Review: Glock 43 w/ Shooting Results

[ST911]

Manufacturer: Glock
Model: 43
Serial Number: ZGX###
Test Fire Date: 04/14/2015

On the web: http://singlestack9.com/

Source

This G43 was obtained from a Glock LE distributor at LE pricing of ~$358.00, paid by me.

Unboxing

The Glock 43 ships in the same hard plastic Glock branded box like others. Included in the case are the gun itself, two magazines, promotional and safety literature, a trigger lock, and fired casing(s). Its diminutive size is its greatest distinction from the rest of the line and there is little else noteworthy about it externally. Unloaded, the G43 with empty magazine inserted weighs ~18oz.

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The upper is detail stripped in the same manner as other Glocks. The serrations on the slide are shallower and have less bite when grasping than the larger guns. The RSA is the same type of captive dual spring assembly found on other gen4 Glocks. The sights are a downsized version of the plastic ball-and-bucket type most Glocks ship with. The rear sight is 6.1mm in height, and the front is the standard OEM front. The firing pin safety and corresponding machining in the slide is unique to the G42 and G43. The balance of the slide internals are mostly just reductions of larger Glocks.

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Detail stripping of the G43 lower is similar to other Glocks, and identical to the G42. There is only the single trigger pin (“first pin”) to remove above the trigger, along with the trigger mechanism housing pin at the rear. The locking block must be removed to remove the slide stop lever. The slide stop lever has a captured coil spring attached to it. The slide lock lever receives its tension from a coil spring beneath it, rather than the leaf spring of the larger Glocks. The trigger spring is a combination of a captured coil spring and leaf bar on top. It attaches to the interior of the trigger mechanism housing. Disassembly of the trigger mechanism housing is unique to the G42 and G43. The grip texture of the lower receiver is the same raised polygonal surface as found on other gen4 models, but less pronounced. It’s not particularly grabby, but there is some slip resistance. The trigger face is serrated on the G43, unlike the smooth face of the G42.

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The magazine catch is the standard gen4 size and type, and is fully reversible.

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The slide stop lever, slide lock lever, and firing pin safety share the same coil spring.

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Two magazines are included, one with a flush fit base plate and the other with pinky extension. Both magazines have six round capacity. The witness holes are correct to the number remaining. The spring has 11 coils.

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Comparisons

The most frequent comparison for the G43 is to the G26. They are nearly identical in overall height and length. The width of grip and slide is more obvious. It is readily apparent on view, and even more-so in the hand.

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In all other physical attributes, the G43 is simply another Glock.

Dry Handling

Trigger pull is typical Glock and this sample feels to be about ~6-7 pounds. It is heavier than several larger Glocks on hand but lighter than a comparison G42. Over-travel is typical of other Glocks. Trigger reset was distinct and audible. Grip issues that I had with the G42 are less prevalent with the G43 but still noted. My strong hand middle finger makes contact with the bottom of the magazine release and my thumbs rest along the side of the slide. The meat of my hands interfere with ejecting and inserting magazines unless I reposition my grip. Reloads can be slow, and painful.

The G43 is flat and conceals well. As a pocket gun it is tall though, and may be too much so to draw from many pants in a firing grip. It draws easily from various vest, purse, and shoulder bag sleeves. The gun disappears in OWB carry and there is a feel of having more holster than gun. When IWB, it feels buried. It carries light and easily on the ankle in many cuts of pants. Regardless of carry location, getting a firing grip on the gun when holstered can be challenging and will take some adjustment.

Shooting

Live fire testing is underway with a wide assortment of ammunition. Comprehensive results will be added soon.

Should you have any requests for particular photos, data, or other information please feel free to post them within the thread and I will attempt to accommodate them.

[ST911]

UPDATE

Having had the gun in hand for two weeks, I have the following to share.

Range sessions: 6
Number of shooters: 10. 2 female, 8 male. Youngest 12, oldest 60+. 3 current LEOs, 2 LE retirees, 5 citizens.
Cumulative round count: 1,230
Most rounds per session: 507
Fewest rounds per session: 12
Malfunctions – Gun: 0
Malfunctions – User/Ammo: 4*. 1 failure to eject, 3 light strikes. See discussion below.

Ammunition used (24):

50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr FMJ (BHA brass)
50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr GDHP +P (Starline brass)
30rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (Win brass)
100rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (BHA brass)
60rds Black Hills Ammunition 124gr JHP-XTP +P (BHA brass)

26rds Federal 100gr RHT lead free frangible
50rds Federal 115 FMJ (aluminum case)
50rds Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
50rds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok
*100rds Federal 147gr JHP
50rds Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok
50rds Speer Lawman 147 TMJ
50rds American Eagle 115 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 147 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 124gr FMJ

50rds Corbon 115gr FMJ (Starline brass)
40rds Corbon 100gr +P Pow’RBall

62rds PMC Bronze 115 FMJ
50rds Freedom Munitions 115 FMJ
50rds Herters-Tula 115 FMJ (steel case)
50rds Winchester Mk254 Mod 0 Frangible
46rds Remington 100gr Disintegrator lead free frangible
*16rds International Cartridge Company 100gr lead free frangible
50rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ

Stoppages and Malfunctions

There were four total. The first three occurred with a ~20yo female novice shooter using Federal 147gr JHP (9MS), and were light off-center strikes. It appeared that she had been riding the slide while shooting, causing it to be slightly out of battery. During a second session with the same shooter and ammo, it did not reoccur.

The second was a stovepipe/failure to eject in the hands of a LEO using the International Cartridge Company lead free frangible. This malfunction was not unexpected, given this load’s similar problems and poor inconsistent performance in other 9mm service pistols.

Subcompact Comparisons

Over time I’ve accumulated a body of data comparing my performance on various subcompact 9mm pistols. After reflecting on all those numbers, I think two particular exercises best exemplify the design purpose and likely use of these guns. They are intended to be carried easily, drawn quickly, fire several rounds to a vital area, and possibly be reloaded for another volley. Therefore, I liked D5s and F.A.S.T. drills.

D5 from concealment to USPSA A-Zone, 3 / 5 / 7 / 10yds
Glock 43: 2.32 C / 2.42 C / 2.91 C / 3.45 C
Glock 26: 2.24 C / 2.51 C / 2.88 -2 / 3.48 -2
Shield(1): 2.59 C / 2.72 C / 3.50 C / 3.72 C
Shield(2): 2.48 C / 2.65 C / 2.98 C / 3.83 -1
Sig P290: 2.82 -1 / 3.10 C / 4.16 -2 / 4.62 -1
SAI XDs: 2.81 C / 2.94 -1 / 3.30 -1 / 3.76 C
SR LC9: 3.73 C / 3.61 C / 3.84 C / 4.14 -1
Kahr PM9: 2.80 C / 3.63 C / 3.23 -1 / 3.61 -1
Kahr Mk9: 3.63 C / 3.30 -1 / 3.54 C / 4.00 -1
S&W 642: 3.32 C / 3.62 C / 4.58 C / 5.31 -1

F.A.S.T.
Glock 43: 7.09 C, 10.12 T, 9.61 T
Glock 26: 6.40 C, 6.50 C, 6.83 C
Shield(1): 9.24 T, 7.08 C, 7.07 C
Shield(2): 8.82 C, 7.4 C, 7.16 C
Sig P290: 11.29, 10.89, 10.31
Kahr PM9: 10.58, 12.64, 13.1
Kahr Mk9: 10.25, 11.8, 12.58

Maintenance Notes

The gun was cleaned and lubed and the start, and periodically thereafter for consistency with other subcompact tests. Slip CLP or EWL was applied to the connector and two slide rails only.

Magazine baseplates and the locking block pin required deliberate effort to remove when new, but far less at this update. The locking block pin is no more difficult to remove than any other Glocks now. Magazines disassemble easily.

Minor finish wear on the barrel hood is apparent, and seems normal.

There is some slight smoothing of the trigger with additional shooting, though the break remains stiff.

Carry Notes

Due to the lack of G43 carry gear, an assortment for other similar guns was adapted. The gun is thin and carries easily OWB, IWB, on the ankle, on body armor, in a cargo pant side pocket, or in a front pocket. Off-body the gun also disappears and added weight to bags is negligible. Off the shelf holsters for the P239, XDs, and Shield have some compatibility to the G43 for my purposes at this point, but are not suitable for serious EDC use.

Though thin, the gun is as tall as a G26 and several others, especially when the baseplate with the finger rest is used. For pocket carriers, the size of the opening and the shooter’s hands will be critical. I found even large pockets incompatible with the G43 in my large hand unless I broke my grip significantly.

The pliable plastic OEM sport-combat holster sized for the G43 would be a terrific offering for several types of CCWers.

Shooting Notes

The G43 has stouter recoil with more rise, blast, and twist than its larger siblings. The reduction in grip surface area is obvious in the hand and especially when trying to run the gun at speed. Though more apparent than larger Glocks (inc the G26) recoil is still quite agreeable to all those who tried it.

A single stack magazine makes the grip smaller, and with it the magazine well. Reloads are easy to fumble and miss. Reloads required a significant break in my grip else the well be blocked altogether or hands and fingers be painfully pinched.

The trigger is typical Glock though a bit heavier. I found it to feel halfway between a gun equipped with a standard coil spring and connector, and a NY1. The break is quite a bit stiffer on the 43 than other models. That break was the most frequently noted attribute after its small size. Regular Glock shooters were the most negative about it, while shooters of long DA triggers were indifferent or quick to move past it.

The G43 shot to POA with all loads tried. I was able to stay within the 3” circle at 10yds with relative ease. Bullseye work at distance was more challenging as I struggled more with the trigger. A 25yd, 10-shot score on a B8 bullseye was ~70-0X. The same exercise with the G26 was 94-2X. The G43 is unforgiving of trigger press issues.

It shot well in a number of other structured exercises. I shot high passing scores on several LE quals, the Farnam basic test, Claude Werner’s 5^5, and the Hackathorn self-defense practice drill. F.A.S.T.s were poor as were the Vickers 6-6-6 drill due to reloading bobbles.

I inadvertently activated the magazine release during several 5-6 round strings. This occurred only with the finger rest magazine, presumably due to a grip shift facilitated by it. It did not occur with the flush fit magazine nor with other shooters.

I dislike finger rests on magazines in general except for their added length and grasping surface in magazine pouches. I had considered taking the dremel to these plates, but will wait for replacement mags instead.

For a time, I reversed the magazine release and used it in that position for support hand work. It was fully functional.

Ejection was generally brisk and relatively uniform. Light loads in the hands of youth and lady shooters were less so. Lightly loaded 115gr practice loads like the Federal 115 FMJ (CAL9115) occasionally ejected in different directions. This has also been seen with some of those loads in other systems as well, and is not a concern unless a stoppage occurs.

An extended 8-10rd OEM magazine would be handy.

Summary

This G43 has thus far demonstrated reliability across a broad range of loads and shooters.

Differences between the G43 and G26 are greater in the hand than on paper but depend on the task. The G26 is closer to service auto performance for me.

My most likely use for this G43 is as a loaner, test bed, and occasional BUG. In the rare event I need a gun smaller than the G17/19, the G26 meets my needs. For others, the compact size and functionality will make this a popular CCW and BUG option.

Any quirks or downsides of the G43 are likely to be beyond the interests or ability of the overwhelming majority of shooters who will buy this gun.

[MD7305]

Thanks for the write up, your reports are well done.

[Al T.]

What an excellent write up! Thanks!

[LSP552]

Thanks for the review!

[rauchman]

Excellent review. Thank you!

[GJM]

Excellent.

Did you keep track of your reload times with the 43 -- didn't see them listed. I haven't reloaded on the clock yet, and wonder how much slower the 43 will be to a 26 with a 19 sized mag.

[Savage Hands]

Excellent write up!

[psalms144.1]

Excellent work, as always. I found my own experience regarding accurate shooting at distance with the G43 mirrors your observations. Not sure if a Ghost connector is in order or not, more to follow.

[RoyGBiv]

Thanks! Very timely and very much appreciated.

[SamAdams]

Outstanding write up - thank you.

The more I read such reports, the more I lean toward the G26 for my own carry needs and XL glove sized hands.
That, or have a G19's grip chopped to G26 length for certain NPE situations.

[psalms144.1]

Outstanding write up - thank you.

The more I read such reports, the more I lean toward the G26 for my own carry needs and XL glove sized hands.
That, or have a G19's grip chopped to G26 length for certain NPE situations.I have all of those (less the "chopped" G19). My G19 is on my hip as a primary carry gun (plain clothes duty), my G26 is on my ankle, my G43 is in the safe at home.

I can see the G43 coming out to play as a pocket carry pistol to back up either the G19 or G26 for hot weather - otherwise I mainly bought it to tick off my chain of command by adding ANOTHER authorized personal weapon to my "letter..."

And, again, we come back to "what is NPE." If by NPE you mean you have to carry with absolute discretion, with strict dress code (no untucked shirts, no vests, no jacket), I think the G43 makes a lot of sense in a tuckable IWB or AIWB holster. For me, NPE means wanting to avoid hassle from my local PD brothers and sisters, so my concealment requirements are a lot more "casual" than yours - even IF I got "made," a 10 second discussion and production of badge/credentials will smooth things over...

Regards,

Kevin

[JB326]

Glad to see so many good reports... Mine is on its way back to GA for a check up. The trigger will not reset unless light pressure is maintained against the trigger. Also the locking block pin is immovable, short of using mjolnor, which I do not have access to. They sent me my shipping label this AM.
I hope it returns to me as well as the one discussed here.

[JBP55]

Glad to see so many good reports... Mine is on its way back to GA for a check up. The trigger will not reset unless light pressure is maintained against the trigger. Also the locking block pin is immovable, short of using mjolnor, which I do not have access to. They sent me my shipping label this AM.
I hope it returns to me as well as the one discussed here.

The pin is easily removed by pressing down on the slide stop near the locking block then pushing the pin out.

[Little Creek]

Excellent work, as always. I found my own experience regarding accurate shooting at distance with the G43 mirrors your observations. Not sure if a Ghost connector is in order or not, more to follow.

I have installed the Ghost connector in my two G43 pistols, first one (shot reliably), then the other (also shot reliably). They claim a 3# reduction in trigger pull and I believe them.

[JBP55]

The 4 G43 edge connectors I installed brought the trigger pull in line with other Gen 4 Glocks and did not reduce the trigger pull anywhere near 3 pounds.

[Mr_White]

Thanks for the report Skintop911! Very informative.

[rwa]

Excellent write up. I have a G26 and a Shield in addition to the G23. I wouldn't sell either just to buy the G23. I agree the G26 is easier to run at speed,( for me because of the wider grip and a better trigger). Still, I am going to keep the G23 and add a Ghost connector. I notice Ghost sells two connectors. Any of you try both?

[ST911]

UPDATE

+112rds yesterday. Added two new loads and 1 new shooter to the list. No malfunctions. Able to stay well under 3 sec on D5s, no real difference in times but shot dispersion is less with the added work. I trimmed the finger rest off the spare magazine and finished it to the flush profile. No additional magazine ejections during NSRs.

Number of shooters: 11
Cumulative round count: 1,342

Updated ammo list:


Ammunition used (26):
50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr FMJ (BHA brass)
50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr GDHP +P (Starline brass)
30rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (Win brass)
100rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (BHA brass)
60rds Black Hills Ammunition 124gr JHP-XTP +P (BHA brass)

26rds Federal 100gr RHT lead free frangible
50rds Federal 115 FMJ (aluminum case)
50rds Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
50rds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok
*100rds Federal 147gr JHP
50rds Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok
50rds Speer Lawman 147 TMJ
62rds American Eagle 115 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 147 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 124gr FMJ
50rds CCI Blazer Brass 115 FMJ

50rds Corbon 115gr FMJ (Starline brass)
40rds Corbon 100gr +P Pow’RBall62rds PMC Bronze 115 FMJ

50rds Freedom Munitions 115 FMJ
50rds Herters-Tula 115 FMJ (steel case)
50rds Winchester Mk254 Mod 0 Frangible
46rds Remington 100gr Disintegrator lead free frangible
*16rds International Cartridge Company 100gr lead free frangible
50rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ
50rds Remington UMC 147 FMJ

[Little Creek]

Please excuse my ignorance. What are D5s? Thanks.

