CCW Straight knives

[jc000]

Voodooman, I agree with your first statement, there is no one blade for everyone.
I call BS on your second, please state why you believe the pedigree is not there?
I have spoken to Kyle and Dom in person at length regarding their blade designs and don't understand why you would say that unless you have been drinking a lot of Sayoc Kool-Aid!
I have been studying knife and stick work for over 20 years and have not found a better fighter than the Dynamis/Winkler knife. I have had literally hundreds of knives pass through my hands over the years.

I had tried to post re: the Dynamis knife over the weekend, but had technical issues.

I'm currently carrying a Spartan Phobos as a dedicated defensive blade, AIWB support side. With no trainer, a skeleton grip, and a wharncliffe blade, it's not ideal as a fighting knife and I'm looking at other options. Right now the Spartan/bench made SOCP and the Dynamis look the most promising (I have a Winkler knife I use for outdoor chores – love it). It would be great if you could expand upon your experiences with the Dynamis knife.

[Gray222]

$500 for the package with trainer?! Wish I was rich like you guys :D

http://orig11.deviantart.net/4c70/f/2014/165/b/1/3610923_3861298273_tumbl_by_oddandaelita4life-d7md4i2.gif

Gata pay to play...

[Gray222]

Hopefully they'll go on-sale again sometime.

Yeah, totally worth the wait.

[DI1]

I had tried to post re: the Dynamis knife over the weekend, but had technical issues.

I'm currently carrying a Spartan Phobos as a dedicated defensive blade, AIWB support side. With no trainer, a skeleton grip, and a wharncliffe blade, it's not ideal as a fighting knife and I'm looking at other options. Right now the Spartan/bench made SOCP and the Dynamis look the most promising (I have a Winkler knife I use for outdoor chores – love it). It would be great if you could expand upon your experiences with the Dynamis knife.

I carry the Dynamis at 3:00 o'clock on my support side for reverse icepick draw. It is slightly too large for aiwb, there will be a shorter version coming soon. The knife and sheath combo are overall fantastic but quite expensive (cheaper than buying 20 crappy knives and then trying to resell them or give them away). They do go on sale once in a while. The blade is very well thought out, grip is excellent and Winkler uses excellent steel. The blade is a very good stabber and cutter with ability to penetrate deeply. The grip fits MY hand very well and is easily concealed under light clothing. The trainer is excellent and fits in the sheath perfectly.

Let me know if you have further questions?

[jc000]

Let me know if you have further questions?

Thanks that's all very helpful. I'll have to contact Dynamis about the shorter blade – the current model is definitely too big to CC legally.

My only question for you is if you have ever used a knife like the SOCP and if so what were your thoughts on that style of defensive blade. Oh, and your thoughts on double vs single edge as well.

[PNWTO]

I've got a Tracker Dan and Joe Watson Ti Bloodshark with Joe's "Jap Wrap" and I love it. I've had an awesome experience with Dan as well and will definitely be a return customer for the classic steel Bloodshark. His Punchbadger also looks really intriguing and we had a good conversation about it.

I've emailed numerous times about the material of the Rat as well and haven't received an answer; for more reasons than that I'll be picking up the Dynamis blade at some point.

[Dropkick]

Hmm... The Clinch Pick and Trainer Package retail for $170.00
Or three sets for $510...

[DI1]

Thanks that's all very helpful. I'll have to contact Dynamis about the shorter blade – the current model is definitely too big to CC legally.

My only question for you is if you have ever used a knife like the SOCP and if so what were your thoughts on that style of defensive blade. Oh, and your thoughts on double vs single edge as well.

I have a SOCP and trainer, it will not cut anything, is made to stab only. It lives on my plate carrier as it takes up barely any space and I don't care if I lose it. The blade is ground with very steep angle which does not allow it to be an efficient cutter. I spoke to the guys at Spartan about it, that was the design.
There is no set date on the release of the smaller Dynamis blade, probably this year...
I generally prefer double edged fighting knives, but you have to carry what is legal in your area. Can still do very well with a properly designed single edged knife.

[jc000]

I have a SOCP and trainer, it will not cut anything, is made to stab only. It lives on my plate carrier as it takes up barely any space and I don't care if I lose it. The blade is ground with very steep angle which does not allow it to be an efficient cutter. I spoke to the guys at Spartan about it, that was the design.

That's helpful, thanks. I have not trained in any knife-fighting (though I've done a good bit of striking) and would really envision using a defensive blade to get myself out of a bad position / get to my handgun (also AIWB). It seemed like the SOCP might be good for quick slashes along with stabs / pokes... but it appears that it isn't. Good to know.

On a separate note... does anybody know if anyone is making custom training blades? I would like to have one made for my phobos (while I'm still carrying it) but haven't had much luck.

[Hatchetman]

Keen Edge Knives has made custom trainers in the past. They have a number of different models; I'd give 'em a shout to see if they are willing to do one offs or whatever:

http://www.keenedgeknives.com/#!online-store/c17ky/!/Specialty-Custom/c/12558521/offset=9&sort=normal

[SLG]

That's helpful, thanks. I have not trained in any knife-fighting (though I've done a good bit of striking) and would really envision using a defensive blade to get myself out of a bad position / get to my handgun (also AIWB). It seemed like the SOCP might be good for quick slashes along with stabs / pokes... but it appears that it isn't. Good to know.

On a separate note... does anybody know if anyone is making custom training blades? I would like to have one made for my phobos (while I'm still carrying it) but haven't had much luck.

The SOCP is a poor design for any kind of slashing, but they can at least be improved over the factory offering. Mine was professionally re-ground and now slices much better. Still not a good design for that though.

[DamonL]

I don't know what steel is used in the Rat.

So in response to my email query, I was told the steel used ion the Rat is AUS-8.

[Gray222]

The SOCP is a poor design for any kind of slashing, but they can at least be improved over the factory offering. Mine was professionally re-ground and now slices much better. Still not a good design for that though.

I did not have a good experience with the SOCP. Carried on a PC for a while and during training I got my finger(s) stuck inside the loop once or twice during a tussle and I dumped the entire system.

[PNWTO]

So in response to my email query, I was told the steel used ion the Rat is AUS-8.

Hate to be "that guy" but that is pricey for AUS-8. I "get" the Rat and the karma that went into it, but from a functional point of view, how is better than a Coldsteel Braveheart (AUS-8) with some dremel work on the grip and a sheath from bladerigs?

[DamonL]

It's a decent stainless steel used in a lot of production knives, like Cold Steel.

[Pup town]

Hate to be "that guy" but that is pricey for AUS-8. I "get" the Rat and the karma that went into it, but from a functional point of view, how is better than a Coldsteel Braveheart (AUS-8) with some dremel work on the grip and a sheath from bladerigs?

It's not. You are paying for the Sayoc mystique, which I should point out is fairly fickle. A few years ago the Sayoc mystique was attached to the Bloodshark. But something happened there, so Sayoc came up with a new knife that is supposed to be the end-all-be-all, for reasons voodoo man can't articulate.

[PNWTO]

It's not. You are paying for the Sayoc mystique, which I should point out is fairly fickle. A few years ago the Sayoc mystique was attached to the Bloodshark. But something happened there, so Sayoc came up with a new knife that is supposed to be the end-all-be-all, for reasons voodoo man can't articulate.

