The PX4 Compact might be my DA/SA Glock 19

[CraigS]

When I first installed an LTT trigger bar in my IDPA gun, I could definitely see the reduced reset distance at the bench but didn't really notice it when shooting. I came to the conclusion that I must move my finger forward enough it doesn't matter. But I kept using the new bar and a few months later grabbed one of our other 92s to shoot. Well dang, I think I unconsciously adapted to the reset because the other 92 definitely felt different. Not that I missed any shots or anything drastic but that short reset is really nice. I then ordered a couple more LTT bars,

[Tim92G]

I recieved my optimized trigger bar for my PX4CC mod2 and installed it last night, I installed the bobbed hammer back in the winter.
Now it feels like my LTT Elite full size and my Elite 92 compact

[Stephanie B]

I saw a deal on a PX4 compact in .40.

What keeps me away from them (and the 3rd Gen Smiths in the same caliber) is the need to then buy a bunch of magazines and a couple of holsters.

[Guerrero]

I saw a deal on a PX4 compact in .40.

What keeps me away from them (and the 3rd Gen Smiths in the same caliber) is the need to then buy a bunch of magazines and a couple of holsters.

If you keep an eye out, Beretta runs some pretty good sales on magazines a couple times a year.

But, you should just bite the bullet (metaphorically) and get a PX4CC.

You'll thank me.

[medmo]

Got mine running on the new 10# spring and opto perf trigger bar as of yesterday. Yee-freakin-haw! I had a hard time believing that the action could get much better but man was I wrong. Slick DA right above 6lbs, a SA less than 3lbs that is crisp, consistent, min over travel and a sweet reset. Amazing.

This pistol is totally different than any other “traditional” DA pistol I’ve experienced, (in an unbelievably sweet kind of way). I don’t think it’s a TDA any longer and it’s more of an MDA, FDA, SADA, HC!DA, TSDA, (modern double action, future double action, space age double action, holy crap! double action, totally sick double action). It most certainly ain’t your daddy’s TDA!

[SWAT Lt.]

I had no desire to own one until I shot a friend's and really liked it. I happened across a gently used PX4 CC recently and bought it. I have about 500 rounds through it thus far and it shoots very well. I cannot make it malfunction. I have ordered a JMCK AIWB holster for it. Time will tell but there is a chance it could replace my G19.5 or G43X as my daily carry gun.

[medmo]

I had no desire to own one until I shot a friend's and really liked it. I happened across a gently used PX4 CC recently and bought it. I have about 500 rounds through it thus far and it shoots very well. I cannot make it malfunction. I have ordered a JMCK AIWB holster for it. Time will tell but there is a chance it could replace my G19.5 or G43X as my daily carry gun.

Heck yes! on the JMCK AIWB. I spend a lot of time wearing my Wingclaw 2.5 and it’s down right comfy and conceals really well under an untucked t shirt. The only thing I needed was the large foam wedge to leverage the grip firmly to my abdomen. I’d also recommend taking a look at the LTT enhancements. When I first got my PX4CC I thought it couldn’t be better. A spurless NP3 hammer, 10#!hammer spring and an opto perform trigger bar later and now its pretty much amazing.

[beenalongtime]

Received the new trigger bars today, and installed one with the 10# spring that arrived earlier in the week.
Must say the only thing missing is a metal trigger to make It feel much more like my LTT with the trigger jobs. I just wish I could get time off and range time. Not going to put it in the carry ones, until I get range time with it.

I might put a metal trigger in my third/range toy/backup parts, PX4, just for fun/feel comparison. The only thing missing is vials on the rear sights.
Thank you guys at Langdon Tactical!

[CraigS]

Search here for Ernest's thread about problems w/ the PX4 metal triggers.

[beenalongtime]

Search here for Ernest's thread about problems w/ the PX4 metal triggers.

Have you searched?
Langdon mentioned that that, is on his eventual list.
Until then, on a range only (read my post again), gun is fine.

[sheepdog]

I just remember Ernest Langdon saying that he looked into it and didn't think it was necessary. Beretta apparently researched polymers carefully before choosing. The polymer is very stiff (I don't experience any perceptable flexing in mine). A few people had problems if you read the reviews on Beretta's website. Others were very happy: https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-solid-steel-trigger/c5g270/full-comments/

[Jared]

I’m pretty sure Chris, who writes the lucky gunner lounge blog, had a metal trigger in his PX4 break at a Langdon class. At any rate, I remember Ernest saying those triggers were a no go. I know that putting it in a range only gun means it probably won’t be carried, but still, why out a suboptimal part in your gun even if it’s for range use?

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28961-PX4-Solid-Steel-Trigger-PSA

[beenalongtime]

I know that putting it in a range only gun means it probably won’t be carried, but still, why out a suboptimal part in your gun even if it’s for range use?


In my case, I have multiple guns that are the same, but in different calibers.
There are different ways to tell them apart, with some simple things like different color grip tape, or a metal trigger instead of a plastic one. Little things like that, make it a lot easier to grab the correct magazines/ammo when going to the range.

I was in one of those trigger threads, as I had just bought and installed one, in what became my carry gun, when both he and Chris posted about it. I really was aggravated by Beretta's "recommendation" for competition only, when they sell a firearm with a "competition" trigger group, for defense. But a lot of that comes from me watching/reading a legal case for years, that will never be over. (effectively over, isn't over)
The trigger came out and was put aside as I have two type C PX4's, it was kept in case I decided to convert one to a type D.

[BJV]

Unfortunately, the original TLR-7 does not work for me on my PX4CC because I can't reach the switches. The TLR-7A with the "high" switch corrects this issue and, in conjunction with mfrey's custom key for the TLR-7/A, makes for an excellent pistol-mounted light on the PX4 Compact. I'm now able to have a PX4CC set up as a nightstand gun with a good light, which checks yet another box on the list of capabilities that this gun can fulfill. Highly recommended.

[sheepdog]

Unfortunately, the original TLR-7 does not work for me on my PX4CC because I can't reach the switches. The TLR-7A with the "high" switch corrects this issue and, in conjunction with mfrey's custom key for the TLR-7/A, makes for an excellent pistol-mounted light on the PX4 Compact. I'm now able to have a PX4CC set up as a nightstand gun with a good light, which checks yet another box on the list of capabilities that this gun can fulfill. Highly recommended.

Awesome. Thank you. Do you mind sharing a pick with it mounted. I'd like to see what it looks like.

[troydobe]

I posted this to the main forum, but I wanted to make sure that the guys that are following this thread saw this for sure.

We just released the OP trigger bar for the PX4. It is up on the LTT site now and we have a couple hundred in stock now.

https://www.langdontactical.com/optimized-performance-trigger-bar/

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Same kind of improvements as the 92 OP trigger bar, reduction in over travel with a huge reduction in reset.

The 10 lb hammer spring is up there as well. I have almost 1000 rounds of IMI 124 grain NATO ball with no issues. If it will run that, it will run any US-made ammo.
LangdonTactical
I have two px4cc both with sear removed running DAO. Using 12lb springs. What could be expected with the OP trigger bar? Would the benefit of over travel and reset reductions be seen in DAO? I’ll be putting in the 10lb springs replacing the current 12s also.


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[BJV]

Awesome. Thank you. Do you mind sharing a pick with it mounted. I'd like to see what it looks like.

TLR-7A and TLR-7, both on PX4CCs:

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[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

TLR-7A and TLR-7, both on PX4CCs:


Gotta say, now that I know that there's someone out there making custom keys for the TLR-7 series, I'm a bit interested.

Have there been any reviewers who've tested the TLR-7's maximum beam distance and candela ratings at 25+ yards? Never mind, I'm reading the spec sheet and it seems like it's definitely a step above the PL-Mini 2.

[beenalongtime]

LangdonTactical
I have two px4cc both with sear removed running DAO. Using 12lb springs. What could be expected with the OP trigger bar? Would the benefit of over travel and reset reductions be seen in DAO? I’ll be putting in the 10lb springs replacing the current 12s also.


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Reset reduction is for the single action.

[BN]

LangdonTactical
I have two px4cc both with sear removed running DAO.

How do you make a PC4CC DA only? I have a DA/SA and would like to make it DA only.

[boing]

How do you make a PC4CC DA only? I have a DA/SA and would like to make it DA only.

Remove the sear. The sear spring isn’t needed anymore, either, except that it serves to retain the cross pin in the frame. The DAO models use a different “sear spring” for that purpose, which is available at retail. Both my PX4 compacts that I converted to DAO needed the new spring to keep the pin from walking out.

[troydobe]

Both my PX4 compacts that I converted to DAO needed the new spring to keep the pin from walking out.

Interesting about needing a D spring. I removed seat and spring and did not add a spring. Don’t have any walkout that I’m aware of. I’ll need to take a look. Wonder if the walkout is impeded by the talon grips? I’ll need to see if they cover it


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[troydobe]

Reset reduction is for the single action.

Thanks
What about over travel reduction. Would that apply to DAO?


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[boing]

Interesting about needing a D spring. I removed seat and spring and did not add a spring. Don’t have any walkout that I’m aware of. I’ll need to take a look. Wonder if the walkout is impeded by the talon grips? I’ll need to see if they cover it

I don’t think a lot of people have a problem with the pin moving, actually. I rarely see it mentioned in other posts about the conversion.

[LangdonTactical]

TLR-7A and TLR-7, both on PX4CCs:

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Who is making those keys? Do you have a link for a website?

[Johnny Bravo]

If anyone is interested I just purchased a Competition Trigger Group from Buds for $63 for my compact .40 That is the cheapest I have seen it anywhere.

[LangdonTactical]

LangdonTactical
I have two px4cc both with sear removed running DAO. Using 12lb springs. What could be expected with the OP trigger bar? Would the benefit of over travel and reset reductions be seen in DAO? I’ll be putting in the 10lb springs replacing the current 12s also.


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So, in DAO, the only real benefit would be the reduction in overtravel. That would give you a better feel in the DA break and a very slight reduction in reset (the same amount as the reduction in overtravel). It would not have nearly the effect as it does in a DA/SA gun.

[beenalongtime]

Who is making those keys? Do you have a link for a website?

Matt aka mfrey
https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?16483-mfrey

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Wanted to throw out a Hail Mary post out here looking for a miracle...I'm basically looking for what was sold here (https://www.gunsamerica.com/945464141/Beretta-PX4-Storm-Compact-Extended-Barrel-9mm.htm): a 100mm/3.8- or 3.9-ish-inch extended barrel for the Px4 Compact. I know, I know, it's likely unobtanium by now, and whoever's got it is probably keeping it/wearing it out - the most I've ever seen for availability on it has been a listing on Brownell's on permanent backorder. Funnily, I tried to also inquire about a backorder from OpticsPlanet for the same barrel - this led to them deleting the entire listing for from their store!

So without soliciting for a transaction, where would I find something like this for my Px4CC? Or, to be more realistic about it, what's the best way for me to get something similar custom made? I know for a fact that fullsize Px4 barrels won't work because material would have to be added onto the barrel, not just removed

[beenalongtime]

Wanted to throw out a Hail Mary post out here looking for a miracle...I'm basically looking for what was sold here (https://www.gunsamerica.com/945464141/Beretta-PX4-Storm-Compact-Extended-Barrel-9mm.htm): a 100mm/3.8- or 3.9-ish-inch extended barrel for the Px4 Compact. I know, I know, it's likely unobtanium by now, and whoever's got it is probably keeping it/wearing it out - the most I've ever seen for availability on it has been a listing on Brownell's on permanent backorder. Funnily, I tried to also inquire about a backorder from OpticsPlanet for the same barrel - this led to them deleting the entire listing for from their store!

So without soliciting for a transaction, where would I find something like this for my Px4CC? Or, to be more realistic about it, what's the best way for me to get something similar custom made? I know for a fact that fullsize Px4 barrels won't work because material would have to be added onto the barrel, not just removed

On rare occasion, the last ones I saw were sold on Ebay, and I would check Gunbroker. I signed up for a back in stock notification, a week before Beretta removed it from their website.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

I've struck gold! The backorder I made for the barrel is supposed to ship out sometime in mid-August, according to Brownell's. Hopefully the world stays in one piece until then!

Where I ordered: https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/barrel-parts/barrels/beretta-px4-compact-extended-barrel-prod131832.aspx

Might be worth it for someone else to inquire about whether or not some of the other rare stuff is coming too, like the 9mm extended barrel for the fullsize, for example.

[sheepdog]

On rare occasion, the last ones I saw were sold on Ebay, and I would check Gunbroker. I signed up for a back in stock notification, a week before Beretta removed it from their website.

Speaking of barrel length, given the 92 series, I wonder why Beretta didn't allow the PX4 Compact's barrel to protrude much beyond the muzzle of the slide. It would have only required an additional 0.16" to extend the 3.27" barrel to that of a G26 (3.43").

