this, sold my vp9 a few weeks ago :(

[Drang]

In addition to Training Journals, we need Trading Journals, where we can track Wannabe's divestitures, and know what to buy... :rolleyes:

[Luke]

In addition to Training Journals, we need Trading Journals, where we can track Wannabe's divestitures, and know what to buy... :rolleyes:

I have a sickness

[pr1042]

I just sold one on Tuesday :(

[GJM]

Plenty of P30SK's on Gunbroker.

[CCT125US]

Link? I need another HK like I need a ........... oh forget it, you can never have too many.

[JodyH]

No more will be leaving H&K for commercial sales until early 2016.
Once the current dealer/distributor inventory is gone, it's gone until next year.
This came from several independent contacts I have and just hit HKPro (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/gmp-parts-company/222891-vp9-not-so-good-news.html) from yet another couple of sources.

[RJ]

Woah.

So, one wonders what they are doing with all those cold hammer forging machines...???

[JodyH]

Rumors are rampant.

[gtmtnbiker98]

Wonder if it is a cash flow issue and the end of the line?

[JodyH]

Hopefully it's a big Gov/Mil/LE type contract and they are going balls out to fill it.
H&K can't live off of US civilian sales alone and temporarily shifting 100% of production into a contract would make sense.

[45dotACP]

Sooo...is it to soon to suggest that it may be because we suck and they hate us?

[MRW]

Hopefully it's a big Gov/Mil/LE type contract and they are going balls out to fill it.
H&K can't live off of US civilian sales alone and temporarily shifting 100% of production into a contract would make sense.

Maybe making more HK416's for zee Germans to replace their wonky G36's.

Could it be an issue of demand outstripping supply? If HK had specific timelines for production and they sold more than they imported, then they may not be able fill additional orders until they get back to the production cycle.

[RJ]

Sooo...is it to soon to suggest that it may be because we suck and they hate us?

That's a given, of course. :cool:





Heart says VP9SK, Brain says JodyH is right.

[JBP55]

That's a given, of course. :cool:





Heart says VP9SK, Brain says JodyH is right.


I hope your heart is the winner.

[okie john]

Hopefully it's a big Gov/Mil/LE type contract and they are going balls out to fill it.

Yep. I'd bet some military guys somewhere are getting new VP9's.


Okie John

[GJM]

You guys are overlooking the obvious. Just as the Gadget funding caused a spike in Glock sales, the USP thread has resulted in a spike in USP sales. Someone in Germany took notice, and they have decided to discontinue making the P30SK and VP9/40 for now, to focus on USP production for the balance of 2015.

[LOKNLOD]

Good news is, I should be able to turn a tidy profit on the two VP9's I have sitting in the safe if I wait a month or two and then put 'em up for sale on the "pro" web site.
:cool:

I like this plan.

[nwhpfan]

Rumors are rampant.

Yeah, I hear they are working on a 1911 - just in time for Shot.

[Dagga Boy]

Yeah, I hear they are working on a 1911 - just in time for Shot.

That is supposed to be a secret.......first rule of HK projects is don't talk about secret HK projects......sheesh.:cool:

[Trooper224]

HK is now making antiques? Cool.

[johncorey]

Hmmmm....maybe this will sway me to perhaps finally punch my ticket on the VP9 train...

[warpedcamshaft]

Obama did it...

:rolleyes:

[Hambo]

Buy Italian. There's less drama than with Ze Germans.

[Jaywalker]

Buy Italian. There's less drama than with Ze Germans.

Right, I'll buy a Beretta 92 Compact instead. No, wait...

[Guinnessman]

I am picking up a second VP9 from a gentleman on HKpro this week. I feel better about my new purchase now that this news has come out. My wife asked me "Why do you need another HK?" I had no good reason last week and simply told her, "Just because."

Now that we have received the news of no HK's until 2016 that will be my new excuse. I hope she understands........but on that note, I have a feeling I may be buying some jewelry soon. ;)

[WDW]

Meh....

[Sensei]

Buy Italian. There's less drama than with Ze Germans.

Someone once told me, "In heaven, the cooks are French, the police are British, the engineers German, the lovers Italian, and it is all run by the Swiss. In hell, the cooks are British, the police German, the lovers Swiss, the engineers French, and it's all run by the Italians."