Oh yeah, I know and have spoken to a few folks about some of that, just didn't want to allude too hard and potentially derail. I love my Bloodshark and definitely want a steel one to accompany my current Ti one; I even like Dan's "Punchbadger". I have little interest in the Sayoc mystique, however, I wouldn't object to some Sayoc experience if the opportunity should ever arise.

[Wondering Beard]

Hate to be "that guy" but that is pricey for AUS-8. I "get" the Rat and the karma that went into it, but from a functional point of view, how is better than a Coldsteel Braveheart (AUS-8) with some dremel work on the grip and a sheath from bladerigs?

Caveat, I do not own a Rat, so I'm speculating somewhat.

Steel wise, yeah it does sound like a Braveheart would be a better deal.

However, one of the things you are paying for is the design of the handle and choil which looks like it locks your hand in very nicely (if you favor that sort of thing). It should prevent your hand from riding up the blade in forward grip which the Braveheart does not at all.

The other thing it looks like you would be paying for is blade geometry. The Braveheart is known to have a thin tip (great for easy penetration, bad for tip strength -if I remember correctly that deficiency is why Tracker Dan designed the Bloodshark). The tip (and spine) of the Rat look stronger but I can't tell you how much.

It looks like a very singular purpose driven knife and I like what it's trying to be but I can't tell you whether it fully succeeds or not.

Personally, I do think the Rat is a bit pricey. Also, while those thin penetrating tips have their place, I have bent and broken such style of tips three or four times simply by dropping them on hard ground (marble and concrete) so that a strong tip matters to me.

ETA: AUS-8 is good steel (a little softer than the latest and greatest but easier to resharpen as I understand it) so a well designed blade using that steel (like a lot of Cold Steel knives) shouldn't make you reconsider. Look at what the design does for your intended purposes first.

[orionz06]

Their price is their price because it's their price. Amazing steel or the same stuff Cold Steel uses on their $20 knives, doesn't matter. You're paying for that package. If you want that package that's the price. They're obviously selling and people are happy. There is no other blade that seems to have all that the Rat does so you either want it or you don't.

[PNWTO]

Their price is their price because it's their price. Amazing steel or the same stuff Cold Steel uses on their $20 knives, doesn't matter. You're paying for that package. If you want that package that's the price. They're obviously selling and people are happy. There is no other blade that seems to have all that the Rat does so you either want it or you don't.

Exactly. I apologize if it sounded like I was dissing the Rat just because. The Rat was inspired by folks doing great things; just doesn't fit my needs or experiences at the moment.

[Totem Polar]

I have little interest in the Sayoc mystique, however, I wouldn't object to some Sayoc experience if the opportunity should ever arise.
It strikes me that one could replace "Sayoc" with any number of things/people and have a reasonably useful statement to guide one's training.

[/drift] carry on...

[Gray222]

Never had a brave heart tip break.....can't say that about a blood shark....

[Wondering Beard]

Never had a brave heart tip break.....can't say that about a blood shark....

Interesting, considering how thick the spine along with a rather broad tip.

Can you detail how the Bloodshark's tip broke?

[Gray222]

Interesting, considering how thick the spine along with a rather broad tip.

Can you detail how the Bloodshark's tip broke?

I had direct first hand experience with three of them, two of them had the tip's break during use, it was a while ago (easily 2-3 years), one broke on contact with a piece of wood, the other one I don't remember how it broke but I remember the tip being broken off. The third worked well, even went through a windshield at one point, though I did have to regrind the tip because it became dull, gave that one away in fully functional condition.

[LittleLebowski]

gave that one away in fully functional condition.

Gee, thanks :(

[Gray222]

Gee, thanks :(

LOL

Don't worry I got something for ya

maybe

[DamonL]

This is not my picture. I found this picture on the Internet.

There was a lot of comments on these knives so I thought I would post a picture that shows them together.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll13/Damon9110/dynamis_zpsffq9frgb.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/Damon9110/media/dynamis_zpsffq9frgb.jpg.html)

[Super J]

This is not my picture. I found this picture on the Internet.

There was a lot of comments on these knives so I thought I would post a picture that shows them together.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll13/Damon9110/dynamis_zpsffq9frgb.jpg (http://s284.photobucket.com/user/Damon9110/media/dynamis_zpsffq9frgb.jpg.html)

What knives are these from left to right? My apologies for not recognizing them

[Up1911Fan]

What knives are these from left to right? My apologies for not recognizing them

Dynamis, RAT, Bloodshark.

[johncorey]

So this is another option in the same vein as the others already mentioned in this thread:

https://www.outlandequipment.com/product/kryptos-k1/

[Up1911Fan]

I've got a Joe Watson Magni Ti on the way, should be a good option.

[PNWTO]

So this is another option in the same vein as the others already mentioned in this thread:

https://www.outlandequipment.com/product/kryptos-k1/

I saw that this morning, I'm probably going to pick one up.

[johncorey]

I saw that this morning, I'm probably going to pick one up.

Better hurry!

[LittleLebowski]

So this is another option in the same vein as the others already mentioned in this thread:

https://www.outlandequipment.com/product/kryptos-k1/

That one really sticks out to me. *like*

[JHC]

That one really sticks out to me. *like*

That one reminds me somewhat of this CRKT Dragon. I got one of those to be stashed in my wife's glovebox. It's really inexpensive. Sharp as fuck! She has sick hand speed and "cuts" me to ribbons in drilling with chalk. http://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-2010-Dragon/dp/B000M3SYR6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443118793&sr=8-1&keywords=crkt+dragon

[johncorey]

I'm digging the very industrial lines it has. I feel like this would be the official Rammstein blade, if they had an official blade.

[_JD_]

Picked up an oldy but goodie.

Spyderco Kumo.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/24/4f3690e6d6fca40456c5669dbdb9f8a4.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/24/55e5fea2afe81e4ce595933f1480b05c.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/24/8354d53357f668dd0b3d24e052442864.jpg

[aboveandbeyond]

Their price is their price because it's their price. Amazing steel or the same stuff Cold Steel uses on their $20 knives, doesn't matter. You're paying for that package. If you want that package that's the price. They're obviously selling and people are happy. There is no other blade that seems to have all that the Rat does so you either want it or you don't.

There is a new blade that is very close to the Rat now.

Produced by Sentinel Gear with a few modifications. Sentinel Gear MK III (http://www.sentinelconcealmentgear.com/#!blades/cqiw)

I should have one by the end of the week. Will post pics.

I also have the Rat blade. AUS 8 isn't really holding up to daily cutting. I'm regulating the blade to self defense now instead of cutting rope/ random stuff.

Just received my Joe Watson Magni in CPM 154, jap wrap. So far, it's amazing. Built like a freaking tank.

Jap wrap is soaked in resin making it nice and stiff and very grippy. Enlarged pommel really helps for thumbcaps and assists from the draw.

[Gray222]

There is a new blade that is very close to the Rat now.

Produced by Sentinel Gear with a few modifications. Sentinel Gear MK III (http://www.sentinelconcealmentgear.com/#!blades/cqiw)

I should have one by the end of the week. Will post pics.

I also have the Rat blade. AUS 8 isn't really holding up to daily cutting. I'm regulating the blade to self defense now instead of cutting rope/ random stuff.

Just received my Joe Watson Magni in CPM 154, jap wrap. So far, it's amazing. Built like a freaking tank.

Jap wrap is soaked in resin making it nice and stiff and very grippy. Enlarged pommel really helps for thumbcaps and assists from the draw.