[Sigfan26]

How do you remove the slide lock lever?

[psalms144.1]

How do you remove the slide lock lever?Field strip. Place pressure on the trigger pin with your GLOCK tool, then press down on the slide lock lever towards where it interfaces with the pin. A little dab'll do ya - and the pin should start to move.

Regards,

Kevin

[Sigfan26]

Field strip. Place pressure on the trigger pin with your GLOCK tool, then press down on the slide lock lever towards where it interfaces with the pin. A little dab'll do ya - and the pin should start to move.

Regards,

Kevin

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I mean this part.

[Sigfan26]

Field strip. Place pressure on the trigger pin with your GLOCK tool, then press down on the slide lock lever towards where it interfaces with the pin. A little dab'll do ya - and the pin should start to move.

Regards,

Kevin

That is the slide stop that you are referring to, not the lock

[ST911]

How do you remove the slide lock lever?

Look at the (installed) slide lock lever from the top. In the middle, you'll see a circle in the frame that's about the size of the GI armorer's tool. The lever splits that circle. A small punch can be inserted to compress the coil spring enough to push the slide lock out.

[zml342]

Please excuse my ignorance. What are D5s? Thanks.

Skintop, correct me if I'm wrong: D5s are Draw/Fire 5 shots.

[Little Creek]

Skintop, correct me if I'm wrong: D5s are Draw/Fire 5 shots.

Thanks, sometimes I have a "senior moment" and cannot see the obvious.

[JHC]

Thanks, sometimes I have a "senior moment" and cannot see the obvious.

I didn't recognize D5 either. But then looking at the times I just supposed. I wish the standard Bill Drill were just 5. It would suit working through a box of ammo with more reps and even balance for my OCD.

[zml342]

I wish the standard Bill Drill were just 5. It would suit working through a box of ammo with more reps and even balance for my OCD.

I typically start a range session with a D5 instead of a Bill Drill for this exact reason.

[breakingtime91]

I typically start a range session with a D5 instead of a Bill Drill for this exact reason.

I am honestly going back to doing a D5 instead of a bill for similar reasons..

[JHC]

Lol I thought it was just me LOL

[Skyviking]

I found it interesting that the drill times for the G43 and G26 were significantly lower than the M&P Shield.

[LostDuke]

Thank you, very interesting review and congratulations also on the amount of data you collect.

Do you have any experience with the PPS? Enough to compare the two perhaps?

[ST911]

UPDATE 05/21/15

+70rds today, trying out some 3-6-9 drills from the Vickers class this weekend. The rough G43 trigger has helped with my G17 trigger management. Another 20rds of my BHA TAC-XP carry ammo makes 150 total, GTG for life support. 50 more rounds of the 9MS helps rule out the gun/ammo, and validates previous observation of a shooter issue with that load. No problems today.

Number of shooters: 11
Cumulative round count: 1,412

UPDATE 05/30/15

+121rds today. The youngest shooter is now 11yo and the least experienced of the 12 total. During basic marksmanship exercises he was able to keep all rounds in a 3" circle out to 5 yds, and managed the gun pretty well. While shooting, he had some out of battery light strikes like those reported earlier. I was unable to replicate them even when holding the gun with v-blocks and minimally gripping the gun so I'm going to attribute those to the shooter.

Picked up several odds and ends for ammo to add to the list in upcoming range sessions.

Number of shooters: 12
Cumulative round count: 1,533

UPDATE 06/04/15

+200rds today, adding 18 shooters and two new loads during a demo session of CCW guns. One 14yo girl had the same out of battery light strike discussed earlier, as well as a stovepipe.

Number of shooters: 30
Cumulative round count: 1,733

UPDATE 06/07/15

+270rds today. Ran some drills for comparison data to other subcompacts, which I'll get into a postable format and put up later. 100+ rounds of one handed shooting. Despite some struggle with the hard break on the trigger (vs. other Gs), the short OAL helps the gun point and shoot easily SHO and WHO. Also did some low light and flashlight work. Muzzle flash was less than expected. With the short, narrow slide I felt like I had to hunt a bit more for the sight picture I wanted. Muzzle flash was less than expected. No new shooters, no malfunctions. With the session today, we've now reached the 2k milestone.

Number of shooters: 30
Cumulative round count: 2,003

Updated ammo list:


Ammunition used (28):
*404rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr FMJ (BHA brass)
50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr GDHP +P (Starline brass)
30rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (Win brass)
120rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (BHA brass)
60rds Black Hills Ammunition 124gr JHP-XTP +P (BHA brass)

26rds Federal 100gr RHT lead free frangible
100rds Federal 115 FMJ (aluminum case)
50rds Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
50rds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok
*150rds Federal 147gr JHP
50rds Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok
50rds Speer Lawman 147 TMJ
62rds American Eagle 115 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 147 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 124gr FMJ
50rds CCI Blazer Brass 115 FMJ

100rds Corbon 115gr FMJ (Starline brass)
40rds Corbon 100gr +P Pow’RBall

50rds Magtech 115 FMC
50rds Herters (S&B) 115 FMJ
62rds PMC Bronze 115 FMJ
87rds Freedom Munitions 115 FMJ
50rds Herters-Tula 115 FMJ (steel case)
50rds Winchester Mk254 Mod 0 Frangible
46rds Remington 100gr Disintegrator lead free frangible
*16rds International Cartridge Company 100gr lead free frangible
50rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ
50rds Remington UMC 147 FMJ

[ST911]

I found it interesting that the drill times for the G43 and G26 were significantly lower than the M&P Shield.

I attribute that mostly to familiarity. A M&P-focused colleague can run them quickly, and well.


Thank you, very interesting review and congratulations also on the amount of data you collect.

Do you have any experience with the PPS? Enough to compare the two perhaps?

No experience to speak of. I would like to wring one out like I did with this G43 and the Shield(s).

[Cool Breeze]

how do you like the g43 compared to the shield?

[ST911]

how do you like the g43 compared to the shield?

For me, G43 over the Shield. Expanding the list, G26 over the G43.

[Cool Breeze]

For me, G43 over the Shield. Expanding the list, G26 over the G43.
Any particular reasons why for both comparisons? I have a G26 now and want something slimmer - I love my g26 but I just find myself in situations I need something slimmer....not sure if it is going to be a g43 or shield.

[ST911]

Any particular reasons why for both comparisons? I have a G26 now and want something slimmer - I love my g26 but I just find myself in situations I need something slimmer....not sure if it is going to be a g43 or shield.

The Shield(s) didn't work out for me, and would've required some adaptation once function was worked out.

I can run the G26 more consistently and aggressively than the G43, and don't need any further size reduction. The G43 is GTG, just smaller and more compromise than I need.

[LSP972]

The Shield(s) didn't work out for me...

Neither me, although I feel I could have learned to adapt to it with more time on the gun. As is fond of being quoted around here… to me, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze.

The G43 will be interesting to work with. I have shot one, but just a quick'n'dirty fam-fire deal with JPB55's pistol, so I really cannot make any judgements based on that. But the wife "won" a new Glock recently, doesn't care anything about Glocks, so I get to choose and will have one directly to examine a bit more closely.

I'm curious to see if the G43 squirms in my hand like the Shield does. That's what turned me off to the Shield; I wasn't getting ANY consistency on follow-up shots.

Something that LSP552 said a long time ago caught my attention, and has been my "guiding light", so to speak, ever since… "I won't carry anything I'm not willing to start a fight with."

What he meant, of course, harkens back as far as Ruark- and farther… i.e., carry enough gun. And it makes sense on many levels for a working cop or armed citizen who is serious about it.

But now… ah, yes, now. We're older, slower, and most importantly, no longer in the line of fire. Plus, he is still constrained by a dress code, and the professional circles he runs in now would become faint if they knew he was "packing". I don't have that problem, but the bulk and weight of a "serious" piece has begun to bother me enough to re-consider that dictum. Summers here are truly miserable times, and the older I get the less tolerance for heat and humidity I have.

The Shield really appealed to me. The G43 seems to be nearly identical in size and weight; it might be just the compromise I have been looking for, but have been unable to find so far. OTOH, it doesn't seem THAT much smaller and lighter than a G26… at any rate, I'll find out. For my needs/wants, that is.

Sorry for the philosophical wanderings..

.

[ST911]

I'm curious to see if the G43 squirms in my hand like the Shield does. That's what turned me off to the Shield; I wasn't getting ANY consistency on follow-up shots.

I think you'll find some squirm, as there is only so much grip to get a solid anchor on. Comparing grip between the G43 and Shield though, one thing stood out to me almost immediately. The G43 doesn't have the same long-oval feel of the Shield. I find the G43 more agreeable in feel and stable in the hand as a result. A few others have commented on it as well.


Something that LSP552 said a long time ago caught my attention, and has been my "guiding light", so to speak, ever since… "I won't carry anything I'm not willing to start a fight with."

What he meant, of course, harkens back as far as Ruark- and farther… i.e., carry enough gun. And it makes sense on many levels for a working cop or armed citizen who is serious about it.

If we apply the Givens, Werner, et al bell curve concept... The G43 is statistically "enough." The 26 (and up) is more options.


The Shield really appealed to me. The G43 seems to be nearly identical in size and weight; it might be just the compromise I have been looking for, but have been unable to find so far. OTOH, it doesn't seem THAT much smaller and lighter than a G26… at any rate, I'll find out. For my needs/wants, that is.

Sorry for the philosophical wanderings..


Thanks for your thoughts, they're value-added. Do add your observations on the G43 when you've worked with it.

[LSP972]

The G43 doesn't have the same long-oval feel of the Shield.

Yes! That's EXACTLY my impression.

And it sounds like somebody besides myself has gone down the "oval, long oval, or extra-long oval???" uniform hat wormhole…:D

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[JHC]

Yes! That's EXACTLY my impression.

And it sounds like somebody besides myself has gone down the "oval, long oval, or extra-long oval???" uniform hat wormhole…:D

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The sexy in the hand feeling curves and ovals - almost seduced me once. I prefer squarish "2x4" angles for locking in consistently all the time and through manipulations.

[MVS]

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If we apply the Givens, Werner, et al bell curve concept... The G43 is statistically "enough." The 26 (and up) is more options.



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I have never thought of the enough gun concept as only having enough ammo, but also being proficient enough with that gun. People who carry a j frame may very well have enough ammo for most encounters, but if they can't hit the broad side of the barn with it then it still doesn't fit the concept. (Wait a minute, I guess they don't have enough ammo then, D'oh.)

[LSP972]

If we apply the Givens, Werner, et al bell curve concept... The G43 is statistically "enough."

Has Tom changed his mind? I clearly remember him saying at dinner one night (after being asked why he was carrying a G-35), that he had been a dyed-in-the-wool 1911 guy for many years. But the 1911 was a "two-bad-guy-gun"… referring to ammunition capacity and the fact that it can take 3 or 4 handgun rounds to neutralize a threat… and these days, one needs a "three-bad-guy-gun".

Last I heard, even with those feloniously over-priced Taranis (?) mag extenders, the G-43 carries 9 rounds, tops… making it a "two-bad-guy-gun".

What is the real funny thing about all of this is (to me, anyway) is how most of these instructors ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room… and that would be… caliber. I know for a fact that Tom and Tiger McKee try to avoid caliber discussions at any cost, because it NEVER ends well. But neither one is carrying the Euro-Pellet, for what that is worth…:D

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[MVS]

Has Tom changed his mind? I clearly remember him saying at dinner one night (after being asked why he was carrying a G-35), that he had been a dyed-in-the-wool 1911 guy for many years. But the 1911 was a "two-bad-guy-gun"… referring to ammunition capacity and the fact that it can take 3 or 4 handgun rounds to neutralize a threat… and these days, one needs a "three-bad-guy-gun".

Last I heard, even with those feloniously over-priced Taranis (?) mag extenders, the G-43 carries 9 rounds, tops… making it a "two-bad-guy-gun".

What is the real funny thing about all of this is (to me, anyway) is how most of these instructors ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room… and that would be… caliber. I know for a fact that Tom and Tiger McKee try to avoid caliber discussions at any cost, because it NEVER ends well. But neither one is carrying the Euro-Pellet, for what that is worth…:D

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You are right about Tom. I think what Skintop was talking about though was using the stats those gentlemen have tabulated to show that most of the time a low round count gun can get you by. I could be wrong, that is just how I took it.

[GJM]

I prioritize small size only for concealment considerations, not comfort.

Seems like 6 or 7+1 ought to suffice for most needs, but in that we carry for what is already an outlier, it seems like more capability is generally an advantage.

[ST911]

You are right about Tom. I think what Skintop was talking about though was using the stats those gentlemen have tabulated to show that most of the time a low round count gun can get you by. I could be wrong, that is just how I took it.

Yes, that's what I meant. Likelihood of even having to shoot, then having to shoot much, or far, etc etc.

[LSP972]

Yes, that's what I meant. Likelihood of even having to shoot, then having to shoot much, or far, etc etc.

Okay, got that. Taking odds, IOW. And while I don't totally disagree with that approach, I know me… and _I_ will be the one faced with four thugs at bad breath distance. Or the guy across the parking lot with an AK, and me with no genuine cover nearby.

Whatever… at some point in the not-so-distant future, I'm going to have to start carrying something smaller and lighter. That's an unavoidable fact.

The S&W 242 is looking better and better…:(

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[ST911]

UPDATE

+70rds today, played with some turners, but bored quickly and decided to stop. Add a new load to the list, no malfunctions.

Number of shooters: 30
Cumulative round count: 2,073

Updated ammo list:


Ammunition used (29):
*404rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr FMJ (BHA brass)
50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr GDHP +P (Starline brass)
30rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (Win brass)
120rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (BHA brass)
60rds Black Hills Ammunition 124gr JHP-XTP +P (BHA brass)

26rds Federal 100gr RHT lead free frangible
100rds Federal 115 FMJ (aluminum case)
50rds Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
50rds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok
*150rds Federal 147gr JHP
50rds Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok
70rds Speer Lawman 124 TMJ
50rds Speer Lawman 147 TMJ
62rds American Eagle 115 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 147 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 124gr FMJ
50rds CCI Blazer Brass 115 FMJ

100rds Corbon 115gr FMJ (Starline brass)
40rds Corbon 100gr +P Pow’RBall

50rds Magtech 115 FMC
50rds Herters (S&B) 115 FMJ
62rds PMC Bronze 115 FMJ
87rds Freedom Munitions 115 FMJ
50rds Herters-Tula 115 FMJ (steel case)
50rds Winchester Mk254 Mod 0 Frangible
46rds Remington 100gr Disintegrator lead free frangible
*16rds International Cartridge Company 100gr lead free frangible
50rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ
50rds Remington UMC 147 FMJ

[LSP972]

I have a bit over 100 rounds (all FMJ so far) through mine now; with only two six round magazines, the going is slow. I'm going to order some more, and get with JBP55 and check out his Taran +2 base plates.

The trigger on mine is pretty miserable, but despite that the little pistol shoots quite easily. I have a problem with every other Glock model; my finger drags along the inside bottom of the trigger guard, and soon becomes irritated and eventually painful. And so it is the same with the G43. When I get my second one, I am going to attack this one with the dreaded Dremel, to thin the lower trigger guard (from the inside) and relieve the trigger guard/front strap juncture to get my hand a bit higher on the gun. I have done these two mods to three G19s, and it makes quite a bit of positive difference for me, in the way the pistol handles along with no more sore finger tip.

IOW, my initial positive reaction to shooting JBP55's G43 has been verified with my own G43. I think Glock pretty much gave us what we have been asking for with this one. Not sure what I'm going to do about sights just yet; I happen to be one of those odd-balls who actually likes the issue sight configuration… although I know that relying on plastic sights is rolling the dice. Probably going to skip any trits on this one; I put it in the same category as a J frame. That is, I'm not going to try and make a 50-yard pistol out of it, and anything I can ID in dim light at close range should be "hittable". Yeah, I know… lots of faith in that thought. But I'm getting old, cranky, and just not as concerned with some details as I used to be.