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If fact, aethetically, they could have even added .23" for an even 3.5" or even longer in my opinion. How much further past the slide of a 92 does the barrel protrude?

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I can't say 0.16" or 0.23" makes a difference, but at some point a difference can be discerned, so where do we ever draw that line exactly? For psychological purposes alone I would think obtaining at least the barrel length of a G26 would have instilled more confidence. Many people, myself included, can be just as accurate and effective with a G26 as a G19, so that would have been the threshold for me if I was involved in the PX4 Compact's design.

They knew the rotary barrel cost them some barrel length that might be a hard sell for some folks, but they also knew the 92 had been considered excessively long for 9mm by some people like Jeff Cooper for a long time as well. Was Beretta that confident that 3.27" was just as good for a pistol still closer to a G19 in size than a G26? Even the G43 has a longer barrel (3.41"). I doubt it. Since then pistols like the APX Compact and APX Centurion are 3.7" long. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want more barrel than I needed, and I certainly think Langdon was wise to shave 0.2" off a full size 92, but when deciding on the PX4 Storm Compact, I'm surprised they didn't go with something a little longer. In fact, I would have been fine with increasing the slide length 0.16" to 0.23" to give a little more barrel length that wouldn't protrude.

Again, I can't say there is an appreciable difference in the real world, but I also can't see how an extra 0.16" or 0.23" would have made the gun any less appealing, especially for those carrying appendix because going too short can actually be a detriment in my experience (which is why I use a wedge carrying my PX4 Storm Compact).

[PNWTO]

Speaking of barrel length, given the 92 series, I wonder why Beretta didn't allow the PX4 Compact's barrel to protrude much beyond the muzzle of the slide. It would have only required an additional 0.16" to extend the 3.27" barrel to that of a G26 (3.43").

I would imagine that the little barrel stub would have been criticized in a market of mostly “flush fit” pistols; even the BARFCOM folks still nitpick the Glock “pig nose”. There could also be a argument that the stub makes bolstering a little more difficult when the slide isn’t beveled like the 92. No experience there as I’ve never had my single G17 with a threaded barrel present an issue.

Such a minute increase is irrelevant for ballistics and accuracy.

[Evil_Ed]

I've struck gold! The backorder I made for the barrel is supposed to ship out sometime in mid-August, according to Brownell's. Hopefully the world stays in one piece until then!

Where I ordered: https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/barrel-parts/barrels/beretta-px4-compact-extended-barrel-prod131832.aspx

Might be worth it for someone else to inquire about whether or not some of the other rare stuff is coming too, like the 9mm extended barrel for the fullsize, for example.

Oof...at 2/3rds the cost of what I have into the gun itself, as much as I'd like that barrel, I'm not sure that juice is worth the squeeze..

[beenalongtime]

My views on the barrel length, without being in on the design.

Makes less sense on the compact or subcompact for concealment.
The only silencer design that worked with them, never came to market (remembering something about the patent/rights, being bought up by some company, via discussion on Beretta forum).

Makes more sense on the full size, especially if you look through PX4 storm trackers, .45 post (ammo dirtying up the front sight).

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

...Makes more sense on the full size, especially if you look through PX4 storm trackers, .45 post (ammo dirtying up the front sight).

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29478-Beretta-PX4-Storm-45-High-round-count-long-duration-usage/page10 post 98

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

I, too, do quite like the idea of distributing the muzzle blast further away from the slide itself - there's much more to extended barrels than just the option for threading a dubiously-attached compensator!

[sheepdog]

Oof...at 2/3rds the cost of what I have into the gun itself, as much as I'd like that barrel, I'm not sure that juice is worth the squeeze..

Wow, please send pics one day after yours arrive. I just wish they were $100-$150 cheaper though, especially if I was to have it shortened and crowned. If I measured correctly, it will extend out beyond the existing barrel something like this, right? Does the rotating barrel design work well with a can? I thought I had heard the .45 version was supposed to be threaded for the military. It actually doesn't look all that different from the Px4 Storm SD Type F though we are looking at a compact vs a full-size. Instead of a difference of roughly .668", the SD .45's barrel is .4" longer than the standard (4.1" vs. 4.5").

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[sheepdog]

My views on the barrel length, without being in on the design.

Makes less sense on the compact or subcompact for concealment.
The only silencer design that worked with them, never came to market (remembering something about the patent/rights, being bought up by some company, via discussion on Beretta forum).

Makes more sense on the full size, especially if you look through PX4 storm trackers, .45 post (ammo dirtying up the front sight).

I agree to a point (e.g. extending the barrel .668"), but many holsters can certainly accommodate an extra .2"-.4" or more just the way they are. In which case a 3.6" or 3.7" would oftentimes make no appreciable difference concealing in my opinion. My Dara holster, however, leaves absolutely no room, but many other holsters I have would be unaffected by a modest bump in barrel length.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Wow, please send pics one day after yours arrive. I just wish they were $100-$150 cheaper though, especially if I was to have it shortened and crowned. If I measured correctly, it will extend out beyond the existing barrel something like this, right? Does the rotating barrel design work well with a can? I thought I had heard the .45 version was supposed to be threaded for the military. It actually doesn't look all that different from the Px4 Storm SD Type F though we are looking at a compact vs a full-size. Instead of a difference of roughly .668", the SD .45's barrel is .4" longer than the standard (4.1" vs. 4.5").

Traditional threading still has its problems with that rotating barrel. However, I don't think anyone's ever tried a ratcheting or axial lug-based mounting solution with it yet...

[beenalongtime]

Disclaimer, not my image. This image is from a 2010 Beretta catalog, and shows the silencer that they were planning.

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[Evil_Ed]

Traditional threading still has its problems with that rotating barrel. However, I don't think anyone's ever tried a ratcheting or axial lug-based mounting solution with it yet...

FWIW, there's a video of Mike Pappas (at the time, at Silencerco) shooting a PX4 with an Osprey on it. I'm not sure if they went metric left handed or US right handed with the threads (iirc they went US right handed over the fear that it would lock up the threads/not be able to remove the can if they went metric left handed but I could be misremembering), but when they shot it, they said the can kept moving/rotating and not staying put, and that was the end of that. Maybe metric threading would have solved that issue? ...and maybe made the can unremoveable without fixtures and wrenches..

I've also read some threads on the internet (so we know they're %100 factual) of people running normal cans but with plumber's silicone tape on the threads to prevent the can from moving during recoil/rotation.

There's info out there that Gemtech was contracted by Beretta to come up with a mounting solution, and they did come up with a working rotating LID that functioned as you would expect it to on a PX4 rotating barrel...and then Beretta shelved it, taking their IP home. So while Gemtech did it, Beretta owns the data, and Gemtech couldn't make it without their say-so. That's a very broad-strokes remembrance of the threads from silencertalk.com though.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Disclaimer, not my image. This image is from a 2010 Beretta catalog, and shows the silencer that they were planning.

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nice! Would be kind of interesting now to see what that muzzle device lug would look like with a hybrid 9mm compensator on it


FWIW, there's a video of Mike Pappas (at the time, at Silencerco) shooting a PX4 with an Osprey on it. I'm not sure if they went metric left handed or US right handed with the threads (iirc they went US right handed over the fear that it would lock up the threads/not be able to remove the can if they went metric left handed but I could be misremembering), but when they shot it, they said the can kept moving/rotating and not staying put, and that was the end of that. Maybe metric threading would have solved that issue? ...and maybe made the can unremoveable without fixtures and wrenches..

I've also read some threads on the internet (so we know they're %100 factual) of people running normal cans but with plumber's silicone tape on the threads to prevent the can from moving during recoil/rotation.

There's info out there that Gemtech was contracted by Beretta to come up with a mounting solution, and they did come up with a working rotating LID that functioned as you would expect it to on a PX4 rotating barrel...and then Beretta shelved it, taking their IP home. So while Gemtech did it, Beretta owns the data, and Gemtech couldn't make it without their say-so. That's a very broad-strokes remembrance of the threads from silencertalk.com though.

I think I might have caught a few of those tidbits you found earlier, too. With almost no knowledge of mechanical engineering, I'm wondering if shallow grooves cut into the front of the barrel (down its length) could secure a muzzle device for rotating barrels, kind of like an extractor but facing the opposition direction?

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

How do you make a PC4CC DA only? I have a DA/SA and would like to make it DA only.


Remove the sear. The sear spring isn’t needed anymore, either, except that it serves to retain the cross pin in the frame. The DAO models use a different “sear spring” for that purpose, which is available at retail. Both my PX4 compacts that I converted to DAO needed the new spring to keep the pin from walking out.Is it really this simple to have a DAO PX4?

Anyone know of any demonstrable or theoretical issues in safety, reliability and function running one this way?

[boing]

This is how the factory DAO models are built (not counting the differences on the top end, safety levers, etc, and the hammer).

I’ll add that my 2 converted guns do not have a high round count (~1000 and ~700 rds), so I don’t want to make a sweeping statement about reliability, but none of my PX4s has malfunctioned.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

...Anyone know of any demonstrable or theoretical issues in safety, reliability and function running one this way?

It could be advisable to remove the hammer drop lever and put in the larger spacer from a type D. It is possible that the hammer drop lever flopping around could get bound with the slide.

I would also then consider the firing pin block plunger and firing pin to be wear items.

When firing double action only with no sear the hammer will follow the slide down and will strike the back of the firing pin plunger. If your firing pin block plunger is compromised you could ignite the next round.

I would also make sure that if you put in the new OP trigger bar that you verify with LTT that the firing pin block plunger will be fully re-engaged while the trigger is held back during cycling.

[sheepdog]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned about the Ameriglo sights, but Ernest, Ameriglo, and/or Beretta were wise enough to make such a narrow rear sight. I am not talking about the notch but the overall profile. People tend to always have an opinion about having too much or too little "air" between the rear posts and the front sight, but they completely forget about the rest of the rear sight that is often designed too wide in my opinion. Rear sights lacking tritium, for example, are the best candidates for a narrow profile since there are no tritium viles to protect, and this increased viewing area makes it easier to tracking moving targets in particular. Combined with enough air between the posts, these Ameriglos really do give a better sight picture than most. They only improvement I'd like to see other than a i-Dot profile is deep & course serrations to provide even more contrast in a variety of lighting as the gun metal and darker shaded lines in properly serrated rear sights provide a greater range of contrast for differnt lighting conditions & backdrops.

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[Kanye Wyoming]

TFB review posted this morning.


https://youtu.be/V2LUo9q2DzA

[Dave J]

They only improvement I'd like to see other than a i-Dot profile is deep & course serrations to provide even more contrast in a variety of lighting as the gun metal and darker shaded lines in properly serrated rear sights provide a greater range of contrast for differnt lighting conditions & backdrops.


Not a fan of I-dots, but I'd love a serrated rear option. I was shooting my PX4CC in an outdoor match the other day, and had issues fighting the glare off the rear sight when the sun was behind me.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Oh nice, the TFB review mentions the new 10# hammer spring and OP trigger bar!

[sheepdog]

TFB review posted this morning.


Yeah, I just saw this about an hour ago. It's nice to see it getting attention.

[DLWinner]

Beretta’s repair center in MD in FINALLY Open. I am shipping my PX4 Slide in to hopefully get the front sight replaced. 12 week wait though.

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

Beretta’s repair center in MD in FINALLY Open. I am shipping my PX4 Slide in to hopefully get the front sight replaced. 12 week wait though.Three months for a new front sight? Is there some reason Beretta has to do it? Also, didn't realize they kept any of their Maryland presence after the Tennessee move...

[DLWinner]

Three months for a new front sight? Is there some reason Beretta has to do it? Also, didn't realize they kept any of their Maryland presence after the Tennessee move...

I guess repairs are still being done in MD. They wouldn’t send me the sight or sell me the front sight. They said the slide has to be sent in. Oh well.

[BN]

Remove the sear. The sear spring isn’t needed anymore, either, except that it serves to retain the cross pin in the frame. The DAO models use a different “sear spring” for that purpose, which is available at retail. Both my PX4 compacts that I converted to DAO needed the new spring to keep the pin from walking out.

I removed the sear and spring today and ran 75 rounds of my practice hand loads through it. I think I'm going to like it. It already had a TJIB with the 11# spring. I'm an old revolver guy, so it felt good to me.

[troydobe]

I would also then consider the firing pin block plunger and firing pin to be wear items.
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For a DOA modified, What would your recommended replacement cycle be for the firing pin block plunger and firing pin?


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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

For a DOA modified, What would your recommended replacement cycle be for the firing pin block plunger and firing pin?


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I have 115,100 rounds on my firing pin and firing pin block plunger on my PX4 45 G. I just had it apart a couple of days ago for a routine cleaning and those parts still look good.
However, on a type D it absorbs the impact, as we previously discussed.