I saw that, $150 is a good price.

[_JD_]

Snagged this today. Should have it this week.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/28/2ad75f1e17f12b0a872dd6f3d47afa7a.jpg

[PNWTO]

There is a new blade that is very close to the Rat now.

Produced by Sentinel Gear with a few modifications. Sentinel Gear MK III (http://www.sentinelconcealmentgear.com/#!blades/cqiw)

I should have one by the end of the week. Will post pics.

I also have the Rat blade. AUS 8 isn't really holding up to daily cutting. I'm regulating the blade to self defense now instead of cutting rope/ random stuff.

Just received my Joe Watson Magni in CPM 154, jap wrap. So far, it's amazing. Built like a freaking tank.

Jap wrap is soaked in resin making it nice and stiff and very grippy. Enlarged pommel really helps for thumbcaps and assists from the draw.

I love the Watson Jap Wrap, I'm thinking of sending some knives to him, but he hasn't returned any emails...

[Sadmin]

Pertaining to the Sentinel Gear blade -

He will do a dagger grind for 20.00 more, just FYI. I think its priced very well.

[_JD_]

I've got a few knives from Tom. He makes great stuff.

http://www.halloranknives.com/

https://www.facebook.com/Halloran-Knives-161626579303
This will be my first, been on his mailing list for a while and have been waiting for something like this. Patience paid off. :)

[aboveandbeyond]

Pertaining to the Sentinel Gear blade -

He will do a dagger grind for 20.00 more, just FYI. I think its priced very well.

I agree. Granted 1095 is very common carbon steel. Im curious to see how his heat treat goes.

It says a lot about the knife maker. But based on his Instagram posts, he knows a lot and know how to use blades...

Tree Octopus- I had a rather tough time reaching him at his yahoo email. I did reach out to him on Facebook and posted on his wall. He answered my emails after that...

[Up1911Fan]

My Watson Magni Ti should be here any day now. That Sentinel blade look's promising as well.

[Cookie Monster]

I've got a few knives from Tom. He makes great stuff.

http://www.halloranknives.com/

https://www.facebook.com/Halloran-Knives-161626579303


I'll second that, I got a three finger a few months ago and was impressed, looking forward to getting an RD.

[Up1911Fan]

Emailed Sentinel, they do a trainer for the MKIII for an extra $50, seem's like a decent set up.

[Gray222]

Emailed Sentinel, they do a trainer for the MKIII for an extra $50, seem's like a decent set up.

thats not too Shabby....


Official ccw and trainer of PF group buy?

[aboveandbeyond]

You guy can, of course, group together and buy whatever you want, but the only knife/trainer combo I'd have PF "officially" endorse is the Clinch Pick (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/ShivWorks-Clinch-Pick). While I'm absolutely nobody in the knife world, I've said it before and I'll say it again -- the Clinch Pick is the best purpose designed tool I've ever encountered.

CP is hands down of my favorite EDC blades. Of course, it is relegated purely for self defense. Definitely not a blade you would use to cut boxes or everyday items. My only gripe about the CP is the design, it only allows me to grip it two ways. Blade down or up. With other blades like the Rat or JW HITS/Magni, there is a lot more flexibilty.

Other than that, its a freaking wicked self defense blade!


thats not too Shabby....


Official ccw and trainer of PF group buy?

I'll speak to the owner, Matt and see what he thinks about it! Stay tuned for updates...

[orionz06]

thats not too Shabby....


Official ccw and trainer of PF group buy?

I'd buy a live blade.


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[DI1]

CP is hands down of my favorite EDC blades. Of course, it is relegated purely for self defense. Definitely not a blade you would use to cut boxes or everyday items. My only gripe about the CP is the design, it only allows me to grip it two ways. Blade down or up. With other blades like the Rat or JW HITS/Magni, there is a lot more flexibilty.

Other than that, its a freaking wicked self defense blade!




I'll speak to the owner, Matt and see what he thinks about it! Stay tuned for updates...



I would be interested in live blade/trainer combo. Anyone have pictures of Sentinel sheath?

[DI1]

I'll second that, I got a three finger a few months ago and was impressed, looking forward to getting an RD.

Tom makes great knives!

[Gray222]

live+trainer = would buy.

[theJanitor]

I'll second that, I got a three finger a few months ago and was impressed, looking forward to getting an RD.

I've had a basic 3-finger for years. It fits alot of blade into a small package. He's been working on a dress 3-finger for me for a LONG time, but it's done, so I should get it very soon

[BaiHu]

I've had a basic 3-finger for years. It fits alot of blade into a small package. He's been working on a dress 3-finger for me for a LONG time, but it's done, so I should get it very soon
Pictures to come, right [emoji6]

[aboveandbeyond]

I would be interested in live blade/trainer combo. Anyone have pictures of Sentinel sheath?

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/getoffthex/E2F99C15-70B5-451D-8B62-930AB30EA415.png (http://s1200.photobucket.com/user/getoffthex/media/E2F99C15-70B5-451D-8B62-930AB30EA415.png.html)

Here you go! Taken from their instagram account

Edit: Looks like it functions like a tracker dan/bladerigs sheath.

[Gray222]

Interesting

[SentinelGear]

Hey all,

aboveandbeyond referred me over here. I'm the maker of the MkIII blades. I appreciate all the interest and conversation and like the idea of a group buy. Here's what I was thinking.

10 people for 10% off
15 people for 15%
20 people for 20%


After that I'd be cool with a permanent 10% discount as thanks for the bulk buy. If people have any questions, feel free to ask away. I'll do my best to check back here more often. I can be more reliably be reached via email at sentinelconcealmentgear@gmail.com.

Matt

[EVP]

The sentinel mkIII seems like a great design and I really like the dual edge. The only thing is it looks a little on the bigger side for a CC knife. Maybe it's the handle that is making it look bigger then it is. I might be down for one if there is a group buy.

[Up1911Fan]

I'd most likely be down for one to try out as well.

[SentinelGear]

The sentinel mkIII seems like a great design and I really like the dual edge. The only thing is it looks a little on the bigger side for a CC knife. Maybe it's the handle that is making it look bigger then it is. I might be down for one if there is a group buy.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12038309_724594530978183_1386189140213485050_n.jpg ?oh=1ea6b6c6dfe6fade740e376d84b5c89d&oe=5695F757

It's not as big as it might seem. Here's a pic next to a common EDC, the CRKT M16.

The blade stock is 1/8" thick, and the scales are 1/8" thick each when starting out, but they get sculpted and ground down for texturing and lose some width as well. I keep them slim.

It's very easy to conceal.

[SentinelGear]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10685541_724595777644725_5865169905334810365_n.jpg ?oh=89d015c1fc5c25cbbd29b4320638adaf&oe=56919985

[ReverendMeat]

Could you please share a picture of the sheath as well?

[secondstoryguy]

Will it go into the sheath both ways? What steel do you use?

[SentinelGear]

Could you please share a picture of the sheath as well?


The sheath is similar to the one posted on the last page, but I can post more pictures tonight or tomorrow hopefully.

It will go into the sheath one way but the clip is reversible.

Steel is 1095 hi carbon, finish is black oxide coating.

[Gray222]

Start anothee thread for the mkiii and groupbuy?

[DI1]

I like the design of the Sentinel blade and sheath, looks very slim and easy to conceal.
Is it possible to have more of a "hook" on the end of the handle? Would allow for better purchase when deploying in reverse grip.