Does anyone even offer metal sights duplicating the issued plastic ones?

And SkinTop911, you were absolutely correct; the G43 grip is, without doubt, more "agreeable and stable" than the Shield was, for me. While I can get a full grip with the flat base plate, that finger groove plate feels like it was made just for me.

Good thing I binge-loaded plenty of Euro Pellet not long ago…

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[S Jenks]

Does anyone even offer metal sights duplicating the issued plastic ones?



http://www.glockstore.com/glock-factory-parts/sights

Not pimping Glockstore, they just were the top of the search results.

[LSP972]

That's Lenny Magill's business, right? I remember that guy when he was running around the Bianchi Cup with a video camera, hustling... never mind.

The front sight on my G43 appears to be "standard", but the rear sight is definitely different (and bit more narrow, a bit taller). I'm seeing the area Glock rep today; maybe he has some scoop on this subject.

Thanks, S Jenks. Looks like I need to brush up on my Glock-fu.

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[LSP972]

BTW, forgot to mention; I have found what may be a 'tactical oops' with this little critter. Its hard to do this without pics, but I'll try.

The magazines have a slight taper at the top; from the feed lips down just under a half inch. Also, the magazines are not a precise fit in the well; you can twist the mag slightly in the well. When inserting a magazine at speed, if you torque the fresh magazine ever so slightly to the right (as viewed from the top of the pistol, muzzle away from you), the upper right edge of the magazine, in front of and slightly below the feed lips, will hit the magazine catch inside the mag well and stop; period. You have to start over, or sometimes twisting the mag back "straight" will allow it to fully seat.

It looks like they anticipated this, because the area in question is slightly relieved; just not enough. But the only way I see to totally prevent this is to remove material from the area... and there isn't much there to begin with.

Deal breaker? I don't think so, but you need to be aware of it. I haven't seen any reference to this yet, so at first I thought it was just me... until a buddy called me to ask about it last night. Its happening to him as well. Not constantly, for either of us, but often enough to notice it.

Hopefully, more time on the gun will solve the issue. However, I already see some gouging of the polymer material there, and that could possibly exacerbate the issue- so, be aware.

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[JBP55]

BTW, forgot to mention; I have found what may be a 'tactical oops' with this little critter. Its hard to do this without pics, but I'll try.

The magazines have a slight taper at the top; from the feed lips down just under a half inch. Also, the magazines are not a precise fit in the well; you can twist the mag slightly in the well. When inserting a magazine at speed, if you torque the fresh magazine ever so slightly to the right (as viewed from the top of the pistol, muzzle away from you), the upper right edge of the magazine, in front of and slightly below the feed lips, will hit the magazine catch inside the mag well and stop; period. You have to start over, or sometimes twisting the mag back "straight" will allow it to fully seat.

It looks like they anticipated this, because the area in question is slightly relieved; just not enough. But the only way I see to totally prevent this is to remove material from the area... and there isn't much there to begin with.

Deal breaker? I don't think so, but you need to be aware of it. I haven't seen any reference to this yet, so at first I thought it was just me... until a buddy called me to ask about it last night. Its happening to him as well. Not constantly, for either of us, but often enough to notice it.

Hopefully, more time on the gun will solve the issue. However, I already see some gouging of the polymer material there, and that could possibly exacerbate the issue- so, be aware.

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This issue, fixes and the revised magazines have been discussed for a while on GT.

[LSP972]

Yeah, I guess I should brush up on my Google-fu too; I was informed at lunch that this is a well-known issue.

Sigh...

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[abu fitna]

I have run about 700 rounds through a recent build 43. Fed reliably also a pretty wide assortment of ammo types - Tula, S&B, Blazer, Remington, Winchester, American Eagle 115gr; Herter's TNJ (nyclad) 115gr; Remington 147gr; as well as Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P; Federal HST 124 gr +P; and Georgia Arms loading of the Gold Dot 115 gr to +P+ (out of a batch lying around from years ago testing).

The magazine hang up is a periodic issue, and will need to be corrected. Trijicon HD sights work well as always.

Trigger is heavier than most other Glocks, as others have noted. Crisp, though - hopefully smooths down with use.

Have a bit of slide bite with the 19 between thumb and forefinger, but the 43 really chewed up the knuckle of the thumb. I guess it is inevitable that we will see how the finish reacts to blood over time (grin).

Having run both the PPS and Shield at various points in time, this is what I would have expected from the Glock. Objectively, very similar envelope but subjectively seems to tuck away a bit smaller than either - but we are talking very small differences. The magazines improve a bit on the PPS, but I prefer the Shield magazine for sure over the Glock.

Subjectively, I find that despite a strong preference for full size Glocks over M&P (due if nothing else to having carried the former for a long time), the Shield is more "shootable" and provides a more "fightable" gun for the envelope. Seems to be a little more forgiving of small user error. Of course, this means I need to run the 43 quite a bit more then to get the kind of consistency I expect from myself....

[abu fitna]

Up to 1500 rounds through. Started out of the box, no lube other than factory copper. Have not cleaned or lubed since.

Additional ammo types tested (in addition to prior list): Hornady Critical Defense 115gr JHP; Hornady Critical Duty 135gr JHP; Federal Personal Defense 135gr JHP; Federal HST 124gr standard pressure; Federal 9BPLE 115gr +P+; Winchester 124gr NATO spec FMJ; and Federal Nyclad 124gr JHP (last of the old stuff at the bottom of the stacks).

As always, all additional ammo selection dictated by whatever oddities I happened to have on hand - no rhyme nor reason other than this, so don't be insulted if your favorite load is not listed.

The weapon runs fine thus far. Shooter induced stoppage on 3 occasions, where magazine release was depressed attempting to establish strong non-dominant hand surface contact with grip frame for recoil control, causing failure to feed. This is not something I count against the weapon, only my fighting with the thing to correct a grip issue that was causing dropped shots in longer strings. (It has taken me more than a bit to get used to the little thing, especially when transitioning back to it from running the 19 for a while.)

One dead primer on Tula fodder, very solid primer impact noted. Round did not fire when tested in a proven Glock 19 either. Unsurprising given typical Russian (lack of) QC.

[ST911]

UPDATE

+92rds since the update above. No new loads. Added six new shooters, 2 men, 3 women, one 8yo boy with no previous shooting experience. 8yo is now the youngest shooter. One failure to return to battery with a lady shooter new to handguns, 1/10 rounds fired. All others, no malfunctions. Another lady shooter noted that she preferred her G26 to the G43. Primary reasons were preference for the larger grip area, and less muzzle rise.

Number of shooters: 36
Cumulative round count: 2,165

Updated ammo list:


Ammunition used (29):
*496rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr FMJ (BHA brass)
50rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr GDHP +P (Starline brass)
30rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (Win brass)
120rds Black Hills Ammunition 115gr TAC-XP +P (BHA brass)
60rds Black Hills Ammunition 124gr JHP-XTP +P (BHA brass)

26rds Federal 100gr RHT lead free frangible
100rds Federal 115 FMJ (aluminum case)
50rds Federal Champion 115gr FMJ
50rds Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok
*150rds Federal 147gr JHP
50rds Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok
70rds Speer Lawman 124 TMJ
50rds Speer Lawman 147 TMJ
62rds American Eagle 115 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 147 FMJ
50rds American Eagle 124gr FMJ
50rds CCI Blazer Brass 115 FMJ

100rds Corbon 115gr FMJ (Starline brass)
40rds Corbon 100gr +P Pow’RBall

50rds Magtech 115 FMC
50rds Herters (S&B) 115 FMJ
62rds PMC Bronze 115 FMJ
87rds Freedom Munitions 115 FMJ
50rds Herters-Tula 115 FMJ (steel case)
50rds Winchester Mk254 Mod 0 Frangible
46rds Remington 100gr Disintegrator lead free frangible
*16rds International Cartridge Company 100gr lead free frangible
50rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ
50rds Remington UMC 147 FMJ

[abu fitna]

My example is now up to 2600 rounds fired total - still not cleaned in any way; same ammunition types as before with only the addition of sinterfire 9mm frangible.

3 additional stoppages beyond those reported before. Both related to failure to fully seat the small magazine, allowing first round to chamber but subsequent rounds failed to feed. I continue to attribute these to shooter error, although they are a more pronounced error with one magazine over others.

Have run Taran Tactical +2 extension on a magazine for some time with no issues in hundreds of rounds through that particular magazine, using unmodified factory spring. Additional weight of magazine is less than ideal for such a light platform, but the thing is rock solid. Carried for reload purposes the difference is less noticed than if carried as primary magazine seated in weapon in pocket holster or vest holster. Not really an issue when used in a belt holster, although if wearing only lightest clothing (gym shorts, etc.) the weight can tip over into the less than ideal range (compared to the air weight j frame, for example). I will note disassembly of the Glock 43 magazine is painfully difficult for no apparent reason... actually bent a Glock armorer's tool trying to pry the baseplate off one.

Wish there was a factory OEM mag option for 7/8 rounds. There appears to be no reason this would not work (though others may see something I do not).

Total have had only about nine folks other than myself run the thing briefly for fam fire. No malfunctions for these shooters, but they were not running hard by any means.

Trigger has smoothed down some subjectively, but still very heavy in comparison to other Glocks.

[JBP55]

I had no problems installing the TTI bases on G43 magazines for several pistols. What was the issue with yours?

[KVDT]

I just picked up a 43, what's a good IWB and AIWB holster for them? I haven't had time to search the forums lately. Thanks

[JBP55]

I just picked up a 43, what's a good IWB and AIWB holster for them? I haven't had time to search the forums lately. Thanks

Silk Custom Kydex makes a good holster at a fair price with quick shipping.

[LSP552]

I will be picking up my 43 on Monday..:)

Guess it's time to order thoses TTI Base Pads.

[LSP972]

Guess it's time to order thoses TTI Base Pads.

Call me before you do; I need to get off the dime and start working with this puppy. I'll order some too and split shipping with you.

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[LSP552]

Call me before you do; I need to get off the dime and start working with this puppy. I'll order some too and split shipping with you.

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Will do. Looking forward to some work with the little beast.

[Little Creek]

Anyone tried the Tango Down magazine release or slide lock for the G43?

[Kyle Reese]

Tempted to trade in my 42 and pick up a 43. Might even offer a package deal.

[breakingtime91]

Tempted to trade in my 42 and pick up a 43. Might even offer a package deal.

After shooting my wife's shield, I want a g43.

[StraitR]

After shooting my wife's shield, I want a g43.

Interesting, I'm curious as to why? I also prefer the 43, due to overall size, ergos, controls (standard Glock placement/size), and trigger, but I do feel like the Shield is a softer shooter. The only lingering issue with my 43 is fine tuning trigger finger placement, as the shorter LOP has me still experimenting. The Shield is a little longer LOP and trigger finger placement is more in line with a full size pistol, for my hands anyway.

[breakingtime91]

Interesting, I'm curious as to why? I also prefer the 43, due to overall size, ergos, controls (standard Glock placement/size), and trigger, but I do feel like the Shield is a softer shooter. The only lingering issue with my 43 is fine tuning trigger finger placement, as the shorter LOP has me still experimenting. The Shield is a little longer LOP and trigger finger placement is more in line with a full size pistol, for my hands anyway.

It would be a back up to my g19 and I will spend little time training with it, so I want it as close as possible. When I pick up a shield it feels weird, when I pick upa g43 it feels natural. This may be becausei only havea g19 right now and is wherei spend all my time/shooting

[Up1911Fan]

Anyone tried the Tango Down magazine release or slide lock for the G43?

I have both and prefer them to the stock parts. Have them on all of my G17's as well.

[Little Creek]

I have both and prefer them to the stock parts. Have them on all of my G17's as well.
Thanks, The one aftermarket part I have installed is a Ghost Edge connector. I like it so much I put it in one G42 and all 3 of my G43s. Actually one of the G43s belongs to my wife.

[StraitR]

It would be a back up to my g19 and I will spend little time training with it, so I want it as close as possible. When I pick up a shield it feels weird, when I pick upa g43 it feels natural. This may be becausei only havea g19 right now and is wherei spend all my time/shooting

Makes sense to me. I shot and carried one 19 or another for almost 10 years before switching platforms last December, so I think this is what shapes my preference towards the 43 as well. Familiarity lends itself to confidence, even if merely a placebo effect.

[LSP972]

FWIW, GT Distributors in Texas has G43 magazines reasonably priced; $22 for the flat floorplate, $29 for extended. So you don't have to buy from rape artistes like good old Lenny Magill.

I just ordered some, spoke with Abe Herrara, he advised they have plenty.

800.775.5996

The more I handle and shoot this pistol, the more I'm liking it. My sciatic nerve is beginning to cause me issues, and I'm pretty sure its at least partly due to IWB carry @ 3:00 impinging on my aging ass. So my year-long search for smaller/lighter is about to acquire a sense of urgency, I suspect.

Right now, aside from the Taran +2 baseplates, my plan is to leave the piece bone-stock. As one of the one-in-two-thousand tards who actually LIKES the stock Glock sights (I can see 'em), they are doing fine during these preliminary work-ups. I might go with a set of the AmeriGlos down the road, though. I'm sure LSP552 will have a set of those on his, so I'll get to test-drive before buying.

The trigger… yes, the trigger is pretty dismal , during dry fire/dry handling. But I simply don't notice anything bad when I shoot it. This is most definitely not a target piece (although it has a great deal of inherent accuracy), so I don't shoot it like one. I believe the guys who are installing the lighter Ghost connector are doing themselves a dis-service… particularly those who plan to carry it without a holster or covered trigger guard. But that's just me.

I briefly wrestled with the seriously-reduced capacity issue… but then recalled how many times, back in the day, I sallied forth off-duty with nothing more than a J frame and a Speed Strip… and never gave it a second thought.

So… FIDO.

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[LSP552]

Picked up my 43 today and ordered some spare mags form GT Distributors. The trigger on mine isn't bad, just slightly heavier than my larger Glocks. More to follow....

[LSP552]

I had the my 1st range trip with the 43 today and put 250 rounds down range. These were a mix of Federal and Win ball, ball duplicate reloads and 50 rounds of 124+P Gold Dots. There were no function issues.

I like the little pistol and it's really just a smaller version of the other 9mm Glocks. The larger size up from the 42 is a better fit for my XL size hands and the gun is controllable but followup shots are slower. I was at an indoor range and didn't have the timer, but there is a definitely difference between the large guns, as expected, no surprise there.

I'm still experimenting with my grip and trigger finger placement. I'm using a little more finger than normal for me on the larger Glocks. This is really a function of how long my fingers are and how the little pistol fits my hand. I had no trouble stacking holes at 7 yards and making head shots at 50 feet slow fire. Rapid fire is more challenging due to the recoil and the gun does squirm a bit, especially with the +P Gold Dots.

I hate the stock Glock sights and they will be leaving soon for some Ameriglo Spartan Tacticals. The trigger is better than my 42 (now over 1,000 rounds) but a bit heavier with a more pronounced wall than my bigger Glocks.

Reloads are NOT quick and can be painful when careless. I found it very easy to reload part of my palm so I'm really looking forward to some Taran extended base plates and the mythical extended factory mags.

Plan on sticking another 250 or so down range tomorrow working on grip and recoil control.

[warpedcamshaft]

Had a student with a Glock 43 today and finally got to shoot one after class.

I liked it and I think I want one. It recoils less than I would have figured. A bit more perceived recoil for me than a Shield, but I like the 43 better than the Kahr PM9.

Glock 43 is pocket-able in my pants, where the Shield was not. It also fits small female hands very well.

[Nephrology]

It would be a back up to my g19 and I will spend little time training with it, so I want it as close as possible. When I pick up a shield it feels weird, when I pick upa g43 it feels natural. This may be becausei only havea g19 right now and is wherei spend all my time/shooting

I have a shield that I now have ~660 rounds through and usually carry glocks. Honestly, the shield (w/o safety) is just like a Glock. The trigger is a little different, granted, but not substantially so. It didn't take long before I was tearing a ragged hole at 7 yards with it. All the other controls are the same.

[BobLoblaw]

How is everyone carrying their spare mags?


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[EricP]

When I carry the 43, I use a Desantis pocket mag pouch.

