The PX4 Compact might be my DA/SA Glock 19

[MasterBlaster]

Just picked up my MOD 0 and a couple of things stand out straight away.

1. The grip might as well be made of ice and covered in lard. Once I'm finished with this post I'm breaking the burner out.



I believe the original grip design, which was later scrapped due to cost overruns, had both sides of the grip layered with over-ripened banana peels. Regardless, it seems Beretta was successful in achieving the near-zero coefficient of friction they were going for.

[sepa]

I tucked the excess material under the panel per the instructions here are some pictures with the excess tucked rather than trimmed.

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Its hard to see, but where the material is tucked under its raised just a bit. I didn't notice it while shooting and it doesn't affect my grip in any way.

When installing the grips, until you heat them the grips are "tacky" instead of really sticky. If you don't like the placement before you apply heat you can pull them off and reapply until you get it right. Take your time getting the left side panel correct and the rest falls into place as you wrap around. I used the Mag release button, the cutout for the beretta logo, and the bottom of the grip as points of reference to line up while placing the left side panel. Once you are happy with the placement apply heat with a blow dryer to lock them into place. The material will tighten up around the texture on the front of the grip once you apply the heat.

These are my first Talon grips and I really like them, they help maintain a positive grip and feel comfortable with a tight grip.

I carry AIWB do you have any experience with these grips against your skin ? thanks

[LangdonTactical]

For those that are on the fence, ROBAR is almost out of Compact Carry PX4s. They have a few of all of the versions in stock including just a couple of MOD 0 guns. Once they are gone, they will be gone for several months it looks like.

If you are waiting to pick one up, don't wait long or they will be gone.

[call_me_ski]

For those that are on the fence, ROBAR is almost out of Compact Carry PX4s. They have a few of all of the versions in stock including just a couple of MOD 0 guns. Once they are gone, they will be gone for several months it looks like.

If you are waiting to pick one up, don't wait long or they will be gone.

Will these guns remain in the Beretta catalogue and be produced in the future?

[LangdonTactical]

Will these guns remain in the Beretta catalogue and be produced in the future?

I believe they plan on making another run of these guns. Not sure when they will be available as that is up to Beretta Italy. I know that Beretta USA does not have any more of them and has placed a small order for some more, not sure when they will be built. Soon I hope.

[spinmove_]

Is AmeriGlo planning making the sights used on the PX4cc available to the general public at some point?

While I'd love to get my hands on a PX4cc, the reality of the matter is that it's just not in the cards right now. But I can definitely afford a base model later and customize it to my liking later. The lack of aftermarket sight options for this pistol kinda sucks.


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[MSparks909]

Is AmeriGlo planning making the sights used on the PX4cc available to the general public at some point?

While I'd love to get my hands on a PX4cc, the reality of the matter is that it's just not in the cards right now. But I can definitely afford a base model later and customize it to my liking later. The lack of aftermarket sight options for this pistol kinda sucks.


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The sights are available. They sell them on Beretta USA's website or you can call Ameriglo and order from them directly.

[SSGN_Doc]

Is AmeriGlo planning making the sights used on the PX4cc available to the general public at some point?

While I'd love to get my hands on a PX4cc, the reality of the matter is that it's just not in the cards right now. But I can definitely afford a base model later and customize it to my liking later. The lack of aftermarket sight options for this pistol kinda sucks.


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The part number for the Ameriglo sights is "BR-432".

[bigslim]

Wifey just got home from a business trip and I showed her the new blaster. The first thing out of her mouth was "is this mine? I like it way better than the other one(clock)" Wifey approved.

Mike

[Crusader8207]

Added the Wilson Combat trigger, feels pretty good. DA pull is a tad heavier but smooth. SA pull has a more definitive "wall" before the break. Haven't got to the range yet with it.

Did a little more work on the WC hammer tonight. I took it back out and polished it a bit. On my Lyman gauge I'm getting a consistent 6# pull. I will get out to the range on Saturday to see how it feels during drills. The SA pull definitely has a more pronounced wall than the stock trigger. So far the trigger feels pretty good during dry practice.

[LangdonTactical]

Did a little more work on the WC hammer tonight. I took it back out and polished it a bit. On my Lyman gauge I'm getting a consistent 6# pull. I will get out to the range on Saturday to see how it feels during drills. The SA pull definitely has a more pronounced wall than the stock trigger. So far the trigger feels pretty good during dry practice.

You should also notice less pre-travel in the trigger.

[Crusader8207]

You should also notice less pre-travel in the trigger.
Ok good to know. Looking forward to hitting the range with it.

[LearnedHat]

You should also notice less pre-travel in the trigger.

This is the Wilson 92 hammer in the Px4? Just confirming before I try something.

[EricM]

One moment I was sorting through my junk mail and flipping through the Bass Pro circular, next thing I knew I was filling out a 4473 and bringing this home...

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/072117/1.jpg

I've never seen any reference before to a PX4 Compact with a gray frame, yet here it is! Pretty good deal too, $450 OTD...on sale for $500, there's a "tax free" promotion going on, then saved $50 paying with discounted gift cards from Raise.com.

[ROLL612]

One moment I was sorting through my junk mail and flipping through the Bass Pro circular, next thing I knew I was filling out a 4473 and bringing this home...

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/072117/1.jpg

I've never seen any reference before to a PX4 Compact with a gray frame, yet here it is! Pretty good deal too, $450 OTD...on sale for $500, there's a "tax free" promotion going on, then saved $50 paying with discounted gift cards from Raise.com.

Nice pickup!

[Crusader8207]

Got to the range this morning before the sweltering heat set in. The Wilson Combat hammer is good to go. The DA pull is smooth as silk and the SA has a light crisp wall and less take up as Mr Langdon described. I did lightly polish the hammer where it contacts the sear as well as the sides prior to install. Mr Langdon's hammer install tutorial on youtube made it a breeze to do the swap.

[Doc_Glock]

Throwing this out there:

I have obtained a PX4 and PX4C and like both. The PX4 came with the adjustable back straps and I have a clear preference for the large one. Try as I might, I can not find a similar kit for sale for the PX4 compact. Can anyone help?

I ordered a bunch of sale mags for the full sized from Beretta. The best deal I can find on compact mags is $32 from Buds. Does anyone know of a better place to look?

Finally: My Compact came with only a left sided slide release, and there appears to be the option for an ambidextrous release, but I can't seem to find that anywhere either. It is not a huge deal since I am used to Glocks, but if I am able to swap it easily it would nice to have. It appease the Full size does not have the option for ambi slide release. Am I correct about this?

Thanks in advance, and I have to say after my first slices of pizza, they seem really addicting.

[beenalongtime]

Enel

The backstraps come with the guns when new. I saw one exception of some old stock law enforcement only guns that were old stock from one store, and not sold with used guns as well. Ebay, Brownell's etc. should be able to get the back straps. (I had to wait a few weeks and backordered the large for my subcompact)
The magazine release is ambidextrous and takes a punch or paper clip to swap from one side to the other. There is not an option for one that sticks out both sides however. Put the punch/clip in the hole and push, and the plunger/pin will push out, but be careful the spring doesn't pop when you let go. There are three different sized mag buttons. Here is a video showing swapping (sides or buttons is the same)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYkCUoCJDPU

[Doc_Glock]

Enel

The backstraps come with the guns when new. I saw one exception of some old stock law enforcement only guns that were old stock from one store, and not sold with used guns as well. Ebay, Brownell's etc. should be able to get the back straps. (I had to wait a few weeks and backordered the large for my subcompact)
The magazine release is ambidextrous and takes a punch or paper clip to swap from one side to the other. There is not an option for one that sticks out both sides however. Put the punch/clip in the hole and push, and the plunger/pin will push out, but be careful the spring doesn't pop when you let go. There are three different sized mag buttons. Here is a video showing swapping (sides or buttons is the same)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYkCUoCJDPU

Thank you! Perhaps my back straps fell out at Bud's or the LGS? It is definitely new. And thanks for clearing up my misconception that there is a simultaneous ambi slide stop option.

[beenalongtime]

Thank you! Perhaps my back straps fell out at Bud's or the LGS? It is definitely new. And thanks for clearing up my misconception that there is a simultaneous ambi slide stop option.

Since it is new, I would contact Beretta and let them know they were missing.

[EricM]

Thank you! Perhaps my back straps fell out at Bud's or the LGS? It is definitely new. And thanks for clearing up my misconception that there is a simultaneous ambi slide stop option.

There is a simultaneous ambi slide stop option for the Compact, AFAIK that is the standard part except on the PX4CC, which comes with the low profile (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5B808) lever on the left side only. (beenalongtime was saying there is not a simultaneous option for the mag release, which is correct.) Here's the left side (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D235) and right side (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D234) slide catch levers for the Compact. I do not know whether the low profile left side lever can mate with the standard right side lever, from the pics I'm guessing not?

MGW also has the large backstrap (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D445) in stock for the Compact.

[beenalongtime]

There is a simultaneous ambi slide stop option for the Compact, AFAIK that is the standard part except on the PX4CC, which comes with the low profile (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5B808) lever on the left side only. (beenalongtime was saying there is not a simultaneous option for the mag release, which is correct.) Here's the left side (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D235) and right side (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D234) slide catch levers for the Compact. I do not know whether the low profile left side lever can mate with the standard right side lever, from the pics I'm guessing not?

MGW also has the large backstrap (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D445) in stock for the Compact.

I should probably have read that later, after looking at some HK's that a friend of mine asked me about. (he is having medical issues, causing him to shoot more left handed and liked the HK's due to their dual nature)
I focused on the mag release, as that was one of his issues. Reading comp, evidently not good today.:rolleyes:
Sorry.

[Bigghoss]

Ran 150 rounds of Winchester steel cased ammo through the PX4 after installing the WC 12# hammer spring and no issues. Have a low-pro slide release and right-side slide release hole plug (or a slide release delete if you will for the right side), the 92-style safety levers, and the mag release kit ordered along with a couple mags and an holster.

[DallasBronco]

One moment I was sorting through my junk mail and flipping through the Bass Pro circular, next thing I knew I was filling out a 4473 and bringing this home...

I've never seen any reference before to a PX4 Compact with a gray frame, yet here it is! Pretty good deal too, $450 OTD...on sale for $500, there's a "tax free" promotion going on, then saved $50 paying with discounted gift cards from Raise.com.

Thanks for the heads up about this. I picked one up today.

[Rex G]

The outer rear corner of a G19 slide being my concealment nemesis, the more-rounded PX4 now has my attention. Sigh. I really do not need to be adding another pistol system! Well, perhaps...

I had paid little attention to the PX4 pistols, because it was not authorized by my employer for duty pistol use, but now that retirement is imminent, I am taking a fresh look at several pistol systems.

[DAB]

The outer rear corner of a G19 slide being my concealment nemesis, the more-rounded PX4 now has my attention. Sigh. I really do not need to be adding another pistol system! Well, perhaps...

I had paid little attention to the PX4 pistols, because it was not authorized by my employer for duty pistol use, but now that retirement is imminent, I am taking a fresh look at several pistol systems.

no point dying rich, or with space in your vault. :) the Px4 really is an under appreciated pistol. go shoot one.

[Doc_Glock]

The outer rear corner of a G19 slide being my concealment nemesis, the more-rounded PX4 now has my attention. Sigh. I really do not need to be adding another pistol system! Well, perhaps...

I had paid little attention to the PX4 pistols, because it was not authorized by my employer for duty pistol use, but now that retirement is imminent, I am taking a fresh look at several pistol systems.

I had not looked at one much either. But after getting one I think is incredibly under rated. Assuming it is reliable, I will strongly consider carrying it.

In the two PX4 models I have. The stock triggers are outstanding. Better than a Sig 226 Legion, Springfield RO 1911s, and Cajunized CZ 75.

[YVK]

The outer rear corner of a G19 slide being my concealment nemesis, the more-rounded PX4 now has my attention.

I have the same problem with Glocks. Stand by for pics of PX4cc MOD-YVK. Coming soon.

[LangdonTactical]

I just noticed that this thread has surpassed the 400K views mark. I am pretty sure that may make it the most read thread on this forum of all time. Can anyone confirm?

[GJM]

I just noticed that this thread has surpassed the 400K views mark. I am pretty sure that may make it the most read thread on this forum of all time. Can anyone confirm?

The shootings in the news thread, in GD, has 434k or so views, but I would say this is the most read important thread.

[Erik]

I'd call it the most expensive thread...

[LearnedHat]

I just noticed that this thread has surpassed the 400K views mark. I am pretty sure that may make it the most read thread on this forum of all time. Can anyone confirm?

It's probably close enough to tell Mr. Franco Gussalli Beretta that it is.