When Beretta was selling the type D for Police use they recommended to those departments that all the parts be replaced every 5,000 rounds. There was probably some legality to not wanting a pistol in harm's way to fail.
Beretta also recommends changing small parts for regular folks in regular use every 20,000 rounds.

Since I have never been able to run into someone that has put 20k, 30k or 50k rounds on a type D we would be speculating.

What I would do, is to take the slide apart every 5,000 rounds for routine cleaning, which is what I do on my PX4s anyway. I would watch for rounding of the edges of the contact surfaces and for unusual wear. Upon reassembling I would then test by pushing on the firing pin from behind with a pen or a punch while the firing pin block plunger is engaged. If all goes well, I would then change the firing pin block plunger and firing pin (which are inexpensive items) every 20,000 rounds to match the Beretta recommendation for PX4s. I would also change the firing pin plunger at 20K. It is not designed to take a non-spring absorbed impact that many times.

This seems like a wordy way to just give a recommendation, but if I give you the reasoning for my recommendation you might be able to come up with a better plan.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?29665-Beretta-PX4-Storm-Parts-What-does-each-part-do-and-how/page4 post 40 & 41 on the next page.

[Beretta92x]

Just ordered a px4 compact carry from ltt. Already have a 92 centurion with the np3 coating that i love. I was wondering if anyone tried to get their cheap 92 mags to work inside the px4? I saw an old post on another forum that said all he had to do was file down the top of the cut out slots on the slide a hair to get them to work with the px4, but the poster never stated if this effected the mags still working in the 92. If no one responds when i get the gun ill try it on an old magazine for the hell of it to see if it will make life easier not having to worry about buying new mags or mixing them up.

[revchuck38]

PX4 mags are designed as .40 cal mags and ribbed to give the correct stack for 9x19. The 92 mags are narrower. You might be able to McGuyver the 92 mags to work but I doubt it’d be worth the trouble.

[sheepdog]

Three months for a new front sight? Is there some reason Beretta has to do it? Also, didn't realize they kept any of their Maryland presence after the Tennessee move...

I agree. The sight can be tricky, but it's nothing a gunsmith shouldn't be able to handle (unless of course Beretta is doing it for free for some reason like they did for me). Even then, 3 months is a long time.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

I've struck gold! The backorder I made for the barrel is supposed to ship out sometime in mid-August, according to Brownell's. Hopefully the world stays in one piece until then!

Where I ordered: https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/barrel-parts/barrels/beretta-px4-compact-extended-barrel-prod131832.aspx

Might be worth it for someone else to inquire about whether or not some of the other rare stuff is coming too, like the 9mm extended barrel for the fullsize, for example.

Argh. I knew this was too good to be true. Today Brownell's shifted its listing for the barrel from "backorder" to "discontinued" and cancelled my order. Considering that Brownell's is Beretta's official parts distributor now, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it's official.

[BN]

I removed the sear and spring today and ran 75 rounds of my practice hand loads through it. I think I'm going to like it. It already had a TJIB with the 11# spring. I'm an old revolver guy, so it felt good to me.

I shot another 60 rounds today. Works fine. The pin is walking out.

I shot the John Wick drill. I wasn't very John Wick like with the PX4CC. However I made it with my Glock 17 and my 9mm 1911 Commander. ;)

[boing]

The pin is walking out.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m almost glad. I thought it was just me. :)

After the DAO conversion, my SHO shooting was immediately better than with my striker and SA guns, revealing that my trigger jerk is even crappier than I thought. :/

[learnerpermitted]

One of my two complaints about the PX4 compact is now removed. Thanks to mfrey for the special key!

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Now waiting for LangdonTactical to offer RMR installations! :D

Sorry for quoting an old post but I was curious if anyone has any holster options for this set up. I don't plan on carrying this set up but I would like to have this set up when im at home and it would be a nice peace of mind to have a holster for it so the trigger guard is covered.

[jwperry]

Sorry for quoting an old post but I was curious if anyone has any holster options for this set up. I don't plan on carrying this set up but I would like to have this set up when im at home and it would be a nice peace of mind to have a holster for it so the trigger guard is covered.

I'm not sure if he's still doing it, but JMCK made a PX4 w/TLR7 AIWB holster that I used when I had the CC setup.

[snow white]

Thanks to some custom tlr7 keys from a friendly neighborhood p-f'er my new carry rig is all done. 55980
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#miamiviceforlife (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=miamiviceforlife)

[alohadoug]

Thanks to some custom tlr7 keys from a friendly neighborhood p-f'er my new carry rig is all done.
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#miamiviceforlife (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=miamiviceforlife)

Who did the holster??!! It would go great with the numerous Hawaiian shirts in my closet that get worn every Aloha Friday....(fuck you Boogaloos, I'm not giving them up!)

I do wish the PX4 was Mass compliant but then I'd be limited to ten round mags. I can still get standard capacity mags for my 92...

[snow white]

Who did the holster??!! It would go great with the numerous Hawaiian shirts in my closet that get worn every Aloha Friday....(fuck you Boogaloos, I'm not giving them up!)

I do wish the PX4 was Mass compliant but then I'd be limited to ten round mags. I can still get standard capacity mags for my 92...

It was a holster maker who unfortunately wants to remain anonymous because he "never wants to do that shit again" and dosen't want people thinking its something they can order from him. I have the fortune of being very good friends with him so I just went to the shop and cooked it up last night.

[beenalongtime]

Can someone with a mod 4 or 5 tell me, if their sear is NP3 coated, and do you have the bobbed hammer?
I thought I remembered EL mentioning not to do both the hammer and sear, but searching, what I found was the sear was listed in the treated parts, with nothing said about the hammer.
Thanks

[BJV]

Can someone with a mod 4 or 5 tell me, if their sear is NP3 coated, and do you have the bobbed hammer?
I thought I remembered EL mentioning not to do both the hammer and sear, but searching, what I found was the sear was listed in the treated parts, with nothing said about the hammer.
Thanks

I have Mod 4s with NP3 sears and NP3 bobbed hammers. Top notch (ha ha).

[LangdonTactical]

Can someone with a mod 4 or 5 tells me, if their sear is NP3 coated, and do you have the bobbed hammer?
I thought I remembered EL mentioning not to do both the hammer and sear, but searching, what I found was the sear was listed in the treated parts, with nothing said about the hammer.
Thanks

So, there is really no such thing as a MOD 4 or MOD 5 anymore. Those were modification levels that we did when we were partnered with Robar. We now do what is basically a MOD 5, with a spurless hammer and NP3ed parts. In this case, the Spurless hammer is NP3ed as well as the sear, sear pin, hammer struts, trigger pin, trigger bar, barrel, and barrel cam. Plus the barrel is flush cut and reverse crowned.

The old "MOD 4" did not have the crowned barrel or spurless hammer, or NP3 on the hammer.

Hope this helps.

[beenalongtime]

So, there is really no such thing as a MOD 4 or MOD 5 anymore. Those were modification levels that we did when we were partnered with Robar. We now do what is basically a MOD 5, with a spurless hammer and NP3ed parts. In this case, the Spurless hammer is NP3ed as well as the sear, sear pin, hammer struts, trigger pin, trigger bar, barrel, and barrel cam. Plus the barrel is flush cut and reverse crowned.

The old "MOD 4" did not have the crowned barrel or spurless hammer, or NP3 on the hammer.

Hope this helps.

VERY much it helps.
I was not sure of the current terminology (mod 4/5/full boat, etc), and since Robar is gone, I couldn't look it up (thought the difference was the barrel and maybe the option of the hammer).
I thought I remembered you talking about don't do the sear AND hammer, but couldn't find that in any posts I could think of.
I did find an old post with the other parts, and since I am trying to clear up my own confusion on things as I am trying to help someone I know make their own choices. (has kids, debating about safety verses decocker, sights, Compact carry or regular model (handed) etc, taking several of mine to the range to determine preferences)
I also realized I had started to pick up some bad habits from here, due to misunderstandings/vocabulary. The primary one, was about reset. I didn't ride it before and only started in dry fire after hearing about all the short reset things/trigger bars, then went back through your video's where you said don't ride the reset. Back to the new PX4 trigger bar announcement, where the reset was made a big deal of, and confusion for a few days, until I got back home and realized the reset is all about breaking in the same place DA/SA.
Sometimes it takes me a bit, but I need to understand it, to be able to explain things clearly to her.

THANK YOU!

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

... the reset is all about breaking in the same place DA/SA.

I would not want to reopen a box of confusion, but for clarity... the reset variation between a new OP trigger bar and the stock one does not cause the DA/SA to break in the same place. They break in the same place DA/SA for either trigger bar. It is necessary for the firing pin block plunger to be fully disengaged and the sear held forward to the same spot. So, DA/SA always breaks in the same spot of the trigger movement of a PX4 Storm.

The difference in reset applies to how far forward you must return the trigger to be able to take the next shot. This affects SA only. It means that the "take up" is done away with and rearward movement of the trigger before getting to the "wall" (sear contact) is less.

Also, a new shooter might find it safer until trigger finger control is good to use a standard trigger bar. That take up could add a layer of safety as she gains a feel for the trigger. I also recommend a safety for a new shooter with kids, if possible. She does not have to pass up on the excellent Compact Carry. She could have safety levers installed and one day switch back to a decock only.

[LangdonTactical]

I would not want to reopen a box of confusion, but for clarity... the reset variation between a new OP trigger bar and the stock one does not cause the DA/SA to break in the same place. They break in the same place DA/SA for either trigger bar. It is necessary for the firing pin block plunger to be fully disengaged and the sear held forward to the same spot. So, DA/SA always breaks in the same spot of the trigger movement of a PX4 Storm.

The difference in reset applies to how far forward you must return the trigger to be able to take the next shot. This affects SA only. It means that the "take up" is done away with and rearward movement of the trigger before getting to the "wall" (sear contact) is less.

Also, a new shooter might find it safer until trigger finger control is good to use a standard trigger bar. That take up could add a layer of safety as she gains a feel for the trigger. I also recommend a safety for a new shooter with kids, if possible. She does not have to pass up on the excellent Compact Carry. She could have safety levers installed and one day switch back to a decock only.

So this is not correct either. It is correct when it comes to where the DA and the SA break and that the breakpoints do not change with the OP trigger bar, at least not significantly. That said, there is no reduction in "take up" with the OP trigger bar. There is also no reduction in "Sear Contact" with the OP trigger bar. The pre-travel of the trigger does not change. The only thing that is happening is the firing pin block stays out of the way when the trigger is held to the rear after the shot fires. So the trigger bar resets only on the sear, not on the firing pin block lever. This is the same way almost all other Simi auto pistols function. It is also the way that other short reset systems work, i.e. the Sig SRT trigger system.

It is perfectly safe, and the only way it would or could possibly be unsafe is one situation. You fire the gun, hold the trigger to the rear, and then start running around with the trigger held to the rear. Then you fall, while still holding the trigger to the rear, and land on the muzzle in such a way and with enough force that the firing pin block would be necessary to keep the gun from firing. Once the finger comes off the trigger fully, the firing pin block is engaged and the gun is safe as long as you don't pull the trigger. So if you follow basic safety rules, you will be fine. If you do not follow basic safety rules, no firing pin block is going to help you. Because, if you pull the trigger, the gun will go bang.

We have done a full battery of drop test with the OP trigger bar, with a full house trigger job with a 3.25 lb single-action, from 6 feet, onto concrete, both with the hammer down and the hammer cocked. This test includes impact attitudes to test all situations properly. We did this as recently as last week for the testing of some new parts. It is not a fun thing to do, destroying a very nice gun in the process, but absolutely necessary.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

So this is not correct either. It is correct when it comes to where the DA and the SA break and that the breakpoints do not change with the OP trigger bar, at least not significantly. That said, there is no reduction in "take up" with the OP trigger bar. There is also no reduction in "Sear Contact" with the OP trigger bar. The pre-travel of the trigger does not change. The only thing that is happening is the firing pin block stays out of the way when the trigger is held to the rear after the shot fires. So the trigger bar resets only on the sear, not on the firing pin block lever. This is the same way almost all other Simi auto pistols function. It is also the way that other short reset systems work, i.e. the Sig SRT trigger system.

It is perfectly safe, and the only way it would or could possibly be unsafe is one situation. You fire the gun, hold the trigger to the rear, and then start running around with the trigger held to the rear. Then you fall, while still holding the trigger to the rear, and land on the muzzle in such a way and with enough force that the firing pin block would be necessary to keep the gun from firing. Once the finger comes off the trigger fully, the firing pin block is engaged and the gun is safe as long as you don't pull the trigger. So if you follow basic safety rules, you will be fine. If you do not follow basic safety rules, no firing pin block is going to help you. Because, if you pull the trigger, the gun will go bang.