[aboveandbeyond]

I like the design of the Sentinel blade and sheath, looks very slim and easy to conceal.
Is it possible to have more of a "hook" on the end of the handle? Would allow for better purchase when deploying in reverse grip.

This would be a nice improvement. Sentinelgear is always evolving his blades...


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[theJanitor]

Pictures to come, right [emoji6]

Here's my old 3finger, with a Mummert knives titanium clip attached to the sheath.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/649/21219541794_9ebf0df259_c.jpg

[BaiHu]

Nice looking, thanks.

[masternave]

I'm interested in this group buy…

[PNWTO]

Start anothee thread for the mkiii and groupbuy?

Yep. Pop dat smoke.

[Gray222]

I'm interested in this group buy…

Theres a thread...

[ReverendMeat]

I'm interested in this group buy…

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17392-Sentinel-MkIII-blade-trainer-sheath-group-buy

If I hadn't ordered a SOCP a couple days ago I would'a been interested too, bad timing :(

[_JD_]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/01/a855ae26d0488a77fafe844f9f346f2a.jpg

Happy happy!

[EVP]

JD what blade is that?

I always wanted a David Mosier trigonaut with a dual edge and that blade looks similar.

[_JD_]

JD what blade is that?

I always wanted a David Mosier trigonaut with a dual edge and that blade looks similar.
This is a Compact STX Tanto from Halloran Knives.

This is about 6.5" OAL and is pretty much what I've been looking for in an EDC fixed blade for a while.

[_JD_]

Not JD, but I believe that is a STX Tanto (http://www.halloranknives.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=8) from Halloran Knives (https://www.facebook.com/Halloran-Knives-161626579303). Looks like it is either a compact version or JD has really BIG hands.

ETA: too slow...
Correction, its a "Mini"

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/02/bed6df33ad2c995bd0a2118c7e3dade2.jpg

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I have a Watson Ti HiTS knife enroute to me from Blueline Gear. Should have it before the end of the week. Very excited about this blade. It will be replacing a Strider SLCC Wharncliffe as my backup blade on duty.

Next two blade purchases: Watson Magni in TD sheath and a DPX HEST folder (thanks voodoo...)

[aboveandbeyond]

I have a Watson Ti HiTS knife enroute to me from Blueline Gear. Should have it before the end of the week. Very excited about this blade. It will be replacing a Strider SLCC Wharncliffe as my backup blade on duty.

Next two blade purchases: Watson Magni in TD sheath and a DPX HEST folder (thanks voodoo...)

Youre going to love the magni! http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/06/25d3013f240f75927f4ef790d7952801.jpg


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[Gray222]

I have a Watson Ti HiTS knife enroute to me from Blueline Gear. Should have it before the end of the week. Very excited about this blade. It will be replacing a Strider SLCC Wharncliffe as my backup blade on duty.

Next two blade purchases: Watson Magni in TD sheath and a DPX HEST folder (thanks voodoo...)

Your gana love it

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Your gana love it

Thanks for the recomendation. I never thought much of the DPX line, but after looking at the included features vs. my true uses for a folder it made perfect sense along with a badass fixed CC knife from Watson for defense purposes.

Heartfelt thanks to DB and Joe for creating such a well though out blade and also to Hizzie for documenting/reviewing the blade so thoroughly. I love you guys but my wife/credit card hate you guys.

[SouthNarc]

Correction, its a "Mini"

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/02/bed6df33ad2c995bd0a2118c7e3dade2.jpg


Tom Halloran is solid people.

[Gray222]

Thanks for the recomendation. I never thought much of the DPX line, but after looking at the included features vs. my true uses for a folder it made perfect sense along with a badass fixed CC knife from Watson for defense purposes.

Heartfelt thanks to DB and Joe for creating such a well though out blade and also to Hizzie for documenting/reviewing the blade so thoroughly. I love you guys but my wife/credit card hate you guys.

Did you get a chance to check out my review? I believe I mentioned that thy changed the metal they use from d2 to something else, though it is still pretty good.

Just this week I had my hestf sharpenes by a local guy and it cuts hair now, amazing little blade for what it is.

[Sadmin]

I went with the Ti Small Bowie; I wanted something in the 4" range. Much pleased.

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[Wondering Beard]

I went with the Ti Small Bowie; I wanted something in the 4" range. Much pleased.

3990

I have one myself, great knife.

You're really going to enjoy it.

[theJanitor]

Pictures to come, right [emoji6]

Just arived today. Dress 3finger. 3/16", Koa Handles, Black G19 liners and two leather sheaths (IWB, deep pocket). I think Tom did a fine job. It's very sharp, and very stabby, yet still has alot of nicely shaped edge for general cutting work.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/695/21856555638_19fc587a2c_c.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5641/22032056022_522f1245f9_c.jpg

[BaiHu]

Just arived today. Dress 3finger. 3/16", Koa Handles, Black G19 liners and two leather sheaths (IWB, deep pocket). I think Tom did a fine job. It's very sharp, and very stabby, yet still has alot of nicely shaped edge for general cutting work.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/695/21856555638_19fc587a2c_c.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5641/22032056022_522f1245f9_c.jpg
Gorgeous! Enjoy!

[EPF]

Just arived today. Dress 3finger. 3/16", Koa Handles, Black G19 liners and two leather sheaths (IWB, deep pocket). I think Tom did a fine job. It's very sharp, and very stabby, yet still has alot of nicely shaped edge for general cutting work.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/695/21856555638_19fc587a2c_c.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5641/22032056022_522f1245f9_c.jpg


Great looking knife

[theJanitor]

Thanks. I'm about as tactical as a mop bucket, so I just asked for a utilitarian, yet classy knife that I could use when I dress nicely. I think it'll do well

[45dotACP]

Just arived today. Dress 3finger. 3/16", Koa Handles, Black G19 liners and two leather sheaths (IWB, deep pocket). I think Tom did a fine job. It's very sharp, and very stabby, yet still has alot of nicely shaped edge for general cutting work.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/695/21856555638_19fc587a2c_c.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5641/22032056022_522f1245f9_c.jpg

You sir, have some cool toys!

[Cheap Shot]

I went with the Ti Small Bowie; I wanted something in the 4" range. Much pleased.

3990

VERY NICE!

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Did you get a chance to check out my review? I believe I mentioned that thy changed the metal they use from d2 to something else, though it is still pretty good.

Just this week I had my hestf sharpenes by a local guy and it cuts hair now, amazing little blade for what it is.

I saw that. Looks like they now use German Niolox 60 HRC tool steel. Also a great steel and very hard like D2. Holds an edge very well although I don't think I have the skill to sharpen it properly. Will most likely send it out in the event it needs sharpening.

[Gray222]

Not feeling it...

[orionz06]

Blade looks cool, giant sheath looks expensive, I wonder if they'd knock some money off for a knife only?

[orionz06]

I don't know that it would conceal for many unless they go small of back. That's actually not uncommon among folks trying to capitalize on the fixed blade knife infatuation period. Without any sorta of info on what it was designed for we're left to guess.

[Gray222]

While I am a fan of big double-sided blades (like the full size sog pentagon (goo.gl/tuAg80)), these bigger conceal carry-centric blades are not really concealable.

There is also a misconception that bigger blades mean better, which may be the case in some specific applications, but for conceal carry, I'd prefer a blade like the RAT over many others due to various design features, concealment-ability and other factors.