[PPGMD]

Someone once told me, "In heaven, the cooks are French, the police are British, the engineers German, the lovers Italian, and it is all run by the Swiss. In hell, the cooks are British, the police German, the lovers Swiss, the engineers French, and it's all run by the Italians."

Say what you want about the work ethic of Italians, but at least Beretta isn't teetering on bankruptcy constantly, unlike a certain German arms maker. :p

[HCM]

Ay
Someone once told me, "In heaven, the cooks are French, the police are British, the engineers German, the lovers Italian, and it is all run by the Swiss. In hell, the cooks are British, the police German, the lovers Swiss, the engineers French, and it's all run by the Italians."

We need a like button.

[LorenzoS]

They must be working on the single stack suppressed 10mm in FDE we've all been waiting for.

[JBP55]

VP .45

[LSP972]

Say what you want about the work ethic of Italians, but at least Beretta isn't teetering on bankruptcy constantly, unlike a certain German arms maker. :p

Probably because the same family has controlled the firm forever. They make good stuff, but...

Dunno how it is with the pistols and the "tactical" stuff, but trying to get a high-end Beretta shotgun serviced is... an adventure.

.

[Morbidbattlecry]

VP .45

Oh god please this.

[navyman8903]

I hope it's a VP45 next.

Also they made what? 20,000+ more units than they planned to in the first year. Their original release/import was supposed to be 35,000 handguns, the Serial Numbers are already up into the 55,xxx. I'd say that's pretty good. I'm thinking of picking up a few more myself, but we'll see when I get around to that. HK got it right with the VP9. I'm glad I got a P30sk even though I wasn't chopping at the bit to get one initially. It's a great little gun.

[Buckshot]

Its not just the commercial dealers getting strangled. I'm an LE dealer & I've been told not to hold my breath for any VPs or P30SKs this year. May see one or two here & there but not to get my hopes up.

[JodyH]

I wonder if it's a big Euro LE or Mil contract they're dedicating manufacturing/inventory towards?

[ralph]

I wonder if it's a big Euro LE or Mil contract they're dedicating manufacturing/inventory towards?

I thought about this a bit, and I wonder, maybe they are reworking all the G36's that the German bund is supposedly having trouble with..

[JodyH]

I thought about this a bit, and I wonder, maybe they are reworking all the G36's that the German bund is supposedly having trouble with..
All the G36's are being replaced with 416's and 417's.

[GJM]

For carry AIWB, what is the argument for a 30sk over a P2000 with flat base plates?

[RAM Engineer]

For carry AIWB, what is the argument for a 30sk over a P2000 with flat base plates?

uhhh...less grip to print, and less barrel to jam into your leg/junk when you sit?

[YVK]

For carry AIWB, what is the argument for a 30sk over a P2000 with flat base plates?

Don't have 30sk, but I think it is identical to 2000sk. There's not a lot of argument. You want a P2000 length holster for the junk carry anyway, true to the length sk holster is too short to stay stable.
Grip is numerically shorter but practically it only plays out in very contorted body positions when wearing suboptimal clothing.

Remember thought, I find no difference between 2000 and 30 when everyone says there is. Maybe I am not a person to listen to here.

[ralph]

All the G36's are being replaced with 416's and 417's.

Well, if that's the case, that's probably the answer..HK likely got alot to make,and a short time to do it in..

[JodyH]

You want a P2000 length holster for the junk carry anyway, true to the length sk holster is too short to stay stable.
That's just like your opinion man.

[JBP55]

I spoke to a local dealer today who said the VP9 pistols were still available from distributors.

[YVK]

That's just like your opinion man.

Correct, nothing more than that, but based on carrying an sk in a true length shaggy for about 5 months before switching to a P30 length holster.

[EJO]

I spoke to a local dealer today who said the VP9 pistols were still available from distributors.

I'm hearing the same thing from my dealer JBP55. It sounds like there are plenty to be had in the pipeline.

[Drang]

...the German bund...
I don't think that means what you think it means...

/digression

[RJ]

I don't think that means what you think it means...

/digression

Guessing he meant Bundeswehr. That's how I read it.

[Drang]

Guessing he meant Bundeswehr. That's how I read it.

Oh, I know, but the pedantic history geek from a city that has historically been predominantly German couldn't resist...