[LSP972]

How is everyone carrying their spare mags?


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Not carrying it yet; still waiting on those nice metal magazine extensions.

When I get them, and start some serious work with this thing, I'll carry one eight rounder in a conventional/vertical OWB kydex pouch, and a six rounder with OEM flat floorplate horizontally off-side in an old cell phone belt case, behind my flashlight. The conventional pouch will be in front of the flashlight.

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[Up1911Fan]

I'm liking mine more and more each time I shoot it. 750 rounds through it so far, no issues. I've added the Vickers mag and slide release, a Ghost connector, Ameriglo TCAP's and TTI +1 mag extensions. This was 14 rounds of 147gr Win. Ranger Bonded fired at 15 yards firing roughly a shot per second. The first round fired after the reload is low, out of the black but on thre paper. There's 3 doubles in the group. Really happy with the performance from such a small gun!

3862

[breakingtime91]

I'm liking mine more and more each time I shoot it. 750 rounds through it so far, no issues. I've added the Vickers mag and slide release, a Ghost connector, Ameriglo TCAP's and TTI +1 mag extensions. This was 14 rounds of 147gr Win. Ranger Bonded fired at 15 yards firing roughly a shot per second. The first round fired after the reload is low, out of the black but on thre paper. There's 3 doubles in the group. Really happy with the performance from such a small gun!

3862

where did u get that target?

[Up1911Fan]

http://toyfj40.freeshell.org/GunPix/NRAtargets.html

I print them from here.

[JHC]

Anyone benchmarking on standard drills/tests against service pistols?

[LSP972]

Anyone benchmarking on standard drills/tests against service pistols?

While I understand your question, don't you think that would be a bit… unfair? A service pistol it ain't; but it IS surprisingly easy to shoot accurately. I was playing with mine at 50 yards from the barricade today, and was quite surprised at the displayed practical accuracy. IOW, I was hitting the 10" square plate easily, every time; hard-ass trigger and all.

Mine and LSP552's Taran +2 floorplates showed up today, so now we can get serious with this puppy. More to follow…


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[JHC]

I shot clean FAST Sun in 6.14 and 6.13 with a G42 albeit from an OWB G17 holster it sat in and open vest - not how we carry a tiny. Reloads tough as my thumb ruined slidelock. It's pretty sick how well these minis can be shot. I really fall off at 15+ yards although much better than its competition. The 43 might be just bigger enough to rip pretty good.

[LSP552]

I shot clean FAST Sun in 6.14 and 6.13 with a G42 albeit from an OWB G17 holster it sat in and open vest - not how we carry a tiny. Reloads tough as my thumb ruined slidelock. It's pretty sick how well these minis can be shot. I really fall off at 15+ yards although much better than its competition. The 43 might be just bigger enough to rip pretty good.

I have a bit over 1,000 through my 42 and just over 500 with the 43, so my perceptions about the 43 are still being formed. However, the 42 is MUCH easier for me to shoot since if has almost no recoil. The 43 does squirm around a bit, but not as bad since I stuck a Talon Grip on it. LSP972 and I both will start some serious work with the little blasters once our TTI base plates come it. Will I be able to match my 17 or 19 times or hits, probably not. BUT, it may be the best thing going for small and powerful!

I'm really liking mine, but I need to replace the sights and I'm still pondering with what.

[Up1911Fan]

I have a bit over 1,000 through my 42 and just over 500 with the 43, so my perceptions about the 43 are still being formed. However, the 42 is MUCH easier for me to shoot since if has almost no recoil. The 43 does squirm around a bit, but not as bad since I stuck a Talon Grip on it. LSP972 and I both will start some serious work with the little blasters once our TTI base plates come it. Will I be able to match my 17 or 19 times or hits, probably not. BUT, it may be the best thing going for small and powerful!

I'm really liking mine, but I need to replace the sights and I'm still pondering with what.

I really like the TCAP's.

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[LSP552]

[QUOTE=Up1911Fan;349100]I really like the TCAP's. [QUOTE]

Thanks for pic. I'm a big fan of the various Ameriglo offerings. I'm probably courting death, but I'm seriously considering a set of Dawson fiber optics....

[BobLoblaw]

I wanted to get a set of TCAPs but they've been out so I went with GL-212-OR-C (ProGlo) FS and GL-383R (yellow) RS. I have HDs on my others so this is close enough and they might not draw blood on occasion like the HDs.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/b9babfdf4d6da6f968eb237167b59fa3.jpg
I did add the Ghost connector, Talon Grips, and TF +1s/+2s. The grips made a huge difference but the jury is still out on the connector. I just need Vickers mag and slide releases whenever they're back in stock and I'm done buying accessories..

For now.


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[LSP972]

[QUOTE=Up1911Fan;349100]I really like the TCAP's. [QUOTE]

Thanks for pic. I'm a big fan of the various Ameriglo offerings. I'm probably courting death, but I'm seriously considering a set of Dawson fiber optics....

C'mon, man, don't do that to me. I'm depending on you to figure out what sights are best for us; fiber optics are great when there's plenty of ambient light, and pretty much useless when there isn't. Plus they're not exactly durable, from what I've seen. The 'combo' sets (f/o + tritium) I've seen didn't impress me much.

I was thinking more along the lines of what you've got on your old G19…

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[LSP972]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/b9babfdf4d6da6f968eb237167b59fa3.jpg


Like these, Ken…

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[breakingtime91]

I messed around with a g43 today, its trigger was abysmal! It was even worst then the shield I have...

[MGW]

I messed around with a g43 today, its trigger was abysmal! It was even worst then the shield I have...

They get better quickly.

[LSP552]

I messed around with a g43 today, its trigger was abysmal! It was even worst then the shield I have...

At a bit over 500 rounds, and probably 4 times that dry fire, it's gotten much better than straight from the box. It's still heavier than my other carry Glocks, which all have the 3.5 factory connector, but it's very shootable.

Somewhere around a 1,000 I'll probably detail strip and do a bit of polish just because.

[breakingtime91]

At a bit over 500 rounds, and probably 4 times that dry fire, it's gotten much better than straight from the box. It's still heavier than my other carry Glocks, which all have the 3.5 factory connector, but it's very shootable.

Somewhere around a 1,000 I'll probably detail strip and do a bit of polish just because.

trackin, it does feel pretty nice in the hand. I think it will be an awesome gun for anyone carrying something like the g19. Especially now that it seems like a gadget for it is in the works..

[LSP552]

C'mon, man, don't do that to me. I'm depending on you to figure out what sights are best for us; fiber optics are great when there's plenty of ambient light, and pretty much useless when there isn't. Plus they're not exactly durable, from what I've seen. The 'combo' sets (f/o + tritium) I've seen didn't impress me much.

I was thinking more along the lines of what you've got on your old G19…

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I may end up there eventially. But for what I'm going to be using the little rocket for, I'm not convinced I need night sights. I know, burn the heretic.....

[LSP972]

I may end up there eventially. But for what I'm going to be using the little rocket for, I'm not convinced I need night sights. I know, burn the heretic.....

Well, actually I agree with that. I'm doing fine with the issue sights; I haven't "upgraded" them yet because we want the same thing; something HIGHLY visible that our tired old eyes can see. The tritium is just a bonus.

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[serialsolver]

Thanks for the info in this thread folks. I had written off the g43 but I'm now reconsidering it.


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[JHC]

He describes it as a "nasty shooting" gun. https://www.full30.com/video/f0302c2098b935966a064917d37e5ea5

[LSP972]

I quit watching when he indicated the Shield was better. Had one; was not impressed.

I AM impressed with the G43. The circle of life…

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[BobLoblaw]

I quit watching when he indicated the Shield was better. Had one; was not impressed.

I AM impressed with the G43. The circle of life…

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Ditto.

LAV, whattya think about the G43?
"I'd rather shoot a more shoot-able gun."
You didn't even have the 26 on the table.
"I'd carry a 19 if possible."
Uh ok.

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[Up1911Fan]

I usually agree with LAV, but feel the exact opposite. Had a Shield, to me the G43 shoot's softer.

[YVK]

Yeah, I didn't get bringing a 19 in a conversation.

Been awhile since I shot the Shield but I don't remember it cycling and returning back as well as G43 did. In other words, after I shot the Shield I said OK. After I shot G43 against my MK9, I said OK and bought a G43...

[Nephrology]

I own a shield and have enjoyed shooting it so far. However, if I shot a G43 and found it to be very compelling, I wouldn't be against buying one and flipping the shield...

[JBP55]

I Had a Shield and now Have a G43 which I Prefer.

[Cool Breeze]

I quit watching when he indicated the Shield was better. Had one; was not impressed.

I AM impressed with the G43. The circle of life…

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Ditto.

LAV, whattya think about the G43?
"I'd rather shoot a more shoot-able gun."
You didn't even have the 26 on the table.
"I'd carry a 19 if possible."
Uh ok.

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I usually agree with LAV, but feel the exact opposite. Had a Shield, to me the G43 shoot's softer.


I Had a Shield and now Have a G43 which I Prefer.

Hey all - I'm trying to figure out if I want a shield or a G43 - the price of the shield is compelling compared to the g43 but for those of you who have shot both (I haven't) - what did you like about the G43 more? Is it really more shootable than a shield. When I shot the shield - it seemed like shooting a G26 to me. I didn't notice a difference.

[L-2]

Here's a Vickers' video which I came across:
https://www.full30.com/video/f0302c2098b935966a064917d37e5ea5
He likes the Shield, has shot both, and states his reasons.

I've got the Glock 43, as I can use it for a backup at work, but not the Shield (yet I can use a S&W 642 for work, too).

[Beat Trash]

I own a couple of Shields. I have large hands with long fingers. The Shield is about as small as I can go.

My wife is smaller than I am, especially her hands. She can't effectively conceal a Shield as well as we both would like. Just a bit too large for her build and manner of dress. She likes the Glock 42. I don't like the 380 cartridge. So I bought her a Glock 43.

I was amazed at how slight the difference between the Glock 42 and the 43. Lay the two on top of each other and my first response was, "Hmm".

I spent some time dry firing the 43. The more I dry fired it, the more I fond the sweet spot for my finger placement on the gun, the more I like it. As for which one is more shootable? To me, the Shield is a bit softer shooting. But once I managed to actually get ahold of the Glock 43, it isn't that bad to shoot. My wife, with smaller hands, hasn't had issues with "shoot ability" of the Glock 43.

I can not shoot either the Shield or the Glock 43 at the same level as I can shoot a M&P9c or a Glock 19. Not to mention full sized duty guns. Not that I would expect to. But when compared to shooting my S&W 642 with +P loads or the Kahr PM9 I had for about 10 years, I can shoot the Glock 43 substantially better than both of those guns. I was shocked to see Larry Vickers comparing a Glock 43 to a Glock 19. My first thought being, "Thank you Mr. Obvious..."

I still like my Shield, but just like in Larry Vickers video comparison, I usually use the extended 8 rd magazine when shooting the Shield. This detracts from the compact concept that I use the gun for. There are times in my life when in a low threat environment, that I force myself to be ok with just a pocket gun. The Shield with the 7 rd magazine is pushing it in the cargo style of shorts I prefer. The Glock 43 is more realistic.

As for pricing, I've seen some insanely priced Glock 43's in my area. But the LEO price for the Glock 43 is only about $30-40 more than the Shield. So I would have to assume that in time, the price of the Glock 43 will settle to being closer to that of the retail price of the Shield.

[Chuck Whitlock]

For my small hands, the shield just feels to fat for/aft, as compared to the 43 or a kahr.

[LSP972]

As for pricing, I've seen some insanely priced Glock 43's in my area. But the LEO price for the Glock 43 is only about $30-40 more than the Shield. So I would have to assume that in time, the price of the Glock 43 will settle to being closer to that of the retail price of the Shield.

This isn't directed at you, BT.

I just don't get all the angst about pricing. We're not buying a frigging toaster here; its a piece of life-saving gear. But some people (and not all of them nimrods) will agonize, piss, and moan over a $50- or less- price difference. Yet another of life's little anomalies that make me realize I like people in general less and less, the older I get...

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[JHC]

This isn't directed at you, BT.

I just don't get all the angst about pricing. We're not buying a frigging toaster here; its a piece of life-saving gear. But some people (and not all of them nimrods) will agonize, piss, and moan over a $50- or less- price difference. Yet another of life's little anomalies that make me realize I like people in general less and less, the older I get...

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I deal with it thusly - once said WANT THIS GUN is locked in; any upcharge above a more economical choice is amortized across my lifetime (cause I'll never trade it/sell it right?) and the natural lifetime of my son after it's passed along. That way I see the "actual cost" of upgrading is not even pennies a day. ;)

[Cool Breeze]

This isn't directed at you, BT.

I just don't get all the angst about pricing. We're not buying a frigging toaster here; its a piece of life-saving gear. But some people (and not all of them nimrods) will agonize, piss, and moan over a $50- or less- price difference. Yet another of life's little anomalies that make me realize I like people in general less and less, the older I get...

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I understand what you are saying. That being said. This is not my first gun. I don't need this gun. I would like it to make carrying easier when concealing a G26 is a little tricky for me. If it was my first gun - maybe it wouldn't be a big deal. But it still would probably be a big deal for me as I wouldn't buy a SIG P229 for 1000 bucks when I could get a Glock 19 for for half that price or two glocks for that price. So for me its about opportunity cost. If I have a budget for guns/ammo/etc - I could get a shield and get a ton of ammo and practice. Or I could get a G43. The two guns seem very similar to me and it is not like one is not reliable so the 150+ increase is something I factor in.

[SamAdams]

I was anxious to check one out. - - Too small for my XL sized hands w/ long fingers. In a sub-compact 9mm, a G26 would work better for me. But with good carry gear a G19 works fine for me 95% of the time, so I'll just stick with that.

[jslaughter]

Just bought a 43, got it today, 110 rounds down range so far. It does have a little more felt recoil then the shield. My issue with the shield is that it's just big enough to just justify carrying a G19. The 43, is a true BUG to my G19. The smaller size of the G43 makes it more attractive than the Shield. I'm either carrying this gun as a BUG or a discreet off duty gun. I would prefer a 638 J-frame, but my job does not allow them.
I agree with LAV about the Shield being softer shooting, but it's very slight. I used to have a PM9, then the Shield, now the 43. The 43 is a perfect compromise between the PM9 and the Shield. The PM9 and Shield both served me very well, but the bullets falling out of the mags in the PM9 and the large size of the Shield made the G43 a great option. Not to mention the shield's trigger and sights suck out of the box. the G43 has horrible sights and needs Taran Tactical mag extenders. This is all subjective and I would have never left the PM9 if it weren't for the bullets falling out of the mags in my pocket, I really liked that gun.
Off duty it will be a G43 backed up by a reload and a 638.

[LSP972]

I would prefer a 638 J-frame, but my job does not allow them.
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I assume you're LE? Curious about why no J frames; IOW, the "official" reason?

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[jslaughter]

I assume you're LE? Curious about why no J frames; IOW, the "official" reason?

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Yes, LEO.
No, real reason. I think my chief looked at it from a size comparison and felt that the PM9, Shield, and 43 were small enough. He wasn't going for the easier to draw from a pocket or contact shot advantages.

We have a pretty wide open Semi Auto 9mm, .40cal, and .45 cal policy, so I really can't complain.

[BigDaddy]

I bought a G43 on a lark. Wanted something a little smaller than my G19 so I figured the 43 was it. So I take the wife out shopping one day and we decide to stop at a fast food place to grab a quick burger. I get in line and place my order. Then I go around the curve and get behind the other cars that had already placed their orders. Lo and behold what do I pull behind but a car with four thugs in it. No big deal. But all of a sudden another thug pops up out from around the corner and starts walking towards the thugs car or mine, not sure which at that point. Shoot, now all I have is my little G43 with it's seven rounds and I might soon be going up against five thugs. I suddenly feel as if I'm naked. Seven rounds and five guys. Thug number five gets in the car and nothing happens. I'm back to my G19.

[Beat Trash]

A while back Gary Roberts started a discussion titled something along the lines of, "Glock 19, the new J-Frame". The situation you just described with five thugs is an example of the idea behind his topic. In my area, thug types usually travel in numbers, usually three. If one is armed, it's a even bet that all are armed.