We have done a full battery of drop test with the OP trigger bar, with a full house trigger job with a 3.25 lb single-action, from 6 feet, onto concrete, both with the hammer down and the hammer cocked. This test includes impact attitudes to test all situations properly. We did this as recently as last week for the testing of some new parts. It is not a fun thing to do, destroying a very nice gun in the process, but absolutely necessary.

I don't know what I wrote that caused the appearance of disagreement. Everything you mentioned is true and I never thought otherwise. My statement was about a new shooter having a shaky or inexperienced trigger finger and a <.10" reset might make a "stutter fire" where they twitch off a second shot. I am not referring to any safety deficit or poor engineering. Experienced shooters have reported accidental double taps until they got used to the shorter reset.

There is no reduction in take up with the OP trigger bar when you completely remove your finger from the trigger. This was the reference I intended. The point of the shorter reset is to have less take up, as well as less distance to cover resetting. That is all I meant. I did not mean that it was an unsafe part. I also did not write that sear contact was less, but movement to sear contact from reset is less.

[LangdonTactical]

I don't know what I wrote that caused the appearance of disagreement. Everything you mentioned is true and I never thought otherwise. My statement was about a new shooter having a shaky or inexperienced trigger finger and a <.10" reset might make a "stutter fire" where they twitch off a second shot. I am not referring to any safety deficit or poor engineering. Experienced shooters have reported accidental double taps until they got used to the shorter reset.

There is no reduction in take up with the OP trigger bar when you completely remove your finger from the trigger. This was the reference I intended. The point of the shorter reset is to have less take up, as well as less distance to cover resetting. That is all I meant. I did not mean that it was an unsafe part. I also did not write that sear contact was less, but movement to sear contact from reset is less.

Understood, my apologies. I miss understood what you meant by "take-up" and Sear Engagement.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Understood, my apologies. I miss understood what you meant by "take-up" and Sear Engagement.

It is my fault... sometimes in trying to word things correctly I make them harder to understand.

[medmo]

I think we can all agree to not go running around with fingers on triggers, (fully depressed or not), or with scissors in our hands. Let’s all swear to it.

I, STATE YOUR NAME, do solemnly swear to all of my fellow P-F’ers to never run around with my finger on the trigger or while holding any sharp or pointy things. So help me God.

Also, I don’t necessarily agree with the starting out a new shooter with training wheels. I think it’s best to start learning what ever the pistol is that they would carry/shoot right away. I feel the same way about new riders on motorcycles. Don’t spend 6 months learning how to ride a 250cc Honda Rebel so you can relearn to ride your Ducati. It’s a waste of time getting on your true learning curve and might even make it harder as you have to change habits.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I think we can all agree to not go running around with fingers on triggers, (fully depressed or not), or with scissors in our hands. Let’s all swear to it.

I, STATE YOUR NAME, do solemnly swear to all of my fellow P-F’ers to never run around with my finger on the trigger or while holding any sharp or pointy things. So help me ___.

Also, I don’t necessarily agree with the starting out a new shooter with training wheels. I think it’s best to start learning what ever the pistol is that they would carry/shoot right away. I feel the same way about new riders on motorcycles. Don’t spend 6 months learning how to ride a 250cc Honda Rebel so you can relearn to ride your Ducati. It’s a waste of time getting on your true learning curve and might even make it harder as you have to change habits.

It is undignified to run with scissors! The paper should come to you :)

It is interesting that you use the illustration of motorcycle training. In teaching people to ride motocross, Dual Sports and street bikes I have found the opposite to be true. When a beginner pops the clutch with too much throttle, the 250 4-stroke will be much more forgiving. When a panicked rider pins the throttle, because a new rider squeezes the throttle grip, not focusing on turning it forward, a 250 4-stroke will be much more forgiving. The ability to balance and catch a small thin bike more easily helps with new riders, etc..

As this applies to beginners and their PX4s... I have found that new shooters can get confused or clumsy for a while. Also, having kids around... a safety is a good option. When skills progress and children are sufficiently educated and trained, if the person finds they shoot a lot or find other issues, the safety can be converted to decock only with 4 different choices of levers.

My recommendation was that one need not pass up on an LTT Compact Carry. It can be modified in both directions. They can train with the same pistol they will carry. Training wheels hold the bicycle up for you. Safeties are an added layer of protection against unskilled, nervous hands.

Do you have a Ducati?

[medmo]

Do you have a Ducati?

No, not currently. If time, money and garage space was unlimited I would have a few. Currently a ‘17 Electra Glide. I train hard on scooters as well. Skill level capable of passing a Motor Officers qual. Handle bar lock u turns from a stop, 18’ keyhole, and all assorted floor board scraping cone patterns. Monthly I hit the parking lot to brush up and also practice brake and evade to keep emergency brake and avoidance in the muscle. I’ve helped other riders with instruction and enjoy seeing them pick up the skills and learn how to actually operate a motorcycle.

In my mind the quickest path to expertise is getting on the hardware ASAP that which you desire to operate expertly.

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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

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In my mind the quickest path to expertise is getting on the hardware ASAP that which you desire to operate expertly.

Impressive & Cool!

[beenalongtime]

It is my fault... sometimes in trying to word things correctly I make them harder to understand.

And now you know where I am coming from. Without knowing the correct terminology, confusion ensues. (my thought was the longer and shorter reset, changed the SA just a little bit from time to time, not enough for most to worry about)

She is not a new shooter, by any means, just comes from a revolver only world. What was chosen was my third gun (I want this one, you can get another:rolleyes:), with the full slide levers (lefty) preference for the decocker only (revolver shooter again), and currently the three dot sights. (she said she may upgrade later, but the idea is for a lighted area gun. Left the factory bar in it (so far I have swapped only my range guns, debating about one subcompact). The revolver can now stay with her mother, which is what she is comfortable with.
So I am tempted to add the CC one, but moved my bought because I loved the DIY stipple job/example gun to the third place.

[medmo]

Unfortunately, the original TLR-7 does not work for me on my PX4CC because I can't reach the switches. The TLR-7A with the "high" switch corrects this issue and, in conjunction with mfrey's custom key for the TLR-7/A, makes for an excellent pistol-mounted light on the PX4 Compact. I'm now able to have a PX4CC set up as a nightstand gun with a good light, which checks yet another box on the list of capabilities that this gun can fulfill. Highly recommended.

Received mine from Matt (mfrey) today and just installed it. Will give it a test drive tonight.

Thanks Matt!

[medmo]

Ran 2 mags running the TLR7 attached with Matt’s (mfrey) key after dark without a problem. All good. Wonder what I can hang that TLR3 on now? Next, check with JMCK on the option for a Wing Claw 2.5 with this light. Thanks again Matt.

[snow white]

Put the px4 cc with the custom tlr 7 key through Jared Preston's gunfighter mod 1 two day class with zero issue over the weekend. Thanks mfrey!

[snow white]

Put the px4 cc with the custom tlr 7 key through Jared Preston's gunfighter mod 1 two day class with zero issue over the weekend. Thanks mfrey!

Jared reston* damn auto correct.

[Storm SD]

LangdonTactical You guys do such good work on the PX4 Storms, I was wondering if you could recommend a sight pusher to use when working on a PX4 Storm?

[LangdonTactical]

LangdonTactical You guys do such good work on the PX4 Storms, I was wondering if you could recommend a sight pusher to use when working on a PX4 Storm?

Most of the stuff we use has been customized. So nothing you can buy.

Sorry.

[Jason M]

LangdonTactical You guys do such good work on the PX4 Storms, I was wondering if you could recommend a sight pusher to use when working on a PX4 Storm?

This tool has proved useful for sight installation in a variety of guns including the PX4C and full size PX4. You just have to have the right "shoe" and the correct pusher block for the sights you are removing/installing. It was well worth the expense.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/sight-movers/range-master-compact-universal-sight-tool-prod107379.aspx

[Uncle_Jed]

I have the MGW Sight Pro tool as well. It works great. One thing I recommend is getting a set of the plastic shims https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019371325?pid=252160 to go with it. It will protect your slide.

[JTQ]

For those that don't remember, make sure you get jetfire to share his PX4 vs MGW sight pusher experience.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZLC-MVH40

[Storm SD]

This tool has proved useful for sight installation in a variety of guns including the PX4C and full size PX4. You just have to have the right "shoe" and the correct pusher block for the sights you are removing/installing. It was well worth the expense.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/sight-movers/range-master-compact-universal-sight-tool-prod107379.aspx

This is same sight pusher that Beretta recommended when I called them. Thanks for your reply.

[Storm SD]

I have the MGW Sight Pro tool as well. It works great. One thing I recommend is getting a set of the plastic shims https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019371325?pid=252160 to go with it. It will protect your slide.

Thank you. I appreciate the help.

[Jason M]

I have the MGW Sight Pro tool as well. It works great. One thing I recommend is getting a set of the plastic shims https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019371325?pid=252160 to go with it. It will protect your slide.

Mine came with both plastic and aluminum shims. The extra items I needed to purchase were the "shoes" for different guns.

[jetfire]

For those that don't remember, make sure you get jetfire to share his PX4 vs MGW sight pusher experience.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZLC-MVH40

That was an old model, the new universal pusher Beretta sells is pretty great.

[Gun Nerd]

Does anyone make a replacement floorplate or base pad that does away with the razor sharp corners, but doesn’t increase the magazine capacity? The factory mags are excruciating against bare skin, but some of us also have capacity limits to deal with.

[Beretta92x]

Does anyone make a replacement floorplate or base pad that does away with the razor sharp corners, but doesn’t increase the magazine capacity? The factory mags are excruciating against bare skin, but some of us also have capacity limits to deal with.

This hasnt ever bothered me, but why not just sand down the corner on one mag as a trial and see how you like it? This isnt something that would be hard to do and you wont ruin the magazine, just need to see if you are ok with the way it turns out looks wise. Worst case you ruined the looks of 1 $30 magazine that will still be fully functional.

[boing]

Does anyone make a replacement floorplate or base pad that does away with the razor sharp corners, but doesn’t increase the magazine capacity? The factory mags are excruciating against bare skin, but some of us also have capacity limits to deal with.

Beretta92x has it. You can take off a lot of the ouch before you start getting into the channel that the metal lip on the mag body fits into.

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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Gun Nerd , the ideas before this comment are great ideas. You could also use a needle file. If you don't like it you can get a new floor plate easily https://www.midwestgunworks.com/beretta-px4/magazine-bottom.html

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

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This pistol has 27,110 rounds of reliable service on it. Cerakoted slide (and a few parts) in S&W Red, medium mag release button, D spring, model 92 style levers (type G) & Talon grips.

[Hot Sauce]

Wow, that cerakote is hot hot heat!

[Archer1440]

Red and blue should never be used on functional firearms.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Red and blue should never be used on functional firearms.

This is a point of humor with us. We have 9 PX4 Storms. My wife carries a black PX4 SubCompact and has a duplicate (stunt double) for range training. The front view of a SubCompact Storm is intimidating. She also uses my full size PX4 .40 for a posted home defense pistol assigned to her "safe spot".

So, Yes... I agree. The red Compact is only used as a range toy and does not do any assigned defensive work.

[Welder]

I've been offered a used CC with some holster wear for a reasonable price. Polymer trigger, no NP3, it's a 2016 gun. I'm trying to figure out which Mod it is. What should the weights average with / without the trigger job? I can put it on a Lyman scale and check it out.

[Guerrero]

I've been offered a used CC with some holster wear for a reasonable price. Polymer trigger, no NP3, it's a 2016 gun. I'm trying to figure out which Mod it is. What should the weights average with / without the trigger job? I can put it on a Lyman scale and check it out.

I'd say regardless of the trigger weights, take it if the price is reasonable. It's easy to tweak the trigger later with just a different hammer spring (not to mention TJIAB).

[Welder]

I'd say regardless of the trigger weights, take it if the price is reasonable. It's easy to tweak the trigger later with just a different hammer spring (not to mention TJIAB).

Yeah, but I've already got a standard PX4 Compact with most of the work that the Carry has, so the addition of an LTT trigger job would probably put it over the top for me. That's kind of my reasoning on this one.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I've been offered a used CC with some holster wear for a reasonable price. Polymer trigger, no NP3, it's a 2016 gun. I'm trying to figure out which Mod it is. What should the weights average with / without the trigger job? I can put it on a Lyman scale and check it out.

If the Compact Carry came straight from Beretta without modifications the factory hammer spring will probably give a 10# to 11# double action.

If it was modified by LTT with a trigger job, it probably would have a reduced power hammer spring. A 12# spring might yield approximately 8# of double action pull, sometimes a little less. An 11# spring will yield anywhere from 6 1/2# to 7 1/4#.

It is also possible that a previous owner simply changed hammer springs on a stock Compact Carry.

I would also suggest looking for the LTT logo on the top strap in front of the rear sight.

As to the polymer trigger, all triggers are covered in polymer. The stock trigger is steel lined and framed with a polymer paddle. The competition all steel trigger is covered in Bruniton which has a polymer outer coating.
I doubt that LTT would have installed the all steel trigger as they know that it is prone to break and is not of the same quality as the stock trigger.