[Doc_Glock]

Follow up: I contacted Beretta about the missing grip inserts in my PX4C. They are sending some out gratis even though I suspect they fell out at Buds or my LGS. Above and beyond imo

They also recommend Brownells as the official purveyor of Beretta parts. Which is good to know because I thought I needed to get them from Beretta directly.

[SSGN_Doc]

Follow up: I contacted Beretta about the missing grip inserts in my PX4C. They are sending some out gratis even though I suspect they fell out at Buds or my LGS. Above and beyond imo

They also recommend Brownells as the official purveyor of Beretta parts. Which is good to know because I thought I needed to get them from Beretta directly.

I've had good luck with Beretta, and Brownell's, but also found that Midwest Gun Works had some parts in stock when the other two were sold out.

[Bigghoss]

I just noticed that this thread has surpassed the 400K views mark. I am pretty sure that may make it the most read thread on this forum of all time. Can anyone confirm?

I don't know but I think Beretta owes you a commission.

[MSparks909]

Hit 5,000 rounds tonight with gun #2. Just keeps running and running...added some oil tonight and am gonna keep on shooting. Hasn't been cleaned in almost 3,000 rounds. Gun doesn't seem to care. By far my favorite Beretta model in my safe.

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[Bigghoss]

Just installed the low profile left-side slide release lever and right side delete. Waiting for UPS to bring the 92-style safety levers and mag release kit. Phone wouldn't focus on the gun but you get the idea.

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[MSparks909]

Just a wee bit dirty ;)

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[beenalongtime]

By far my favorite Beretta model in my

More interested in what is your favorite model out of your safe, not a safe queen.:p

Too many other expenses right now, but I keep thinking about either a full size, or getting an Inox version.

[GJM]

My sense is they will tolerate a lot of dirt, but need to be run wet.

The Compact is amazing in that it is about P30SK in size, but shoots as well or better than many full size service pistols.

[MSparks909]

My sense is they will tolerate a lot of dirt, but need to be run wet.

The Compact is amazing in that it is about P30SK in size, but shoots as well or better than many full size service pistols.

Prior to the pics I posted tonight I hadn't lubed it in ~1600 rounds. Was getting a little dry so I applied some before the practice session. I bet I could make it to 3,000 without issue. But why bother? I might not clean mine often but I do make sure to lubricate them if necessary. What I would really like to see is how it runs when exposed to some...elements. Not sure how the rotating barrel would fare when exposed to dirt, sand, etc.

[LockedBreech]

My sense is they will tolerate a lot of dirt, but need to be run wet.



Correct in my experience. I keep the lug and lug channel on my PX4 fullsize well greased with TW-25B, and it doesn't blink when it gets grimy.


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[LangdonTactical]

Prior to the pics I posted tonight I hadn't lubed it in ~1600 rounds. Was getting a little dry so I applied some before the practice session. I bet I could make it to 3,000 without issue. But why bother? I might not clean mine often but I do make sure to lubricate them if necessary. What I would really like to see is how it runs when exposed to some...elements. Not sure how the rotating barrel would fare when exposed to dirt, sand, etc.

I tend to agree with you about the sand and dirt thing. Not sure how to really test that in a fair way. My guns get exposed to a fair amount of sand out here in AZ with this enviroment, but not an over the beach kind of exposure, i.e. sand dumped on the gun.

For most people that should not really be an issue unless you plan on doing beach assaults. There is a reason that military holsters had a flap that covered the gun for most of the history of handguns. Only recently did they get away from that design.

That said, many guns have issues there. Just depends on where the sand and dirt gets. If it gets into the locking mechanism of any gun, you will likely have issues until you get some of that gunk out of the gun. Glocks, for example, can have issues with sand getting up through that hole behind the magazine well. That leads straight to the firing mechanism and can cause all kind of issues there. The reason almost everyone runs some kind of plug in that spot.

[MSparks909]

I'm mainly curious because I typically always carry a handgun on my person when I hunt, and when I duck hunt (90% of my hunting), I carry it in the front pouch of my chest waders. And it never fails that I top my waders at least 2-3 times a season. Just happens. And when it does, everything gets soaked/submerged. Sometimes it's silty swamp water or sometimes it's in a salt marsh on the backside of the Outerbanks. I might try testing one of my PX4s in some silty water to see how it works. That's about the only time I could see dunking my gun.

FWIW, my Beretta A400 Xtreme has been dunked/dropped in the water several times...and it's never failed to fire even when mucky swamp water in its action. I expect the same for whatever pistol I carry. This might be the one instance where I'll choose to carry a Glock over a Beretta, only for the fact that it's SO easy to detail strip, which is important, especially if it gets dunked in salt water.

[STI]

Anyone pick one up from the $399 GunsMidwest listing that was brought up on 5/21? (post 2240)

[psalms144.1]

That said, many guns have issues there. Just depends on where the sand and dirt gets. If it gets into the locking mechanism of any gun, you will likely have issues until you get some of that gunk out of the gun. Glocks, for example, can have issues with sand getting up through that hole behind the magazine well. That leads straight to the firing mechanism and can cause all kind of issues there. The reason almost everyone runs some kind of plug in that spot.I've had the misfortune of dumping my G19 into the beach-sand berm at my local PD range once. Even with a plug, enough sand got into it that it was deadlined. Sand between the trigger bar and connector is a bad thing. Sand jamming into the guts of the RSA is a bad thing.

Having said all that, I agree that the number of folks who have to worry about that particular issue are probably very few...

[LangdonTactical]

I've had the misfortune of dumping my G19 into the beach-sand berm at my local PD range once. Even with a plug, enough sand got into it that it was deadlined. Sand between the trigger bar and connector is a bad thing. Sand jamming into the guts of the RSA is a bad thing.

Having said all that, I agree that the number of folks who have to worry about that particular issue are probably very few...

Well put and exactly the point. To much sand with shut down any gun. Thanks for the feedback.

[AdioSS]

I found you are worried about the gun jambing then it might not be a bad idea to keep a higher strength hammer spring installed.

[Dagga Boy]

One of the big draws to the guns that have been through Robar is that the NP3 treatment is a huge help on the lubrication side. It makes the gun basically always wet and having actual lubrication on them is a bonus.

[Buckshot]

I'm at about 90 plus days of running the PX4CC as my primary. It is usually carried concealed & exposed to a lot of high pH sweat. I can rust anything! I noticed about a month ago that my mag release was getting stiff & gritty. Popped the release out & found a healthy amount of brown muck on the mag release spring and in it's well. Cleaned it up & put a little oil on it - prob solved. Couple weeks later & the same symptoms developed. This time I used grease & ordered a couple replacements from Brownells (that I'm still waiting on). I've kept pretty close attention to this thread but I missed it if anyone else has encountered the same problem.

[LangdonTactical]

I'm at about 90 plus days of running the PX4CC as my primary. It is usually carried concealed & exposed to a lot of high pH sweat. I can rust anything! I noticed about a month ago that my mag release was getting stiff & gritty. Popped the release out & found a healthy amount of brown muck on the mag release spring and in it's well. Cleaned it up & put a little oil on it - prob solved. Couple weeks later & the same symptoms developed. This time I used grease & ordered a couple replacements from Brownells (that I'm still waiting on). I've kept pretty close attention to this thread but I missed it if anyone else has encountered the same problem.

Noticed it a little when I detail cleaned the full-size gun at 20K. I have sweat on the gun quite a bit as well. Something that I would be interested to know if anyone else has this issue.

[MSparks909]

Does NP3 work if applied to springs?

[LangdonTactical]

Does NP3 work if applied to springs?

That is a good question. I do know that ROBAR does not NP3 the springs as policy. I believe they are concerned about the temperature affecting the spring. I have seen coated springs, for example, the hammer spring on the PX4CC has been DLC or Chrome plated.

[LangdonTactical]

I'm at about 90 plus days of running the PX4CC as my primary. It is usually carried concealed & exposed to a lot of high pH sweat. I can rust anything! I noticed about a month ago that my mag release was getting stiff & gritty. Popped the release out & found a healthy amount of brown muck on the mag release spring and in it's well. Cleaned it up & put a little oil on it - prob solved. Couple weeks later & the same symptoms developed. This time I used grease & ordered a couple replacements from Brownells (that I'm still waiting on). I've kept pretty close attention to this thread but I missed it if anyone else has encountered the same problem.

So I did a little digging, as I thought this was the case. I remember that almost every spring, maybe every spring, is coated on the PX4 SD models. So, turns out all of these springs, or at least most of them can be purchased.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/magazine-release-parts/magazine-release-springs/spring-mag-release-sd-prod28619.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Beretta&avs%7cManufacturer_1=BERETTA%2bUSA

This should be the same magazine button spring on all the guns, and this one is coated to prevent corrosion.

[SSGN_Doc]

So I did a little digging, as I thought this was the case. I remember that almost every spring, maybe every spring, is coated on the PX4 SD models. So, turns out all of these springs, or at least most of them can be purchased.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/magazine-release-parts/magazine-release-springs/spring-mag-release-sd-prod28619.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Beretta&avs%7cManufacturer_1=BERETTA%2bUSA

This should be the same magazine button spring on all the guns, and this one is coated to prevent corrosion.

Beretta USA offers their "Special Duty Spring Kit" for the Px4 for $29. It has nickel plated version of all of the springs in it.

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-special-duty-spring-kit/e00859/

[Steve m]

Anyone making a good OWB kydex holster for the PX4 CC yet. I am currently running Gen4-g19s. I use a mix of raven concealement and X concealement for OWB and JM custom for AWB.

[MSparks909]

I know JM has some OWB holsters for it. Have you looked at any of those?

[Steve m]

Ill do that thanks MS.

[DAB]

50% off Px4 full size magazines ($18 after discount), and free t-shirt if you get more than $60 of mags.

smoking deal!

can never have too many mags!

edit: link- http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-px4-magazine-9mm-15-17-20-rds/jm4px917/

[CoGT3]

I know JM has some OWB holsters for it. Have you looked at any of those?

Did someone say JMCK OWB1 for PX4?

I have 3, black is 10 degree cant for CC, grey is 0 degree built for both FS and CC, and last is 0 degree for FS with X300.

Use black for carry when not insanely hot in FL. Conceals almost as well as my IWB and more comfortable. IWB conceals better when wearing featherweight shirts in the summer.

Combo was bought to go on my main practice built. Great for switching between the CC and FS at the range or dry fire. Light bearing is mostly to safely hold the FS with X300 when loaded in the safe for bedroom duty.

Also have OWBs for HK USPs and WC Brig Tact. They all for great, have a flat profile for OWB holsters, are easy to adjust retention.

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[SSGN_Doc]

50% off Px4 full size magazines ($18 after discount), and free t-shirt if you get more than $60 of mags.

smoking deal!

can never have too many mags!

edit: link- http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-px4-magazine-9mm-15-17-20-rds/jm4px917/

I just bought some two weeks ago at 40% off and got an older more dated t-shirt. Should have been patient I guess. Thanks for the heads-up.

[LearnedHat]

I just bought some two weeks ago at 40% off and got an older more dated t-shirt. Should have been patient I guess. Thanks for the heads-up.

I picked up a couple - not tax, no shipping - just $36 for two mags.

[DAB]

Four here for about $75, and a free shirt. Woot.

[LockedBreech]

Dang, I wish I hadn't just restocked on PX4 magazines, that's a great deal. Basically BOGO.

[Doc_Glock]

I stocked up at 40%, but need compact mags now.

[DerekO]

Beretta USA offers their "Special Duty Spring Kit" for the Px4 for $29. It has nickel plated version of all of the springs in it.

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-special-duty-spring-kit/e00859/

Would all these fit in the Mod4... and would any of them interfere with the Mod4 EL trigger job?

[LearnedHat]

Would all these fit in the Mod4... and would any of them interfere with the Mod4 EL trigger job?

I'm not sure what's in the kit but o would think that you don't want to replace the WC hammer spring with the original even if it is coated.

[SSGN_Doc]

I'm not sure what's in the kit but o would think that you don't want to replace the WC hammer spring with the original even if it is coated.

Agree with that.

[SSGN_Doc]

If Beretta decides to either make the Langdon Px4 CC a limited edition or if they decided to diversify the compact carry line, I think a Px4 Compact Basic Carry model would be a good option to add to the line, straight from the factory. It could include the basic factory parts already installed, to include the Stealth levers, and Cougar D hammer spring, either basic night sights or fiber optic sights and the Talon grip. This would basically be all factory parts and finish. It would keep cost down and still showcase the best of the factory parts for carry.

[SSGN_Doc]

Agree with that.

