CZ P-07 rusting issue.

[ralph]

I've been having a problem with my P-07, after a few day of carrying it, I noticed rust forming in the chamber and on the feed ramp of the barrel.. This is somewhat disappointing to me, as none of the other pistols I carry(HK P-2000, VP9, Gen4,G17) will do this. I'm guessing that CZ does not menlonite their barrels? Damn shame, I really like it, but the rusting issue is a deal breaker for me.. Is this a common problem, or did I just get a barrel that wasn't finished right?

[backtrail540]

No issues with mine over 1500 rds or my p09 over 3k and about 6 months.

[Sal Picante]

Dude - I'd call CZ and describe the issue.

I'll bet support helps out.

[ralph]

Dude - I'd call CZ and describe the issue.

I'll bet support helps out.

Yeah, right..I just got off the phone with CZ-USA..Their explanation was that the chamber and feed ramp are left in the white, and depending on humidity etc, it'll rust, so their only advice is to keep the barrel oiled... In a carry gun with a round in the chamber.. right. Talk about a asinine piece of advice. That just about does it for me. I've got a glock, several Hk's that I've carried in the same conditions (hot, humid) for a week or so at a time,(dry bores) and ZERO problems with rust... To me this is unacceptable. So, it may end up going down the road. I'm not having a carry gun that needs continually inspected for rust. In this day and age where even a M&P can have a melonited barrel, there's no reason for CZ not to.

[jh9]

Yeah, right..I just got off the phone with CZ-USA..Their explanation was that the chamber and feed ramp are left in the white, and depending on humidity etc, it'll rust, so their only advice is to keep the barrel oiled... In a carry gun with a round in the chamber.. right. Talk about a asinine piece of advice. That just about does it for me. I've got a glock, several Hk's that I've carried in the same conditions (hot, humid) for a week or so at a time,(dry bores) and ZERO problems with rust... To me this is unacceptable. So, it may end up going down the road. I'm not having a carry gun that needs continually inspected for rust. In this day and age where even a M&P can have a melonited barrel, there's no reason for CZ not to.

Should be plenty of options for having the barrel melonited or hard chromed. APW will do the whole slide/barrel in hard chrome for ~$100 I think. Local smith with a blue tank might hot blue just the barrel for substantially less.

Should it rust? No. But people praise the P07 for being a good budget gun. They have to cut corners somewhere. Cosmetic issues (surface rust) are annoying, but so long as it works...

[ralph]

Should be plenty of options for having the barrel melonited or hard chromed. APW will do the whole slide/barrel in hard chrome for ~$100 I think. Local smith with a blue tank might hot blue just the barrel for substantially less.

Should it rust? No. But people praise the P07 for being a good budget gun. They have to cut corners somewhere. Cosmetic issues (surface rust) are annoying, but so long as it works...

Thanks, but I'm not putting another dime into it. It's a bit more than surface rust, it's pitted in the chamber in a couple of spots. It already has CGW parts and a trigger job done to it. I've got several other pistols of higher quality that don't rust. I'll probably just sell it. I don't need the problems. Somebody else can deal with it. I'm done.

[Wheeler]

If you have the time and inclination Would you mind taking a couple of pictures and posting them? Also, if you don't mind, what's the issue with a little bit of line or rust inhibitor?

[ralph]

If you have the time and inclination Would you mind taking a couple of pictures and posting them? Also, if you don't mind, what's the issue with a little bit of line or rust inhibitor?

Having a oiled chamber in a loaded gun is bad idea. The reason being when the gun is fires the case expands until it hits the walls of the chamber. The case grips the walls of the chamber and the pressure from the case being fired is evenly distributed around the case..When the chamber is oiled, the case is unable to grip the chamber walls, all the pressure is then diverted to the back of the case putting much more pressure on the case head. All this is especially true with rifles, as much more pressure is put on the bolt.