[Gray222]

BUt then where would I carry my NY reloads?

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https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0258/77/1373260116412.png

[Gray222]

How long is the RAT? The website (http://www.warriorswaytx.com/store/43/rat-training-package/) says that the blade length is 3.5" (0.2" shorter than the Kryptos). Based upon the photos, it looks like the OAL is probably close to 7.5" (but that's just a guess).

Overall, besides the aesthetics, it appears the RAT and Kryptos, are very similar: 3.5" vs 3.7" blade length, 0.75" vs. 0.85" blade width, both are spear points, both have the "pinky hook", both have deep finger choils. Is it the couple tenths of inches in length/width that make the difference? It's an honest question. I literally know nothing about using knives on people.

Lets look at the two side by side, best we can...


http://i.imgur.com/XUd7hMe.jpg


https://www.outlandequipment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Kryptos-K2-01_DE_TE_withSheath_02.png

This is my opinion, based on training and implementation of the RAT and just looking at the K2.

I do not have big Sasquatch sized hands, I can make a RAT disappear in my hand if I wanted to, so I assume most men can to unless they are actually women. With that, my index finger rides the side or the top of the blade in various positions to assist in targeting or stability during engagement. The K2 comes in double-edged or single edged, so while it may be of similar size to the RAT, in a double-edged design you'll end up self-inflicting during striking with any other grip than a full grip or a full reverse grip.

The K2 also has ridges on the back of the handle and the blade itself, for what purpose? It does not help the blade to be more stable in your hand, that comes from grip design and smooth edges of the grip, which the K2 does not have, when compared to the clearly smoother edges of the RAT. The K2 has a choil, which is the product of either lack of understanding what blades do when they go through clothing/skin or laziness. Any "fighting knife" that has a choil was designed by someone who doesn't understand that skin, clothing and whatever else gets caught (like bone) will get stuck and bunched up there, the K2 actually has two choil's on their double sided models.

Blade grip design is also important, the RAT has a grip that is just slightly thicker than the blade, and allows the spine of the blade (center of the spear point) to be above the grip, there is logic in that based from experience of use (a pedigree, if you will) while the K2 has a thick grip with a huge groove that does not share the same characteristics.

There are other issues that I can see may be a factor but without handling the K2 I cannot speak to (thumb capping, grip being offlined and not allowing for power assisting) and a few others.

That's just off the top of my head.

[Shellback]

Saw the Sosby Blades Spike (http://sosbyblades.tictail.com) on Chris Fry's site. Similar to the Dynamis RAT and Sentinel Mk III.

http://images.ttcdn.co/media/i/product/325468-bdbd0584a06049d1bb58b736a39be025.jpeg?size=500

[UNK]

These characteristics are undesirable on the K2 but aren't some of these you mention the same as on the MKIII?


Lets look at the two side by side, best we can...


http://i.imgur.com/XUd7hMe.jpg


https://www.outlandequipment.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Kryptos-K2-01_DE_TE_withSheath_02.png

This is my opinion, based on training and implementation of the RAT and just looking at the K2.

The K2 comes in double-edged or single edged, so while it may be of similar size to the RAT, in a double-edged design you'll end up self-inflicting during striking with any other grip than a full grip or a full reverse grip.

The K2 also has ridges on the back of the handle and the blade itself, for what purpose? It does not help the blade to be more stable in your hand, that comes from grip design and smooth edges of the grip, which the K2 does not have, when compared to the clearly smoother edges of the RAT. The K2 has a choil, which is the product of either lack of understanding what blades do when they go through clothing/skin or laziness. Any "fighting knife" that has a choil was designed by someone who doesn't understand that skin, clothing and whatever else gets caught (like bone) will get stuck and bunched up there, the K2 actually has two choil's on their double sided models.

Blade grip design is also important, the RAT has a grip that is just slightly thicker than the blade, and allows the spine of the blade (center of the spear point) to be above the grip, there is logic in that based from experience of use (a pedigree, if you will) while the K2 has a thick grip with a huge groove that does not share the same characteristics.

There are other issues that I can see may be a factor but without handling the K2 I cannot speak to (thumb capping, grip being offlined and not allowing for power assisting) and a few others.

That's just off the top of my head.

[Gray222]

These characteristics are undesirable on the K2 but aren't some of these you mention the same as on the MKIII?

Some yes, doesn't mean the blade is worthless to try, or maybe it is?

To each his own I guess?

[808sheriff]

Has anyone received their MKIII's?

[SouthNarc]

Has anyone received their MKIII's?

I got a shipping notice and mine should be in tomorrow.

[Shellback]

Dynamis has 20% off for those who want the RAT. Code: crushturkey

[Glenn E. Meyer]

How do laws against dirks, daggers, stilettos and knives designed for stabbing interact with a double edged carry knife? You find such definitions in laws in TX or OR - IIRC.

[Gray222]

How do laws against dirks, daggers, stilettos and knives designed for stabbing interact with a double edged carry knife? You find such definitions in laws in TX or OR - IIRC.

Depending on the place and how militantly liberal they are with their laws, it can be argued that a blade with two sharp sides has no other lawful use other than being an offensive weapon. Yes this is broad and envelopes many items not just blades, but their laws, their rules.

[Attila]

...Blade grip design is also important, the RAT has a grip that is just slightly thicker than the blade, and allows the spine of the blade (center of the spear point) to be above the grip, there is logic in that based from experience of use (a pedigree, if you will) while the K2 has a thick grip with a huge groove that does not share the same characteristics.

There are other issues that I can see may be a factor but without handling the K2 I cannot speak to (thumb capping, grip being offlined and not allowing for power assisting) and a few others.
...

hey, voodoo_man - could you walk me through these explanations? I'm on the same page for most of what you wrote but I'm not following when you say that the RAT grip allows the spine of the blade to be above the grip. I'm also lost when you say that the grip's offlined on the K2. Thanks!

[Gray222]

hey, voodoo_man - could you walk me through these explanations? I'm on the same page for most of what you wrote but I'm not following when you say that the RAT grip allows the spine of the blade to be above the grip. I'm also lost when you say that the grip's offlined on the K2. Thanks!

If you dont mind, i am a few glasses into my favorite henny so ill respond tomorrow.

[secondstoryguy]

Besides being a poor copy of the RAT knife, the Outland blade looks to be as ergonomic as a prison shiv. While I'm sure it would look cool in your loadout on Battlefield 4, all the sharp edges on that thing would tear your hands up if you trained with it. The hands and body are round and organic and martial implements should mimic these features.

[Gray222]

http://bushcraftknifeguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/colored-Knife-anatomy-drawing-labeled-draft.png

Using the above anatomy diagram, I will retract the term "spine" as I did not mean it as how it is depicted above, for simplifying the terminology so that it is understandable.


Blade grip design is also important, the RAT has a grip that is just slightly thicker than the blade, and allows the spine of the blade (center of the spear point) to be above the grip, there is logic in that based from experience of use (a pedigree, if you will) while the K2 has a thick grip with a huge groove that does not share the same characteristics.

Essentially look at the end of the Primary Bevel where it meets a Secondary Bevel on both blades. On the RAT the primary bevel ends with about 1/4 of the blade beveled to a spear point. The K2's primary bevel ends with about 1/2 of the blade beveled to a spear point.

Now look at the line of the primary bevel on both blades, I called this line the "spine" but for simplicity it is the line where two bevel's meet or the "grind line" or the "center face" of the blade, whichever makes it easier for the concept to be understood.