And to add, the kit includes:

Sear Spring
Trigger Spring
Disassembly Spring
Slide catch spring
Backstrap retention spring
Transfer bar spring
Hammer Spring
Mag Release spring
And it says Hammer pin spring (but I think they mean firing pin spring)

[LangdonTactical]

And to add, the kit includes:

Sear Spring
Trigger Spring
Disassembly Spring
Slide catch spring
Backstrap retention spring
Transfer bar spring
Hammer Spring
Mag Release spring
And it says Hammer pin spring (but I think they mean firing pin spring)


It could be the spring that retains the hammer pin into the trigger group. I don't know. I do know that that spring is coated on the Competition Trigger pack, but not on the standard gun.

[somebeach]

Can anyone give a link or the exact part number for the Wilson combat hammer spring ? Is it the 12# 92/96 spring ? Beretta list the D spring as out of stock.

[SSGN_Doc]

It could be the spring that retains the hammer pin into the trigger group. I don't know. I do know that that spring is coated on the Competition Trigger pack, but not on the standard gun.

If it is the kind of zig zag spring the has to be pushed down to get the pin to come out that holds the trigger group in I think they are calling that one the sear spring, but I could be wrong.

[SSGN_Doc]

Can anyone give a link or the exact part number for the Wilson combat hammer spring ? Is it the 12# 92/96 spring ? Beretta list the D spring as out of stock.

721CS-12 is the Wilson part number. Link below:

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-Combat-Hammer-Spring-Chrome-Silicon-12-Beretta-92_96/productinfo/721CS-12/

[somebeach]

Thanks Doc. One more...where do I find a slide stop frame plug ?

[DAB]

Thanks Doc. One more...where do I find a slide stop frame plug ?

Brownells

[SSGN_Doc]

Thanks Doc. One more...where do I find a slide stop frame plug ?

Brownell's was out when I looked for mine. I located one at Midwest Gun Works. just so you have a back-up.

http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/beretta-px4-parts/C5D351

[Bigghoss]

I got mine from Midwest gun works along with a left-side low profile slide release. I'm very pleased with both.

[Doc_Glock]

If anyone knows a source for Stealth levers I would appreciate a link. I can't seem to find them anywhere. Beretta USA is out.

[SSGN_Doc]

If anyone knows a source for Stealth levers I would appreciate a link. I can't seem to find them anywhere. Beretta USA is out.

I haven't been able to locate any either as I was considering a set for my full size.

[Doc_Glock]

Have we talked about rear sight adjustment in this thread? Because it is darn near impossible. Mine needs a slight tap left to zero perfectly at 25 yds. No dice. Nothing I do can move this sight. Is there some sort of set screw I am not seeing?

[Willard]

50% off Px4 full size magazines ($18 after discount), and free t-shirt if you get more than $60 of mags.

smoking deal!

can never have too many mags!


edit: link- http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-px4-magazine-9mm-15-17-20-rds/jm4px917/

Thanks. Don't think I got a T-Shirt, but after sales tax and free shipping still less than $200 for 10. Pretty good deal.

[DAB]

More $$$$ for ammo!

[Willard]

Does anyone know if the NP3 coated Robar Beretta Compacts are slide and barrel coating only, or is there anything in the chassis that gets NP3? According to other posts this thread, the springs don't, polymer frame wouldn't, but am I missing something? Maybe locking block or rails? Thanks.

[SSGN_Doc]

Have we talked about rear sight adjustment in this thread? Because it is darn near impossible. Mine needs a slight tap left to zero perfectly at 25 yds. No dice. Nothing I do can move this sight. Is there some sort of set screw I am not seeing?

I could not budge my sights (Stock Px4C, non-CC) inorder to install the Ameriglo sights. I couldn't budge them with a sight removal tool, and I began beating the sights harder than /i felt comfortable doing without damaging the slide. I ended up taking it to a gunsmith, who used a bigger vice and hammer. Looking at the underside of the original sights, it would appear they use a pretty hefty locking compound at the Beretta Factory.

[FrankB]

Have we talked about rear sight adjustment in this thread? Because it is darn near impossible. Mine needs a slight tap left to zero perfectly at 25 yds. No dice. Nothing I do can move this sight. Is there some sort of set screw I am not seeing?

I thought M&P sights were tight, and then I tried to move the PX4 rear sight. I torqued my cheapo sight pusher until it bent, and then I used a Dremel cutoff wheel. I didn't go all the way through, but cutting a groove 75% of the way through allowed me to push it out. I called Beretta, and they sent another sight at no cost. I fitted that sight so it could be installed without a hydraulic press. It wasn't a quick solution, but Beretta sent the new sight out very quickly.

[MSparks909]

Used a MGW Sight Pro to swap the rear sights out on my CCs. I'm pretty confident with a hammer and punch but no way I would try my PX4s or the staked Brig Tac front sights.

[Doc_Glock]

Used a MGW Sight Pro to swap the rear sights out on my CCs. I'm pretty confident with a hammer and punch but no way I would try my PX4s or the staked Brig Tac front sights.

I got the slide very stable in a vise and hit it with a pretty darn big hammer. Zero budging. I'll live with it.

[holmes168]

I got the slide very stable in a vise and hit it with a pretty darn big hammer. Zero budging. I'll live with it.

Is there anything you don't hit with a hammer?;)

[SSGN_Doc]

I did get around to stippling my grip finally. I found I like to leave the heel of polymer grips "natural" to allow clothing to slip over the butt a bit easier and avoid printing. I also think the factory checkering on the front and back straps is pretty functional for traction. But the side panels definitely benefit form added traction.

https://image.ibb.co/cPB6Ek/IMG_3482.jpg

[Greg]

Looks good!

[Greg]

I got the slide very stable in a vise and hit it with a pretty darn big hammer. Zero budging. I'll live with it.

You need to change Site Supporter to "The Hammer"

[Hot Sauce]

If Beretta decides to either make the Langdon Px4 CC a limited edition or if they decided to diversify the compact carry line, I think a Px4 Compact Basic Carry model would be a good option to add to the line, straight from the factory. It could include the basic factory parts already installed, to include the Stealth levers, and Cougar D hammer spring, either basic night sights or fiber optic sights and the Talon grip. This would basically be all factory parts and finish. It would keep cost down and still showcase the best of the factory parts for carry.This would be a fantastic option, and relatively easy logistically for Beretta, I would think. If it had all the low profile stuff, I'd mount Ameriglo sights and stipple, and call it good for carry. And I say that as someone who has a Mod 3.

[LangdonTactical]

Does anyone know if the NP3 coated Robar Beretta Compacts are slide and barrel coating only, or is there anything in the chassis that gets NP3? According to other posts this thread, the springs don't, polymer frame wouldn't, but am I missing something? Maybe locking block or rails? Thanks.

You would need to be more specific in your question. Robar will do pretty much what ever you want to your PX4 Compact. If you are talking about the MOD 4 and MOD 5 guns, there are specific parts that are NP3 coated. Barrel, Barrel Cam, Sear, Sear Pin, Trigger Pin, Trigger Bar, Hammer Pin, Hammer Strut and all three magazines are coated with NP3 on the MOD 4 and MOD 5 guns.

Hope this helps.

[Willard]

You would need to be more specific in your question. Robar will do pretty much what ever you want to your PX4 Compact. If you are talking about the MOD 4 and MOD 5 guns, there are specific parts that are NP3 coated. Barrel, Barrel Cam, Sear, Sear Pin, Trigger Pin, Trigger Bar, Hammer Pin, Hammer Strut and all three magazines are coated with NP3 on the MOD 4 and MOD 5 guns.

Hope this helps.

Just what I was looking for. Thank you.

[SSGN_Doc]

This would be a fantastic option, and relatively easy logistically for Beretta, I would think. If it had all the low profile stuff, I'd mount Ameriglo sights and stipple, and call it good for carry. And I say that as someone who has a Mod 3.

Pretty much where I'm at with my compact that I have modified up to this exact point. I may decide on a coating once I wear out the factory finish. Could go NP3 or may see about Nitriding/Melonite. But I have some time to figure that out.

[Buckshot]

So I did a little digging, as I thought this was the case. I remember that almost every spring, maybe every spring, is coated on the PX4 SD models. So, turns out all of these springs, or at least most of them can be purchased.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/magazine-release-parts/magazine-release-springs/spring-mag-release-sd-prod28619.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Beretta&avs%7cManufacturer_1=BERETTA%2bUSA

This should be the same magazine button spring on all the guns, and this one is coated to prevent corrosion.

Thank you, Ernest! Hadn't spotted that part. Ordered & enroute. Have not seen any other corrosion issues on either of mine.

[HCM]

Is anyone else running the Large grip insert ?

[jws]

I currently have the large backstrap on. I've been going back and forth between the large and medium but I think I will probably settle on the large one. In dry fire my trigger press seems more steady with the large backstrap but I need to do some live fire to know for sure.

[EricM]

So I did a little digging, as I thought this was the case. I remember that almost every spring, maybe every spring, is coated on the PX4 SD models. So, turns out all of these springs, or at least most of them can be purchased.

http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/magazine-release-parts/magazine-release-springs/spring-mag-release-sd-prod28619.aspx?avs%7cMake_3=Beretta&avs%7cManufacturer_1=BERETTA%2bUSA

This should be the same magazine button spring on all the guns, and this one is coated to prevent corrosion.

After seeing this post, I purchased one from MGW. Interestingly, it is noticeably shorter than the stock spring. I don't think mine is an anomaly, as now that I look at it MGW's pics seem to confirm the SD spring (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C90416) being shorter than the standard spring (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C90339). Wire diameter appears identical...I measured the coated spring at 0.02mm thicker with calipers. I used a Lyman digital trigger pull gauge to compare the spring pressure required to release a mag, and the original spring took about 6.5 lbs of force while the SD spring took 5 lbs. Personally, I'm really happy with the new spring for training and competition because the PX4 mag release seemed quite stiff to me compared to what I'm accustomed to. That said I'll probably stick with the original for carry out of an abundance of caution.

As a side note, when swapping the springs I also took a moment to take a file to the checkering on the outer edge of the extended mag release. Was quite sharp before, so much better now!

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/080317/s.jpg

[beenalongtime]

Is anyone else running the Large grip insert ?


I do and I find it is more comfortable then the medium. However I was getting hammer bite with either, so I would recommend trying it first, but I put on the LT hammer.

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

Is anyone else running the Large grip insert ?

I am. It's still not quite big enough for me but the best of the three.

[That Guy]

50% off Px4 full size magazines ($18 after discount)

And in the meantime, I am having trouble getting magazines for less than ~$80 each.

Quite aggravating.

But hey, hopefully you guys stocked up with cheap magazines. You can never have too many!

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[Kanye Wyoming]

And in the meantime, I am having trouble getting magazines for less than ~$80 each.
Not sure if they ship to undisclosed third world countries, or enen to disclosed third world countries, but 37.99 at Midway.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/467505/beretta-magazine-beretta-px4-storm-compact-9mm-steel-blue?cm_mmc=se_service-_-shippingconf-_-shippingconf-_-ProductShippedTodayLink

[That Guy]

Unfortunately Midway no longer ships to any other countries than USA.

(And those were compact magazines. My pistol is a full size. :) )

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[LangdonTactical]

Sorry for the delay. I just saw your post today. This thread is currently #4, but is currently the most active technical thread by a wide margin at ~565 views per day since the thread started.

Here are the top 7 most viewed threads:

1. AIWB (Appendix Carry) (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?120-AIWB-(Appendix-Carry)): 737,842 views, ~314 per day
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3. Shooting incidents in the news. (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3346-Shooting-incidents-in-the-news): 450,058 views, ~227 views per day
4. The PX4 Compact might be my DA/SA Glock 19 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19): 429,492 views, ~565 views per day
5. The Gadget REVEALED (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?712-The-Gadget-REVEALED): 408,288 views, ~177 views per day
6. Beretta 1301 Tactical (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical): 384,835 views, ~282 views per day
7. Beretta 92 FS Compact (and general Beretta love lately) (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?7408-Beretta-92-FS-Compact-(and-general-Beretta-love-lately)): 364,358 views, ~228 views per day


Thanks Tom, that is very interesting.

[LangdonTactical]

After seeing this post, I purchased one from MGW. Interestingly, it is noticeably shorter than the stock spring. I don't think mine is an anomaly, as now that I look at it MGW's pics seem to confirm the SD spring (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C90416) being shorter than the standard spring (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C90339). Wire diameter appears identical...I measured the coated spring at 0.02mm thicker with calipers. I used a Lyman digital trigger pull gauge to compare the spring pressure required to release a mag, and the original spring took about 6.5 lbs of force while the SD spring took 5 lbs. Personally, I'm really happy with the new spring for training and competition because the PX4 mag release seemed quite stiff to me compared to what I'm accustomed to. That said I'll probably stick with the original for carry out of an abundance of caution.

As a side note, when swapping the springs I also took a moment to take a file to the checkering on the outer edge of the extended mag release. Was quite sharp before, so much better now!

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/080317/s.jpg

That is very interesting. Thanks for posting this information.