[RJ]

Oh, I know, but the pedantic history geek from a city that has historically been predominantly German couldn't resist...

^_^ :cool:




But anyway, back to the original subject.

I sure as heck hope they are working on something useful, whatever it is. Given, as I understand, it's consuming the entire capacity, what exactly IS the factory capacity at Oberndorf?

[ralph]

Guessing he meant Bundeswehr. That's how I read it.

Correct..got the bund part down, and couldn't remember how to spell the rest....oops..So, I just left it...

[ralph]

^_^ :cool:




But anyway, back to the original subject.

I sure as heck hope they are working on something useful, whatever it is. Given, as I understand, it's consuming the entire capacity, what exactly IS the factory capacity at Oberndorf?

My understanding is, compared to other manufacturers it's small.. HK made over 50,000 VP9's last year, compared to say, S&W they probably make that many M&P's in just a few months .

[RJ]

I wonder if it's a big Euro LE or Mil contract they're dedicating manufacturing/inventory towards?

Hmmm...

"Until a decision on a successor to the controversial assault rifle G36 the Department of Defense for military purchases abroad use 1,200 new rifles. It is 600 assault rifles on the basis of already in use in the Bundeswehr G27P and 600 light machine guns of the type MG4. The Ministry of Defence confirmed a report of the "Süddeutsche Zeitung".


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/g36-aerger-bundeswehr-bekommt-neue-gewehre-a-1050232.html

My German is rusty, but Google translated it. Saw this on the Pro forum, might this be what they are up to?

[HCM]

Hmmm...

"Until a decision on a successor to the controversial assault rifle G36 the Department of Defense for military purchases abroad use 1,200 new rifles. It is 600 assault rifles on the basis of already in use in the Bundeswehr G27P and 600 light machine guns of the type MG4. The Ministry of Defence confirmed a report of the "Süddeutsche Zeitung".


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/g36-aerger-bundeswehr-bekommt-neue-gewehre-a-1050232.html

My German is rusty, but Google translated it. Saw this on the Pro forum, might this be what they are up to?

Here's a bit more detail - http://www.miltechmag.com/2015/08/hit-by-g36-woes-bundeswehr-procures.html


HK may not be as big as some other manufacturers but don't think an order for 600 rifles would tie up the entire factory.

[Buckshot]

Well, we got in 1 single, solitary unexpected VP9 this week - & I'm keeping it! I usually let the customer frenzy die down before I indulge, but I like this thing too much to not have one of my own.

[HCM]

They must've been making quite a few VP9's prior to this production hiatus - I saw one in the case at Academy sports the other day. I guess this really is HK's shot to go mainstream.

[john c]

From this article: http://www.thelocal.de/20150828/army-buys-new-rifles-for-soldiers-on-front-line

This might be the answer: "A more permanent decision about whether to replace the army's entire stock of G36 rifles will come later this year."

The order for 600 new rifles and 600 new machine guns looks like it might morph into more than 100,000 new rifles.

[Gary1911A1]

Guess I should buy a VP9 while I have the chance. I shot one at an IDPA Match months ago and liked it better in the first magazine than my Glock 17 with 6000 plus rounds through it. Seen then on GunBroker for under $600.

[Beat Trash]

Guess I should buy a VP9 while I have the chance. I shot one at an IDPA Match months ago and liked it better in the first magazine than my Glock 17 with 6000 plus rounds through it. Seen then on GunBroker for under $600.

Yes you should...

[GJM]

I had no interest in any of these three pistols, until I thought they might be unavailable for a while. Am I alone?

[OnionsAndDragons]

GJM,
I was feeling lukewarm until a combo of this and Patrins great VP9 praise came online. After discovering LEM, I'm happy with the lineup I have now: p30, 2x p2000 and a p2000sk.

However, the lady prefers a striker gun and has been enamored with the PPQ. It's the grip ergos more than anything. After tooling up the p30 for her, she now wants a VP9 and considering the possible scarcity and recent qualified love, I'm finding it hard to argue. I'd be happier with more magazine compatibility, anyway.

I should just cave in already, shouldn't I?