The Glock 43 and the M&P Shield are excellent guns, for what they are designed for. But personally, I would not want to rely on either as a primary unless I am in a low threat environment and/or I have no other option. It is too easy for me to carry and conceal a Glock 19 or even an M&P9c. I wouldn't want to go to a sub-compact as my only gun unless I had no choice.

But for the intended purpose, the Glock 43 is turning out to be an excellent choice.

[LSP552]

The Glock 43 and the M&P Shield are excellent guns, for what they are designed for. But personally, I would not want to rely on either as a primary unless I am in a low threat environment and/or I have no other option. It is too easy for me to carry and conceal a Glock 19 or even an M&P9c. I wouldn't want to go to a sub-compact as my only gun unless I had no choice.

But for the intended purpose, the Glock 43 is turning out to be an excellent choice.

That's how I see the 43. It's not going to become my primary carry gun. But, it will see use in certain environments and forms of dress. I see the 43 as my shorts and T-shirt gun instead of a J-frame in a pocket holster. It's enough thinner than a G26 to make it useful, at least for me.

[ranger]

Great thread, I agree with capacity comments. On occasion I carry a Shield 9mm because the environment or dress makes it harder to conceal my M&P FS. I enjoy the size and reduced weight of the Shield - it conceals very well IWB - but I am always reminded that I made a compromise in capacity.

[BigDaddy]

A while back Gary Roberts started a discussion titled something along the lines of, "Glock 19, the new J-Frame". The situation you just described with five thugs is an example of the idea behind his topic. In my area, thug types usually travel in numbers, usually three. If one is armed, it's a even bet that all are armed.

The Glock 43 and the M&P Shield are excellent guns, for what they are designed for. But personally, I would not want to rely on either as a primary unless I am in a low threat environment and/or I have no other option. It is too easy for me to carry and conceal a Glock 19 or even an M&P9c. I wouldn't want to go to a sub-compact as my only gun unless I had no choice.

But for the intended purpose, the Glock 43 is turning out to be an excellent choice.

You are correct but here's the thing. I WAS in a low threat enviorment. I had just purchased the gun a few days earlier and just wanted to see how it carried. I'm not sure I'm even going to keep it after that experience. It's a great little gun I really like it but as I USED to say, when I need a gun I need a gun.

[Kyle Reese]

A while back Gary Roberts started a discussion titled something along the lines of, "Glock 19, the new J-Frame". The situation you just described with five thugs is an example of the idea behind his topic. In my area, thug types usually travel in numbers, usually three. If one is armed, it's a even bet that all are armed.

The Glock 43 and the M&P Shield are excellent guns, for what they are designed for. But personally, I would not want to rely on either as a primary unless I am in a low threat environment and/or I have no other option. It is too easy for me to carry and conceal a Glock 19 or even an M&P9c. I wouldn't want to go to a sub-compact as my only gun unless I had no choice.



That's pretty much where I'm at. Aside from at the gym (where my Glock 42 goes), I'd feel at a disadvantage carrying just 6 rounds of .380 / 9mm as a matter of course. I'm giving very serious thoughts about selling / trading my 42 and picking up a 43, just simplify my pistol ammo inventory.

[GJM]

A few days ago, I ended up in a pocket carry only situation. Stuck my 43 in a JM pocket holster in my Mountain Khakis front pocket and away I went. Best pocket gun I can remember. Of course, I had my wife not too far away, with her regular blaster.

[LSP972]

You are correct but here's the thing. I WAS in a low threat enviorment. ... when I need a gun I need a gun.

Exactly. This is precisely why I am certain I have had so difficult a time convincing myself to finally put away the HK45 Compacts, great carry guns though they may be (the older I get, the weight of the gun and its ammunition has begun to bother me; painfully, at times). Still "working that out" in my little brain… I just cannot do it.

I too like my G43, and have been trying really hard to convince myself that it will be just fine as a primary EDC in my current situation. But my inner self is resisting mightily. For the past three weeks, I have going to my practice sessions normally strapped with the HK45C and spare mag. I'll shoot my 100 rounds or so of drills, then unstrap the .45 and put on the G43 goodies (same holster and mag pouch style, from the same maker). After finishing practice with it, then I'll unstrap form THAT, put the .45 stuff back on, and leave.

Yesterday, I said what the hell, loaded the G43 with Gold Dots and started to walk out of the range with it on. I got to my ride, and my head said "No. Just NO!!!" The three aborigines loping down the street snapped me back to reality. Just local fauna; that range is deep in Indian country, but these guys were no threat… right then, anyway.

I hesitate to discuss this peculiar aspect (multiple assailant prospects in our- ah - diverse population here) of concealed carry with most folks, because they usually display one of these- or similar- reactions:
1. They have no clue what I'm talking about
2. They get offended/think I'm a racist
3. They suggest I wear a trench coat and carry a shotgun on my strong side, under the arm… and are serious

So, BigDaddy's post hit me right where I live.

BTW, I hope no one sees this post as an invitation to start a caliber war. Just… don't. Thanks.:D

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[JHC]

That's pretty much where I'm at. Aside from at the gym (where my Glock 42 goes), I'd feel at a disadvantage carrying just 6 rounds of .380 / 9mm as a matter of course. I'm giving very serious thoughts about selling / trading my 42 and picking up a 43, just simplify my pistol ammo inventory.

I've toyed with the same thought but after playing FAST with the 42, I might want to shoot a 43 first. My rare occasions involving deep concealment I may just stay with the smallest. IDK.

[El Cid]

I joined the club last week and got to the range today. I'm very happy with the 43 and how it shoots. I even ran some Barnes X 115 in the +P loading. The gun was much more pleasant than I imagined. Tried out the +2 TTI base pad and it worked as advertised. It's not any longer than the OEM pinky extension.

Trijicon HD's are on the way to me, as is a TLR-6. Hard to tell from online pics but I anticipate still being able to pocket carry with the TLR-6 installed. My only gripe is the lack of OEM extended mag catches and slide stop levers. Vickers seems to be the only game in town and I don't want to give him my money if I can help it. Ghost has an extended mag catch for the 42 so I'm hoping the 43 will be next.

For me this is a BUG and will replace my snubby in pocket carry mode. The only time it would be a primary gun is in a NPE. I do find it interesting that people are uncomfortable carrying this as a primary though. How many people carried an 8+1 1911 as primary over the years? Granted it's easier to shoot a 1911 well under stress but 8+1 is still 8+1.

[LSP972]

...but 8+1 is still 8+1.

Indeed. And that's what I carry now; not a 1911, but 8+1 big bullets.

Back in the day, I sallied forth off duty with just a J frame and six extra rounds, without a second thought. That was then; this is now. Times have changed. The thugs have gotten more organized. The more experienced ones no longer rely on theft for their hardware; they can afford to buy quality weapons. Well, their friendgirl/babymomma/shack job/etc. buys it, but you get the idea. Most important, as a rule they have ZERO inhibitions against using that iron these days. Despite the attempts at massaging the numbers and reporting that crime is down, it is anything BUT "down" in much of the United States.

The veneer of civilization is getting thinner and thinner each year. Still, even with all of that, odds are the average CCW'er will never have to find out if he made the right choice for a carry piece. Personally, I buy into the old adage that says God is on the side with the heaviest artillery…;)

And no, I'm not saying the 9mm is second rate. I AM saying that, if I carry little bullets, I want a lot of them.

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[LSP552]

I LOVE my 42 and seriously like my 43. BUT, neither one of those is a primary carry gun. I believe they have their place, but their place is limited, IMO. My 42 is mostly a gym, walk/jog/drink whiskey on the back patio in my shorts gun, carried in a Dark Star clip. I'm not carrying the 43 yet, still in early testing mode (about 550+ rounds) and I haven't ordered any leather/kydex yet. The 43 is much thinner than the 26 and I believe it will give some carry options.

[BobLoblaw]

I LOVE my 42 and seriously like my 43. BUT, neither one of those is a primary carry gun. I believe they have their place, but their place is limited, IMO. My 42 is mostly a gym, walk/jog/drink whiskey on the back patio in my shorts gun, carried in a Dark Star clip. I'm not carrying the 43 yet, still in early testing mode (about 550+ rounds) and I haven't ordered any leather/kydex yet. The 43 is much thinner than the 26 and I believe it will give some carry options.

I seriously dig the 43 & DSG clip for active wear and NPE. I'm actually wearing that combo right now. I doubt I'll buy another holster aside from maybe an ankle rig and pocket holster. Going to try a half hour run and half hour row with it next week.


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[orionz06]

The thickness makes all the difference for me. Even with all of the positives of the G26 I can't see one being viable for me considering how close to a G19 it really is.


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[tanner]

Personally, I just can't get over how effortless it is to carry the 43 IWB compared to the 19. Not that the 19 is a huge chore, but with the 43 I have to double check that it is even there.

The years of sitting in a scout car wearing body armor and a bulky 20 lb belt have taken their toll. The additional comfort is much appreciated and from time to time, absolutely necessary. And like previous posters have pointed out, not many people felt under-gunned carrying the identical capacity in a 1911 (with the TTI +2s installed).

[Beat Trash]

Indeed. And that's what I carry now; not a 1911, but 8+1 big bullets.

Back in the day, I sallied forth off duty with just a J frame and six extra rounds, without a second thought. That was then; this is now. Times have changed. The thugs have gotten more organized. The more experienced ones no longer rely on theft for their hardware; they can afford to buy quality weapons. Well, their friendgirl/babymomma/shack job/etc. buys it, but you get the idea. Most important, as a rule they have ZERO inhibitions against using that iron these days. Despite the attempts at massaging the numbers and reporting that crime is down, it is anything BUT "down" in much of the United States.

The veneer of civilization is getting thinner and thinner each year. Still, even with all of that, odds are the average CCW'er will never have to find out if he made the right choice for a carry piece. Personally, I buy into the old adage that says God is on the side with the heaviest artillery…;)

And no, I'm not saying the 9mm is second rate. I AM saying that, if I carry little bullets, I want a lot of them.

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A couple of years ago when the thread about the Glock 19 being the new J-Frame was going on both in this forum and another one, I got curious about something. I had one of our crime analysts do a 90 day search of all robberies within my District of assignment. (This was during the Christmas shopping season, AKA Robbery Season). I was looking for number of suspects, and number of suspects armed with some type of firearm. The resulting average was three suspects. If one was armed, then all three were.

Fast forward to now. My city has seen an increase of shootings in an excess of 30% so far this year. This was one of the things mentioned when our Chief was terminated (Not the main reason, he needed to go). The newspaper had a large article about the increase in shootings today, discussing things our officers have known for a while. The younger thugs (13-15 years old) used to be used to perform tasks given to them by older thugs. Now the younger thugs are often the ones making the decisions. They do not hesitate to shoot. So much so that the older dope boys (25 year old range) are scared of them.

The times have definitely changed. More so within the last 2-5 years. I was hired by my agency shortly after they transitioned to 9mm's from revolvers. I carried a S&W 3913 for several years as an off-duty gun and didn't think twice about it. But those were different times and the type of threat out there was also very different.

I have zero concerns about carrying a 9mm pistol, with the right loads. But for primary off-duty carry, I want a minimum of 12 rds from a M&P9c, plus a full size spare magazine, or my Glock 19 with a spare magazine.

Where the Glock 43 will shine in my opinion is as a BUG, or for those tasks around the house like LSP552 described.

Some folks are content with a J-Frame 642 and a speed strip as a primary carry gun. Those same folks may be content with a Glock 43 and maybe a spare magazine as a primary carry gun. If they are comfortable with their choice, good for them.

But not me. My faith in my fellow man has finite limits, and as of late, those limits are rather low...

[BigDaddy]

Maybe size does matter after all. For years I carried a six shot revolver with six extra rounds and I worked some of the worst neighborhoods in my city and it worked well. Now I have a smaller weapon with one extra round and I find myself underarmed. There is something comfortable about having a bigger gun even if the capacity is the same as my smaller one I guess.

[okie john]

After a recent Ken Hackathorn class and a thread on another board, I decided to pick up a G43. I found one locally and installed Ameriglo three-dot night sights.

I haven’t shot it much, but I like it thus far. It seems to conceal well and I feel like the slimness makes it easier to shoot well than a G26. It’s only 1.02” thick as opposed to the larger Glocks at 1.18”, but Glock removed the right 0.16”. After shooting it, picking up a G17 feels like grabbing a file cabinet. If Glock made it with a 4” barrel and a 10-shot mag, then it would be a perfect duty gun for people with small hands. A .22 LR version would be cool as well.

After the first range session, I stippled the front and rear straps and painted the front sight red as I do with bigger Glocks. I’ve never shot pocket pistols well so I half expected this one to be basically a noise maker beyond 15 yards, but it holds the black on a B-8 all the way out to 50 yards with training ammo.

Haven’t had a chance to shoot it much on speed drills, but will advise as that happens.

I could see myself owning several of these.


Okie John

[StraitR]

For those looking, most base plates are back in-stock right now at Taran Tactical.


http://tarantacticalinnovations.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=44_49_81

[LSP972]

The years of sitting in a scout car wearing body armor and a bulky 20 lb belt have taken their toll.

We were still using LBE (supported by the shoulders, IOW) when I was in. But many years on the road, wearing a loaded Sam Browne duty rig in a patrol unit, is pretty much the same thing. IOW, I'm feeling the same hurt you are, and in fact have been actively searching for a small, thin 9mm to replace my bigger service piece for EDC for the past two years or so; trying this one here, that one there, never being satisfied enough with features/etc. Now that I have finally found the near-ideal (to me, anyway; if it was a DA/SA or LEM external hammer design it WOULD be perfect) candidate in the G43… I'm having second thoughts.

I have commissioned a super-thin leather mag pouch, to carry a second spare magazine, so I will continue working with the pistol for now. But I just don't know if I can bring myself to carry it as a primary…

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[StraitR]

I have commissioned a super-thin leather mag pouch, to carry a second spare magazine, so I will continue working with the pistol for now. But I just don't know if I can bring myself to carry it as a primary…



What mag pouch is it?

I was just thinking about this on the way home from work, and planned on asking anyway. So, who's using what?

I wish HSGI made a shorter (like 2/3) version of the TACO pouch. I think would work well for ccw use. They already make a belt version, but it's just too tall and swallows up shorter mags.

[BigDaddy]

One of the guys who worked where I work was involved in nine shootings and always came out on top. He never carried anything more than two 38 caliber snubs. This was in the mid to late seventies however. Maybe that's the route I should go. Two G43's. I wouldn't be that hard.

[MVS]

For those looking, most base plates are back in-stock right now at Taran Tactical.


http://tarantacticalinnovations.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=44_49_81

I really like the looks of those, but just don't think I can get past the idea of paying more for a base pad than a magazine.

[LSP552]

Now that I have finally found the near-ideal (to me, anyway; if it was a DA/SA or LEM external hammer design it WOULD be perfect) candidate in the G43… I'm having second thoughts. have commissioned a super-thin leather mag pouch, to carry a second spare magazine, so I will continue working with the pistol for now. But I just don't know if I can bring myself to carry it as a primary…

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I keep saying it's not a replacement for your HK45c or your G19s (or even a 26).........

For me, it's not just the reduced number of rounds. It's that there are fewer AND they are harder to put exactly where I want them to be. Those factors combined make it a niche gun for me, not an everyday carry. I think it's great for what it is but it would be easy to stretch it past the comfort level.

[LSP972]

What mag pouch is it?



The MP-SNGL as produced by our own Jim Ryan:


http://www.jrcholsters.com/accessories/magazine-pouches

I specified horsehide, as thin and and as light as he could make it. The guy who did my IWB kydex holster also did a super trim/slim/light kydex OWB mag pouch. It will carry the primary spare magazine at 9:00. I decided to make the second mag carrier out of leather, as it will be carried at 7:00 or so, depending on which pants I'm wearing that day; and leather will conform a bit better than the hard plastic, maybe offer less opportunity for printing, etc.

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[LSP972]

Maybe that's the route I should go. Two G43's. I wouldn't be that hard.