[LangdonTactical]

Is anyone else running the Large grip insert ?

I am running the large now. I went back and forth between the medium and the larger for a while on the compact. Now I am just running the large.

[HCM]

I am running the large now. I went back and forth between the medium and the larger for a while on the compact. Now I am just running the large.

I was getting some lateral movement when shooting at speed with the Meduim. The large seems to alleviate this in dry fire. We'll see how it works out in live fire.

[LangdonTactical]

You are very welcome. FWIW, your M9 thread is relatively new and only has ~25K views, but it's averaging ~1074 views per day. :)

:D

[somebeach]

Ran 350 rounds through my px4 today after installing my stealth controls. Really liking the the safety delete. But I put the original slide stop lever back on without the right side lever. Got a plug for the right side being delivered Monday. Will this cause any problems ? I know that two levers connect in the middle. I see no way the left side could work itself out or bind in any way. Just wondering if anyone else has deleted the right side lever & keep the standard left ? 18777

[Colt191145lover]

Works just fine. I dident like the smaller stealth slide stop so I kept the original on my two PX4 compacts.

[Bigghoss]

I deleted my right side slide lock lever but I can't remember if I've shot it yet. I'm going to put on my FS-style safety levers and take it to the range tomorrow. I'm pretty sure the levers are held in by protrusions on the levers that catch on the frame. It doesn't look like one lever has anything to do with retaining the other so there shouldn't be any issues.

Scratch that. I wash changing the safety levers on my kitchen counter and I dropped the pin that holds the safety levers together into the very full garbage can which means carefully removing and checking every single piece of garbage looking for it. I'm just going to order another which means I won't be shooting the PX4 tomorrow.

[Bigghoss]

After some effort and bringing great shame upon my family I was able to locate the pin that holds the safety levers together. Then after I reassembled the gun I realized I didn't like how far the right-side lever protruded. The left side didn't bother me as much since I'm a righty and the safety is really easy to manipulate with the 92-style levers. So I took the factory right side lever and made my own stealth lever with a Dremel and colored it with a Sharpie to make it look slightly less haggard for the time being. Very pleased with the results.

https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20621000_10155317902840219_2236850277595981915_n.j pg?oh=40d9846152d8e6631b35df57ad238132&oe=59F65BDF
https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20638368_10155317902980219_4188319237865261586_n.j pg?oh=6a792c1438bce6e804d7d1be033f8cfb&oe=5A30BE6F

[busykngt]

What sights are those[emoji780]
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[Bigghoss]

Factory sights with the rear dots filled in and the front sight painted orange. I plan on upgrading the sights soon.

[Dagga Boy]

Had to post this....I haven't been to the range in over a month. Walked out today and shot this test cold as my first drill of the day to see what I needed to fix. While shot one went low in the 9, and I let one go before the sights settled for a high one...the 7 X's made me very happy. Thanks to Ernest and Freddie at the Robar crew. Also shot a 291 Vickers 300. Good day with my psychologist.

[spinmove_]

Had to post this....I haven't been to the range in over a month. Walked out today and shot this test cold as my first drill of the day to see what I needed to fix. While shot one went low in the 9, and I let one go before the sights settled for a high one...the 7 X's made me very happy. Thanks to Ernest and Freddie at the Robar crew. Also shot a 291 Vickers 300. Good day with my psychologist.

Damn. That's literally all I can say to that. That's some fine shooting cold.


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[GJM]

Only thing you need to "fix" is that timer -- what did you do, find it in a box of old eight track tapes.

[Dagga Boy]

Only thing you need to "fix" is that timer -- what did you do, find it in a box of old eight track tapes.

That is the Beretta timer. If I was shooting an HK I would have laid the Rolex next to the target. What is funnyis that when it comes to the 8 tracks of timers, Dobbs is a legend among high speed shooting dudes.

[GJM]

Light switch moment this evening for me with the PX4 Compact and longer range steel. I sensed this before, but absolutely confirmed it to my satisfaction just now, shooting eight inch steel in the 50-80 yard envelope. I find it way easier to hit those targets shooting double action, and am nearly one for one DA, which is amazing to me given how short the sight radius is. (The trade off to that nice sloped rear part of the slide, that conceals so well, is less sight radius.). This works well enough, that it is worthwhile for me to decock when shooting successive targets in that range envelope. Try it and see what you think.

[LangdonTactical]

Light switch moment this evening for me with the PX4 Compact and longer range steel. I sensed this before, but absolutely confirmed it to my satisfaction just now, shooting eight inch steel in the 50-80 yard envelope. I find it way easier to hit those targets shooting double action, and am nearly one for one DA, which is amazing to me given how short the sight radius is. (The trade off to that nice sloped rear part of the slide, that conceals so well, is less sight radius.). This works well enough, that it is worthwhile for me to decock when shooting successive targets in that range envelope. Try it and see what you think.

Yeah, if I want to shoot groups with my PX4s, I will just decock for every shot. It is almost a guarantee I will shoot a better group in all Double than I will Single Action.

[LangdonTactical]

Had to post this....I haven't been to the range in over a month. Walked out today and shot this test cold as my first drill of the day to see what I needed to fix. While shot one went low in the 9, and I let one go before the sights settled for a high one...the 7 X's made me very happy. Thanks to Ernest and Freddie at the Robar crew. Also shot a 291 Vickers 300. Good day with my psychologist.

Nice work sir!

[Willard]

I find it way easier to hit those targets shooting double action, and am nearly one for one DA, which is amazing to me given how short the sight radius is. (The trade off to that nice sloped rear part of the slide, that conceals so well, is less sight radius.). This works well enough, that it is worthwhile for me to decock when shooting successive targets in that range envelope. Try it and see what you think.


Yeah, if I want to shoot groups with my PX4s, I will just decock for every shot. It is almost a guarantee I will shoot a better group in all Double than I will Single Action.

This seems to suggest a DAO version would be worth exploring.

[Jared]

This seems to suggest a DAO version would be worth exploring.

They did make some D models years ago, but I haven't seen one in the wild. Did see a full sized C a couple years ago.

[GJM]

This seems to suggest a DAO version would be worth exploring.

Not for me, as it would take the Ferrari mode away, which is so helpful shooting closer and larger tagets.

[ranger]

Well, I am not a Beretta fan or a TDA fan but I have been watching this PX4 Compact thread with interest. Then I checked the local "outdoor trader" used gun ads and found this for a REALLY nice price and it came home with me. Previous owner already made most of the suggested mods, extra mags, IWB holster and mag pouch. Talon grip on order. Made a quick run to the range and it shot very, very well. Like many have stated - surprisingly low recoil. Very accurate. Ran with no issues with FM American Steel 115, some other steel case 115 fmj, plus my 124 Bayou WSF reloads. - about 200 rounds total on first outing. No issues running the 8 inch plate rack at 25 yards like it was a full size duty pistol.

18847

[imp1295]

Light switch moment this evening for me with the PX4 Compact and longer range steel. I sensed this before, but absolutely confirmed it to my satisfaction just now, shooting eight inch steel in the 50-80 yard envelope. I find it way easier to hit those targets shooting double action, and am nearly one for one DA, which is amazing to me given how short the sight radius is. (The trade off to that nice sloped rear part of the slide, that conceals so well, is less sight radius.). This works well enough, that it is worthwhile for me to decock when shooting successive targets in that range envelope. Try it and see what you think.

Frustratingly realized this today with my modest practice. Not even close to the ranges you are working at. Just in general, I'm more consistent in DA than in SA. Crazy...

[Doc_Glock]

My PX4C has developed a tendency to run the first round in when I seat a fresh mag during slide lock reloads.

All springs seem plenty springy in the mags and slide release.

Anyone have ideas what I can check?

[That Guy]

My full size PX4 has auto-forwarded since it was new.

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[Clobbersaurus]

My full size PX4 has auto-forwarded since it was new.

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I have never been able to get my full size to auto-forward. But I have never really tried to get it to on purpose either.

[That Guy]

I've been using auto-forwarding with my P99 for a long time, so it was pretty natural to me. (There is a technique to making a gun auto-forward reliably.)

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[DAB]

four new, 1/2 priced, Px4 mags arrived today. can't beat $18 each. woot. and a free t-shirt too.

[DAB]

I have never been able to get my full size to auto-forward. But I have never really tried to get it to on purpose either.

mine sometimes does it during matches. just have to learn to trust that the round chambered and keep going.

[Bigghoss]

four new, 1/2 priced, Px4 mags arrived today. can't beat $18 each. woot. and a free t-shirt too.

Dang. Wish I would have seen that promo code before dropping all my extra cash on M9 mags. I'll have to grab some next week if they're still running it.

[busykngt]

Thanks DAB for your post #2560. My four extra 17-rd magazines showed up today too! Got the 100 year anniversary Beretta t-shirt also. Just wondering what's that all about? (Seems like they S/B having their 491st year t-shirt!) ☝️

ETA: Now I guess I'll have to get four of those 'filler sleeves' for the 17rd magazines - to fill the gap on my Compact.
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[Bobcat]

Pretty sure those "filler sleeves" won't work with the Compact. They are designed for the Subcompact to take the full size 17 round mags.

[Doc_Glock]

My PX4C has developed a tendency to run the first round in when I seat a fresh mag during slide lock reloads.

All springs seem plenty springy in the mags and slide release.

Anyone have ideas what I can check?

Anyone? 1200 rounds on this pistol.

[SSGN_Doc]

Anyone? 1200 rounds on this pistol.

Check the actual engagement surfaces of the slide stop/release and the notch in the slide to see that they are still squared off and not getting rounded. Next would be springs.

My compact Px4 has crossed over 1600 rounds since I started logging the rounds through it. I'm not having this issue.

[Clobbersaurus]

Anyone? 1200 rounds on this pistol.

Are you really aggressively inserting the mag? If so, this may just be part of the way the gun responds to your style of shooting now that that the springs are broken in. I'm not real aggressive in the way I insert mags, so it was never an issue for me.

If it auto forwards every time and does not cause a malfunction I wouldn't worry about it at all. It's actually almost a .10th or so faster in terms of raw reload speed to get it to auto-forward. If you want to ensure that it works properly every time still train to use the slide release, it won't hurt anything if you depress it when it is auto-forwarding.

[GJM]

Are you really aggressively inserting the mag? If so, this may just be part of the way the gun responds to your style of shooting now that that the springs are broken in. I'm not real aggressive in the way I insert mags, so it was never an issue for me.

If it auto forwards every time and does not cause a malfunction I wouldn't worry about it at all. It's actually almost a .10th or so faster in terms of raw reload speed to get it to auto-forward. If you want to ensure that it works properly every time still train to use the slide release, it won't hurt anything if you depress it when it is auto-forwarding.

In my experience, auto forwarding shaves about .10, maybe even more for a left handed shooter, and works 80-90 percent of the time. Of course when it doesn't work, you give back a few seconds minimum, depending on whether you get an empty chamber or FUT. I have worked hard to learn to insert the magazine so I control whether it auto forwards or not.

[breakingtime91]

In my experience, auto forwarding shaves about .10, maybe even more for a left handed shooter, and works 80-90 percent of the time. Of course when it doesn't work, you give back a few seconds minimum, depending on whether you get an empty chamber or FUT. I have worked hard to learn to insert the magazine so I control whether it auto forwards or not.

I hate autoforward.. it drives me nuts and usually ends a gun for me. Is there anyway, that you have found, that gets rid of it? I suppose it would manner on which gun?

[GJM]

I hate autoforward.. it drives me nuts and usually ends a gun for me. Is there anyway, that you have found, that gets rid of it? I suppose it would manner on which gun?


Kind of like describing triggers and pressing them, the words can mean very different things to different people. Each pistol, even within the same platform, can vary. On the range, I would take a loaded, full magazine (for the weight), and practice inserting it with varying amounts of force, and the angle you insert it, to see if you can figure out what causes it to auto forward and what does not in your specific pistol. I can pretty much make a pistol auto forward, or not, on demand.

[beenalongtime]

Yeah, if I want to shoot groups with my PX4s, I will just decock for every shot. It is almost a guarantee I will shoot a better group in all Double than I will Single Action.
Do you think this is just you or......

This seems to suggest a DAO version would be worth exploring.

is it your opinion that more would benefit then not, with a DAO model? (looking at a couple, debating)
Thanks!

[LangdonTactical]

Do you think this is just you or......


is it your opinion that more would benefit then not, with a DAO model? (looking at a couple, debating)
Thanks!

I may be able to shoot better groups, but I don't think I can shoot at the same speed with the same level of accuracy with a DAO gun. Definitely not as fast at raw splits up close and also not as fast or as accurate out at any kind of distance.