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[CCT125US]

I had no interest in any of these three pistols, until I thought they might be unavailable for a while. Am I alone?
No, but I can't justify one. The VP9 showed up locally about the time I was experiencing worsening hand pain and discomfort. I went to look at it, hoping it might be a solution. However, the sample of one hand a horrendous trigger pull. Following that experience of SMH, each sample seemed to have varying amounts of grit. The current sample that has been in the display for weeks, is scary good. Still won't buy it. But I do understand the can't get.../...must have syndrome. It's probably a marketing ploy by the Teutonic Gnomes.

[Patrin]

GJM,

I should just cave in already, shouldn't I?


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Yes.:cool:

[DocSabo40]

GJM,
I was feeling lukewarm until a combo of this and Patrins great VP9 praise came online. After discovering LEM, I'm happy with the lineup I have now: p30, 2x p2000 and a p2000sk.

However, the lady prefers a striker gun and has been enamored with the PPQ. It's the grip ergos more than anything. After tooling up the p30 for her, she now wants a VP9 and considering the possible scarcity and recent qualified love, I'm finding it hard to argue. I'd be happier with more magazine compatibility, anyway.

I should just cave in already, shouldn't I?


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Am I to understand that a man's wife is trying to talk him into buying a gun? These are strange days indeed.

[JBP55]

Am I to understand that a man's wife is trying to talk him into buying a gun? These are strange days indeed.

When it comes to Firearms many of The Ladies of Today are Enlightened.

[Wondering Beard]

Am I to understand that a man's wife is trying to talk him into buying a gun? These are great days indeed.

FIFY

[DEG]

I had no interest in any of these three pistols, until I thought they might be unavailable for a while. Am I alone?

You're not alone. I just ordered another one today. Sigh. It's a first-world problem for which I am grateful :)

Some background: I had a VP9 for a short while, and I didn't give it even half a chance. There was so much hype, and I was skeptical. Right out of the box, I was comparing it to my P30s, unfavorably.

My first impression was that it had a distracting rear. The red striker, open cover plate, and racking humps made the slide look like it was in estrus. The intestinal trigger spring and overly complex internals made me wonder how the thing even worked. Everything about the VP9 screamed closed system. The stippling was even different than the P30. I thought, WTF? I received an offer to trade it straight across for another P30 with Trij HDs, and I took the deal.

Truly, the threads here moved me to remember what I really liked about it. I liked shooting it. I liked how it ejected and operated without modification. It takes the same mags as my fav P30s. The mag ejects the same as well. It has a great trigger in comparison to my Gen4 G19. I just dig HKs and was looking for excuses to give it another chance. Thanks to all posters for helping me find those excuses.

[GJM]

The VP9/P30 makes a perfect combo -- one to game and one to carry.

I am hearing rumblings there may be a VP9 team next season.

[MGW]

The VP9/P30 makes a perfect combo -- one to game and one to carry.

I am hearing rumblings there may be a VP9 team next season.

It's a shame the P250 isn't the P30 of the Sig world.

[okie john]

Anyone heard anything about this? Still a problem?

Thanks,


Okie John

[Sero Sed Serio]

Anyone heard anything about this? Still a problem?

Thanks,


Okie John

I did some checking around recently, and they're out there, but not a lot of them. Interestingly enough, I had signed up for alerts on P2000s with night sights, and last week got bombarded with back-in-stock notifications, so it looks like a run of P2000s just got pushed through. Not sure what that means as part of the overall picture for HK production, but it seemed like an interesting data point.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to head out to pick up my new P2000...

[okie john]

Thanks.


Okie John

[RJ]

Hm, I dunno. Folks on the 'Pro' forum still seem to be posting regular 'I just picked up my new VP9' threads. So it would appear they are out there if you look.


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[RJ]

I did some checking around recently, and they're out there, but not a lot of them. Interestingly enough, I had signed up for alerts on P2000s with night sights, and last week got bombarded with back-in-stock notifications, so it looks like a run of P2000s just got pushed through. Not sure what that means as part of the overall picture for HK production, but it seemed like an interesting data point.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to head out to pick up my new P2000...

Ya, I like the P2000, a lot. It fondles very well. I'm kinda waiting for SHOT to see what HK brings out.

Be nice if they actually paid attention and brought out a VP9c and a VP9SK.

The dang P30SK I handled in my LGS is just a wee bit too small, even for my size M hands. I think the 5.0" height (a la G19) is the sweet spot for a lot of folks...


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