If you look at the K2 the large finger groove ends just above this line, and there are no other groove so your hand is slightly off center, upward (towards the back of the blade) facing, this will move your grip off-center of the "grind line" essentially making you fight the blade when you are using it. If you look at the RAT, it is almost at the same exact spot where the first groove ends.

Unless the K2 was designed as a Japanese style slashing sword, its grip should not be offline from the point:

http://www.sakuramartialarts.com/v/vspfiles/images/swordkatanaanatomy001.gif



See the "SORI" line? That is the line from edge to bade, if that line (called something different in English, though I can't seem to find it right now) is behind the grip then the blade is designed for slashing.

If you look another blade made by the same guy who makes the RAT, the Drengar:

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/t1.0-9/1958338_713541018697270_360289277_n.jpg?oh=7cce555 2eca91f0aaeecd6c6398af38b&oe=56DCD7B6

The center of the blade, the tip is run down the middle, this blade is made specifically for stabbing, deep penetration with very little to no fighting against the blade.

The RAT is designed slightly in the same manner, allowing for a primary "stabbing" function, but also is good at slashing because of the overall design of the blade.

As I said, some blades have pedigree's than others, and there is a lot more, but that's not for me to explain online.

[orionz06]

I'm confused. I thought the Dynamis blade and the RAT were different knives made by different people.

Yeah, I'm lost as well. There isn't enough time to keep track of who is supposed to hate who in those groups.

[jc000]

I'm confused. I thought the Dynamis blade and the RAT were different knives made by different people.

It's for the Dynamis blade, not the RAT: https://www.dynamisalliance.com/gear/dynamis-blade

$367 for blade / trainer / sheath. Awesome!

[Up1911Fan]

It's for the Dynamis blade, not the RAT: https://www.dynamisalliance.com/gear/dynamis-blade

$367 for blade / trainer / sheath. Awesome!

Actually comes out to $447.

[jc000]

Actually comes out to $447.

Not in my cart it didn't. There are multiple packages. Above was for singled edged without the military / LE sheath.

[Shellback]

I'm confused. I thought the Dynamis blade and the RAT were different knives made by different people.

Sorry, meant the Dynamis blade... Got myself confused with too many tabs open.

[Attila]

voodoo_man, thanks for the detailed reply. It looks to me like the primary bevel on both blades is approximately half the width of the blade. Were you referring to the small swedge on the RAT vs. the spear point grind on the K2?

It appears to me that both blades have a handle offset relative to the blade. The RAT has more ergonomic curves while the K2 doesn't, though. I can see where the K2 finger groove is deeper, but won't both designs point the blade slightly forward?

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ETA: orange line is the grind line/primary bevel, green segments showing proportion of swedge/spear point grind relative to rest of blade.

[Gray222]

The blades are not aligned the same in the photos so its a little off, but I hope you guys get the concept. You want a stabby type blade to be designed for stabbing and a slashy for slashing.

[secondstoryguy]

Thanks for the 411 on the Dynamis discount, I bought one. I've been wanting one but even with the LEO discount it was a little too much $$$. $447 shipped ain't cheap but considering it's made by Winkler, has a really nice sheath and a quality trainer I think it's worth it at that price.

On a side note I've been carrying a recently aquired RAT and I really like it. It's slighly smaller than my Bloodshark, the blade is of a design that I can use for everyday tasks and it locks into the hand when going all stabby with it. It also appears to be made very well.

[RevolverRob]

Criminal and wrong are not always the same thing.

Loving this quote.

If you aren't investing some amount of money in stashing inexpensive knives everywhere you may need one, you're not adequately preparing. Are good knives better? Sure. But for what a Spyderco Delica costs, I can buy half a dozen 3" paring knives that will do the job of ruining someone's day and be completely and utterly invisible to most people. A sheathed paring knife in a backpack with a fork and spoon? Utensils. A paring knife in your desk drawer at work? A letter opener/apple slicer. A paring knife in the glovebox with some duct tape? Emergency kit for dealing with a blown heater hose.

Brightly colored ones are virtually invisible to most people as innocuous tools and frankly that is what they are. In NPEs I've seen visceral reactions to pocket knives with clips. A Clinch Pick unconcealed on my belt? Forget it. But a paring knife in my desk drawer? No biggy. One in my bag and I use it to slice an apple at lunch? It's just a tool. On my way home, I can slip it in my pocket. If I set it up properly a quick attach/detach static cord can go on and it can be conveniently secreted on my person. It can be disposed of without significant financial or sentimental loss. I can't say the same for some of my other knives. If a cop took the Emerson CQC-9 custom folder that my wife and I got together at our first Blade Show I would be fucking devastated about that loss (which is also why I never carry the damn thing).

I certainly appreciate carrying a stout, effective knife, and do so with regularity. I also recognize the utility of having a sharp knife, anywhere and everywhere I may spend significant time. It's just handy to do that. Plus, every once in awhile, I forget to put a knife on and it's nice to have a spare. Just make sure you empty them out before heading to the airport. Of course...if it's a $4 paring knife that TSA takes, who cares?

-Rob

[Stone]

ESEE 4 with a clip point. Neck carry. http://www.bladehq.com/item--ESEE-Knives-ESEE-4P-CP-TG-B-Clip--26922

[UNK]

From Puma Denmark. An anniversary knife. If they went production on this I would buy one.

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[rjohnson4405]

http://www.benchmade.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/86x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/5/15016-1_agency_1000x310.jpg

http://www.benchmade.com/fixedbladeknives/hidden-canyon-hunter-family.html

I like Benchmade's new offering, not too expensive. Right size for my 3" limit jurisdiction.

[zeleny]

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Turkish twist Damascus Bowie by Jerry Rados; gold inlay by Jeff Harkins. (https://goo.gl/photos/sZm8n39aUB2eaENU9)

[El Cid]

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Turkish twist Damascus Bowie by Jerry Rados; gold inlay by Jeff Harkins. (https://goo.gl/photos/sZm8n39aUB2eaENU9)

You conceal carry that? :eek:

[45dotACP]

Loving this quote.

If you aren't investing some amount of money in stashing inexpensive knives everywhere you may need one, you're not adequately preparing. Are good knives better? Sure. But for what a Spyderco Delica costs, I can buy half a dozen 3" paring knives that will do the job of ruining someone's day and be completely and utterly invisible to most people. A sheathed paring knife in a backpack with a fork and spoon? Utensils. A paring knife in your desk drawer at work? A letter opener/apple slicer. A paring knife in the glovebox with some duct tape? Emergency kit for dealing with a blown heater hose.

Brightly colored ones are virtually invisible to most people as innocuous tools and frankly that is what they are. In NPEs I've seen visceral reactions to pocket knives with clips. A Clinch Pick unconcealed on my belt? Forget it. But a paring knife in my desk drawer? No biggy. One in my bag and I use it to slice an apple at lunch? It's just a tool. On my way home, I can slip it in my pocket. If I set it up properly a quick attach/detach static cord can go on and it can be conveniently secreted on my person. It can be disposed of without significant financial or sentimental loss. I can't say the same for some of my other knives. If a cop took the Emerson CQC-9 custom folder that my wife and I got together at our first Blade Show I would be fucking devastated about that loss (which is also why I never carry the damn thing).