[Willard]

The full size thread doesn't get as much traffic, so I am pasting a question from that thread below as I have not heard back from the selling company:

Mr. Langdon (or anyone else who knows), I ordered the SS guide rod for my Beretta PX4 full size, but I can't tell if it needs the collar from the old polymer rod or is stand alone with the spring? Wanted to ask before I mess with the existing set up. Thanks!

[troydobe]

I may be able to shoot better groups, but I don't think I can shoot at the same speed with the same level of accuracy with a DAO gun. Definitely not as fast at raw splits up close and also not as fast or as accurate out at any kind of distance.

With respect to splits SA/DA vs DAO. If a shooter can accomplish .2 splits, what would that shooters splits be in DAO same gun? (Related to EL statement above and earlier GJM comment of losing "Ferrari" mode). Has anyone ever played with this i.e. Shooting SA/DA and then removing the sear and shooting same drill DAO?


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[ranger]

Picked up a second PX4 Compact at Cabela's Friday in the "Gun Library" used section. Saw it the week before and promised myself I would get if it was still there last Friday. Plus, I got a Cabela's $20 off coupon in mail! It was still there. Excellent condition with box, second mag, extra frame inserts. It was the cheapest used pistol in that section - significantly less than the used M&Ps (and I am a M&P fan). 5% mil discount offset most of the 7% tax too.

[Jackdog]

I took delivery today of two pistols custom built for me by Robar and LTT. I call them the PX4 Compact Combat. Basically a PX4 CC that has been given the Mod 5 treatment with custom extended left side levers, magazine release, tan Poly T slides. They were built for my girlfriend and I as twin Carry and training guns. I have yet to get to the range, but so far they are absolutely perfectly executed as to what I wanted. Thanks to both Ernie Langdon and Freddie Blish and his crew at Robar for making a vision into reality.
Note on the photo's....my girlfriend runs the small backstrap and I use a medium. I need to get a new Talon grip for hers with the small back strap.

Ran into DB at DPC today. Got a chance to see this pistol and dry fire it. The trigger pull in both DA and SA were extremely smooth and sweet. The size is perfect for concealed carry and AIWB specifically. I've been on the fence about getting one but now I think DB is about cost me $1200+.



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[Dagga Boy]

Ran into DB at DPC today. Got a chance to see this pistol and dry fire it. The trigger pull in both DA and SA were extremely smooth and sweet. The size is perfect for concealed carry and AIWB specifically. I've been on the fence about getting one but now I think DB is about cost me $1200+.

Being you were the Raptor enabler.....$1200 is a drop in the bucket.

[Jackdog]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I knew you were going to bring that up!
Yeah, 5 HKs, an AUG and probably a PX4 I'm still deep in the enabling hole.


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[Guerrero]

I'm jumping on the PX4cc bandwagon, so...

As someone transitioning from another pistol that may (or may not) rhyme with "block," the PX4cc obviously does not have the installed base/market support of Glo... er... "block." Are there spare parts that I should try to get right away to have on-hand?

[beenalongtime]

I'm jumping on the PX4cc bandwagon, so...

As someone transitioning from another pistol that may (or may not) rhyme with "block," the PX4cc obviously does not have the installed base/market support of Glo... er... "block." Are there spare parts that I should try to get right away to have on-hand?

It depends on what your planning on doing. I've bought spare mag release springs, after having one fly off when removing the button to switch its side (bought one gun used), as well as the F/G spring and pin that holds on the safeties. It is my luck when dealing with little springs, your either fine, or they jump into some extra dimensional space, so you can't find them when you need them.

[DAB]

I'm jumping on the PX4cc bandwagon, so...

As someone transitioning from another pistol that may (or may not) rhyme with "block," the PX4cc obviously does not have the installed base/market support of Glo... er... "block." Are there spare parts that I should try to get right away to have on-hand?

the Px4 is good just out of the box. or you can swap parts to make it more gooder. (that's a word, isn't it?)

i've put in a larger magazine release, swapped to the low profile slide release, and changed to the stealth G lever decocking levers.

all things you can do at home with some simple tools (you do not need to remove the extractor to change the G lever).

if you are new to the Px4, take it out and shoot it a bit. then you can evaluate if the stock configuration is good for you, or if you want to change things. all parts are available at the Beretta website, including a kydex holster for it.

i also swapped in the D spring for the hammer spring on my "non-carry" pistol, left the carry one stock in that regard. lightens up the DA pull, slightly improves the SA pull.

[Wondering Beard]

the Px4 is good just out of the box. or you can swap parts to make it more gooder. (that's a word, isn't it?)

That's two words :-)

Since we're in a technical sub forum, here's my technical question. How complicated is the procedure to put in a D mainspring (and how is it done)? I presently don't have a Beretta (but thinking about getting one) and I can detail strip a Glock.

[Bigghoss]

That's two words :-)

Since we're in a technical sub forum, here's my technical question. How complicated is the procedure to put in a D mainspring (and how is it done)? I presently don't have a Beretta (but thinking about getting one) and I can detail strip a Glock.

It was easy. I think I was only able to find one crappy vid for the PX4 but ti wasn't hard to do. Pop off the backstrap and drift out the pin holding int the spring seat I think was all there was to it. I haven't tried the D spring but the Wilson #12 spring is only $6 and made a good trigger awesome while still being 100% reliable.

[DAB]

That's two words :-)

Since we're in a technical sub forum, here's my technical question. How complicated is the procedure to put in a D mainspring (and how is it done)? I presently don't have a Beretta (but thinking about getting one) and I can detail strip a Glock.

easy:

unload pistol (hey, some idiot kid might be reading this)
remove backstrap (you'll have to pull the U shaped retaining loop)
now the pin holding the hammer plug (some might have a lanyard loop as part of that) is exposed.
drift that out with punch.
now you have access to hammer spring. pull it out with needle nose pliers
put aside
put new hammer spring into hole, make sure it rests on hammer strut.
reinstall plug, retaining pin, backstrap and backstrap retaining loop.

done.

it's pretty easy.

you might want to remove the slide, just take care not to pull the trigger with the hammer back unless you gently bring the hammer to rest with your thumb.

[busykngt]

Not difficult at all. Takes five minutes (including nap time). A punch to push out one pin and a pair of needle nose pliers to help lift out a retaining wire clip. See YouTube videos on the topic.

Cut to the 3:15 mark in this video:
https://youtu.be/8cU1PQEsbCQ

[Doc_Glock]

Well, the MGW Pro sight tool could not push the rear sight with maximum finger leverage.

However, with maximum pressure applied and some firm taps to the side of the pusher shoe In finally had success breaking the sight free, and now the pusher can position it.

Beretta sights! Damn! I suppose they are grunt proof anyway.

[Willard]

four new, 1/2 priced, Px4 mags arrived today. can't beat $18 each. woot. and a free t-shirt too.

Actually, Beretta USA now has the full size 17 Rd mags for 14.30, the T-shirt, and free shipping on orders of $59 or more. I stocked up at 50%, but this "forced" me to buy some more.

[Doc_Glock]

Actually, Beretta USA now has the full size 17 Rd mags for 14.30, the T-shirt, and free shipping on orders of $59 or more. I stocked up at 50%, but this "forced" me to buy some more.

The T shirt is actually pretty nice as well.

[DAB]

The T shirt is actually pretty nice as well.

wearing mine today.

[Doc_Glock]

wearing mine today.

I don't wear fun gear at all, but this thing is so understated and honestly cool I have no trouble wearing it out in public.

[Oukaapie]

I'm a Belieber. Just picked up a Px4 CC0 and am already shooting it significantly better that a P30SK than it is replacing. Feels a smidge smaller but shoots a lot better.
After shooting DB's Mod 5 it makes me sad that I did not spring for the extra awesomeness.

[Doc_Glock]

After shooting the gun for a while, to me it feels like a G26 "carry" more than a G19. I shoot them about the same.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170815/c554d7ed56d55f2cfb3f5c2ba01ee56c.jpg

Sight distance is identical to a G43 btw.

[Doc_Glock]

Cross post from 2k challenge thread:

Pistol: Beretta PX4 Compact
Caliber: 9mm
Ammunition: All sorts of 115, 124, and 147 grain ammo. At least ten types. What I can recall: PPU 115 gr normal and NATO, S&B 124 gr normal, and NATO, Winchester 124 gr NATO, MEN 124 gr NATO, Brown Bear 115 gr, Wolf WPA 115 gr, Speer Lawman 124 gr, 147 grain, AE 147 gr fmj, Magtech 115 gr, HST 147 gr standard pressure, Ranger T 124 grain +p
Dates of testing: 7/2017-8/2017
Total rounds fired: 2,021
Modifications: Wilson 12lb main spring.
Stoppages: 0
Malfunctions: 0
Breakages: 0

Notes and Observations:

This is a nice little gun. It proved very reliable in my hands. I had some issues after 1200 rounds with it auto forwarding on reloads. The problem stopped in the last 200 rounds of the test, no idea why. I find it as difficult to shoot as a Glock 26, which is to say it shoots very well, just not as forgiving as a fuller sized pistol. As it sits with the Wilson 12# spring, the trigger is 8lbs DA, 5lbs SA. The trigger feels outstanding, very clean, not gritty. The PX4C is reliable, cheap, accurate, shoots well, and seems durable. What's not to like? The rear sight was placed by the Devil and proved nearly impossible move.

[Exiledviking]

I don't believe I saw any reference to the size of the PX4 Compact versus the HK P2000. I'm really curious about the PX4 Compact but here in California they are as rare as politicians who embrace the 2nd Amendment..
Anyone have or know of pictures comparing the 2?

[Doc_Glock]

I don't believe I saw any reference to the size of the PX4 Compact versus the HK P2000. I'm really curious about the PX4 Compact but here in California they are as rare as politicians who embrace the 2nd Amendment..
Anyone have or know of pictures comparing the 2?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/9b3cc8b7687baff53460ea43dd4f1af2.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/0e070cdf39a45c52435671f5dd2297f9.jpg

They are pretty close. HK has a little longer barrel and slide. Grip identical.

[Wondering Beard]

Can you also make a comparison with the G19?

One thing that has kept me from trying the PX4 Compact is my worry that it might be smaller in the grip that the Glock which every so often pinches me on the reload.

[Doc_Glock]

Can you also make a comparison with the G19?

One thing that has kept me from trying the PX4 Compact is my worry that it might be smaller in the grip that the Glock which every so often pinches me on the reload.

From memory the grip is nearly identical to a 19 except for the little lip in back which the 19 does not have. Can get photos later if that helps. Sounds like you need to handle one.

[Exiledviking]

They are pretty close. HK has a little longer barrel and slide. Grip identical.

Thank you, sir! Exactly what is what I was looking for.

[MSparks909]

The P2000 with the Large backstrap feels almost identical to a G3 G19. Grip angle is a little different but the hump hits the hand nearly the same. The M grip feels more like how a G4 feels without the backstrap. Good guns, excellent quality but I didn't shoot the P2K nearly as well as I do the PX4 CC. So I sold them.

[LangdonTactical]

Can you also make a comparison with the G19?

One thing that has kept me from trying the PX4 Compact is my worry that it might be smaller in the grip that the Glock which every so often pinches me on the reload.

There are comparison photos on the very first post of this thread between the PX4 Compact and the Glock 19.

The Glock 19 also pinches me on reloads, the PX4 does not.

[Wondering Beard]

There are comparison photos on the very first post of this thread between the PX4 Compact and the Glock 19.

The Glock 19 also pinches me on reloads, the PX4 does not.

Thanks Ernest, I had completely forgotten about them.

Hmm, the hand looks like it would get a little lower on the gun than the G19 but the grip is a little longer too.

I'll have to try and find one at the LGS.


From memory the grip is nearly identical to a 19 except for the little lip in back which the 19 does not have. Can get photos later if that helps. Sounds like you need to handle one.

No need to give you more work as Ernest pointed me to the pics :-)

You're right, at this point there is no substitute for "hands on".

[rauchman]

Went to the range over the weekend and, along with bringing a Vertec Inox and G34, rented a PX4 Compact. I am not the shooter many on this board are and usually shoot slow deliberate shots for groups at the range. No range that I know of allows for fast pace firing, so aside from a quick double tab or 2 before the range office comes over and a kind word to slow it down, sorry to say, nothing about splits or timed shooting events.

PX4 Compact - The double action trigger was really nice. Lighter in weight than I was expecting. Everything about it was smooth,.... trigger, action, controls, grip. I'd read it before in this thread, but the grip really needs something to make it "grippy", stippling, skateboard tape, etc. Put about 125 rounds through it with no issues, outside of needing time with it to learn it. By the end of the session, my slow speed, offhand shooting at 10 yards improved a lot and I know with some live and dry fire practice, accuracy would come. Half the rounds shot were DA, I'd shoot 1 round and decock. By the end of the range time, groups went from shotgun patterns to about 2" for 5 rounds. I've been gravitating back to DA/SA pistols and with my very limited experience with it, ....I REALLY like this pistol.