[Welder]

On a Lyman digital scale, the DA is 8 lbs 10 oz, the SA is 3 lbs 6 oz. So probably no trigger job. No LTT markings, but I have no idea where the "top strap" is on a semi-auto. If you mean the top of the slide, it's clean without markings. The gun is priced at $550. Maybe more than I want to pay for a Mod0.

[Beretta92x]

On a Lyman digital scale, the DA is 8 lbs 10 oz, the SA is 3 lbs 6 oz. So probably no trigger job. No LTT markings, but I have no idea where the "top strap" is on a semi-auto. If you mean the top of the slide, it's clean without markings. The gun is priced at $550. Maybe more than I want to pay for a Mod0.

The easy way to tell is to remove the slide and look at the color of the trigger assembly. The stock beretta trigger assembly is all black while the ltt is uncolored. Compare the trigger assembly in this video of stock vs ltt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQum92bi5J8

Oh and think the stock px4 single action was 5lbs. So it probably does have the trigger assembly in it.

[Beretta92x]

double post by mistake

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

The easy way to tell is to remove the slide and look at the color of the trigger assembly. The stock beretta trigger assembly is all black while the ltt is uncolored. Compare the trigger assembly in this video of stock vs ltt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQum92bi5J8

Oh and think the stock px4 single action was 5#. So it probably does have the trigger assembly in it.

Actually, a PX4 Compact Carry without modification from Beretta will come with a competition trigger group. It will be the same color and apparent configuration as a modified trigger job Compact Carry.

Though you are correct that the standard PX4 will have about a 5# single action, the competition trigger group has a lighter sear spring and more lubricity on the sear. Therefore, you will get a better single action even with a stock Compact Carry.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

On a Lyman digital scale, the DA is 8 lbs 10 oz, the SA is 3 lbs 6 oz. So probably no trigger job. No LTT markings, but I have no idea where the "top strap" is on a semi-auto. If you mean the top of the slide, it's clean without markings. The gun is priced at $550. Maybe more than I want to pay for a Mod0.

Yes, the top strap would be the top of the slide. It sounds like you are looking at a stock PX4 Compact Carry. If you were to invest $10 to $15 in a different, lighter hammer spring you might find the trigger action sufficient to make it worth your while. That would be a personal value assessment.

[beenalongtime]

On a Lyman digital scale, the DA is 8 lbs 10 oz, the SA is 3 lbs 6 oz. So probably no trigger job. No LTT markings, but I have no idea where the "top strap" is on a semi-auto. If you mean the top of the slide, it's clean without markings. The gun is priced at $550. Maybe more than I want to pay for a Mod0.


Since you already have a PX4, and you said it already has most of the mods, maybe you could expand on that?
My thoughts are, unless you need a range and a carry one, you might be better off to just get or do a TJ yourself, with the new trigger bar.

If you bought this one, what have you done to the other gun? (use parts from the two to make one carry, and one nice one for range)

[seamastersw]

I've really enjoyed and learned a lot in this thread. I bought one in 2017 and have been impressed with it. One issue I've noticed on my copy, is that the rear frame rail appears to have been improperly cut. I guess they mill out the plastic frame beneath the rear frame rail. It appears that on my pistol however a part of the steel frame rail was milled away. On the top of the frame rail some plastic remains. The pistol has a 2017 date and the serial number is PX3039xx Please check out the dropbox link and let me know what you think.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/w5z69b5ycugw8dj/AAC3zCJT1PXboobcXUCwRTBWa?dl=0

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I've really enjoyed and learned a lot in this thread. I bought one in 2017 and have been impressed with it. One issue I've noticed on my copy, is that the rear frame rail appears to have been improperly cut. I guess they mill out the plastic frame beneath the rear frame rail. It appears that on my pistol however a part of the steel frame rail was milled away. On the top of the frame rail some plastic remains. The pistol has a 2017 date and the serial number is PX3039xx Please check out the dropbox link and let me know what you think.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/w5z69b5ycugw8dj/AAC3zCJT1PXboobcXUCwRTBWa?dl=0

I looked over the pictures quite a few times. I do think I see what you are referring to. Your diagnosis of milling mishap is possible. It is also possible that the clearances of a slightly wider frame and a slightly thinner slide (within tolerances) created a clearance issue and the assembling pistolsmith simple filed the rail section to make it fit correctly.
If the pistol works well and the slide is tight enough it should not be a problem nor cause long term increase in wear.

I have had well over a dozen PX4s and have 9 of them now... none of them have this "cut" or penetration. Even my PX4 .45 that I took to 119,600 rounds did not penetrate there. This would also indicate that it is not a high stress wear spot to concern with IMO.

Is there any corresponding burr or anomaly in the slide rails that might have cut in?

[seamastersw]

I looked over the pictures quite a few times. I do think I see what you are referring to. Your diagnosis of milling mishap is possible. It is also possible that the clearances of a slightly wider frame and a slightly thinner slide (within tolerances) created a clearance issue and the assembling pistolsmith simple filed the rail section to make it fit correctly.
If the pistol works well and the slide is tight enough it should not be a problem nor cause long term increase in wear.

I have had well over a dozen PX4s and have 9 of them now... none of them have this "cut" or penetration. Even my PX4 .45 that I took to 119,600 rounds did not penetrate there. This would also indicate that it is not a high stress wear spot to concern with IMO.

Is there any corresponding burr or anomaly in the slide rails that might have cut in?

I noticed the issue with the rear frame rail when I first brought the pistol home. The slide is unaffected. In my estimation the rear frame rail was mounted too tall in the frame during molding. When the machining process which removes the polymer beneath the rail occurred, the cutter hit the rail tabs instead of passing cleanly beneath them. There is as much polymer on top of the rail tab as there is steel missing below. My concern is mainly that as the slide reciprocated over time, the polymer above the rail tab will wear or breaks away leaving an unsupported slide in the rear. Other than that, it’s a fantastic pistol

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I noticed the issue with the rear frame rail when I first brought the pistol home. The slide is unaffected. In my estimation the rear frame rail was mounted too tall in the frame during molding. When the machining process which removes the polymer beneath the rail occurred, the cutter hit the rail tabs instead of passing cleanly beneath them. There is as much polymer on top of the rail tab as there is steel missing below. My concern is mainly that as the slide reciprocated over time, the polymer above the rail tab will wear or breaks away leaving an unsupported slide in the rear. Other than that, it’s a fantastic pistol

A valid concern.

Perhaps it is worth sending some pictures by email to Beretta customer service. They might want to replace that frame.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Just went through my first experience in a class with the Vedder IWB LightTuck holster for the Px4 Compact Carry + PL2 Mini Valkyrie. It's no good for me.

The default clip is too long, and I can't get a good purchase with my hands on the grip in either appendix (with claw) or 3 o'clock (without claw) draws. At this height, the holster is so low that my belt+waistband squeeze the top of the holster, turning every textbook re-holstering into brain surgery. The height's also low enough that I can't even get my Px4 all the way into the holster, because my optic gets blocked by my waistband! I can't adjust the long clip any lower than it already is (to raise the holster) because it's currently down at the lowest screw holes. The waistband clip would really need to be attached almost at the muzzle for the kind of clip that Vedder would have provided. Vedder doesn't appear to make any shorter clips than what I got for this holster, as far as I can tell.

So I'm in the market for a new CC holster for the Px4CC! I have an Olight PL-2 Mini, and I'm slim enough for appendix carry (as mentioned above), for what that's worth. Any suggestions on a holster that sets up a higher ride height?

[medmo]

Just went through my first experience in a class with the Vedder IWB LightTuck holster for the Px4 Compact Carry + PL2 Mini Valkyrie. It's no good for me.

The default clip is too long, and I can't get a good purchase with my hands on the grip in either appendix (with claw) or 3 o'clock (without claw) draws. At this height, the holster is so low that my belt+waistband squeeze the top of the holster, turning every textbook re-holstering into brain surgery. The height's also low enough that I can't even get my Px4 all the way into the holster, because my optic gets blocked by my waistband! I can't adjust the long clip any lower than it already is (to raise the holster) because it's currently down at the lowest screw holes. The waistband clip would really need to be attached almost at the muzzle for the kind of clip that Vedder would have provided. Vedder doesn't appear to make any shorter clips than what I got for this holster, as far as I can tell.

So I'm in the market for a new CC holster for the Px4CC! I have an Olight PL-2 Mini, and I'm slim enough for appendix carry (as mentioned above), for what that's worth. Any suggestions on a holster that sets up a higher ride height?

I’ve had great success with the JMCK Wing Claw 2.5 but that’s with no light. I’m not sure what light options are offered.
My dream would be this holster with a TLR-7 but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

[Jared]

Just went through my first experience in a class with the Vedder IWB LightTuck holster for the Px4 Compact Carry + PL2 Mini Valkyrie. It's no good for me.

The default clip is too long, and I can't get a good purchase with my hands on the grip in either appendix (with claw) or 3 o'clock (without claw) draws. At this height, the holster is so low that my belt+waistband squeeze the top of the holster, turning every textbook re-holstering into brain surgery. The height's also low enough that I can't even get my Px4 all the way into the holster, because my optic gets blocked by my waistband! I can't adjust the long clip any lower than it already is (to raise the holster) because it's currently down at the lowest screw holes. The waistband clip would really need to be attached almost at the muzzle for the kind of clip that Vedder would have provided. Vedder doesn't appear to make any shorter clips than what I got for this holster, as far as I can tell.

So I'm in the market for a new CC holster for the Px4CC! I have an Olight PL-2 Mini, and I'm slim enough for appendix carry (as mentioned above), for what that's worth. Any suggestions on a holster that sets up a higher ride height?

My PX4CC is my primary carry gun. I use a JM Custom Kydex AIWB, the 2.5 Model. Any of their AIWB models should provide the ride height you want. I would make sure the get the “long” option that adds length. I’ve found it necessary for my.

FWIW, you can email them before ordering questions. Their CS is top notch.

[Welder]

I've done a search through this whole thread. Posts from several years ago are saying TLR-3 for a light or TLR-4 for a light/laser combo, then there's one mention each of a few others that fit.

Has anything more modern come out that I should look for? I've never had a WML before and don't know what I don't know. It would be going on this pistol, a PX4 CC.

Pictures welcome.

[BJV]

I've done a search through this whole thread. Posts from several years ago are saying TLR-3 for a light or TLR-4 for a light/laser combo, then there's one mention each of a few others that fit.

Has anything more modern come out that I should look for? I've never had a WML before and don't know what I don't know. It would be going on this pistol, a PX4 CC.


The TLR-7A with the "high" switch, in conjunction with forum member mfrey's custom key for the TLR-7/A, makes for an excellent modern pistol-mounted light on the PX4 Compact.

In the attachment, TLR-7A (high switch) is on the left; TLR-7 is on the right.
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[Av willis]

I was one of the ones who ran a tlr3 earlier on the thread. I did so for about a year before I decided the Juice wasn't worth the squeeze. This was before the pl mini and tlr7 were options, but I'm not convinced that they provide enough of an improvement to be worth going back, particularly with the added challenges of finding a decent holster, which is already a tricky proposition. In this context, I'm happy to run a wing claw 2.5, (just upgraded to one with dcc clips) attached to a phlster flex, and have my light needs be accomadated by a decent handheld with a thyrm switchback.

59995

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Thanks for the suggestions. If things go well I'll be looking at a JMCK holster soon

[David S.]

60578

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Very jealous. Also didn't know that LTT performs plate upgrades now!

[BJV]

60578


Thanks for posting this. Very interesting indeed.

Sidesaddle Cavalry, the plate upgrade/modification was done by C&H Precision Weapons, not LTT.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Oh! I completely missed that. I think I'll inquire with them to see what they might do about an Acro-to-RMR slide mill conversion...

EDIT: Just called them and it looks like they did have an agreement with LTT to do the job on Berettas for work like that. I've been exchanging e-mails with LTT about what can be done for my Px4CC at this point, but have been waiting back on pricing and logistics

[BJV]

Just called them and it looks like they did have an agreement with LTT to do the job on Berettas for work like that. I've been exchanging e-mails with LTT about what can be done for my Px4CC at this point, but have been waiting back on pricing and logistics


Sounds like going directly to C&H is the way to do it for now. Glad to hear there's been coordination between the two teams, though.

Thanks for the update!

[revchuck38]

Sounds like going directly to C&H is the way to do it for now. Glad to hear there's been coordination between the two teams, though.

Thanks for the update!

Just FYI, Walther USA apparently has an agreement with them to mill PPQ and PPS slides as well.

[EB71]

Sounds like going directly to C&H is the way to do it for now. Glad to hear there's been coordination between the two teams, though.