I had an interesting conversation a while back with a dialled-in fellow who is experimenting with that almost exactly… except he is using G42s.

Not up my alley, but you cannot say that dual-wielding is a totally moronic idea… its worked for some.;)

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[LSP972]

I keep saying it's not a replacement for your HK45c or your G19s (or even a 26).........



Yeah, but that is what I WANT it to be; common sense notwithstanding.:(

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[Whiskey_Bravo]

A few days ago, I ended up in a pocket carry only situation. Stuck my 43 in a JM pocket holster in my Mountain Khakis front pocket and away I went. Best pocket gun I can remember. Of course, I had my wife not too far away, with her regular blaster.

Would love to see what the JM pocket holster looks like. I have been looking for a good kydex pocket option. Was considering the RCS option but have always considered JM to be my go to.

[GJM]

Would love to see what the JM pocket holster looks like. I have been looking for a good kydex pocket option. Was considering the RCS option but have always considered JM to be my go to.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpshkyptcgi.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpshkyptcgi.jpeg.html)

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Much obliged sir. Thank you.

I think I may have just found my new carry rig for a back up at work.

I have to admit though.... I hate the Glock 43. I installed a set of Trijicon HD's on mine, got a JM version 3 IWB for it, and have a couple TTI +1 base pads on the way, but still don't care for it. I guess I keep trying to accessorize my way into liking it.

I finally got an extended range session with mine this past Thursday and did my PD qualifier with it. Passed with no problem but consistently had trouble setting my grip. I have XXL hands and the 43 is a bitch for me to control properly. Our qualifier is shot from carry holster. I had the V3 IWB at the 2:30 position and when I went to set my grip and draw for the first string of fire, I ended up flipping the gun forwards out of the holster and it went end over end and landed on the ground in front of me. Needless to say I will not be hearing the end of that for some time. It is just too small, but I think it will be perfect in a vest or cargo pant pocket holster as a back up due to the thin profile and light weight. Plus it has the same manual of arms as my issue/mandatory duty weapon (Glock 21 Gen 4).

[GJM]

Much obliged sir. Thank you.

I think I may have just found my new carry rig for a back up at work.

I have to admit though.... I hate the Glock 43. I installed a set of Trijicon HD's on mine, got a JM version 3 IWB for it, and have a couple TTI +1 base pads on the way, but still don't care for it. I guess I keep trying to accessorize my way into liking it.

I finally got an extended range session with mine this past Thursday and did my PD qualifier with it. Passed with no problem but consistently had trouble setting my grip. I have XXL hands and the 43 is a bitch for me to control properly. Our qualifier is shot from carry holster. I had the V3 IWB at the 2:30 position and when I went to set my grip and draw for the first string of fire, I ended up flipping the gun forwards out of the holster and it went end over end and landed on the ground in front of me. Needless to say I will not be hearing the end of that for some time. It is just too small, but I think it will be perfect in a vest or cargo pant pocket holster as a back up due to the thin profile and light weight. Plus it has the same manual of arms as my issue/mandatory duty weapon (Glock 21 Gen 4).

I have similar feelings about the 42 being too small for my hands, but the 43 is OK for me. HD sights regulate on my 43, and it shoots out to 100 yards quite well for me. Best little pistol I have shot. Sounds like you need a grip enhancement, not reduction!

[Up1911Fan]

Mine's going out for stippling this week.

[MGW]

I have a JM pocket holster for a 42. Sold the 42 though. The holster did a great job of hiding the 42 and helped to keep the top of the slide from hanging up on the draw. For me it didn't fit a wide enough variety of pockets though.

I have a Mika pocket holster now for the 43 and it's just about perfect for me. Conceals really well, fits a lot of different pockets, stays put on the draw, and also keeps the rear sight covered as long as possible. It really works well for me.

I added the rubber Talon grips to my 43 and like them a lot. May be a coincidence but I'm missing fewer shots left with them on.

I'm still looking for a comfortable AIWB rig. I'm using a Darkstargear now. It's actually for a Shield I don't own any longer but the 43 fits it well. I can wear it for 5 or 6 hours before it becomes uncomfortable. All short pistols dig in and create painful spots for me. It isn't anything unique to this holster.

I'm thinking about trying something made out of leather or having a longer kydex holster built to see if I can come up with something more comfortable for all day wear.


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[BigDaddy]

Much obliged sir. Thank you.

I think I may have just found my new carry rig for a back up at work.

I have to admit though.... I hate the Glock 43. I installed a set of Trijicon HD's on mine, got a JM version 3 IWB for it, and have a couple TTI +1 base pads on the way, but still don't care for it. I guess I keep trying to accessorize my way into liking it.

I finally got an extended range session with mine this past Thursday and did my PD qualifier with it. Passed with no problem but consistently had trouble setting my grip. I have XXL hands and the 43 is a bitch for me to control properly. Our qualifier is shot from carry holster. I had the V3 IWB at the 2:30 position and when I went to set my grip and draw for the first string of fire, I ended up flipping the gun forwards out of the holster and it went end over end and landed on the ground in front of me. Needless to say I will not be hearing the end of that for some time. It is just too small, but I think it will be perfect in a vest or cargo pant pocket holster as a back up due to the thin profile and light weight. Plus it has the same manual of arms as my issue/mandatory duty weapon (Glock 21 Gen 4).

Just goes to show you. I have extra large hands. (can palm a basketball) and have no problem with the grip on a 43. It's the payload the gives me problems. Different strokes for different folks.

[StraitR]

The MP-SNGL as produced by our own Jim Ryan:


http://www.jrcholsters.com/accessories/magazine-pouches

I specified horsehide, as thin and and as light as he could make it. The guy who did my IWB kydex holster also did a super trim/slim/light kydex OWB mag pouch. It will carry the primary spare magazine at 9:00. I decided to make the second mag carrier out of leather, as it will be carried at 7:00 or so, depending on which pants I'm wearing that day; and leather will conform a bit better than the hard plastic, maybe offer less opportunity for printing, etc.

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Thanks. I'll check it out.

[jslaughter]

I've got 850 rounds down range, 4 stoppages. 2 FTF, 2 fail for slide to lock back. I've added Warrren carry sights, one mag with a TTI +2 extension, and a Vickers Slide lock.
I struggle with this gun, but I love to shoot it. It's weird recoil feels soft, but the triggers break is really hard. It's difficult to roll through a smooth press. Probably shot 5-6 Dot Tortures with only one 50 at 3 yrds. This is automatic for me with a G19 and G17.
I do have XXL hands and I'm struggling to find the right finger placement. I think I'm going to try the Talon grips in the rubber configuration. Maybe this will help.
I do really like this gun, it's likely going to be me EDC BUG at work, to a G19.

[LSP552]

I do have XXL hands and I'm struggling to find the right finger placement. I think I'm going to try the Talon grips in the rubber configuration. Maybe this will help.
I do really like this gun, it's likely going to be me EDC BUG at work, to a G19.

The Talon grips helped me a LOT. They really anchored the little gun in my XL hand, especially at speed.

[BobLoblaw]

I've got 850 rounds down range, 4 stoppages. 2 FTF, 2 fail for slide to lock back. I've added Warrren carry sights, one mag with a TTI +2 extension, and a Vickers Slide lock.
I struggle with this gun, but I love to shoot it. It's weird recoil feels soft, but the triggers break is really hard. It's difficult to roll through a smooth press. Probably shot 5-6 Dot Tortures with only one 50 at 3 yrds. This is automatic for me with a G19 and G17.
I do have XXL hands and I'm struggling to find the right finger placement. I think I'm going to try the Talon grips in the rubber configuration. Maybe this will help.
I do really like this gun, it's likely going to be me EDC BUG at work, to a G19.

Try swapping out the Vicker's slide lock spring for the OEM slide lock spring if it's failing to go to slide lock.


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[YVK]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/Heartachedoc/20150922_150433%201_zpsh3mkpe1j.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Heartachedoc/media/20150922_150433%201_zpsh3mkpe1j.jpg.html)

First 5 rounds of 147 grain Winchester bonded at 8 yards, slow fire. Double the distance, all of them still were inside the upper A. Twenty five yards, all inside the head, low left quadrant.

Like others, small grip is giving me some problems. Easy to over insert trigger finger and push it low left, which is what happened when I shot, especially on Bill Drills. The HD sights shoot a bit low, two for two for HDs in my hands/eyes to shoot low. I have a Galloway Precision precut overgrip, doesn't seem to do much for traction and definitely nothing for thickness. Think Pachmair of Talon overgrip, but don't like how they don't extend (duh) to where the most contact of support hand happens.
I like how the sights track, shooting transitions was fun. Didn't find recoil to be a problem.
One stoppage with a budget underpowered ammo, but I think it is neither gun nor ammo but me. Retracted my hands almost immediately after breaking a shot, must've robbed it of a solid backstop. Incomplete ejection. No issues after I made sure I didn't do it again.
Homeboy trigger job of some polishing, 5 lbs striker spring, maritime cups and a Ghost drop in connector yielded more than acceptable trigger pull. I am getting about 5 lbs weight and a slight roll.
DSG clip holster seems to be excellent on a first glance; I did add a foam wedge but I always do. The Q-series thingy doesn't seem so excellent and has been converted to a trigger guard only form.
Overall this looks like a capable gun and will likely become a choice of carry in professional clothes settings.

[GJM]

YVK, how sharp are your HD sights? Mine were sharp enough I hit the edges with a pad, to reduce the bloodshed on my stomach.

[jslaughter]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/Heartachedoc/20150922_150433%201_zpsh3mkpe1j.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Heartachedoc/media/20150922_150433%201_zpsh3mkpe1j.jpg.html)

First 5 rounds of 147 grain Winchester bonded at 8 yards, slow fire. Double the distance, all of them still were inside the upper A. Twenty five yards, all inside the head, low left quadrant.

Like others, small grip is giving me some problems. Easy to over insert trigger finger and push it low left, which is what happened when I shot, especially on Bill Drills. The HD sights shoot a bit low, two for two for HDs in my hands/eyes to shoot low. I have a Galloway Precision precut overgrip, doesn't seem to do much for traction and definitely nothing for thickness. Think Pachmair of Talon overgrip, but don't like how they don't extend (duh) to where the most contact of support hand happens.
I like how the sights track, shooting transitions was fun. Didn't find recoil to be a problem.
One stoppage with a budget underpowered ammo, but I think it is neither gun nor ammo but me. Retracted my hands almost immediately after breaking a shot, must've robbed it of a solid backstop. Incomplete ejection. No issues after I made sure I didn't do it again.
Homeboy trigger job of some polishing, 5 lbs striker spring, maritime cups and a Ghost drop in connector yielded more than acceptable trigger pull. I am getting about 5 lbs weight and a slight roll.
DSG clip holster seems to be excellent on a first glance; I did add a foam wedge but I always do. The Q-series thingy doesn't seem so excellent and has been converted to a trigger guard only form.
Overall this looks like a capable gun and will likely become a choice of carry in professional clothes settings.

HD's are zeroed with the dots so if if line up the sight traditionally you'll hit low.

So I understand correctly you have a 5lb trigger pull with a Ghost connecter? is that accurate or a guess? I'm debating on getting one.

[JHC]

HD's are zeroed with the dots so if if line up the sight traditionally you'll hit low.



Interesting. That's the 2nd time I've seen that mentioned. I would never have guessed. I have HDs on a G42, three G19s, a G17, G22, G31 and family has them on another G42 and G19.

Every single one of them exhibits a POI above the post when using the top of the post as the POA.

[YVK]

HD's are zeroed with the dots so if if line up the sight traditionally you'll hit low.

So I understand correctly you have a 5lb trigger pull with a Ghost connecter? is that accurate or a guess? I'm debating on getting one.

Nope. Replacing a 5.5 lbs OEM striker spring with a 5 lbs Wolff spring, 25 cent polishing job and maritime spring cups got me a fairly crisp 6 lbs break. Addition of a Ghost connector brought it down by a pound and added a minimal amount of rolling sensation.
Worth mentioning that I do not have a pull gauge for a point estimate of a trigger weight. I use the NRA drop weight set. In this case my G43 breaks in the range between of 4.5 and 5.2 lbs, but by the feel of it, they way it breaks the weight and in comparison to other guns I have, I think it is at the upper end of this range.


JHC, I certainly hope you're right 'cause the last thing I am interested in is a glorified version of express big dot sights, or whatever they are called. I got to do more shooting with this thing to confirm or disprove my initial opinion.


YVK, how sharp are your HD sights? Mine were sharp enough I hit the edges with a pad, to reduce the bloodshed on my stomach.

As you know, I carry exclusively in AIWB, my stomach skin is all roughed up and can handle them.

[GJM]

As you know, I carry exclusively in AIWB, my stomach skin is all roughed up and can handle them.

YVK, weak sauce attempt at trolling you pal GJM.

[LSP972]

I use the NRA drop weight set. In this case my G43 breaks in the range between of 4.5 and 5.2 lbs, but by the feel of it, they way it breaks the weight and in comparison to other guns I have, I think it is at the upper end of this range.


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All depends upon the angle of the dangle, bud. We use those weights when determining trigger pull pressure in our examinations, and the Glock trigger is one of the most difficult to get uniform results from. The trigger safety is the culprit; if you put the angle bar too far up, the

trigger won't "break". Too far down and you won't get an accurate reading (too light). We have found best results by holding the pistol at a slight muzzle-canted (as opposed to perpendicular to the weight bar) position, so the angle bar is resting on the middle of the trigger safety.

We have tried the pull gages, and the results were all over the map. Moot point, because AFTE rules specify using the NRA weights. But we had to try...;)

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[jslaughter]

Interesting. That's the 2nd time I've seen that mentioned. I would never have guessed. I have HDs on a G42, three G19s, a G17, G22, G31 and family has them on another G42 and G19.

Every single one of them exhibits a POI above the post when using the top of the post as the POA.

This was from the guy who created them and the dots are the POI on my HD's. Dot torture will really show this. I went with the Warren Carry sights on my 43.

[JHC]

This was from the guy who created them and the dots are the POI on my HD's. Dot torture will really show this. I went with the Warren Carry sights on my 43.

Cool inside baseball. Does that maintain out to 15 and 25 yards? That's how I measured them (the above examples). I can't recall really scrutinizing this at 7 or under where I'm generally just wanting to hit 3x5 or 4x6 cards very quickly, shooting to the cards center (99 Drill for example). Now I'm dying to check that <7. Thanks!

[YVK]

All depends upon the angle of the dangle, bud. We use those weights when determining trigger pull pressure in our examinations, and the Glock trigger is one of the most difficult to get uniform results from. The trigger safety is the culprit; if you put the angle bar too far up, the

trigger won't "break".

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I tape it down and tend to use the metal part of the bar for more precise placement.


jslaughter, thanks for the info. This would be my last HDs then.

[GJM]

HD front sights for the Glock regular and large frame (meaning 17 and 20 families) are available in enough heights that you can pretty much get POI where you want. I have Glock pistols with three different height HD front sights to tune POI to tip of the sight, as I like.

[El Cid]

This was from the guy who created them and the dots are the POI on my HD's. Dot torture will really show this. I went with the Warren Carry sights on my 43.

Very interesting indeed. I have several Glocks and almost all have HD sights. With my 26's and 19's, using 147gr ammo, the stock sets were about 5" high at 25 yards. That was with a 6 o'clock hold (lollipop). I had to install .245 tall fronts to get them in the 10 ring at that distance - still using a 6 o'clock hold.

In fact I called Trijicon to ask about options and the person with whom I spoke said a LEO in Georgia had figured out the .245 tall front was the solution.

WRT my G43 I can't yet say. The sights arrived today but I'm waiting on the MGW adapter to get here.

[GJM]

Here is a link to a bunch of Glock HD front sights:


http://www.opticsplanet.com/trijicon-glock-trijicon-hd-night-sight-set-orange-yellow-front-outline.html


stock front is a .215
20/21 family stock is a .200
.230 is available
.245 is available
.185 is available

[YVK]

Same front sight hole on G43 as on all Glocks? The .200 is probably the answer, may be too short actually, except I don't see it available.