Conversely, I'm really not digging the Vertec. I've had the pistol about 2 years or so, and can't get with the grip frame. I've dropped a D spring, Elite hammer and metal trigger into it and just can't gel with it. My wife has a 1994 92FS with all steel parts, D spring and Elite hammer that I really like, but my Vertec....not so much. I live in NJ and have 3 handgun purchaser's permits in process. Along with getting some flavor of PX4 Storm, I'm on the hunt for an M9A1 (either entire pistol or frame only) to marry with the Vertec top. After the shooting session was over, I perused the display cases and had a chance to fondle a PX4 fullsize, M9A3 and 92 Compact (no rail). The PX4 fullsize felt like it was made for my hand and in dry firing it, the sights did not move. I'll probably wind up with the fullsize vs. the compact. The M9A3's trigger was really nice. Very smooth and lighter than any stock 92 series trigger I've had experience with. Ironically, something about the M9A3 gelled with me, unlike my Vertec. The surprise was the 92 Compact. Kind of like a G19 vs G17, my hand seemed to really lock onto the frame vs. the fullsize. I found myself really liking it and may want to explore that road. Living in NJ, CCW isn't a realistic option, so my choices aren't geared as much towards carrying as others. If I did have the option for CCW, the PX4 Compact would easily be a contender.

[CraigS]

...
Conversely, I'm really not digging the Vertec. I've had the pistol about 2 years or so, and can't get with the grip frame. I've dropped a D spring, Elite hammer and metal trigger into it and just can't gel with it. My wife has a 1994 92FS with all steel parts, D spring and Elite hammer that I really like, but my Vertec....not so much.
I know it would be the wrong color but Beretta does sell the M9A3 92fs similator grip. Maybe that would help you out w/ your Vertec.
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/wrap-around-backstrap-m9a3-backstrap/ud5a1517/
It seems to be more of a rubber than a plastic so I am not sure if it could painted or colored some how or not.

[rauchman]

I know it would be the wrong color but Beretta does sell the M9A3 92fs similator grip. Maybe that would help you out w/ your Vertec.

Yeah, saw that. While I would prefer the grip to be black, it's the size of the grip that gives me pause, plus I'm not really a fan of Hogue grips. I've thought about getting some flashy Vertec grips (G10 maybe?) and sanding down the insides so I could wrap a piece of skate board tape around a plastic piece on the backstrap to mimic the 92 grip frame.

[Dagga Boy]

Yeah, saw that. While I would prefer the grip to be black, it's the size of the grip that gives me pause, plus I'm not really a fan of Hogue grips. I've thought about getting some flashy Vertec grips (G10 maybe?) and sanding down the insides so I could wrap a piece of skate board tape around a plastic piece on the backstrap to mimic the 92 grip frame.

Or quit messing around, sell me the Vertec frame and buy a regular one....it would make you much happier, trust me....;-). There is a lonely slide and barrel at my house that really wants to mate with your lower....

[rauchman]

[QUOTE=Dagga Boy;641416]Or quit messing around, sell me the Vertec frame and buy a regular one....it would make you much happier, trust me....;

The Vertec frame is looking to get some sun in TX. Check your inbox.

[DAB]

awwww.....it's always great when a gun finds its forever home!

[Guerrero]

Does anyone offer any OWB retention holsters for the Px4cc?

[beenalongtime]

Does anyone offer any OWB retention holsters for the Px4cc?

What about the Beretta model 05?

[Av willis]

Although it was to tight when I first got it, the als for the full sized version is working for me now. I added the 6006 als sentry, put it on a ubl, it's my go to duty rig for working private security now.

[Dave Williams]

Does anyone offer any OWB retention holsters for the Px4cc?

Ernest mentioned using a 6280 for a P229R for the PX4CC.

[ranger]

I have been using Safariland 6280 for myPX4 fullsize - there are multiple cheap 6280s for PX4 fs on Ebay. I just tried my PX4 compact in my 6280 for FS and it dies not fit.

[Av willis]

As near as I can tell, the only reason mine worked was the month it was stored in a hot garage. I suspect some time with a hear gun would expedite the process.

[Swamp Buddy]

I think EL took a heat gun to his holster

[Guerrero]

I think EL took a heat gun to his holsterYes, just re-read the whole thread; he did use a heat gun.

[Doc_Glock]

Stealth Levers are back in stock (http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-safety-low-prof-type-g-mfg/c89169/) at BUSA.

I have been looking for them for a while.

[Bobcat]

Just my opinion but I prefer the 92 style levers, but they're out of stock

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/safety-assy-px4-f-large-le-part-c5d666-c5d667/c8a000/

[Bigghoss]

The 92 levers are a huge improvement over the factory ones for those who want the manual safety. I like a 92 lever on the left and on the right I have the factory lever ground flat. I only do that because I carry an unaltered M9 at work. Were I not trying to maintain commonality I would go with the stealth levers in a second.

[Doc_Glock]

I actually have been shooting a 92 lately. Just went and dry fired the PX4. I like the factory PX4 levers better.

Maybe it is the location?

[Balisong]

Man, I just handled a couple of these at the Cabela's in Glendale today. They had a "normal" compact as well as an EL compact and some full size ones. I'd never handled any of them before but I handled the compacts. Immediately hated the standard one, due to the stabby decocker/safety levers. But damn, the EL one was nice! I'm not up on all this stuff, so I don't know the exact variation it was, but had the cool gray slide color, the flush fit decocker levers, and the front sight was an orange square with tritium and plain black rear (assuming Ameriglo?) The trigger seemed slightly smoother and lighter than the standard. Pointed nice, and seemed smaller than I had realized from pics online. If my transition to USP compacts doesn't go well for whatever reason, I will be looking VERY hard at these EL PX4 compacts. Plus I've seen from video they shoot very flat in 9mm. In case anyone is interested it was $849, plus cabelas has 5% off guns and ammo this weekend, so that's just over 800 plus tax. Don't know how that pricing measures up, but cabelas is usually high on guns.

Now, does anyone here have any input on this gun in .40 by any chance? It strikes me as optimized for 9mm, but I'm one of the few that still likes .40 so I'd be interested in hearing how it holds up and handles that round. Thanks!

[LockedBreech]

Man, I just handled a couple of these at the Cabela's in Glendale today. They had a "normal" compact as well as an EL compact and some full size ones. I'd never handled any of them before but I handled the compacts. Immediately hated the standard one, due to the stabby decocker/safety levers. But damn, the EL one was nice! I'm not up on all this stuff, so I don't know the exact variation it was, but had the cool gray slide color, the flush fit decocker levers, and the front sight was an orange square with tritium and plain black rear (assuming Ameriglo?) The trigger seemed slightly smoother and lighter than the standard. Pointed nice, and seemed smaller than I had realized from pics online. If my transition to USP compacts doesn't go well for whatever reason, I will be looking VERY hard at these EL PX4 compacts. Plus I've seen from video they shoot very flat in 9mm. In case anyone is interested it was $849, plus cabelas has 5% off guns and ammo this weekend, so that's just over 800 plus tax. Don't know how that pricing measures up, but cabelas is usually high on guns.

Now, does anyone here have any input on this gun in .40 by any chance? It strikes me as optimized for 9mm, but I'm one of the few that still likes .40 so I'd be interested in hearing how it holds up and handles that round. Thanks!

My time to shine.

PX4 Fullsize Type-F .40 S&W was my first gun ever. I got it in 2008. I'm a low round count shooter by P-F standards (practically a non-shooter until recent years). At this point it has roughly 12,000-15,000 rounds through it, with magazine and recoil spring replacement around 8,000 rounds. It has been fed just about every size, shape, weight, and brand of .40 on the market. It passed the 2,000 round challenge before I knew that was a thing, in roughly 2011.

One stoppage ever. Didn't entirely forward on a remanufactured round, probably around round 5,000 (I had forgotten about it until recently). Slight tap to back of slide and we were back in business. No other malfunctions or breakages.

Recoil impulse is soft and moderate to the point that for years I thought objections against .40 recoil were entirely fabricated. If you're a .40 shooter I think it's one of the best choices on the market.

[beenalongtime]

Now, does anyone here have any input on this gun in .40 by any chance? It strikes me as optimized for 9mm, but I'm one of the few that still likes .40 so I'd be interested in hearing how it holds up and handles that round. Thanks!

The EL model is NOT available in .40. That said, I shoot both the compact as well as the subcompact in .40. The compact does shoot flatter with the rotating barrel. My understanding is the predecessor was designed for the .40 and so was this. If your wanting a DA/SA version, you can search around as prices will vary on these. There are version of these, in .40, with the c or d slide (effectively single action or dual action only, no safety) in the $320 range at Arms Unlimted.
In the standard F model, you can take it add the competition trigger group, a Wilson #12 model 92 spring, the low profile G series decockers, and the Ameriglo sights and have a comparable version to the EL version. I highly recommend it.
My personal version has the 92 series safeties in the G mode. It has the other mods and shoots fine.

[Balisong]

Beenalongtime, thank you for the info, I will definitely reference all that if I get on the PX4 bandwagon

LockedBreech, it's already largely your fault I'm into USP compacts and now you're talking up some other platform. You just go sit quietly in the corner now.

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

My PX4c is chambered for the Short & Weak. I also carry a USP compact in the same. Recoil is pretty comparable in both, as are size, weight, and magazine dimensions. Don't like one more than the other as both are awesome. I will say that I also love the PX4 compact in 9x19mm where that chambering leaves me unimpressed in the USP compact.

http://i.imgur.com/nwPYsVXl.jpg

[medmo]

I've owned one of the EL version Beretta Compact Carrys since last April. I swapped out the plastic trigger with the factory steel version and also changed to the Wilson 12lb spring. It's so sweet it damn near brings a tear to my eye and I can't seem to get enough joyful range time with it. Thanks EL!

[Balisong]

My PX4c is chambered for the Short & Weak. I also carry a USP compact in the same. Recoil is pretty comparable in both, as are size, weight, and magazine dimensions. Don't like one more than the other as both are awesome. I will say that I also love the PX4 compact in 9x19mm where that chambering leaves me unimpressed in the USP compact.

http://i.imgur.com/nwPYsVXl.jpg

Thank you for that comparison!! With people talking about how well it does with the .40, I was wondering how the compact usp compares, because that also handles 40 well IMO. This thread has also lead me to checking out online the subcompact 9 as a possible TDA replacement for my Glock 26/27....

Now what is the story with the floorplate on your usp mag? That looks way thicker than the standard floorplate.

[medmo]

Balisong - I was checking into the Px4 SC and couldn't find anyone having factory new in stock. Phoned Beretta USA who told me that they currently aren't shipping now due to the factory relocation but should be available again later this Fall once the move is complete.

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

Now what is the story with the floorplate on your usp mag? That looks way thicker than the standard floorplate.

It's a standard P2000/USPc magazine with the flexible finger extension. I ground the extension off and shortened it a bit leaving some rubberized material on the bottom. Gives me a bumper for reloads and to pad the baseplate when dropping mags while concealing better than the pinkie hook would otherwise.

[Balisong]

It's a standard P2000/USPc magazine with the flexible finger extension. I ground the extension off and shortened it a bit leaving some rubberized material on the bottom. Gives me a bumper for reloads and to pad the baseplate when dropping mags while concealing better than the pinkie hook would otherwise.

That's a cool idea man, thanks for the tip.

And thanks for the info on the SC medmo

[DallasBronco]

I was perusing gun.deals.com this morning and found several sites carrying the FDE version of the PX4 Compact. I bought 2 of these several months ago and they are really nice guns. The frames are FDE polymer and the slides are Cerakoted in FDE.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/719016379
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/193451
http://www.theoutpostarmory.com/beretta-px4-storm-compact-9mm-15rd-fde-3-27.html
https://gunprime.com/product/beretta-jxc9f21f-px4-storm-compact-3-2-9mm-fde/

[newyork]

My PX4c is chambered for the Short & Weak. I also carry a USP compact in the same. Recoil is pretty comparable in both, as are size, weight, and magazine dimensions. Don't like one more than the other as both are awesome. I will say that I also love the PX4 compact in 9x19mm where that chambering leaves me unimpressed in the USP compact.

http://i.imgur.com/nwPYsVXl.jpg

Why are you unimpressed with the usp9c vs the usp40c? Less accurate?

[Hi-Point Aficionado]

Why are you unimpressed with the usp9c vs the usp40c? Less accurate?

One extra round of capacity and no appreciable reduction in recoil. Using full power ammo in either, there is no real difference in split times for me. Running LEM could have more to do with that than caliber but a wash is a wash.

Versus the PX4 compact where I still really dig .40 but the 9mm chambering definitely shoots a bit faster and holds three more rounds.