As far a the P-07 barrel goes, it appears that the chamber and feed ramp are left in the white, and that the rest of the inside of the barrel from the chamber forward, may be melonited.. This is what I see looking at it with a flashlight.I can only figure that CZ, in their manufacturing process finish reams the chamber as a last step.. Why, I don't know. but, in this day and age where barrels are commonly melonited all the way through, I don't understand CZ's thinking here. IMO is a serious flaw, and for folks like me who sweat a lot when the temp rises above 80,it's a major PITA. As I said, My 1 and only Glock doesn't do it and none of my HK's do either so, why bother carrying the CZ? Going a bit farther with that line of thinking, seeing how it was bought with the intention of being used as a carry gun, and It turns out it's not quite up to the task, Why keep it?

[Wheeler]

I'm not questioning your decision to ditch the gun. It's not my place to tell other people how to spend their money. I have a couple of P07's and have just started to carry one, so the rusting problem concerns me. That's why I asked about the pictures.

That's interesting about the chamber lube. I've never heard that before and will research it in greater detail.

[GardoneVT]

Should it rust? No. But people praise the P07 for being a good budget gun....

Divergence of uses. The majority of firearm consumers do not dilligently carry or practice with their guns. It should be noted that the low end & medium market products sold in the display cases are frankly not designed for intensive users like ourselves.

[ralph]

I'm not questioning your decision to ditch the gun. It's not my place to tell other people how to spend their money. I have a couple of P07's and have just started to carry one, so the rusting problem concerns me. That's why I asked about the pictures.

That's interesting about the chamber lube. I've never heard that before and will research it in greater detail.

Well, I just cleaned the P-07 up, I've got a digital camera but I don't know if it's capable of getting the pics needed, I'll give it a whirl, and if I manage to get a decent pic showing what I'm talking about, I'll try to post it..So, bear with me this could take some time. As I'm not a photographer, nor am I all that savy with a computer, when it comes to posting pics

[Wheeler]

Fair enough. That's all I can ask for. If I didn't already have two and was bereft of gun funds at the moment I'd try to work a deal with you. Speaking of which, do you have any spare magazines you'd like to sell separately?

[Wheeler]

Divergence of uses. The majority of firearm consumers do not dilligently carry or practice with their guns. It should be noted that the low end & medium market products sold in the display cases are frankly not designed for intensive users like ourselves.
I'm pretty sure Mike Pannone would disagree with your assessment. :)

[ralph]

http//drive.google.com/open? id=ob85MNr

Hope this works

[Wheeler]

http//drive.google.com/open? id=ob85MNr

Hope this works

Nope. Not sure how to post pictures from google drive.

[ralph]

I give up..

[Drang]

Nope. Not sure how to post pictures from google drive.

Generally, right click on the image, "Save image location", return to forum, click "Reply", click on the "picture" icon, and when the window pops up that says something like "Add an image from url" you "Right click/Paste".

[SteveB]

Divergence of uses. The majority of firearm consumers do not dilligently carry or practice with their guns. It should be noted that the low end & medium market products sold in the display cases are frankly not designed for intensive users like ourselves.

Ouch. I have two P-07's, couple thousand rounds through them. One is EDC in JM Kydex AIWB; liking the hammer for this. No reliability issues, no rust. I shoot IDPA with the other one, accurate and good ergos. Both guns went through CZ Custom for trigger and sights, but, all things considered, pretty cheap. Hard not to like them. A lot.

[ralph]

Where do you get the URL for the damn picture? More hassle that it's worth..Sorry

[Drang]

Where do you get the URL for the damn picture? More hassle that it's worth..Sorry

Once you've uploaded the picture, it has a URL. When you right click the picture, and "Copy Image Location" you are copying the URL.

[ralph]

Once you've uploaded the picture, it has a URL. When you right click the picture, and "Copy Image Location" you are copying the URL.

I'm not seeing any of that..No "copy Image location anywhere..

[breakingtime91]

Ouch. I have two P-07's, couple thousand rounds through them. One is EDC in JM Kydex AIWB; liking the hammer for this. No reliability issues, no rust. I shoot IDPA with the other one, accurate and good ergos. Both guns went through CZ Custom for trigger and sights, but, all things considered, pretty cheap. Hard not to like them. A lot.