Thanks for the update!LTT did a post on it, good to see the collaboration. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200918/eca708d95cbbf8d849d7369fa0179a2f.jpg

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[Uncle_Jed]

Someone paid $1,465 for a NIB PX4 CC. Wow!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880528392

[learnerpermitted]

Someone paid $1,465 for a NIB PX4 CC. Wow!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880528392

I hope whoever purchased it knows its the base model

[boing]

I assume when someone sends a slide to LTT for the RMR cut, it’s just the assembled slide, and not the barrel, correct? I have an email in to them, but figured I’d ask here.

Edit: they just replied. No barrel.

[Shipwreck]

I hope whoever purchased it knows its the base model

Wow. Things are just going crazy with the prices

[medmo]

I assume when someone sends a slide to LTT for the RMR cut, it’s just the assembled slide, and not the barrel, correct? I have an email in to them, but figured I’d ask here.

Edit: they just replied. No barrel.

Any word on back up sight solution yet?

[boing]

Any word on back up sight solution yet?

Not that I’ve heard, but I’m not in the loop.

[medmo]

Not that I’ve heard, but I’m not in the loop.

Ok, it sounded like you were sending a slide in to LTT.

[David S.]

I assume when someone sends a slide to LTT for the RMR cut, it’s just the assembled slide, and not the barrel, correct? I have an email in to them, but figured I’d ask here.

Edit: they just replied. No barrel.

TLDR, I'd personally wait for Red Dot Solution version 2.0.

I was an early adopter of the PX4c LTT RDS solution. It ran fine for daily concealed carry and through a couple one day classes. I recently decided to consolidate on a different "platform," because reasons.

disclaimers: I have no skill set that qualifies me to pass judgement on LTT's work. It's the internet, so I'm going to do it anyway. This is just my observation as a simple gun owner and worth exactly what you paid for it. Also, none of this is meant to disparage Ernest's work. He's been super helpful to me over the years. I have tremendous respect for his work, and this is a product of what was available at the time.

The most obvious challenge is that the PX4 requires some sort of plate due to its firing pin safety that pops out the top. Direct milling doesn't appear to be an option.

The area that's cut-out for the extractor seems to creates another complication. The screw that mount the plate to the right side of the slide is really close to the edge of that extractor cut out. Additionally, after milling, the left side screw hole in the slide only has two or three threads worth of depth for the mounting screw. It's hard to explain without pics but there doesn't seem to be enough metal in the right areas to make it robust. (again, I'm not qualified to make a definitive statement, it's just my impression as a ignorant consumer. That said, the machinist who's milled a couple other guns for me expressed the same concern.)

Micro dots (Holosun 507k, RMRcc) present some interesting new options to work with. My gut says their size will allow the mount to be positioned better. I also think the aftermarket industry (C&H Precision, for example) has significantly improved on the MOS plate concept.

From what I understand LTT is working on a v2.0. I don't know any details about it or when it will get released. I expect it's still months away. I expect that his experience designing the 92 solution, combined with new technology will make for a much more elegant design. I think it'll be worth holding out for.

Cheers,
David S

[boing]

Thanks for your perspective, David.

LangdonTactical : As screenshotted above, it looks like you’re working with CHPWS, but for those of us who don’t Instagram or BookFace, are you able to speak to any “next gen” version of the optics mount solution?

[Beretta92x]

Didn't Ernest a month or two ago make a post here that the px4 is not something they are working on improving right now? Might have been the thread about the the 92 red Dot. I believe someone asked him if he was going to make the same solution for the px4.

[revchuck38]

David S. - Which platform did you decide to go to?

[BJV]

A spare parts question:

Are the PX4 SD springs (nickel plated springs) direct replacements for the "regular" springs in the full-size 9mm and the compact 9mm PX4s? In other words, are they the same springs as the "regular" PX4 springs but with a special plating, or are they sized differently and/or have different rates/stiffness?

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

A spare parts question:

Are the PX4 SD springs (nickel plated springs) direct replacements for the "regular" springs in the full-size 9mm and the compact 9mm PX4s? In other words, are they the same springs as the "regular" PX4 springs but with a special plating, or are they sized differently and/or have different rates/stiffness?

The parts that are made for the SD are the same size, tension and so forth. They are simply coated. So, you are correct. The coating is not the same as a chrome silicon which enters and bonds with the metal in the outer layers. Therefore, spring life should not be enhanced by this coating other than adding lubricity and lack of friction.

Having put well over 250,000 rounds on PX4 Storms and 119,600 rounds on just one PX4, I have had to use parts and replacement springs as I could find them. I have used SD springs, pins and parts in non-SD PX4s and I have used regular parts and springs in my SD, as well.

Though the SubCompact has a few parts that are different, there are a lot of parts that all of the PX4s share.

Naturally, caliber specific springs or slide rebound springs are specific to a model, though the SD dual spring guide rod assembly can be used in any PX4 45.

[BJV]

The parts that are made for the SD are the same size, tension and so forth. They are simply coated.


Fantastic, thank you.

[David S.]

David S. - Which platform did you decide to go to?

CZ P-07 and 09.

[TheNewbie]

CZ P-07 and 09.


What else is there?


Joking, but it is a great platform.

[David S.]

What else is there?
Joking, but it is a great platform.

I honestly prefer the feel of the Beretta triggers better, but I don't know that the better trigger improved my performance.

All and all, the CZ's just work better for me, particularly as a dot shooter.

[TheNewbie]

I honestly prefer the feel of the Beretta triggers better, but I don't know that the better trigger improved my performance.

All and all, the CZ's just work better for me, particularly as a dot shooter.


Had I tried the PX4 first, there is a good chance I would have went with it.

Man if the D versions were in common production, I would be really tempted.

[medmo]

I was one of the ones who ran a tlr3 earlier on the thread. I did so for about a year before I decided the Juice wasn't worth the squeeze. This was before the pl mini and tlr7 were options, but I'm not convinced that they provide enough of an improvement to be worth going back, particularly with the added challenges of finding a decent holster, which is already a tricky proposition. In this context, I'm happy to run a wing claw 2.5, (just upgraded to one with dcc clips) attached to a phlster flex, and have my light needs be accomadated by a decent handheld with a thyrm switchback.

59995

I’m getting tired of swapping my TLR7 on and off my pistol daily. Wish there was a decent AIWB holster for a Px4CC with a light like most other platforms. I‘ve queried the best holster manufacturers and have gotten the same response. The market isn’t there, so it isn’t happening. Still waiting on an improved MRDS solution including BUS also. I’m thinking the Px4CC platform is going to die a slow death without some better lit holstered carry options and improved MRDS solution. Sad, because I shoot mine so damn well.

[CraigS]

Have you looked at the Black Hawk Omnivore? I flipped a coin (you have to choose between a Streamlight and a Surefire) and got one for my M9A1 idpa pistol w/ a Crimson Trace light/laser unit to try shooting an idpa might match. Took some work inside for it to fit but it does work. I ended up modified and then completely removing the locking device but now wish I hadn't.
https://blackhawk.com/omnivore-multifit-holsters/

[revchuck38]

CraigS - Their fit chart doesn't list any Berettas. Which did you get?

[claymore504]

I’m getting tired of swapping my TLR7 on and off my pistol daily. Wish there was a decent AIWB holster for a Px4CC with a light like most other platforms. I‘ve queried the best holster manufacturers and have gotten the same response. The market isn’t there, so it isn’t happening. Still waiting on an improved MRDS solution including BUS also. I’m thinking the Px4CC platform is going to die a slow death without some better lit holstered carry options and improved MRDS solution. Sad, because I shoot mine so damn well.

Check out Black Rhino Concealment. They have the most pistols with lights and optics options I have seen. They make outstanding holsters.

https://blackrhinoconcealment.com/acs-appendix-carry-system-beretta-acs.html

[CraigS]

Medmo, my mistake in that I now see you are looking for an AIWB holster. Sorry.
Revchuck I got the Streamlight version. This thing has a ton of extra space inside around the gun. But it's pretty tight around the light. So I'd try to get light dimensions for the 2 models they say fit and compare to your light. The lock is a nice mechanism that latches onto the light rather than the more common front of the trigger guard.

[medmo]

Medmo, my mistake in that I now see you are looking for an AIWB holster. Sorry.
Revchuck I got the Streamlight version. This thing has a ton of extra space inside around the gun. But it's pretty tight around the light. So I'd try to get light dimensions for the 2 models they say fit and compare to your light. The lock is a nice mechanism that latches onto the light rather than the more common front of the trigger guard.

Thanks! Have an AIWB, ACS, for a TLR7 on order. Also ordered it with the red dot cut and sup sights. A little wishful thinking here, hoping the BUS sight solution will be coming soon.

[medmo]

Check out Black Rhino Concealment. They have the most pistols with lights and optics options I have seen. They make outstanding holsters.

https://blackrhinoconcealment.com/acs-appendix-carry-system-beretta-acs.html

Thanks, really appreciate the scoop. Surprised that they had a TLR7 option.

[gc70]

What is the weight of a standard PX4 hammer spring? I am trying to decide what weight hammer spring to get for my PX4, but I would like to know the spring I buy in relation to the factory standard spring.

[revchuck38]

What is the weight of a standard PX4 hammer spring? I am trying to decide what weight hammer spring to get for my PX4, but I would like to know the spring I buy in relation to the factory standard spring.

I think the factory spring is 16 lbs. My experience is that a 12 lb. spring will fire anything including Winchester NATO-spec ammo and handloads with rifle primers, and the lighter springs work with commercial ammo and handloads with pistol primers. I haven't tried steel case ammo. The Beretta PX4 D spring is somewhat heavier than the 12 lb. spring.

Note that recommendations for the 92 series are different than the PX4, they're different guns.

[gc70]

I have been trying to piece together an idea of the spring weights. LangdonTactical has 10# and 11# springs for the PX4. LTT also says the PX4 D spring is too light for use in the 92. In a video on 92 springs, Ernest suggests the 92 gets dicey below 13#, which leads me to believe the PX4 D spring may be in the 12# to 13# range. Ernest also says the standard 92 spring is/was 20# and the 92 D spring is 16#. Then Ernest warns that the 92 D spring is heavier than the standard PX4 spring. That suggests that the standard PX4 spring is somewhere in the 13# to 15# range.

At any rate, if anyone knows the weights of the PX4 standard and D springs, I would appreciate that info.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I have been trying to piece together an idea of the spring weights. LangdonTactical has 10# and 11# springs for the PX4. LTT also says the PX4 D spring is too light for use in the 92. In a video on 92 springs, Ernest suggests the 92 gets dicey below 13#, which leads me to believe the PX4 D spring may be in the 12# to 13# range. Ernest also says the standard 92 spring is/was 20# and the 92 D spring is 16#. Then Ernest warns that the 92 D spring is heavier than the standard PX4 spring. That suggests that the standard PX4 spring is somewhere in the 13# to 15# range.

At any rate, if anyone knows the weights of the PX4 standard and D springs, I would appreciate that info.

Your information is good, but there is a "translation metrix" missing, so to speak. The problem with the cross reference is that the m-92 springs are 3 coils longer. So, in a PX4 the stock spring produces a 20# yield and the PX4 D spring ~16#. However, the 10#, 11#, 12#, 13# spring designations are m-92 springs.

Since a D spring from a model 92 is 3 coils longer it will be stiffer in a PX4, too stiff. Yet a D spring from a PX4 would be too weak in an m-92 (3 coils too short).

I have found that a 12# m-92 spring in a PX4 will produce the same trigger pulls as a PX4 (actually Cougar) D spring.

In a model 92 that same 12# spring would be right on the borderline of reliability (depending upon ammo and firing pin channel maintenance), yet in a PX4 it is strong enough that many use the 11# spring.

[BJV]

Regarding replacement recoil spring assemblies for the PX4 compact, I see some sites list separate parts for 9mm and .40SW, but other sites list the same (single) part as applicable to both 9mm and .40SW. Did Beretta eliminate the two separate parts in favor of one common part?

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Regarding replacement recoil spring assemblies for the PX4 compact, I see some sites list separate parts for 9mm and .40SW, but other sites list the same (single) part as applicable to both 9mm and .40SW. Did Beretta eliminate the two separate parts in favor of one common part?

The PX4 Compact (and full size) use a different slide rebound spring (guide rod assembly) for 9mm and .40. Only the PX4 SubCompact has a progressive spring that is shared for both calibers.

So, the PX4 Compact needs a different spring for .40. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8a652

9mm https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-compact-recoil-rod-kit-w-work-instructions/c8a644w/

[BJV]

The PX4 Compact (and full size) use a different slide rebound spring (guide rod assembly) for 9mm and .40. Only the PX4 SubCompact has a progressive spring that is shared for both calibers.

So, the PX4 Compact needs a different spring for .40. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8a652

9mm https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8a644

I had thought the same, but MGW shows the 9mm compact recoil assembly as discontinued:

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8a644

Brownells doesn't carry it anymore (whereas they once did), but they still carry the .40SW version.