[newyork]

Wow that's interesting

[Westtexasrancher]

Hey guys. Father in law is getting a px4 compact from his wife next month, I am looking for 2 sub $150 dollar presents to go with it (1 for Xmas, 1 for bday next month). I'm thinking a set of HDs and maybe a holster and something for the trigger ? Suggestions?

[Mike C]

Hey guys. Father in law is getting a px4 compact from his wife next month, I am looking for 2 sub $150 dollar presents to go with it (1 for Xmas, 1 for bday next month). I'm thinking a set of HDs and maybe a holster and something for the trigger ? Suggestions?

For the money you could grab one of those Wilson 12# springs which makes an amazing improvement on an already excellent trigger plus sights instead of just the HD's. My money would go to these:

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-cc-night-sights-px4-compact-cc/eu00065/
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-Combat-Hammer-Spring-Chrome-Silicon-12-Beretta-92_96/productinfo/721CS%2D12/


Another sight option besides the HD's at the $78 price point are these: https://www.amazon.com/Meprolight-Beretta-Tru-Dot-Night-models/dp/B00555B70C.
You could also look at the drop in competition parts kit: http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-comptrigger-group/c8c205/ for $115,
Stealth leavers found here: http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-px4-safety-and-slide-catch-low-prof-typ-g-only-/e00348/ for $74.

There are tons of options for that gun and basically all factory parts, you could get the D spring from Beretta if you want nothing but factory instead of the Wilson springs but their springs are GTG I've used them in 92FS, 92D's and a PX4 Storm Compact all without any light strike issues.

[Prdator]

I take back every Glock 19 joke I ever made about the Beretta PX4 Compact Cary.
Today I taught at the OKC Women on Target fun shoot. It's the largest one in the country!! With over 500 women attending! I had over 30 women shoot my PX4 compact that I have done most of the PX4CC upgrades ( but not the Langdon trigger job) so mine is not as nice as the PX4CC mod2-5 Each lady shot 5 plus rounds through it at a ~16" steel plate @ 15-20 yards.
I kept track on hits the best I could and only One lady missed the first double action trigger press and only 4 single action shots were missed total. That says something to me....

No other gun on the table came close to that.... Gen5 19, VP9,FN-509( real issues with it) M&P 9, G43,42 Shield etc, maybe it was the difference in how I explained the trigger and how to use it. But I doubt it.
Also the ease of racking the slide and using the decock was mentioned several times by the women!!

I'm liking it more and more.

During a break me and bud know trainer and great shooter Mike Brown shot the Gen 5-19 and the PX4 side by side and both agreed that the PX4 was softer, smother and far more accurate ( with ammo provided) than the G5-19. We disagreed on which one was "flatter" shooting with him favoring the G19. We shot at a rock the size of a softball @100 yards and I hit it on my 4th shot that was a DA press, that didn't hurt !!! ������

It did have one malfunction but it was totally user induced.


About 6 of the women liked it so much they got there phones out and looked up ROBAR to buy one!!

From a practice session this week
My 3 shot cold on demand drill,
3x5 card Horizontal @7 yards
Shot from a Keeper worn with our clip wile wearing sweat pants with the PX4 compact. 2.56 clean.
I'll take that. The sweats slow you down a bit. And I'm still really weak from my two last surgeries!

Over all. I'm a huge fan now!!!! Many thanks to Langdon for helping me down this road

[Westtexasrancher]

For the money you could grab one of those Wilson 12# springs which makes an amazing improvement on an already excellent trigger plus sights instead of just the HD's. My money would go to these:

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-cc-night-sights-px4-compact-cc/eu00065/
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-Combat-Hammer-Spring-Chrome-Silicon-12-Beretta-92_96/productinfo/721CS%2D12/


Another sight option besides the HD's at the $78 price point are these: https://www.amazon.com/Meprolight-Beretta-Tru-Dot-Night-models/dp/B00555B70C.
You could also look at the drop in competition parts kit: http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/px4-comptrigger-group/c8c205/ for $115,
Stealth leavers found here: http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-px4-safety-and-slide-catch-low-prof-typ-g-only-/e00348/ for $74.

There are tons of options for that gun and basically all factory parts, you could get the D spring from Beretta if you want nothing but factory instead of the Wilson springs but their springs are GTG I've used them in 92FS, 92D's and a PX4 Storm Compact all without any light strike issues.

Thanks buddy!

My FIL's name is Mike C, I was like "please don't let it be him" haha

[Mike C]

Thanks buddy!

My FIL's name is Mike C, I was like "please don't let it be him" haha

Ha that's funny, not him! I'm happy to help a fellow Texan. Even though I've been gone for a while I still miss home thought I'd adjust but never have. Something about that West Texas desert. Wish you the best man.

[LangdonTactical]

I take back every Glock 19 joke I ever made about the Beretta PX4 Compact Cary.
Today I taught at the OKC Women on Target fun shoot. It's the largest one in the country!! With over 500 women attending! I had over 30 women shoot my PX4 compact that I have done most of the PX4CC upgrades ( but not the Langdon trigger job) so mine is not as nice as the PX4CC mod2-5 Each lady shot 5 plus rounds through it at a ~16" steel plate @ 15-20 yards.
I kept track on hits the best I could and only One lady missed the first double action trigger press and only 4 single action shots were missed total. That says something to me....

No other gun on the table came close to that.... Gen5 19, VP9,FN-509( real issues with it) M&P 9, G43,42 Shield etc, maybe it was the difference in how I explained the trigger and how to use it. But I doubt it.
Also the ease of racking the slide and using the decock was mentioned several times by the women!!

I'm liking it more and more.

During a break me and bud know trainer and great shooter Mike Brown shot the Gen 5-19 and the PX4 side by side and both agreed that the PX4 was softer, smother and far more accurate ( with ammo provided) than the G5-19. We disagreed on which one was "flatter" shooting with him favoring the G19. We shot at a rock the size of a softball @100 yards and I hit it on my 4th shot that was a DA press, that didn't hurt !!! ������

It did have one malfunction but it was totally user induced.


About 6 of the women liked it so much they got there phones out and looked up ROBAR to buy one!!

From a practice session this week
My 3 shot cold on demand drill,
3x5 card Horizontal @7 yards
Shot from a Keeper worn with our clip wile wearing sweat pants with the PX4 compact. 2.56 clean.
I'll take that. The sweats slow you down a bit. And I'm still really weak from my two last surgeries!

Over all. I'm a huge fan now!!!! Many thanks to Langdon for helping me down this road

This is a great story and you not the first one to find that ladies love this little gun.

[akatrd]

If anyone can help. I'm trying to order a spare replacement trigger return spring for my PX4 Compact Carry. Brownells says its part # C5B772. Midwest Gun Works says is its part #C5B883 (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=C5B883) . The C5B883 says its for PX4 SD trigger. Midwest Gun Works says they are all the same. Which one is the correct spring and what is the difference? What is a PX4 SD?

[Chuck Whitlock]

If anyone can help. I'm trying to order a spare replacement trigger return spring for my PX4 Compact Carry. Brownells says its part # C5B772. Midwest Gun Works says is its part #C5B883 (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=C5B883) . The C5B883 says its for PX4 SD trigger. Midwest Gun Works says they are all the same. Which one is the correct spring and what is the difference? What is a PX4 SD?

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4-storm-sd-type-f-/

[Dagga Boy]

I take back every Glock 19 joke I ever made about the Beretta PX4 Compact Cary.
Today I taught at the OKC Women on Target fun shoot. It's the largest one in the country!! With over 500 women attending! I had over 30 women shoot my PX4 compact that I have done most of the PX4CC upgrades ( but not the Langdon trigger job) so mine is not as nice as the PX4CC mod2-5 Each lady shot 5 plus rounds through it at a ~16" steel plate @ 15-20 yards.
I kept track on hits the best I could and only One lady missed the first double action trigger press and only 4 single action shots were missed total. That says something to me....

No other gun on the table came close to that.... Gen5 19, VP9,FN-509( real issues with it) M&P 9, G43,42 Shield etc, maybe it was the difference in how I explained the trigger and how to use it. But I doubt it.
Also the ease of racking the slide and using the decock was mentioned several times by the women!!

I'm liking it more and more.

During a break me and bud know trainer and great shooter Mike Brown shot the Gen 5-19 and the PX4 side by side and both agreed that the PX4 was softer, smother and far more accurate ( with ammo provided) than the G5-19. We disagreed on which one was "flatter" shooting with him favoring the G19. We shot at a rock the size of a softball @100 yards and I hit it on my 4th shot that was a DA press, that didn't hurt !!! ������

It did have one malfunction but it was totally user induced.


About 6 of the women liked it so much they got there phones out and looked up ROBAR to buy one!!

From a practice session this week
My 3 shot cold on demand drill,
3x5 card Horizontal @7 yards
Shot from a Keeper worn with our clip wile wearing sweat pants with the PX4 compact. 2.56 clean.
I'll take that. The sweats slow you down a bit. And I'm still really weak from my two last surgeries!

Over all. I'm a huge fan now!!!! Many thanks to Langdon for helping me down this road

Same boat pal. Just got out with my girlfriend to the range together for the first time. I am amazed at a new shooter how well she shoots the PX4CC overall, and as I noted at my observations from Girl and a Gun, women do really well with the PX4CC (and in my case, folks of any gender with arthritis and hand strength issues).
I took my newest Vertec/ G slide combo out and "thought" I was shooting pretty good with it it. That was right up till my last run of the day on the plate rack where I used my girlfriends PX4CC that is a twin of mine done by Ernest and Robar. I simply smoked the plate rack. For a daily carry AIWB/ purse carry (purses have many of the same issues as AIWB), I am still convinced these little guys are flat out the best thing on the market. For those who do not want a DA/SA, the LEM guns are my alternative, but I am simply loving the PX4CC. The other thing I am noticing is that is seem to be able to do fairly well with it when I am not on a solid training schedule. Don't know why, but just seems to be a bit forgiving of typical errors when not on a consistent training schedule.

As an added observation. Love the NP3 on our guns. I cleaned my girlfriends gun last night for the first time since she got it. It was a disgusting mess inside. No malfunctions or issues, and it cleaned up fairly easy for the amount of yuck in it and lack of lubrication. Any hesitation I had about the rotary barrel has been totally alleviated when the barrel is NP3 finished.

[bigslim]

Allow me to introduce you to the twins, Claudia and Sophia. Once Claudia passed the 2k challenge she became my new EDC and I picked up Sophia yesterday and she is the training pistol.

I'm running the large back strap's, Langdon Tactical spurless hammer's, Wilson Combat #12 lbs hammer springs, and I did the stippling. I think it goes without saying that I am really pleased with these hot Italians and am looking to see where to full size shakes out. BZ Mr. Langdon.

Mike

19926

[LockedBreech]

As much as I think I stole my bone-stock PX4C G-type for just over $400 out the door, new-in-box, I like it enough that I'm going to need to add the Langdon model as soon as funds allow. I regret not saving up for the NP3 and trigger job.

[Jared]

As much as I think I stole my bone-stock PX4C G-type for just over $400 out the door, new-in-box, I like it enough that I'm going to need to add the Langdon model as soon as funds allow. I regret not saving up for the NP3 and trigger job.

A friend of mine picked one of those G models up himself, and WRT the ladies loving the PX4 Compact, his adult daughter is trying very hard to appropriate my buddies pistol for herself.

[beenalongtime]

Mr. Langdon!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May was my last range trip. I put your hammers on in early June and life got in the way (few months of employers medical, means overtime not range time). I finally got to the range today and no hammer bite.
I need to post in another thread as I think something else affected my shooting as well, but this certainly made it more enjoyable!!

[alohadoug]

As much as I think I stole my bone-stock PX4C G-type for just over $400 out the door, new-in-box, I like it enough that I'm going to need to add the Langdon model as soon as funds allow. I regret not saving up for the NP3 and trigger job.

I finally managed to track down a used 9mm Compact in Mass.

Seller wanted $750!!!!!!!!!!

Ugh.

[LangdonTactical]

Mr. Langdon!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May was my last range trip. I put your hammers on in early June and life got in the way (few months of employers medical, means overtime not range time). I finally got to the range today and no hammer bite.
I need to post in another thread as I think something else affected my shooting as well, but this certainly made it more enjoyable!!

Glad to hear it!!!

[Papalapa]

Main reason I switched from a Glock 19 to the PX4 CC was to get away from slide bite. When I saw some folks complain about hammer bite I'd knew it would get me too. So I opted straight for the Robar Mod 5 and couldn't be happier. Since I bought the last one I've got to pick up a second Compact Carry and have a Langdon hammer installed. Fastest 1000 rounds I've been through and after years of using Glocks I shoot this thing Way better!