[GJM]

Same front sight hole on G43 as on all Glocks? The .200 is probably the answer, may be too short actually, except I don't see it available.

Front sight on 42/43 is same dimension as the 17 series front sight. Difference is in the rear for the 42/43. The .200 comes standard with the 20/21 large frame sights. Don't see it on the OpticsPlanet site, but not sure if Trijicon will sell just the front sight. I would shoot your 43 some more before changing, as my 43 works fine with the OEM 42/43 series HD sights.

[LSP972]

Had the first malfunction today.

Round count 450+ so far.

I was verifying zero with the 124gr +P HST I will be carrying in it. The malf occurred on the fourth magazine of this stuff; the prior three magazines were fired standing no support at seven yards, no issues, POA/POI dead-on.

I was using the Taran +2 baseplate, shooting off of the barricade (supported position, right side of the barricade, standard thumbs-forward grip with the back of the left hand pressed against the barricade). The third round failed to feed. I looked, it appeared that the slide had locked back on its own, so I did a tap-rack; nada. Closer inspection revealed that the nose of the top cartridge was jammed against the front inner edge of the magazine, the cartridge being canted downward slightly. The breech face was bearing against the case head like it was supposed to be, trying to push the cartridge forward to feed. I removed the magazine, thumbed the cartridge back and down to a "normal" position for the top round, re-inserted the mag, ran the slide, and normal function was restored. I finished out the rest of the box from the barricade, both strong hand and off hand (two hand grip, just changing the "control" hand), no issues. This was at 25 yards; the 124+P HST was printing six inches high, FWIW.

So what happened? Beats me. Possibly I induced it via the supported position, but I really doubt that, as my grip doesn't change; just the back of my hand is pressed against the barricade for support. Had I not been in a diagnostic mode, after the first tap-rack I would have gone to a Phase Two clearance technique, ripping the mag out, cycling the slide three times, and inserting a fresh magazine; basically, what you do for a double feed, which is pretty much what this resembled, minus the empty case in the chamber.

Right now, I'm treating it as an anomaly. The gun has been... wait for it… flawless up to now, without the first hint of a gurgle with factory ball, my reloads, and some various JHP factory cartridges. So I dunno. Other than my hesitance regarding the capacity, for a primary EDC piece, I have a very positive feeling about the G43. The trigger SUCKS, but this isn't a target pistol and I was able to print good 25 yard groups despite having to wrestle with the trigger. Hell, I was dinging 12" square steel at 50 yards without a miss the other day. If I can get past my "fear" of not having enough burrets on tap, I could carry it with confidence.

I'm still bouncing THAT back and forth in my mind, and in any event am waiting on my second mag pouch before strapping up with the gun. This malfunction was rather odd, one I can not recall ever seeing on a Glock pistol of any stripe.

One important note; using an RMHolsters Lo-Rider IWB holster (approximate 25 degree forward cant), the Taran +2 extenders make a big difference during presentations, allowing me to establish a proper grip in the holster. The +1 Taran is marginal in that regard, while the issue six round magazine with the pinkie extension is so-so. The +2 adds just a tad more area to get the fourth and pinky fingers in place prior to drawing. YMMV on that...

Tentative "testing" continues…

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[LSP552]

Steve,

I wonder if the lighter mag spring pressure with the +2 contributed to that malfunction? I know; no way to be sure, just something to consider and watch. I doupt it was your grip.

[stingray]

Doc Roberts and the 9mm have been mentioned a couple times here. So there isn't much concern about the 9mm being carried for self defense. In fact this thread is all about a gun chambered for the 9mm.

I find in interesting that a 7+1 1911 was never a capacity worry but the 6+1 G43 is.

For me tactics are just as (if not more) important than the handgun I am carrying. I started carrying a handgun when the only accepted off duty carry gun was a 5 shot S&W of the 6 shot Colt. I still don't worry when i choose to carry one of those. Add the reload speed and the G43 seem like a decent CCW option to me, now that I am retired.

[okie john]

The Ameriglo G42/43 adapter for the MGW sight tool ($33.00 at https://www.ameriglo.net/catalog/sights/sight-tools/glock/rear-sight-tool) arrived yesterday and I got some time to fiddle with it today.

As folks have noted, the G43 accurate enough to deserve good sights. I put Ameriglo three-dot sights on mine and quickly learned that they’re hard to see, especially at speed.

http://i.imgur.com/tk1b96C.jpg (http://imgur.com/tk1b96C)


Then I got to looking at dimensions and realized that any Glock sights will fit this thing. The rear sight is narrower because the slide is narrower, but that’s the ONLY difference between sights for the G43 and other Glock pistols—the G43’s rear dovetail and front socket dimensions are the same. Even better, G43 sights are the same height as standard Glock sights. Any front sight made for a Glock will work, and any rear sight made for a Glock that is narrower than the G43 slide will also work. Take Sevigny’s, for instance.

http://i.imgur.com/YMULOBj.jpg (http://imgur.com/YMULOBj)


Top view. See? Just a bit narrower than the slide.

http://i.imgur.com/h78It6r.jpg (http://imgur.com/h78It6r)


Any sight that’s wider than the G43 slide will hang over the edges of the slide a little, but you can fix that with a file. These are Trijicon HD’s originally meant for a G17.

http://i.imgur.com/VSFITg3.jpg


This is the part you have to knock off with a file.

http://i.imgur.com/uSRcWdC.jpg (http://imgur.com/uSRcWdC)


And just because it will make someone somewhere foam at the mouth, here’s my G43 with Dawson adjustables. I think of this as a modern take on the snub-nosed target revolvers that Elmer Keith and Ed McGivern used to get S&W to make for them.

http://i.imgur.com/rlt7QpY.jpg


This isn’t as outlandish as it seems. The G43 would make a great trail gun, and those cry out for adjustable sights. Or if you’re a handloader and you create very light loads for new shooters (like kids and women) who have small hands, then you can set the sights as needed for different loads.

The best aspect of this is that G43 owners can mix and match sights from pretty much any maker to get the mix of colors, notch widths, night-sight lamp configurations, light bars, and other variables that they prefer--just like some of us do with bigger Glocks. I see this as being good for at least two reasons. First, if you run a weird mix of front and rear sights on a larger Glock, you can have the same sight picture on your G43. The light bars will be a bit tighter because the slide is shorter, but that’s about the only difference. Second, when Glock QC inevitably slips and we start to see G43s that hit grossly too high or low out of the box—as we see with other Glock pistols—we’ll be able to mix and match sights to get POI where it belongs.

Depending on time, I’ll check these combinations at the range this weekend and let you know what I learn.

Let me know if you have questions.


Okie John

[GJM]

I don't think 124+P is the right load for the 43. I think regular pressure 124, like the non+P Gold Dot, or a 147 is the way to go. Gun feels to light for the +P, and not real happy cycling, not unlike +P loads in a LW Commander.

[El Cid]

I don't think 124+P is the right load for the 43. I think regular pressure 124, like the non+P Gold Dot, or a 147 is the way to go. Gun feels to light for the +P, and not real happy cycling, not unlike +P loads in a LW Commander.

I haven't tried any 124's but the Barnes Tac-XPD and Corbon DPX (115 +P) were very soft shooting in my G43. I'm planning to chrono some 115 +P and some 147's tomorrow.

[Up1911Fan]

My carry load is the 147gr Ranger Bonded. I've got 200 of them through my G43 and it handles and shoot's them well.

[ST911]

I haven't tried any 124's but the Barnes Tac-XPD and Corbon DPX (115 +P) were very soft shooting in my G43. I'm planning to chrono some 115 +P and some 147's tomorrow.

Of the 115gr copper solids, the Corbon DPX is the hottest, followed by the BHA TAC XP, then the Barnes-loaded round. Note that the DPX is no longer loaded with the Barnes bullet, but one of their own. My G43 has ~150rds of the BHA through it and is a soft shooter. The Barnes-loaded round is soft enough that it can be a little close to threshold.

[LSP972]

Steve,

I wonder if the lighter mag spring pressure with the +2 contributed to that malfunction?

If it had been toward the end of the magazine, I might be inclined to agree. But the third round?

Dunno, could be.

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[LSP972]

... and not real happy cycling...

Uh... can you expand on that a bit? All I could tell was that the recoil was a bit more pronounced.

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[GJM]

Uh... can you expand on that a bit? All I could tell was that the recoil was a bit more pronounced.

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Obviously subjective, but shooting +P in a LW Commader, or bear loads in a Glock 29, the gun feels different to me, and not in a good way. Same thing with +P in a PM9.

[LSP972]

Obviously subjective, but shooting +P in a LW Commader, or bear loads in a Glock 29, the gun feels different to me, and not in a good way. Same thing with +P in a PM9.

I see. Agreed, the added recoil isn't nice.

I could try some 147s but I imagine they would print even higher at distance. The only other "serious" defense ammunition I have on hand is SXT 127 +P+, and I can get some 124 +P Gold Dot; but then we're back to the gun being unhappy.

Not in the mood to buy a bunch of different "duty" rounds to test, and I damn sure am not going the boutique ammo route. So I guess I'll lay back and watch a bit, see what you guys are using. I don't have any idea if +P ammunition promoted that malfunction, but it certainly is possible.

Of course, I could just load the piece with GI (NATO) ball, and hope that my marksmanship skills are up to a CNS shot…;)

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[GJM]

http://sgammo.com/product/speer/50-round-box-9mm-speer-gold-dot-124-grain-standard-pressure-le-hollow-point-ammo-53618


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[Beat Trash]

Okie John, Thanks for the info about the adaptor for the MGW sight pusher. I have a new Glock 43, and have owned a MGW sight pusher for Glocks for a few years. I was not aware of an adaptor made for them. This makes life a lot simpler to install decent sights on this gun.

As for my experiences with the Glock 43, I first shot one shortly after they were announced. The gun I shot was the personally owned gun of the regional LE Glock sales rep. It was one of the first G43's made. And it was a disappointment. Recoil was noticeably worse than the Shiled I shot it next to for comparison. The magazines had to be inserted at just the proper angle or they would stick and hang up in the mag well. Worse of all, I was getting 2-3 empty cases per magazine that were pelting my wrist and strong hand. I was highly disappointed.

But over time I kept reading positive reviews and thought maybe they may have been "tweaked" a bit after being first released. Fast forward to my wife finally obtaining our state's CCW permit. The Shield was a bit too big for her to conceal and she loved the feel of a Glock 43 in her smaller hands, so...

My new Glock 43 has a test fire date in mid September. Only about 200 rds through it so far. Ejection is such that if I stood still, I could catch the empties with a 5 gal bucket. Recoil on this gun is no where near as bad as I remembered on my first experience with a Glock 43. Accuracy and reliability so far is a non-issue. At 10 yds, the gun was grouping about an inch low with our 115 gr training ammunition. Our duty ammunition is the 147 gr Ranger T loading. The 147 gr load was hitting at point of aim with the factory sights. Which is fine with me as this is the load that will be carried in the gun, once it's vetted to my satisfaction.

A few more rounds through it to satisfy me as reliability than it's hers to carry. But I very well may buy myself my own Glock 43 and use it to retire my S&W 642 as my pocket gun for around the house.

[JBP55]

I see. Agreed, the added recoil isn't nice.

I could try some 147s but I imagine they would print even higher at distance. The only other "serious" defense ammunition I have on hand is SXT 127 +P+, and I can get some 124 +P Gold Dot; but then we're back to the gun being unhappy.

Not in the mood to buy a bunch of different "duty" rounds to test, and I damn sure am not going the boutique ammo route. So I guess I'll lay back and watch a bit, see what you guys are using. I don't have any idea if +P ammunition promoted that malfunction, but it certainly is possible.

Of course, I could just load the piece with GI (NATO) ball, and hope that my marksmanship skills are up to a CNS shot…;)

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I have some 147+P HST and can trade a box or more for 124+P Gold Dot or 124+P HST if you decide to try the 147gr. The 147+P HST has 91% as much muzzle energy as the 124+P HST.

[El Cid]

Of the 115gr copper solids, the Corbon DPX is the hottest, followed by the BHA TAC XP, then the Barnes-loaded round. Note that the DPX is no longer loaded with the Barnes bullet, but one of their own. My G43 has ~150rds of the BHA through it and is a soft shooter. The Barnes-loaded round is soft enough that it can be a little close to threshold.

Didn't realize Corbon was using their own bullets in the DPX line now - that's good info. Thanks! The stuff I have is a few years old, but it's dwindling as I started to replace it with the Barnes loading, and then discovered the Black Hills version.

I started a new thread with the complete results because it's for 6 different pistols. But as for the G43, the results from this morning are here:

Black Hills TAC-XP 115gr +P:
G43: 1133, 1117, 1120, 1112, 1101

Winchester Ranger 147 Bonded JHP:
G43: 926, 925, 901, 903, 916

Speer Gold Dot G2 147gr JHP:
G43: 885, 885, 875, 885, 896

Speer Lawman 147gr FMJ:
G43: 899, 881, 922, 929, 912

American Eagle 147gr FMJ:
G43: 909, 872, 888, 856, 874

[Cool Breeze]

I put Ameriglo three-dot sights on mine and quickly learned that they’re hard to see, especially at speed.


Okie John
Which did you use and what made them hard to see? What sights did you substitute for the Ameriglos?

[LSP972]

I have some 147+P HST and can trade a box or more for 124+P Gold Dot or 124+P HST if you decide to try the 147gr. The 147+P HST has 91% as much muzzle energy as the 124+P HST.

Thanks, but I've got all sorts of 147 grain factory loads lying around here. And we're operating on the potential fact that this little pistol doesn't like +P…


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[LSP972]

http://sgammo.com/product/speer/50-round-box-9mm-speer-gold-dot-124-grain-standard-pressure-le-hollow-point-ammo-53618


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Well, that is actually a decent price. Thanks; I'll have a look and see if perhaps I can find something else on that site that can help mitigate shipping.

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[23JAZ]

So I finally handled a shield and a G43 side by side and I'll be damned if the G43 grip and trigger don't feel much better. However I don't know if I can get over having only 6 rounds. Can someone post some pics with the +2 extension. They have the extensions at my club but unfortunately not installed on a mag for me too see and feel.

[El Cid]

So I finally handled a shield and a G43 side by side and I'll be damned if the G43 grip and trigger don't feel much better. However I don't know if I can get over having only 6 rounds. Can someone post some pics with the +2 extension. They have the extensions at my club but unfortunately not installed on a mag for me too see and feel.

The Taran Tactical +2 extension is the same OAL as the pinky rest mag.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8635_zpsc5ndlmre.jpg

[23JAZ]

The Taran Tactical +2 extension is the same OAL as the pinky rest mag.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8635_zpsc5ndlmre.jpg
Thank you Cid

[JHC]

This was from the guy who created them and the dots are the POI on my HD's. Dot torture will really show this. I went with the Warren Carry sights on my 43.

Dude. Mine too! LOL

At 5 yards (for the recent iHack drill of the week) I zeroed these at 5yards to check your intel. ;)

Their POI is just barely above the post at 25 yds for my latest set on a particular gun, but at 5 or 7 yards they are behind the dot. I never really have given it much thought before but its there.

[BN]

3985

Susan won a Glock at the Carolina Cup. She chose a 43. It got here yesterday. Seems to be accurate enough. ;)

[breakingtime91]

Dude. Mine too! LOL

At 5 yards (for the recent iHack drill of the week) I zeroed these at 5yards to check your intel. ;)

Their POI is just barely above the post at 25 yds for my latest set on a particular gun, but at 5 or 7 yards they are behind the dot. I never really have given it much thought before but its there.

does that both you? I like using the dot for speed and a post to reference for tighter/more accuracy driven stuff...

[JHC]

does that both you? I like using the dot for speed and a post to reference for tighter/more accuracy driven stuff...

Not in the least. My slowfire precision is applied where I need it out far. At the ranges it's "shoot the dot" I'm trying to hit something fast and other variables will make up a half to 3/4 of an inch.

[LSP972]

3985

Susan won a Glock at the Carolina Cup.

When was that? My wife won one at a GSSF match back in April, chose a 43, and we still haven't seen it.