Maybe it's just supply shortages.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I had thought the same, but MGW shows the 9mm compact recoil assembly as discontinued:

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8a644

Brownells doesn't carry it anymore (whereas they once did), but they still carry the .40SW version.

Maybe it's just supply shortages.

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-compact-recoil-rod-kit-w-work-instructions/c8a644w/ I edited the previous comment too slowly...

[BJV]

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-compact-recoil-rod-kit-w-work-instructions/c8a644w/ I edited the previous comment too slowly...

Got it. Thanks, Storm Tracker.

[medmo]

Check out Black Rhino Concealment. They have the most pistols with lights and optics options I have seen. They make outstanding holsters.

https://blackrhinoconcealment.com/acs-appendix-carry-system-beretta-acs.html

Update on the Black Rhino Concealment AIWB, ACS for the Px4 Compact Carry with a TLR7 after much carry experience. It’s perfect for me, conceals under an untucked t, completely secure/comfy, excellent draw and I’m damn joyous that I can leave the TLR7 mounted on the pistol 24x7. Thank you claymore504 for the recommend, mfrey for making it possible by creating the TLR7 key, and BRC. Guess I should thank Ernest also for developing the Carry platform, thanks! I ordered the BRC with the RDO cut out/suppressor height sights option and am eagerly anticipating the Px4 RDO solution rev up with a CW sight.

[Noah]

Anyone seen the new TLR7Sub which has a model that fits the PX4 Compact and Subcompact?

[claymore504]

Update on the Black Rhino Concealment AIWB, ACS for the Px4 Compact Carry with a TLR7 after much carry experience. It’s perfect for me, conceals under an untucked t, completely secure/comfy, excellent draw and I’m damn joyous that I can leave the TLR7 mounted on the pistol 24x7. Thank you claymore504 for the recommend, mfrey for making it possible by creating the TLR7 key, and BRC. Guess I should thank Ernest also for developing the Carry platform, thanks! I ordered the BRC with the RDO cut out/suppressor height sights option and am eagerly anticipating the Px4 RDO solution rev up with a CW sight.

Glad Black Rhino had what you needed. I am amazed at the selection of combos they have overall.

[medmo]

Glad Black Rhino had what you needed. I am amazed at the selection of combos they have overall.

The people at Black Rhino are totally cool. I ordered the holster online and they contacted me saying that there isn’t a key with this WML that keeps it from not flying off under recoil with a Px4. They know their stuff. I explained to them the whole pistol-forum mfrey making the Px4 key thing and they were completely onboard, rock on. Great people, love their service and product. Still wearing that holster several times a week when I have to leave the ranch. Comfy, concealable, excellent draw. I ordered an OWB paddle from them for the Px4/TLR7 to replace my kind of big, clunky Fobus snap button paddle holster.

[learnerpermitted]

Anyone seen the new TLR7Sub which has a model that fits the PX4 Compact and Subcompact?

I just sent a request for a light-tuck holster for this from Vedder. I hope enough people request it for them to justify making it.

[Erik]

Does anybody know if there are any magazine base plates available that will extend the grip a bit without adding additional rounds (10 round magazine capacity limit here) or if the base plates from any other models will work on the PX4 compact magazines? Something with a small pinky extension or just a little more depth is what I'm looking for. The sub-compact base plates won't work as I understand it. I've searched the thread and googled and not found anything that will. Thanks.

[AdioSS]

The sub-compact base plates won't work as I understand it.
It can be done.
https://i.postimg.cc/gxkwmrSY/EBE0642-B-53-AB-4393-9117-DD566-F28-E1-F0.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gxkwmrSY)

[Erik]

What's the secret? Every place I've seen them sold says they won't fit.

[Noah]

Langdon's site mentions that a new PX4 RDO mount is in the works!

[AdioSS]

What's the secret? Every place I've seen them sold says they won't fit.

As is, no it will not fit. It is too thick above where it connects to the mag tube to allow the mag to seat. Compare the base with the one that came on the Compact mag. Remove material (plastic) to match the thickness or until the mag seats consistently. Not too difficult, really.

[beenalongtime]

Does anybody know if there are any magazine base plates available that will extend the grip a bit without adding additional rounds (10 round magazine capacity limit here) or if the base plates from any other models will work on the PX4 compact magazines? Something with a small pinky extension or just a little more depth is what I'm looking for. The sub-compact base plates won't work as I understand it. I've searched the thread and googled and not found anything that will. Thanks.
Yes:

"I want a finger extension for the magazines on my PX4 compact and found there were none. Well a little digging and research these magazine bases are for an H&K USP9. Fit well lock in as they are supposed to and give a nice little extension. Found them at Brownells, part # 760-000-847WB Mfr.# 215980" quoting GentlemanJim from here:
http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=134593&highlight=px4+base+plate

[Erik]

Thank you both. I'd never have found that Beretta forum post with the search terms I was using. I appreciate it.

[BJV]

Langdon's site mentions that a new PX4 RDO mount is in the works!

This is great to hear! Thanks for calling it out. I hope it's something similar to the 92 RDO solution.

[Noah]

This is great to hear! Thanks for calling it out. I hope it's something similar to the 92 RDO solution.

From the screen grab from a Langdon video someone posted in another thread, it is!

[bovw]

I’ve had a CC for almost a year, and just got to the end of this thread over a couple weeks. I’m planning on going with the OP trigger bar and the 11# hammer spring. The only other wish is a short reach trigger option due to my hand size.

[medmo]

From the screen grab from a Langdon video someone posted in another thread, it is!

From www.langdontactical.com:

NEW MOUNTING SOLUTION IN DEVELOPMENT AND COMING SOON!
We have been working hard to develop an optimized Red Dot mounting solution for the PX4 and we are now close to debuting that option - in the meantime the current Red Dot mounting solution will continue to be offered, but we recommend waiting if you can.

I'm damn near giddy. Lying. I'm flat out giddy. The last two holsters I ordered, from Black Rhino Concealment, are set up with the TLR7 AND an optics cut anticipating this magic moment.

[jrbway]

From www.langdontactical.com:

NEW MOUNTING SOLUTION IN DEVELOPMENT AND COMING SOON!
We have been working hard to develop an optimized Red Dot mounting solution for the PX4 and we are now close to debuting that option - in the meantime the current Red Dot mounting solution will continue to be offered, but we recommend waiting if you can.

I'm damn near giddy. Lying. I'm flat out giddy. The last two holsters I ordered, from Black Rhino Concealment, are set up with the TLR7 AND an optics cut anticipating this magic moment.

Daggum! That's wonderful news! I decided 2021 would be the year I started playing with dots; I'm excited my favorite handgun might get a better dot option soon.

[Noah]

https://www.facebook.com/838026279602156/posts/5135406949864046/

Zoom in on these pics of Ernest shooting with Jedlinski, you'll like what you see.

[medmo]

Oh, my, that front sight looks tall and co witnessed.

[beenalongtime]

https://www.facebook.com/838026279602156/posts/5135406949864046/

Zoom in on these pics of Ernest shooting with Jedlinski, you'll like what you see.

Link doesn't work. Have any antisocial media links?

[LOKNLOD]

Link doesn't work. Have any antisocial media links?

The pic in medmo's previous post is a zoom on that picture.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

https://www.facebook.com/838026279602156/posts/5135406949864046/

Zoom in on these pics of Ernest shooting with Jedlinski, you'll like what you see.

I'm beside myself right now. A lower mount height and cowitness irons would be optimal!!

[Noah]

I'm beside myself right now. A lower mount height and cowitness irons would be optimal!!


I'm assuming it will be a very similar getup to their 92 system.

[Erik]

So, is this the new offering or is this the old offering LT recommends holding off on?

https://www.langdontactical.com/px4-micro-red-dot-mounting-solution/

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

It's the old offering, with a note at the top of the description talking about the new offering coming soon.

[Erik]

Thanks.

[Uncle_Jed]

It sure looks like Ernest has got a Trijicon SRO mounted on top of a PX4. A new offerring from LTT can't be far behind.

[beenalongtime]

It sure looks like Ernest has got a Trijicon SRO mounted on top of a PX4. A new offerring from LTT can't be far behind.


At this point, I wouldn't be surprised, if he has the solution done, but was awaiting on the guns.

[CLaw]

I really like the 92 RDO solution. I've thought about looking into a 92 Compact RDO. I may hold off to see how the PX4 Compact RDO solution turns out...

How does the size of the PX4 Compact compare to the 92 Compact?

[Noah]

I really like the 92 RDO solution. I've thought about looking into a 92 Compact RDO. I may hold off to see how the PX4 Compact RDO solution turns out...

How does the size of the PX4 Compact compare to the 92 Compact?

The PX4 Compact has a slightly longer grip and much shorter barrel. Both are good guns but quite different sizes.

Langdon just said on Instagram that the PX4 dot system is coming in just a month or two!!

[BJV]

The PX4 Compact has a slightly longer grip and much shorter barrel. Both are good guns but quite different sizes.

Langdon just said on Instagram that the PX4 dot system is coming in just a month or two!!


Yeah, the PX4 Compact is about an inch shorter in the slide/barrel than the 92 Compact. Should make for a great RDO gun.

I'm waiting anxiously.

[Noah]

Yeah, the PX4 Compact is about an inch shorter in the slide/barrel than the 92 Compact. Should make for a great RDO gun.

I'm waiting anxiously.

The only reason I didn't keep my PX4 Compact was the lack of a decent WML. The TLR7Sub will fix that too.

[CLaw]

Interesting, so the PX4 grip might be a bit harder to conceal than the 92 compact? Does anyone have both and care to show side-by-side photos?


The PX4 Compact has a slightly longer grip and much shorter barrel. Both are good guns but quite different sizes.

Langdon just said on Instagram that the PX4 dot system is coming in just a month or two!!

[Noah]

Interesting, so the PX4 grip might be a bit harder to conceal than the 92 compact? Does anyone have both and care to show side-by-side photos?


Its like a quarter inch difference. For me, I'd prefer the PX4 grip since it's jusstttt enough to get my whole hand on, similar in size to a G19 with a Vickers Plug or M&P 2.0C. But I carry full size 92s.

[S Jenks]

Interesting, so the PX4 grip might be a bit harder to conceal than the 92 compact? Does anyone have both and care to show side-by-side photos?

I can later tonight, if no one beats me to it.

[S Jenks]

Interesting, so the PX4 grip might be a bit harder to conceal than the 92 compact? Does anyone have both and care to show side-by-side photos?

My mistake, I read that as 92 Centurion, not 92 Compact, so I can’t help with pics or measurements. Not enough coffee today I’m afraid.

I used to own a Compact. I sold it for a Centurion only because the grip was just short enough to pinch my pinky finger if I didn’t flip it out during reloads. I don’t have that issue with the PX4CC (or the P229, for size reference).

Back when Centurions were hard to come by, I thought someone could have made bank if they came out with a mag well for the Compact that would bring the grip to full sized/Centurion dimensions for use with full sized mags.

[beenalongtime]

Interesting, so the PX4 grip might be a bit harder to conceal than the 92 compact? Does anyone have both and care to show side-by-side photos?

No photo's as I am in the middle of a move.

http://www.handgunhero.com/compare/beretta-px4-storm-compact-vs-beretta-92-fs-compact

[CLaw]

No photo's as I am in the middle of a move.

http://www.handgunhero.com/compare/beretta-px4-storm-compact-vs-beretta-92-fs-compact

That’s great. Thank you!

[Whirlwind06]

https://www.langdontactical.com/custom-gun-work-ltt-rdo-optic-cut-px4-full-size/



The New PX4 Red Dot Optic Cut Solution for the PX4 Full-Size

You asked and we listened. Langdon Tactical has developed better red dot optic cut for your PX4 slide using the same concept that we developed for the 92. With this new solution, the slide is milled .140" down into the top of the slide. This system is .043" lower than the previous PX4 solution, placing the dot .915" above the centerline of the bore with a Trijicon RMR. The adapter plate will fit the Trijicon RMR footprint (see below for a list of red dot optics that fit on this plate). This RDO Solution uses a very similar proprietary adaptor plate as the LTT 92 RDO system with an integrated back-up rear sight that is matched to the height of the integrated rear sight for proper point of impact. The adaptor is held in place with three screws and includes the front dovetail cut.


Looks like there is a waiting list for the Px4 compact.

[perlslacker]

Just got an email with this subject:

https://i.imgur.com/J3lPwjl.png

And this was inside:

https://i.imgur.com/MgPtVrP.png

Gonna send this to Merriam Webster to see if they'll make it the new definition of "burying the lede."

[medmo]

https://www.langdontactical.com/custom-gun-work-ltt-rdo-optic-cut-px4-full-size/



Looks like there is a waiting list for the Px4 compact.