I am sure they are good guns.. I think blanket stating is it a low end gun because its lower in price is jumping to conclusions...

[ralph]

Fair enough. That's all I can ask for. If I didn't already have two and was bereft of gun funds at the moment I'd try to work a deal with you. Speaking of which, do you have any spare magazines you'd like to sell separately?

Actually, I'd prefer to sell everything in one package..mags, holster, (Bladetech nano) pistol,and all the stuff that came with it. This way I'm not fooling around for weeks at a time trying to get rid of parts and pieces..

[Chance]

Where do you get the URL for the damn picture? More hassle that it's worth..Sorry

You can't post pictures directly to the board unless you're a contributing member (...I think, maybe?). At any rate, I'd be very curious to see photos as well, as I've been considering picking up a CZ P-09. With the humidity around here, and the way I sweat, I'm worried now.

[ralph]

You can't post pictures directly to the board unless you're a contributing member (...I think, maybe?). At any rate, I'd be very curious to see photos as well, as I've been considering picking up a CZ P-09. With the humidity around here, and the way I sweat, I'm worried now.

Ok thanks..That might explain things.. I don't know what to tell you, I find it odd that mine rusts in the chamber, Maybe it's just my body chemistry, I don't know.. I'm going to stick with pistols that I know won't rust up on me like this..

[Lon]

If you email them to me I'll host/post them. PM me if you're interested.

[Drang]

ralph, check PMs.

[BWT]

I hate to say it; I've seen/heard wonderful things out of the P07 by lots of folks. I know Mike Pannone has used one extensively.

They seem very easy to service by the end user, have a solid DA/SA platform, and are in general a solid performer.

That being said, CZ being the parent company of Dan Wesson; after my experience with my CBOB. I would be reluctant to buy another product from CZ.

I was curious how this would work out because that was in 2008-2009, but it seems not much has changed.

That being said, my Glock 19 that my wife purchased for my birthday (I married up) had some missing finish now that they've gone back to the phosphate finish. They indicated that this was normal and that it may happen again; that I could send it in if I wanted. Now that I think about it; I think it is covered with carbon now and I haven't checked again since firing it.

Anyway, Sorry to hear that.

I had to clean rust off of my SS CBOB, so I know the feeling. I'm at the point now; I just won't carry anything without a finish regardless of the metal properties.

God bless,

Brandon.

[Wheeler]

Actually, I'd prefer to sell everything in one package..mags, holster, (Bladetech nano) pistol,and all the stuff that came with it. This way I'm not fooling around for weeks at a time trying to get rid of parts and pieces..

If you change your mind I'm interested.

[ralph]

Guys, I'm going to be away from my computer until Monday. So, if it's ok, we'll pick this up then..

[Lon]

Ralph's gun:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/19EDF419-3B55-40D3-A145-D6A56B037E9E_zpsbakcm5o8.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/13F365A2-A78F-4DAD-91D9-87BBE5DCCC8E_zpsaht4ndqx.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/672BB0F2-CA95-4FE4-9C50-41BA6C3CEB7B_zps8kjeiwvh.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/449CD123-266B-416A-BF6B-511839F049A3_zpstujrkrsu.jpg

[Moshe Dayan]

Divergence of uses. The majority of firearm consumers do not dilligently carry or practice with their guns. It should be noted that the low end & medium market products sold in the display cases are frankly not designed for intensive users like ourselves.

Well, I am willing to bet that my CZ75 has seen worse treatment/conditions than the majority of the users of this forums' firearms. It has been submerged during hikes on three occasions, once in brackish water. It took me 5 hours of walking soaked in saltwater in the Florida heat to get out of where I was, and by the time I got home it was rusted on most warn surfaces. The bore did not rust, nor did the chamber.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/LegumeOfTerror/RUST/DSC01572.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/LegumeOfTerror/media/RUST/DSC01572.jpg.html)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/LegumeOfTerror/RUST/DSC01579.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/LegumeOfTerror/media/RUST/DSC01579.jpg.html)

After cleaning the pistol was fine and functioned as well as it ever has, and the Winchester Ranger ammunition in the magazine at the time work as well. This particular handgun has over 10k rounds through it without an issue.

