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Lyonsgrid
05-27-2015, 07:51 PM
Proof I need to stay away from my local LE distributor shop. Every visit something follows me home.

They had a rack of recent LE trade-in pump shotguns. This Winchester 1300 Defender caught my eye. It was the only one with a walnut stock and appeared to be in the best condition. For $175.00, I could not leave it there.

I must admit, I’ve been somewhat un-American ‘till this point, as this is the only pump I’ve ever owned.

I’d like to hear about this model and know what to expect. The 870’s seem to rule the market with an iron fist but this thing appears to be well built and worth a look.

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Kyle Reese
05-27-2015, 07:59 PM
I had a 1300 as a kid. Sweet shotgun. You got a great deal on it.


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TR675
05-27-2015, 08:01 PM
Better handling than 870's. Lighter 'cause of the aluminum receiver. I've heard their extractors break more easily than the 870's. My sample of one was great. I replaced it with an 870 because "870" and have wondered what I really gained ever since.

Glenn E. Meyer
05-27-2015, 08:03 PM
I've one and it's always run in matches and classes. Took a Givens' class with it and it was fine.

hurley842002
05-27-2015, 08:07 PM
I've never owned a 1300, but I fired my buddies, and it had the smoothest, quickest action of any pump I've ever used. Outside of that, I don't know much about them.

JodyH
05-27-2015, 08:44 PM
I have one, light, slick, fast handling pump.

SecondsCount
05-27-2015, 09:18 PM
Nice score.

Chuck Haggard
05-27-2015, 09:19 PM
I've shot a few of them, never saw one break, although my experience is minimal. I do know that this is the only regular pump gun that feeds those Aguila mini shells, I had a friend that used his 1300 and the mini shells for his house gun since he could load like 13 of them in the tube

Doug
05-27-2015, 11:03 PM
I've shot a few of them, never saw one break, although my experience is minimal. I do know that this is the only regular pump gun that feeds those Aguila mini shells, I had a friend that used his 1300 and the mini shells for his house gun since he could load like 13 of them in the tube

Is there any ballistics testing data showing how the mini shotgun shells perform?

Chuck Haggard
05-27-2015, 11:20 PM
Is there any ballistics testing data showing how the mini shotgun shells perform?

Not that I know of. Figuring out that #4 and #1 buck pellets will do at 1200fps should be that hard though if a guy was interested.

Not sayin it's a great idea, although it might be a decent one. I recall recoil being low and the patterns being about average for buckshot.

Chuck Haggard
05-27-2015, 11:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtG6StDLorE

SpyderMan2k4
05-28-2015, 12:56 AM
The 1300 was the very first gun I bought when I was 18. I agree with a prior statement, I remember it being noticeably faster and smoother than other pumps I had used. I wound up replacing it with an 870 because of easier to find/ cheaper barrel options. It never had any reliability issues, however I never ran it like I run guns now.

pdb
05-28-2015, 08:15 AM
I bought an 8 shot 1300 Defender with walnut stock for $199 from my local Wal-mart in 1998. It still stands guard in my closet. Great gun, cycles like a semi, and I like the safety ahead of the trigger as my fingers are long enough to get to it. Never had a malfunction with it. Love that one piece mag tube with no joints for shells to get hung up on.

Downside: alternate stocks, spare parts and accessories are kind of thin on the ground. There isn't a good way to put a flashlight on it except for the $300 Surefire foreend (which may be out of production at this point). I've heard the extractor is kind of a pain to repair if it breaks, but I haven't run into that.

The 1300 is still in production (kinda) as the SXP, but it's built in Turkey and has a shorter mag tube and I have no idea how good the QC is.

Doug
05-28-2015, 02:56 PM
Thanks Chuck for the info.


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P.E. Kelley
05-28-2015, 04:06 PM
Some of them are marked "speed pump" as the action will...without assistance eject a spent hull.

Load the chamber, refrain from touching the forend and break the shot, the slide will move to the rear and in most cases eject the hull.

Used one to good effect at the Pan-American IPSC shotgun championship in 2010.

Dave Williams
05-28-2015, 04:32 PM
For years these were the preferred shotguns at Rogers because they were so fast.

Lyonsgrid
05-28-2015, 07:06 PM
Some of them are marked "speed pump" as the action will...without assistance eject a spent hull.

Load the chamber, refrain from touching the forend and break the shot, the slide will move to the rear and in most cases eject the hull.

Used one to good effect at the Pan-American IPSC shotgun championship in 2010.

This one is marked "speed pump" on the receiver. I never knew it was more than marketing terminology.