Sweet! Added to wish list, and signed up for the email notification when available.

[GJM]

I was discussing this with Darryl, and he is so excited he is sending a slide over to Ernest right away. I jokingly asked him if Ernest would do the special variant for him, with the front sight motion activated so it extends like a car antenna when you draw. He said that is coming in the Gen 3 model.

[revchuck38]

https://www.langdontactical.com/custom-gun-work-ltt-rdo-optic-cut-px4-full-size/



Looks like there is a waiting list for the Px4 compact.

Looks like a good use for Biden Bux. I've got three full-size ones, the slide off the training gun will be going in. Time to dip my toe into this red dot thing.

[GJM]

The PX4 series is so flat shooting, it would seem to be a perfect red dot platform.

[Maca]

I am trying to figure out how large, relatively speaking, is the PX4 Carry Full Size???

[Whirlwind06]

I am trying to figure out how large, relatively speaking, is the PX4 Carry Full Size???

A lot like the Glock 45. 4 inch barrel with 17 round magazine.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g19x-vs-beretta-px4-storm-full

[luckyman]

A lot like the Glock 45. 4 inch barrel with 17 round magazine.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g19x-vs-beretta-px4-storm-full

The px4 full-size carries definitely smaller AIWB than a G17 for me, and I think a little better than a G19. There seems to be some magic going on there; I think related to the rounded contours of the slide.

[BJV]

The PX4 RDO option is finally here in Ernest. Revels!

While I'm especially looking forward to the compact mount, I just bought an extra full sized slide just to send in for this new mount.

[medmo]

The PX4 RDO option is finally here in Ernest. Revels!

While I'm especially looking forward to the compact mount, I just bought an extra full sized slide just to send in for this new mount.

How's a guy buy an extra Px4 slide?

[BJV]

How's a guy buy an extra Px4 slide?

They turn up on eBay periodically, as well as EveryGunPart.com at times.

EDIT: There's a compact 9mm slide on eBay right now for $125. It'd need a barrel and cam block, of course, but the slide is a start.

EDIT 2: MGW has the compact cam block and adapter in stock. That just leaves the barrel.

[CLaw]

Tough decision... 92 Compact with RDO or PX4 Compact...

On one hand I have invested in 92 holsters and magazines... on another, the px4 is lighter...

[breakingtime91]

Tough decision... 92 Compact with RDO or PX4 Compact...

On one hand I have invested in 92 holsters and magazines... on another, the px4 is lighter...

safety lever killed it for me with the 92 compact.

[revchuck38]

Looks like a good use for Biden Bux. I've got three full-size ones, the slide off the training gun will be going in. Time to dip my toe into this red dot thing.


The PX4 series is so flat shooting, it would seem to be a perfect red dot platform.

We'll see how this works out, the slide is on its way to Ernest. If nothing else, I'll be the geezer with the coolest carry gun for miles around. :)

[medmo]

They turn up on eBay periodically, as well as EveryGunPart.com at times.

EDIT: There's a compact 9mm slide on eBay right now for $125. It'd need a barrel and cam block, of course, but the slide is a start.

EDIT 2: MGW has the compact cam block and adapter in stock. That just leaves the barrel.

I must have missed it. Don’t see it now. I’d be all over that one. Keep one slide standard with the Ameriglo and another RDO.

[medmo]

They turn up on eBay periodically, as well as EveryGunPart.com at times.

EDIT: There's a compact 9mm slide on eBay right now for $125. It'd need a barrel and cam block, of course, but the slide is a start.

EDIT 2: MGW has the compact cam block and adapter in stock. That just leaves the barrel.

Thank you! Much appreciated. Looks like I’ll have a slide heading to LTT very soon and am dang happy about it.

[Bobaloo22]

I didn't see it posted here but Langdon and others have PX4 in stock again.

[medmo]

We'll see how this works out, the slide is on its way to Ernest. If nothing else, I'll be the geezer with the coolest carry gun for miles around. :)

Seriously? Did you send it? Are we allowed to do that? Ernest, green lamp lit?

Just got a spare slide from EBay, on a tip from BJV, that is waiting for the GEN2 RMR solution and a set of Fuglys.

I’m feeling like I’m a few steps short of the EDC Promised Land. Finally, that EDC, that has all of the boxes checked with zero compromise.

Standing by to stand by with enthusiasm.

[revchuck38]

Seriously? Did you send it? Are we allowed to do that? Ernest, green lamp lit?

Just got a spare slide from EBay, on a tip from BJV, that is waiting for the GEN2 RMR solution and a set of Fuglys.

I’m feeling like I’m a few steps short of the EDC Promised Land. Finally, that EDC, that has all of the boxes checked with zero compromise.

Standing by to stand by with enthusiasm.

I did send it in, but it's a full-size slide, not a compact. Looks like he's still working on the compact version.

[medmo]

I did send it in, but it's a full-size slide, not a compact. Looks like he's still working on the compact version.

Oh, dang. I really need to work on my reading comprehension skills. Thanks

[revchuck38]

I did send it in, but it's a full-size slide, not a compact. Looks like he's still working on the compact version.

I just got an email from LTT, they have my slide and are quoting a 6-12 week turnaround. I already have a Holosun 507c inbound, need to order a holster.

[bovw]

I just put the OP trigger bar into my Compact Carry, and have an issue. With the frame fully assembled, the hammer drops when pulling the trigger in SA. With the slide on the frame, with the hammer cocked, I have to pull the trigger all the way, let it forward to reset, then the hammer will drop in SA. DA seems to work fine, and if I rack the slide with the trigger back , then let off to reset, it seems to function correctly.

Should mention, put in a spur less hammer at the same time.


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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I just put the OP trigger bar into my Compact Carry, and have an issue. With the frame fully assembled, the hammer drops when pulling the trigger in SA. With the slide on the frame, with the hammer cocked, I have to pull the trigger all the way, let it forward to reset, then the hammer will drop in SA. DA seems to work fine, and if I rack the slide with the trigger back , then let off to reset, it seems to function correctly.

Should mention, put in a spur less hammer at the same time.


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The first things that I would look at in that circumstance would be: firstly, is the trigger bar spring in its place under the trigger bar?

Next, I would make sure there is lubrication and free movement between the trigger bar and the frame.

The difference the slide would make, being in place is to push down on the trigger bar and also to put pressure on the firing pin block plunger lever. I would check for free movement up and down on the trigger bar when the slide is not on there.

I have heard of cases where the OP trigger bar from LTT was misshapen. Of course, they stood behind their product and sent out a new one.

I would also look on the right side of the cam block housing to see that the trigger bar is able to go all the way forward enough when the trigger is pulled back. This is where the overtravel control is done by enlarging the front of the trigger bar.

The second question that I would ask is, did you burnish the new hammer with three or four push offs in single action?

[bovw]

The first things that I would look at in that circumstance would be: firstly, is the trigger bar spring in its place under the trigger bar?

Next, I would make sure there is lubrication and free movement between the trigger bar and the frame.

The difference the slide would make, being in place is to push down on the trigger bar and also to put pressure on the firing pin block plunger lever. I would check for free movement up and down on the trigger bar when the slide is not on there.

I have heard of cases where the OP trigger bar from LTT was misshapen. Of course, they stood behind their product and sent out a new one.

I would also look on the right side of the cam block housing to see that the trigger bar is able to go all the way forward enough when the trigger is pulled back. This is where the overtravel control is done by enlarging the front of the trigger bar.

The second question that I would ask is, did you burnish the new hammer with three or four push offs in single action?
Yes, I did check the trigger bar spring, it seemed to be in place. I did burnish the hammer as well. Last night I decide to take it back down and start over. The trigger bar must not have been completely in place, had a heck of a time getting the parts out of the frame. When I put it all back together, it functions as it should. Now I’m waiting for a hammer pin retaining spring, I broke it....

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

Yes, I did check the trigger bar spring, it seemed to be in place. I did burnish the hammer as well. Last night I decide to take it back down and start over. The trigger bar must not have been completely in place, had a heck of a time getting the parts out of the frame. When I put it all back together, it functions as it should. Now I’m waiting for a hammer pin retaining spring, I broke it....

Sometimes getting the trigger bar cog to go into the right spot in the hammer unit body and hammer can be tricky. Glad you got it solved. Sometimes hammer pin springs can be stubborn. I keep spares around. The final test will be when you install the new hammer pin spring. Then you can rule out its rubbing on the trigger bar. Since you have it working now you know the trigger bar is good.

[bovw]

Sometimes getting the trigger bar cog to go into the right spot in the hammer unit body and hammer can be tricky. Glad you got it solved. Sometimes hammer pin springs can be stubborn. I keep spares around. The final test will be when you install the new hammer pin spring. Then you can rule out its rubbing on the trigger bar. Since you have it working now you know the trigger bar is good.

Replacement and spares ordered.


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[bovw]

New spring is in and function checks fine.


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[PX4 Storm Tracker]

New spring is in and function checks fine.

Excellent!

[medmo]

Just saw this posted on landgontactical.com. Hell yeah. Getting close.

[gato naranja]

Just saw this posted on landgontactical.com. Hell yeah. Getting close.

That checks a lot of the boxes people seem to claim need checking. Even for Beretta-haters, it ought to be compelling.

(IMO, the PX4 is STILL the best pistol most people have not tried - or will not try - for themselves.)

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Oh boy. I hope this is yet another significant DA pull improvement...

71153

[bovw]

Oh boy. I hope this is yet another significant DA pull improvement...

71153

I received the email at 1521 EST, sold out when I went to LTT less than 15 minutes later.


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[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

I received the email at 1521 EST, sold out when I went to LTT less than 15 minutes later.


Check again? I think when I posted the email screenshot the entry wasn't fully marked as in stock yet: https://www.langdontactical.com/beretta-92-match-hammer/

Note for other people looking at this product: It only works with the Enhanced Performance Trigger Bar (or the 92x performance trigger bar if you're on a 92), and requires a gunsmith install.

[learnerpermitted]

That checks a lot of the boxes people seem to claim need checking. Even for Beretta-haters, it ought to be compelling.

(IMO, the PX4 is STILL the best pistol most people have not tried - or will not try - for themselves.)


Im wondering if the delay has to do with the front sight

[Hot Sauce]

Oh boy. I hope this is yet another significant DA pull improvement...


I thought this is built for improving SA, not DA?

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

I thought this is build for improve SA, not DA?

Oh. I could be wrong about this. Has Ernest done a video about the hammer yet? A hammer that improves SA take-up would make more sense.

Edit: he has! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wbk1TW-ytE

I was totally wrong, it's a SA improvement, not DA. Ha ha how does a gun work

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Oops, double post. 0 out of 2 for me this weekend! :(

[medmo]

Looking forward to seeing some feedback with the new match hammer. I dig the spurless, have them installed on both Px4 and 92 platforms, and need to evaluate if it’s worth swapping them out with this one.

[beenalongtime]

Looking forward to seeing some feedback with the new match hammer. I dig the spurless, have them installed on both Px4 and 92 platforms, and need to evaluate if it’s worth swapping them out with this one.

Why would you swap them out?

They are designed for different aspects. The spurless is designed for carry/snag resistance, where the match hammer (which I believe was sold as part of the xtreme s trigger group), is designed for basically competition.
I do wonder if someone couldn't do the same thing, with another part that is sold to reduce the pretravel; the adjustable trigger? (also not listed as match only)

[medmo]

Why would you swap them out?

They are designed for different aspects. The spurless is designed for carry/snag resistance, where the match hammer (which I believe was sold as part of the xtreme s trigger group), is designed for basically competition.
I do wonder if someone couldn't do the same thing, with another part that is sold to reduce the pretravel; the adjustable trigger? (also not listed as match only)

If it gives me even a slight nudge reliably shooting more quickly and accurately by reducing the pre-travel then I’m interested. It could be worth the trade off of slight concealability of a spurless. A spurless with the same reduced pre-travel would be my exact preference.

[beenalongtime]

If it gives me even a slight nudge reliably shooting more quickly and accurately by reducing the pre-travel then I’m interested. It could be worth the trade off of slight concealability of a spurless. A spurless with the same reduced pre-travel would be my exact preference.

I remember you are also a member over at the Beretta forums, and I think you probably saw the most recent post. However, I remember an older post you might not have seen:
https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=148301

[medmo]

I remember you are also a member over at the Beretta forums, and I think you probably saw the most recent post. However, I remember an older post you might not have seen:
https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=148301

No, not a member of the beretta forum but good info. Thanks!

[beenalongtime]

One other thing came to mind, while the email said for the 92 or the PX4, the video, Langdon's website, and Beretta's site, all have this only listed for the 92 series. Seems to me the PX4 listing could be an error.

[BJV]

For those who've been awaiting the release of the Streamlight TLR7 Sub for use on the PX4 Compact, it appears to be available at various establishments. I have one inbound and will provide thoughts on it here once I have some.