[LangdonTactical]

Main reason I switched from a Glock 19 to the PX4 CC was to get away from slide bite. When I saw some folks complain about hammer bite I'd knew it would get me too. So I opted straight for the Robar Mod 5 and couldn't be happier. Since I bought the last one I've got to pick up a second Compact Carry and have a Langdon hammer installed. Fastest 1000 rounds I've been through and after years of using Glocks I shoot this thing Way better!

Thanks for sharing your story and I am really glad to hear you like your MOD 5.

[Dagga Boy]

Well, my better half, Spencer Keepers and I all shot our Robar/Langdon Mod 5 PX4CC's at a super gamer steel match today. We all did really well for our own abilities. Spencer absolutely crushed the Texas Star stage and I saw nobody, including the open class guns and shooters best his time. Kind of nice going out with our daily carry guns and being competitive with the compensated and red dot sighted open guns out of non functional speed rigs.

[psalms144.1]

Well, my better half, Spencer Keepers and I all shot our Robar/Langdon Mod 5 PX4CC's at a super gamer steel match today. We all did really well for our own abilities. Spencer absolutely crushed the Texas Star stage and I saw nobody, including the open class guns and shooters best his time. Kind of nice going out with our daily carry guns and being competitive with the compensated and red dot sighted open guns out of non functional speed rigs.Good to hear - DB - now you need to get your lady friend a Beretta hat!

[GJM]

Good to hear - DB - now you need to get your lady friend a Beretta hat!

More pictures of GF, not so many more of DB and SK needed.

Darryl, if you want real fun, you need to go to a USPSA match. :)

[Dagga Boy]

Good to hear - DB - now you need to get your lady friend a Beretta hat!

As soon as we get free Beretta hats... I don't pay for gun company hats at this point😎.


More pictures of GF, not so many more of DB and SK needed.

Darryl, if you want real fun, you need to go to a USPSA match. :)

Yea, the large bearded mammals were a picture distraction. She had a great time and has only been shooting a pistol a few months and did really good. First time she ever shot multiple targets. She is super athletic, so she should take to this well. She didn't miss much and should get good at this quickly. We will likely keep doing matches with our carry guns.
Kind of funny watching Spencer shoot from a 3:00 OWB I lent him. He would have been much faster from one of his AIWB holsters.

[FrankB]

Alright! I tried to search all over this thread, and use the search function for the forum, but no success. I have a Beretta Competition trigger group on the way, and I'm wondering if it makes much of a difference. I installed the Beretta D spring, and low profile levers. I also converted to decocker only. I hate to wait for stuff in the mail, so I'd be grateful for anyone's input. Also, this is one of my carry guns, but I do appreciate fine triggers, so would have the competition trigger group benefit from further tuning?

[timotab]

Alright! I tried to search all over this thread, and use the search function for the forum, but no success. I have a Beretta Competition trigger group on the way, and I'm wondering if it makes much of a difference. I installed the Beretta D spring, and low profile levers. I also converted to decocker only. I hate to wait for stuff in the mail, so I'd be grateful for anyone's input. Also, this is one of my carry guns, but I do appreciate fine triggers, so would have the competition trigger group benefit from further tuning?

Add a Wilson 12# spring and shoot it. The single action on my competition group is at 3# with a rolling break, very nice.

[Bigghoss]

Alright! I tried to search all over this thread, and use the search function for the forum, but no success. I have a Beretta Competition trigger group on the way, and I'm wondering if it makes much of a difference. I installed the Beretta D spring, and low profile levers. I also converted to decocker only. I hate to wait for stuff in the mail, so I'd be grateful for anyone's input. Also, this is one of my carry guns, but I do appreciate fine triggers, so would have the competition trigger group benefit from further tuning?

I think I asked about this in the PX4 underrated is an understatement thread and IIRC I got one response that said it wasn't a huge difference but I don't remember. Personally my PX4 compact came with an impressive DA trigger out of the box and a Wilson 12# spring made it very nice and plenty good enough for me. Ernest Langdon posted a video about polishing the ends of the springs to slightly improve the DA pull so I'll have to give that a try. I would say since you already bought the parts put them in (might as well go watch EL's video on polishing hammer springs and do that while you have it out) and get good with the DA pull and the DA-to-SA transition before trying to do anything else. Factory guns even with heavy stock triggers can be run just fine and I think we all (myself very much included) need to try harder to become proficient with stock guns before getting too deep into modding them.

[FrankB]

Thanks Guys! I have a Beretta M9 that I tricked out with all the possible Wilson Combat bells and whistles I could find, and I'd have to say the M9 and PX4 Compact are very close in trigger action right now. The M9 has a better trigger profile for me, and that's immediately noticeable.

[Prdator]

To continue eating the crow.....

I shot the steel match at the Dallas pistol cub last sunday and won the stock division shooting my brand new had never been shot before PX4 CC Mod-4!! It was also my first steel match. Also no AIWB allowed at that range so had to used a OWB holster. Got in contact with my home club and they will allow AIWB so yeah!!!

It was a hoot and I plan to shoot steel every chance I get now..

[Mr_White]

Well, my better half, Spencer Keepers and I all shot our Robar/Langdon Mod 5 PX4CC's at a super gamer steel match today. We all did really well for our own abilities. Spencer absolutely crushed the Texas Star stage and I saw nobody, including the open class guns and shooters best his time. Kind of nice going out with our daily carry guns and being competitive with the compensated and red dot sighted open guns out of non functional speed rigs.


To continue eating the crow.....

I shot the steel match at the Dallas pistol cub last sunday and won the stock division shooting my brand new had never been shot before PX4 CC Mod-4!! It was also my first steel match. Also no AIWB allowed at that range so had to used a OWB holster. Got in contact with my home club and they will allow AIWB so yeah!!!

It was a hoot and I plan to shoot steel every chance I get now..

Congratulations to both of you guys! It's awesome to see you out there attacking competitions with your carry gear! (Or as close as you can get under the rules...) Way to go!

[Exiledviking]

I hope you all forgive me for a slight thread drift..
I live behind the redwood curtain ,as one member here eloquently put it, in California. As much as I'd love to get a hold of a PX4 Compact or CC they're rare and very pricey as they're not on the approved "Safe" roster. I do however have a line on a very lightly used 92 Compact L with Trijicon night sights for a good deal. How does the 92 Compact compare shooting wise to the PX4 Compact?

[JTQ]

How does the 92 Compact compare shooting wise to the PX4 Compact?
I don't know, but Lucky Gunner has done some video's and articles on both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lwlMNkWcxI

Here's the comparison "Scoreboard" http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/handgun-scoreboard/

[Dagga Boy]

Forgot to add this. When I shot the Steel Match, I had an interesting situation arise. I got a bad round and totally locked the gun up. I can see what happens when these rotary barrel guns lock up and how hard they are to clear. This is where my theory about NP3 became a reality. I was able to unlock the gun with pure muscling it open. I attribute this to the NP3 coating allowing the natural lubricity properties of NP3 to allow the gun to be unlocked. Inspection of the brass showed that it was totally coated in black soot and kind of egg shaped. The round felt extremely hot when it went off. No damage was noted on the pistol and I shot the rest of the day with no issues. I am carrying the same gun as I type this. While the NP3 guns are an added expense, I think it is totally worth it.

[JTQ]

Forgot to add this. When I shot the Steel Match, I had an interesting situation arise. I got a bad round and totally locked the gun up. I can see what happens when these rotary barrel guns lock up and how hard they are to clear. This is where my theory about NP3 became a reality. I was able to unlock the gun with pure muscling it open. I attribute this to the NP3 coating allowing the natural lubricity properties of NP3 to allow the gun to be unlocked. Inspection of the brass showed that it was totally coated in black soot and kind of egg shaped. The round felt extremely hot when it went off. No damage was noted on the pistol and I shot the rest of the day with no issues. I am carrying the same gun as I type this. While the NP3 guns are an added expense, I think it is totally worth it.
This is probably not your issue, but I was intrigued with P. E. Kelley's Grand Power .45 review. A gun also with a rotary barrel. Late in his video, around the 9:20 mark, he talks about malfunctions he had with the gun. The factory tech support told him to make sure he lubes in the breach face/chamber mouth area as the barrel needs to rotate to function.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16688-Grand-Power-P45acp-Big-Bullet-Blaster

For most of us with little or no rotary barrel experience, this is not a place we'd typically lube. As you pointed out, I suppose the NP3 would let you do more with less lube in that area.

[Bigghoss]

This is probably not your issue, but I was intrigued with P. E. Kelley's Grand Power .45 review. A gun also with a rotary barrel. Late in his video, around the 9:20 mark, he talks about malfunctions he had with the gun. The factory tech support told him to make sure he lubes in the breach face/chamber mouth area as the barrel needs to rotate to function.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16688-Grand-Power-P45acp-Big-Bullet-Blaster

For most of us with little or no rotary barrel experience, this is not a place we'd typically lube. As you pointed out, I suppose the NP3 would let you do more with less lube in that area.

You're right, I didn't even think about that.

[FrankB]

Ok.... The Beretta Competition Trigger Group arrived, and it really does just drop right in. With the included spring, the DA pull was around 10.5lbs, so I tossed the Cougar D spring in, and the DA dropped to around 8.4lbs average, and the SA dropped to 3lbs average. I was getting the same with the stock trigger group in DA, but the SA dropped 1/2lb. The exciting news is this group is SMOOTH!!!!!!
The DA has zero stacking, and simply breaks with a consistent pull back. The SA is light, and breaks with just a tad of pressure once you reach the wall. I bought it on sale, but I’d have paid full price.

[LearnedHat]

Ok.... The Beretta Competition Trigger Group arrived, and it really does just drop right in. With the included spring, the DA pull was around 10.5lbs, so I tossed the Cougar D spring in, and the DA dropped to around 8.4lbs average, and the SA dropped to 3lbs average. I was getting the same with the stock trigger group in DA, but the SA dropped 1/2lb. The exciting news is this group is SMOOTH!!!!!!
The DA has zero stacking, and simply breaks with a consistent pull back. The SA is light, and breaks with just a tad of pressure once you reach the wall. I bought it on sale, but I’d have paid full price.


3# seems a little light for me - wonder what it is with the LT trigger work

[FrankB]

3# seems a little light for me - wonder what it is with the LT trigger work
I’m using a new Lyman gauge, so I’m guessing it’s working ok. The SA was never higher than 3.5lbs with the stock trigger group and a Cougar D spring. The only thing I could find “competion” the new group, was its smoothness. I assumed it would have a lighter spring than it came with.

[LearnedHat]

I’m using a new Lyman gauge, so I’m guessing it’s working ok. The SA was never higher than 3.5lbs with the stock trigger group and a Cougar D spring. The only thing I could find “competion” the new group, was its smoothness. I assumed it would have a lighter spring than it came with.

I think it always just dropped the SA and smoothed out the DA

[FrankB]

I’m trying to post a video of the trigger pull, but it probably won’t work....

[LearnedHat]

I’m trying to post a video of the trigger pull, but it probably won’t work....
It may be fine. I'm just used to 4.4# SA P229 and my stock Px4 full size

[FrankB]

https://youtu.be/n3SCtGMWbI4
The last sentence should have been “8 and a few ounces, to 8 and a half pounds.”
Edit: The Stealth decocker works much easier with the comp trigger group...MUCH.

[timotab]

https://youtu.be/n3SCtGMWbI4
The last sentence should have been “8 and a few ounces, to 8 and a half pounds.”
Edit: The Stealth decocker works much easier with the comp trigger group...MUCH.

I also found this to be the case.

[Jackdog]

Pick up my Mod 5 tonight. So, far
I'm very impressed with it. Can't wait to get to the range.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171003/07c261d4db827e517dae9dff20fa5b4b.jpg

[Prdator]

Trust me dude your gonna love it!!!

I let some of the students shoot my PX4CC mod 4 and my Langdon 92A1 this last weekend in VA.. and the most common comment was..... Dude you just cost me a LOT of $$$$$$$

[sharps54]

Buds had PX4 Compact type G's for $346 the other week, I put three on layaway and ordered stealth levers, plugs, and D hammer springs. The intent was to fully switch to that pistol (a little under $450 each all told) from the Glock 19 after Prdator's classes last weekend. Now after listening to him I'm really second guessing that plan. I may just send them all to Robar and sell the parts...

[Jackdog]

Trust me dude your gonna love it!!!

I let some of the students shoot my PX4CC mod 4 and my Langdon 92A1 this last weekend in VA.. and the most common comment was..... Dude you just cost me a LOT of $$$$$$$

Hit DPC with DB and M for a range session this morning. You're right. I love this pistol!
The trigger press is amazingly light and smooth. The size and shape makes it seems
Like it's smaller than it is. Had to put it next to my 229 for a size comparison and was surprised it was almost the same length. Feels and handles like a smaller pistol.