Doug
05-29-2015, 06:19 PM
I just saw an ad for one of these on sale at a local sports store with two barrels. Then I checked the Winchester website http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=021c&mid=512268 which read

"THE WORLD’S FASTEST PUMP ACTION.
Whether its super-speed clays or fast-flushing upland game, keep up with shooting’s fastest action with the Super X Pump, the perfect choice for pump shotgun lovers. Because of its inertia-assisted slide-action, it’s the fastest in the world for follow-up shots. Three shots can be delivered in just a half second. Cycle one through and see if it’s not the finest fitting, sweetest handling and fastest pump out there."

3 shots in .5 seconds is .17 split.


Has anyone timed themselves with one shooting buck shot and if so what was your average split time?

That seems amazingly fast; faster than many can belt out of a semi-auto. They are back bored too. Also are drilled and tapped and have a version with a ghost ring. I am definitely intrigued.

PS the marine one make my eyes wince though ...

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/imgs/model-name/SXP-Desert-Defender-512311-3250m.jpg
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/img/images-by-title-name/Super-X-Pump-Marine-Defender-MID-512268-m.jpg
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/imgs/model-name/SXP-Ultimate-Defender-512298-1708m.jpg

Doug
05-29-2015, 06:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaMQKxRxwrU

Here is someone shooting one.

PS Not a fan of the breacher choke.

P.E. Kelley
05-29-2015, 07:40 PM
I just saw an ad for one of these on sale at a local sports store with two barrels. Then I checked the Winchester website http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=021c&mid=512268 which read

"THE WORLD’S FASTEST PUMP ACTION.
Whether its super-speed clays or fast-flushing upland game, keep up with shooting’s fastest action with the Super X Pump, the perfect choice for pump shotgun lovers. Because of its inertia-assisted slide-action, it’s the fastest in the world for follow-up shots. Three shots can be delivered in just a half second. Cycle one through and see if it’s not the finest fitting, sweetest handling and fastest pump out there."

3 shots in .5 seconds is .17 split.


Has anyone timed themselves with one shooting buck shot and if so what was your average split time?

That seems amazingly fast; faster than many can belt out of a semi-auto. They are back bored too. Also are drilled and tapped and have a version with a ghost ring. I am definitely intrigued.

PS the marine one make my eyes wince though ...

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/imgs/model-name/SXP-Desert-Defender-512311-3250m.jpg
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/img/images-by-title-name/Super-X-Pump-Marine-Defender-MID-512268-m.jpg
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/imgs/model-name/SXP-Ultimate-Defender-512298-1708m.jpg



Those three shots are...first shot ZERO, second shot at .25 and third in at 25 total 0.50

Before Patrick Flanigan>>>>>http://www.multigunmedia.com/speed-shotguning.pdf

Doug
05-29-2015, 09:06 PM
Those three shots are...first shot ZERO, second shot at .25 and third in at 25 total 0.50

Before Patrick Flanigan>>>>>http://www.multigunmedia.com/speed-shotguning.pdf

Thank you!


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Drang
05-29-2015, 09:43 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but...
The 1300 is no longer in production. How does the SXP compare?

Drifting Fate
05-30-2015, 03:57 AM
Have a 1300 bird gun in the safe and would love a Defender version. As much as I'm an 870 guy, the 1300 is a FAST action. Lovely guns. Enjoy!

Doug
05-30-2015, 11:11 PM
Got to handle the ghost ring version today at the store.

The rear sight has no visible adjustments other than a set screw that appeared to control elevation. The other set screw that controlled windage looks like it loosened so the sight could be adjusted by means of placement of the dovetail. My Chinese Hawk 870 Clone with ghost rings has better rear adjustments. Found this pic which illustrates:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/images/products/detail/SG0007RAILD.jpg

The front sight is fixed with narrow wings. No way to get a fiber optic front.

The trigger/reset was good, better than my Moss 500. The slide/action was smooth.

FWIW Overall no way I would buy the Extreme ghost ring version because of the sights and the breacher choke was just plain silly.

Wouldn't mind shooting the regular defender version just to compare split times with the others.

randyho
10-10-2023, 04:20 PM
#necro (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=necro)
After watching some of the footage from the weekend, I picked up another one of these. It really does feel better than an 870 to me.

Total knee-jerk, but the AR, AK, and pistol angles are covered. Getting everyone trained now.

awp_101
11-01-2023, 06:54 PM
Does anyone make an adapter to install a Magpul SGA yet? They make one for everything else it seems...