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[MVS]

Won't give a clue as to accuracy, but a student in this past weekends Langdon Advanced Pistol class had to finish the class with his G43. The Trigger pin on his Sig2022 kept walking out on him and rendering the gun useless. On the last drill of the weekend, also the last Hat drill, he won the 9 shot close speed drill with a time of 3.31 seconds.

[BN]

When was that? My wife won one at a GSSF match back in April, chose a 43, and we still haven't seen it.

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The Carolina Cup was in June. We sent the certificate certified mail and Glock got it 8/3/2015. I waited to send it because my FFL was renewing his FFL.
The G-43 we got has a blue label.

[LSP972]

The Carolina Cup was in June. We sent the certificate certified mail and Glock got it 8/3/2015. I waited to send it because my FFL was renewing his FFL.


That's about right; guess I need to find out where ours in. Many thanks, hope your wife enjoys hers.

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[Talking Monkey]

I had an opportunity to compare a G43 to my wife’s Shield the other day while helping her uncle decide on a new carry gun. We both preferred the Shield. The G43 is a fine gun, however, I found that the Shield was definitely more controllable. I also thought that the size of the G43 made mag changes awkward and the trigger was quite heavy.

[JBP55]

3985

Susan won a Glock at the Carolina Cup. She chose a 43. It got here yesterday. Seems to be accurate enough. ;)

That is some good shooting with your G43.

[okie john]

Which did you use and what made them hard to see? What sights did you substitute for the Ameriglos?

They're the Classics. I think it's just the size, plus the fact that I'm 54 years old and I wear bifocals. Trijicon HDs are huge, so they were much easier to see at speed, but POI was off. I may get several HD front posts in different heights and try them again.

The more time I spend with the 43, the more I like it. It's a freaking drill with 147-grain ammo.


Okie John

[Up1911Fan]

The more time I spend with the 43, the more I like it. It's a freaking drill with 147-grain ammo.


Okie John

I've found this to be the case as well. Mine shoot's really well with my carry ammo ( RA9B).

[okie john]

I've found this to be the case as well. Mine shoot's really well with my carry ammo ( RA9B).

Now if Glock would just make it with a 4" barrel and a 10-shot mag, it would be ideal for people with small hands and those who don't live in free states.


Okie John

[LSP972]

Now if Glock would just make it with a 4" barrel and a 10-shot mag, it would be ideal for people with small hands and those who don't live in free states.


Okie John

There are states with a 4" barrel limit???

As for the 10 round magazine, when the pistol was first announced there were persistent rumors that Glock was working on an OEM 10 rounder. Haven't heard a peep about that since.

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[okie john]

There are states with a 4" barrel limit???

None that I know of--at least not yet. My thought was that if you had a longer grip, then you might as well have a longer barrel. Plus, a 4" G43 might work as a duty pistol for the tiny-handed.


Okie John

[Wondering Beard]

Might as well make it a single stack G19

[okie john]

Might as well make it a single stack G19

Yes.


Okie John

[Up1911Fan]

I would definately buy a SS G19, that would be about ideal to me as a tuckable AIWB gun.

[Little Creek]

I would definately buy a SS G19, that would be about ideal to me as a tuckable AIWB gun.

Me too!

[23JAZ]

Might as well make it a single stack G19
That would be the end all be all in my book!

[jslaughter]

I'm really trying to ring this pistol out as a BUG/NPE off duty. I'm at 1.275 rounds down range. It has Warren carry sights and Talon rubber grips. I've tried the Taran +2 extensions, there are a no go they caused consistent failure to feeds on the last round. This did not occur until the 1,100 round mark.
buyer beware, I thought these were GTG, until this round count. I'm going to wait until some after market springs come out.
I'm still pushing left when shooting this pistol. All I shoot is Glock 9mm, but this skinny frame is giving me fits. It's all having to do with an inconsistent trigger finger placement. I have big paws and it's just a training issue.
Hoping to find a good ankle holster, but no luck so far.

[LSP972]

I've tried the Taran +2 extensions, there are a no go they caused consistent failure to feeds on the last round. This did not occur until the 1,100 round mark.
buyer beware, I thought these were GTG, until this round count.

Hmmm. LSP552 has been suspicious of this possibility.

For an ankle holster, Google Ken Null. If he is still working, he makes the hands-down best quality ankle holsters money can buy. LSP552 and I both have J frame examples from the 80s, that were worn daily for many, many years. His finally gave it up, because he waited until last year to replace it. I replaced mine in 2003, but I'd still wear the original one in a pinch.

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[GJM]

YVK just had a Taran +1 that was causing stoppages in his 43 with JHP ammo. Problem solved when he went back to a stock, OEM magazine.

[JBP55]

Ghost Inc. has the springs needed for the G43 when using the TTI extensions.

GLOCK 43 EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING +15% EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING MADE FROM STAINLESS STEEL WIRE.
only $6.95

[LSP972]

Just lovely. I've got almost $200 worth of the frigging things.

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[GJM]

Just lovely. I've got almost $200 worth of the frigging things.

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That is a start, I think YVK dropped $500 on 43 accessories.

[41magfan]

We were running an Academy class this week and I got the chance to shoot one of my buddy's brand new 43's. One still had plastic sights on it but the other one had some distributor installed Ameriglo Operator's so we shot that one first. This was real impromptu .... he opened the box, we loaded the magazine and went to it.

I shot a full magazine (30 rds total) freestyle at 5, 7, 10, 15 & 25 yards at a pace conducive to getting a decent sight picture. He finished up the box (on the same target) by firing the remaining rounds in the same fashion but he ran out with only 2 rounds to shoot at 15 yards.

Irrespective of the fact that this was the first time I've fired a 43, I found it fairly difficult to shoot. The trigger required a serious level of focus to manage.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/910/czxntA.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/paczxntAj)

[LSP972]

Ghost Inc. has the springs needed for the G43 when using the TTI extensions.

GLOCK 43 EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING +15% EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING MADE FROM STAINLESS STEEL WIRE.
only $6.95

Damn; I hate throwing MORE money at this pistol. Thanks for the heads-up, though.

I haven't shot mine since the malf I reported a few weeks back. Just cannot seem to maintain interest in it, even though it appears to be what I have been looking for over the past two years.

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[GJM]

We were running an Academy class this week and I got the chance to shoot one of my buddy's brand new 43's. One still had plastic sights on it but the other one had some distributor installed Ameriglo Operator's so we shot that one first. This was real impromptu .... he opened the box, we loaded the magazine and went to it.

I shot a full magazine (30 rds total) freestyle at 5, 7, 10, 15 & 25 yards at a pace conducive to getting a decent sight picture. He finished up the box (on the same target) by firing the remaining rounds in the same fashion but he ran out with only 2 rounds to shoot at 15 yards.

Irrespective of the fact that this was the first time I've fired a 43, I found it fairly difficult to shoot. The trigger required a serious level of focus to manage.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/910/czxntA.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/paczxntAj)

Edge connector!

[LSP972]

That is a start, I think YVK dropped $500 on 43 accessories.

Well, I've got another $175 in a holster and two mag pouches, plus I bought six magazines at $30 a pop; so I'm right there with him.

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[41magfan]

Edge connector!

Roger that. I'll pass that along to him ...... Thanks.

[YVK]

Ghost Inc. has the springs needed for the G43 when using the TTI extensions.

GLOCK 43 EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING +15% EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING MADE FROM STAINLESS STEEL WIRE.
only $6.95

This spring reduces a capacity of TTI base pads by one round,+1 to 0 and +2 to +1. I didn't see any particular need for 0 round extension, although I presume it would offer some advantage if set on a reload mag, so I didn't test this combo. The TTI +2, now +1 with a Ghost spring, ran well but just a limited volume so far. TTI + 1 with a stock mag choked on Ranger Bonded 147, Gold Dot 147 and HST 124. all standard pressure, within 10 rounds of each. No problems with an OEM mag so far.


Edge connector!

And/or 5 lbs striker spring. It is so easy to push this gun to the side, it is not even funny.

[breakingtime91]

whats the big deal with running oem mags?

[LSP972]

whats the big deal with running oem mags?

Not enough beans.

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[JBP55]

Quite a few people have fired my G43 with TTI +1 and +2 with several types of ammunition with Zero Malfunctions so far. Many are reporting using the new springs and loading +2 without issue.
I have not tried the new springs yet.

[breakingtime91]

Not enough beans.

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ah ok! I thought there was an issue with them not working. Thanks for the quick response.

[YVK]

Quite a few people have fired my G43 with TTI +1 and +2 with several types of ammunition with Zero Malfunctions so far. Many are reporting using the new springs and loading +2 without issue.
I have not tried the new springs yet.

I've tried, honest to all higher powers, to load to advertised capacity with TTIs and Ghost springs and just couldn't.
Mine has been eating all FMJs like candy. Coincidentally, I am right now going through a case of 115 Freedom Munitions stuff and it is very weak. I think that quality hollow points that I was running in trouble with are more stout, even if they are regular pressure, and slide velocity and mag spring can't agree on things.

[LSP552]

Damn; I hate throwing MORE money at this pistol. Thanks for the heads-up, though.

I haven't shot mine since the malf I reported a few weeks back. Just cannot seem to maintain interest in it, even though it appears to be what I have been looking for over the past two years.

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It's a Glock, impossible to maintain interest.;)

[JBP55]

I've tried, honest to all higher powers, to load to advertised capacity with TTIs and Ghost springs and just couldn't.
Mine has been eating all FMJs like candy. Coincidentally, I am right now going through a case of 115 Freedom Munitions stuff and it is very weak. I think that quality hollow points that I was running in trouble with are more stout, even if they are regular pressure, and slide velocity and mag spring can't agree on things.

Mine has been 100% reliable with Gold Dot 124+P/147, HST 124+P/147+P as well as American Eagle and Lawman in 124gr. I only use what I consider quality ammunition.

[BN]

http://tarantacticalinnovations.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_49_81&products_id=316

I don't know anything about these. It says something about spring modification.

On my Kahr PM9, the 6 round mags works great. The 7 round mags with the pinkie extension causes malfunctions.

We have less than 100 rounds through our G-43 with no malfunctions with factory mags.

[LSP972]

It's a Glock, impossible to maintain interest.;)

Yeah. And with YVK not having much luck with the Ghost springs…

My next thought was to try 147gr standard pressure- which I have a lot of- but I can just about guarantee those are going to print even higher at distance- and if 124gr +P's shoot six inches high at 25 yards…

I ran across Tommy N. the other day, and we had a long chat. He did some research, including going through the video library/stash up in Meridian, and he has come to some interesting conclusions re small semi-autos.

Remember when the narcs were all agog over the PPK .380 back in the late 70s, and everybody had to have one… until the first few shootings with them, and then they were available real cheap? Same deal, basically. You remember he worked dope for years, now back on the road (and loving it); but the point is, he has a broad perspective to view from. For whatever that's worth, he sure has made me do some heavy re-thinking…

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[YVK]

http://tarantacticalinnovations.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=44_49_81&products_id=316

I don't know anything about these. It says something about spring modification.

On my Kahr PM9, the 6 round mags works great. The 7 round mags with the pinkie extension causes malfunctions.

We have less than 100 rounds through our G-43 with no malfunctions with factory mags.

Gonna hazard a guess that the TTI modification is that extra power spring, maybe clipped to fit +2.

Interestingly, my Kahr, which is MK9, feeds from any mag just fine.


but I can just about guarantee those are going to print even higher at distance- and if 124gr +P's shoot six inches high at 25 yards…



That gets fixed by Trij HD sights that shoot low. Trying to see if I can get a front sight shaved.

[LSP552]

That gets fixed by Trij HD sights that shoot low. Trying to see if I can get a front sight shaved.

I thought Trij offered different front heights for the Glock? I know they do for the SIGs. The front 43 HD sight is the same as that for the G17/19/etc., so pretty sure you might have factory options.

[YVK]

They do. I think that what I have now for a front sight is .215. The next shortest is what they offer for 10 mm Glocks, .200 (not 100% sure but I think it is true). I am afraid that would be too much of a change. I have not done calculations yet, it is a best guess.
In a practical sense, I was going 7 rounds for 6 bowling pin sized steel plates at about 10 yards shooting pretty fast, 6 for 3 shooting as fast as I could, and 6 for 6 shooting slow enough to work the trigger. I rang a steel at 100 yards a couple of times. The HD sights as is are adequate, it is just me being anal.

[GJM]

They do. I think that what I have now for a front sight is .215. The next shortest is what they offer for 10 mm Glocks, .200 (not 100% sure but I think it is true). I am afraid that would be too much of a change. I have not done calculations yet, it is a best guess.
In a practical sense, I was going 7 rounds for 6 bowling pin sized steel plates at about 10 yards shooting pretty fast, 6 for 3 shooting as fast as I could, and 6 for 6 shooting slow enough to work the trigger. I rang a steel at 100 yards a couple of times. The HD sights as is are adequate, it is just me being anal.

I would "like" this post but I think it is humble-bragging.

[YVK]

It is not humble-bragging unless we're talking one handed shooting at 50 yards, preferably in adverse weather conditions. Like Alaskan fall or winter, for example. Humble-bragging bar of pistol-forum.com has been set pretty high. I got nothing.

[okie john]

My next thought was to try 147gr standard pressure- which I have a lot of- but I can just about guarantee those are going to print even higher at distance- and if 124gr +P's shoot six inches high at 25 yards…

I have a couple of Glocks that hit way high like that with standard sights. I had to mix and match front sights until I found the height that got them zeroed. Fortunately, the G43 will take any standard Glock front sight, so you could try whatever you have lying around in the parts drawer until you either find something that works or narrow it down by finding one that's a little too high and one that's a little too low. At least then you'll know what to order.


Okie John

[JBP55]

My next thought was to try 147gr standard pressure- which I have a lot of- but I can just about guarantee those are going to print even higher at distance- and if 124gr +P's shoot six inches high at 25 yards…
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You need to increase the differential between the front and rear sights by approximately .035 using a taller front sight.

[GJM]

At the end of our regular session, my wife shot her G43 some this afternoon. It has an Edge connector, HD sights, and she was using two Taran +1 baseplate magazines, since that is what she had. Shot AE 124, with no stoppages, and I don't believe she has had one to date in about 250 rounds. She un-kit'd from her 34 rig, only had an IWB holster with her for the 43, and elected to shoot from a low ready rather than draw IWB.

This was her group at 10 or 11 yards, shot faster than bullseye speed.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsulqxizkr.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsulqxizkr.jpeg.html)

This is a vid of her shooting at 20 yards, holding for the upper A, with the results below:

https://youtu.be/qdvvobGaoxo

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsnj0hgnjk.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsnj0hgnjk.jpeg.html)

Finally, this is her shooting an array from about 10-20 yards with the 43:

https://youtu.be/RIuraqfqGmg

I think the HD sights are well regulated on her 43.

[Savage Hands]

Good shooting!

[JBP55]

Good shooting!


Absolutely!

[LSP972]

I have a couple of Glocks that hit way high like that with standard sights. I had to mix and match front sights until I found the height that got them zeroed. Fortunately, the G43 will take any standard Glock front sight, so you could try whatever you have lying around in the parts drawer until you either find something that works or narrow it down by finding one that's a little too high and one that's a little too low. At least then you'll know what to order.


Okie John

Got it, thanks.

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[LSP972]

You need to increase the differential between the front and rear sights by approximately .035 using a taller front sight.

What are you using on yours?

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[JBP55]

What are you using on yours?

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Ameriglo GL-430 Night Sights.

[El Cid]

I have a couple of Glocks that hit way high like that with standard sights. I had to mix and match front sights until I found the height that got them zeroed. Fortunately, the G43 will take any standard Glock front sight, so you could try whatever you have lying around in the parts drawer until you either find something that works or narrow it down by finding one that's a little too high and one that's a little too low. At least then you'll know what to order.


Okie John
My G19's and 26's are wearing .245" tall fronts to get in the 10 ring at 25 yards (147gr and 6 o'clock hold).

[EMC]

I would "like" this post but I think it is humble-bragging.
I witnessed this shooting session and can testify of the accuracy of YVK's statement. I also got to handle the little 43 and pushed most shots left until I really started crush gripping front to back.