[ralph]

Ralph's gun:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/19EDF419-3B55-40D3-A145-D6A56B037E9E_zpsbakcm5o8.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/13F365A2-A78F-4DAD-91D9-87BBE5DCCC8E_zpsaht4ndqx.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/672BB0F2-CA95-4FE4-9C50-41BA6C3CEB7B_zps8kjeiwvh.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/xpd54/449CD123-266B-416A-BF6B-511839F049A3_zpstujrkrsu.jpg


What you're seeing there is where the rust was.. I used a Wilson Combat chamber brush to remove the rust, only to find pitting underneath .. Actually, I'm surprised the pics came out that well.. But anyway, this is what I've been dealing with, and IMO this is unacceptable in a carry gun. This is after about 3-4 days of carry when hot humid in Ohio.. I'd hate to think what it'd be like if say I was living in Florida, Texas, or somewhere where the summers are known to be hot, humid. Clearly, if this were to continue over a period of time, the chamber would be trashed, As to why it rusts in the chamber, I don't know, I've found what looked like rust around the pin that holds the mag release together in the frame on several times, but it usually wiped off, The pits in the chamber won't.. Many thanks to Lon for posting these for me...

[Wheeler]

Ralph, this might sound like a stupid question, do you carry with a round in the chamber?

[ralph]

Ralph, this might sound like a stupid question, do you carry with a round in the chamber?

Yes I do. Is there any other way??:p Ammo was Federal 124gr HST. nickel plated cases.

[Wheeler]

Yes I do. Is there any other way??:p Ammo was Federal 124gr HST. nickel plated cases.

Not that I'm aware of. :)

I was trying to eliminate possibilities.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Just for a data point, I had a chambered round corroded in the G27 that I wore mowing the lawn and whatnot. I had to smack the slide on a hard surface to extract it, and that is when I noticed the corrosion....my fault for treating my Glock like my lawnmower. The barrel and chamber cleaned up fine.

[Cincinnatus]

Just for a data point, I had a chambered round corroded in the G27 that I wore mowing the lawn and whatnot. I had to smack the slide on a hard surface to extract it, and that is when I noticed the corrosion....my fault for treating my Glock like my lawnmower. The barrel and chamber cleaned up fine.

You could always upgrade to this for lawn care.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f4/d2/56/f4d2566f480a86ee6bd82dfae9751bef.jpg

[Irelander]

Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I've got a line on a good deal for a P07 Gen2...under $450 like new. Wonder if this rusting issue is actually something to worry about or not. I'm used to low maintenance Glocks.

[Trajan]

Sorry to dig up this old thread, but I've got a line on a good deal for a P07 Gen2...under $450 like new. Wonder if this rusting issue is actually something to worry about or not. I'm used to low maintenance Glocks.

If anything can go wrong with a pistol, it will go wrong with Ralph's.

He did later pick up a CZ PCR and had the barrel melonited to prevent this issue.

On the P07, aside from this, the only other issue I have seen is too much trigger finger getting behind the trigger and causing the hammer to only drop to half-cock. Hard with the stock springs, easy with the full CGW kit.

[ralph]

Honestly, I don't think it is..I'll admit that what happened to me may have been some sort of a fluke, could be that my sweat is more acidic than other people, I don't know. You could get the barrel nitrided, and that would solve the problem, I later did that with a CZ PCR I had, no problems with rust after that, (none before, either)

[ralph]

If anything can go wrong with a pistol, it will go wrong with Ralph's.

He did later pick up a CZ PCR and had the barrel melonited to prevent this issue.

On the P07, aside from this, the only other issue I have seen is too much trigger finger getting behind the trigger and causing the hammer to only drop to half-cock. Hard with the stock springs, easy with the full CGW kit.

Hey now, take it easy on me:p

[Paltares8]

I've carried my gen 1 daily for a while now with no rust or significant wear on the finish. And, unfortunately, I tend to sweat quite a bit from my holster and mag carrier. I used to clean I fairly diligently but lately its been every few range trips.