I certainly appreciate carrying a stout, effective knife, and do so with regularity. I also recognize the utility of having a sharp knife, anywhere and everywhere I may spend significant time. It's just handy to do that. Plus, every once in awhile, I forget to put a knife on and it's nice to have a spare. Just make sure you empty them out before heading to the airport. Of course...if it's a $4 paring knife that TSA takes, who cares?

-Rob
Knew a guy who kept a sharpened shovel in his car for just that reason...and that thing was sharp...

Sent from my VS876 using Tapatalk

[zeleny]

You conceal carry that? :eek:California’s Penal Code Section 21310 bans concealed carry of dirks and daggers, defined under Penal Code Section 16470 as a knife or other instrument, with or without a hand guard, that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon, and that may inflict a significant or substantial physical injury or death. In other words, even a sharpened pencil qualifies as a dirk or a dagger under a literal reading of the statutes. Thankfully, there is little general regulation of concealed carry of non-assisted folders and open carry of any kind of knives.

[El Cid]

California’s Penal Code Section 21310 bans concealed carry of dirks and daggers, defined under Penal Code Section 16470 as a knife or other instrument, with or without a hand guard, that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon, and that may inflict a significant or substantial physical injury or death. In other words, even a sharpened pencil qualifies as a dirk or a dagger under a literal reading of the statutes. Thankfully, there is little general regulation of concealed carry of non-assisted folders and open carry of any kind of knives.

I was confused by your posting a pic of the Bowie in a thread about knives for CCW.

And that's one more reason not to live in Kalifornia.

[msstate56]

Any opinions on the Sosby Spike vs the Sentinel Mk3? Both can be had in 154cm with a good sheath and trainer. They seem very similar, with the spike being cheaper. Also, what's the consensus on chisel ground blades? I have very limited experience with chisel grinds. I'm not spending more on a knife than the G19 already on my belt, so the RAT is out.

[Mr Pink]

If you aren't investing some amount of money in stashing inexpensive knives everywhere you may need one, you're not adequately preparing. Are good knives better? Sure. But for what a Spyderco Delica costs, I can buy half a dozen 3" paring knives that will do the job of ruining someone's day and be completely and utterly invisible to most people. A sheathed paring knife in a backpack with a fork and spoon? Utensils. A paring knife in your desk drawer at work? A letter opener/apple slicer. A paring knife in the glovebox with some duct tape? Emergency kit for dealing with a blown heater hose.

Brightly colored ones are virtually invisible to most people as innocuous tools and frankly that is what they are. In NPEs I've seen visceral reactions to pocket knives with clips. A Clinch Pick unconcealed on my belt? Forget it. But a paring knife in my desk drawer? No biggy. One in my bag and I use it to slice an apple at lunch? It's just a tool. On my way home, I can slip it in my pocket. If I set it up properly a quick attach/detach static cord can go on and it can be conveniently secreted on my person. It can be disposed of without significant financial or sentimental loss. I can't say the same for some of my other knives. If a cop took the Emerson CQC-9 custom folder that my wife and I got together at our first Blade Show I would be fucking devastated about that loss (which is also why I never carry the damn thing).

I certainly appreciate carrying a stout, effective knife, and do so with regularity. I also recognize the utility of having a sharp knife, anywhere and everywhere I may spend significant time. It's just handy to do that. Plus, every once in awhile, I forget to put a knife on and it's nice to have a spare. Just make sure you empty them out before heading to the airport. Of course...if it's a $4 paring knife that TSA takes, who cares?

-Rob
I'm in agreement with Rob, but not ghetto enough to carry a pairing knife ;)

I carry a CRKT Thunder Strike inside my waist band. I found it on sale through MidwayUSA for about $20. You can also find it for under $30 on Amazon. I've eventually ran out of pocket blades issued when I was in the military. All either broken, lost or taken by TSA. Now that I have to pay for my own stuff, I've bought several Bryd Delica (Spyderco designs but made under the Byrd brand) and Kershaws online for around $20 each.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I had on my pocket a Delica for ages at the NPE university environment. Only had a kid from Malaysia (who was knife fan) ever mention it. Hung around the campus law with no problem but they knew me well. I see them all the time in TX. I do know faculty who had similar ones in the pocket. Other pocket clip guy had a nice tactical but he was a SEAL (yes, for real - not made up). I used the knife to open packages all the time in front of people. On my desk I had a big claw hammer than we used as a stimulus in an experiment.

It's PARING Knife - BTW, I've mentioned several times, the case were an old guy got into a huff and puff with a young stud after a fender bender. Old guy took out the paring knife and stuck into the stud's chest - DRT. A sweet spot.

[aboveandbeyond]

Any opinions on the Sosby Spike vs the Sentinel Mk3? Both can be had in 154cm with a good sheath and trainer. They seem very similar, with the spike being cheaper. Also, what's the consensus on chisel ground blades? I have very limited experience with chisel grinds. I'm not spending more on a knife than the G19 already on my belt, so the RAT is out.

I have a MK3 and its definitey g2g. Chisels are really designed to be used for axes, so its more of a chopper that doesn't need to be sharpened often. Just sharp enough to chop through things with a HEAVY spine. Chisels take less time to sharpen due to the edge being only on one side.

MK3s can be grinded standard V grind or chisel. I do prefer the former since its a smaller "application" based blade. With a chisel grind, you're pretty much going to be thusting or stabbing. Slicing and cutting may a be lacking.

With a V grind, you have more options!

[msstate56]

Thanks for the advice. I didn't know they would do a V grind on the Mk3, I would definitely prefer that.

[Digiroc]

My straight knife collection:

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From top left:

Blacky Collins (hard sheath not shown) at right Another Blackie Collins design Gerber

Gerber TAC II (first production run 1985)

Bottom two: no name but nice knives

And working knives:

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Digiroc

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I got that Gerber rafting knife but mine is double edged, sharp and saw tooth on both edges. Used it in the NW when I live there and rafted.

[Digiroc]

Glenn, we go rafting and whitewater canoeing here in Pennsylvania too.

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That's my wife and I in our canoe "going over the falls" at Ohiopyle State Park (photoshopped)

Digioroc

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Neat - I think I'll pass nowadays. This is funny. We did the Deschutes on a trip led by a psychologist friend who was a professional rafter guide too and did Africa, etc. She had some awful stories about going through Saudi customs as a tall blonde woman.

Anyway, there was a class 4 on the river. When you went through it, you would pull to the side and watch others. You could also buy a Polaroid (OLD) of your passage. So we are watching and this rafter pulls into shore.

A guy gets out saying:

We made it. Ha Ha!
Ha Ha Ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha!

The nice state troopers took him off to the hospital, still laughing. Can't make this up.

[Digiroc]

Going perhaps over the top, here are my swords:

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The larger sword is a Ninja style Katana, razor sharp, I'd rather be shot than cut with that.

Beside it is my Cold Steel sword cane, the ultimate concealed weapon. When I cut my leg with a chainsaw I had to use a cane for awhile so I decided why not a concealed sword. Awesome weapon, it can be used as bludgeon until your opponent grabs the aluminum tube sheath, at which point you pull the sword free.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL0Y-GhU2Io&feature=youtu.be

Digiroc

[Digiroc]

Neat - I think I'll pass nowadays. This is funny. We did the Deschutes on a trip led by a psychologist friend who was a professional rafter guide too and did Africa, etc. She had some awful stories about going through Saudi customs as a tall blonde woman.

Anyway, there was a class 4 on the river. When you went through it, you would pull to the side and watch others. You could also buy a Polaroid (OLD) of your passage. So we are watching and this rafter pulls into shore.

A guy gets out saying:

We made it. Ha Ha!
Ha Ha Ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha!

The nice state troopers took him off to the hospital, still laughing. Can't make this up.

It's been awhile since we've gotten the canoe out, but once while I was at an overlook by the falls depicted in my photoshopped image I saw a guy coming down the river wearing a Darth Vader helmet paddling down towards the falls. He shot straight off the top and his kayak plunged completely out of sight under the waters below ...

After a moment he popped up like a rubber duck and paddled off down the river. It's illegal to shoot the falls there so the Darth Vader helmet was to preserve his identity from the Park Rangers.

Digiroc

[acaixguard]

Got the Rat blade I ordered from Headhunter Blade's Memorial Day weekend sale...

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[Gray222]

Got the Rat blade I ordered from Headhunter Blade's Memorial Day weekend sale...

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dat texture doe

[PNWTO]

Got the Rat blade I ordered from Headhunter Blade's Memorial Day weekend sale...

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Are they doing that grip texture in-house now? Might have to finally order one.

[Gray222]

Are they doing that grip texture in-house now? Might have to finally order one.

I've only seen this with the newer one's.

[acaixguard]

Yep, it's done by Harley Elmore in house, if requested at the time of order.

[PNWTO]

Beside it is my Cold Steel sword cane, the ultimate concealed weapon.




oh god...

[UNK]

In your opinion is the new style better?


I've only seen this with the newer one's.

[UNK]

Actually it can be requested even if order has already been placed


Yep, it's done by Harley Elmore in house, if requested at the time of order.

[acaixguard]

That's true, and Harley will do that treatment on any Rat done in the past if you send it back to him and just cover shipping.

I just mentioned to request it when ordering to make it easier.

[Gray222]

In your opinion is the new style better?

I don't know of either is better I just like it more aesthetically

[SouthNarc]

Brand new Joe Watson double edged Pikal done in Walnut. To go with my Lobbs....





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[SLG]

Brand new Joe Watson double edged Pikal done in Walnut. To go with my Lobbs....





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Dandy.

[SouthNarc]

Dandy.


You bet!

[JPedersen]

Saw a similar one from him at Blade Show this year ... Great workmanship ... Really cool knife maker. Congrats!


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[JDM]

Brand new Joe Watson double edged Pikal done in Walnut. To go with my Lobbs....





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If there is a classier large intestine removal tool for sale, I have yet to lay eyes on it.

That is lovely!

[SeriousStudent]

Joe is also a very nice guy, and a great shooter to boot.

He's done a lot charitable work for Mission 22 as well. Please consider that when investing in a blade. He is a good man.

[Wondering Beard]

Brand new Joe Watson double edged Pikal done in Walnut. To go with my Lobbs....





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Me like ... a lot.

I recently got the single edge Ti version. Great knife and easier on my wrist than the Disciple.

[Holmes375]

Saving my pennies for a nice custom and until then this China Pick gets the call. Mr. Watson did a fabulous job of re-grinding the blade and re-shaping the grip. The Dark Star sheath is even more compact and efficient than the version I made. Very happy with the pair.

[Dominator]

I have been carrying and practicing with a Benchmade SOCP dagger. Great little knife. I went with the serrated edge on this to make it a little more "all purpose". It comes sharpened on the top, but I hit it myself with my turn box. I love the ring on the top. I can draw this with either hand, on my back or my stomach and can easily transition to my firearm if needed.

[orionz06]

Saving my pennies for a nice custom and until then this China Pick gets the call. Mr. Watson did a fabulous job of re-grinding the blade and re-shaping the grip. The Dark Star sheath is even more compact and efficient than the version I made. Very happy with the pair.

Love the grip work, glad you dig the sheath.


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[Cecil Burch]

87278727


Ban Tang "Super Clinchpick"

[NickA]

Saving my pennies for a nice custom and until then this China Pick gets the call. Mr. Watson did a fabulous job of re-grinding the blade and re-shaping the grip. The Dark Star sheath is even more compact and efficient than the version I made. Very happy with the pair.
If you get a chance could you post another pic showing the width of the handle after the grip work?
I've thought I might like some texture added to mine, but not sure how much of the "egg" it takes away.

[Irelander]

Saving my pennies for a nice custom and until then this China Pick gets the call. Mr. Watson did a fabulous job of re-grinding the blade and re-shaping the grip. The Dark Star sheath is even more compact and efficient than the version I made. Very happy with the pair.

Can you elaborate on the regrind? What did he re-grind and for what purpose? Genuinely interested.

[Holmes375]

Here you go:

[NickA]

Here you go:
Thanks. Not much of a reduction, which is good I think.

[Willard]

Cecil, What is that small light with pocket shield and clinch pick?

[Holmes375]

The re-grind changes the blade to a deep hollow grind. Easy to maintain an edge without re-profiling. The knife's slash is just incredible now. I can carve an 'S' through a sheet of newspaper without a snag. Took it a friend's processing business where we played with some limbs wrapped in standard Carhartt material. I sure wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of this knife. The edge seems to be holding up quite well but I haven't abused it on bone.

I still drool over the customs and I plan to have one in the future but these mods to my Clinch Pick have made an economical production knife a little more effective in its intended role. The blade change has also made me appreciate the Dark Star sheath even more as its easier to draw and re-holster the knife without running the the edge against the Kydex with his design. The grip work, blade work and sheath cost about the same as the knife did originally but I'd surely do it all again.

*The knife tip appears blunt in the picture but its actually embedded in the cedar fence slat to keep it positioned ;)

[Holmes375]

Thanks. Not much of a reduction, which is good I think.

Agreed. I have large hands and it works well for me. My only regret is not having sent my trainer in for a similar grip job. Don't know what I was thinkin' ;)

[NickA]

Agreed. I have large hands and it works well for me. My only regret is not having sent my trainer in for a similar grip job. Don't know what I was thinkin' ;)
D'oh 😀
I'll have to keep an eye out if he ever opens back up for CP mods, or get it done somewhere else.

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[Cecil Burch]

Cecil, What is that small light with pocket shield and clinch pick?

It is a sadly discontinued Quark Tactical. I was fortunate to buy two of them, but I am sad they are no longer available. They were a perfect light for my needs.


Here:

http://www.opticsplanet.com/4sevens-quark-tactical-qtlc-flashlight-w-o-clip.html

[Willard]

Thank you. Looked like exactly what I was looking for. Too bad.

[Cecil Burch]

Thank you. Looked like exactly what I was looking for. Too bad.

I know what you mean. I found them to be the prefect EDC light for civilian carry. Simple to use, pretty durable, and not too big. I carry them in tailored fit dress pants and they are not noticeable, but they do everything I need them to do. I was crushed when they were discontinued.

[SeriousStudent]

It is a sadly discontinued Quark Tactical. I was fortunate to buy two of them, but I am sad they are no longer available. They were a perfect light for my needs.


Here:

http://www.opticsplanet.com/4sevens-quark-tactical-qtlc-flashlight-w-o-clip.html

Hi Cecil,

Actually, 4Sevens is still selling them on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/4sevens4

They have one less in stock now, I just snagged one.

Hope that helps.

[vcdgrips]

If that is the two mode "setable" light that is a smoking price. About 1/2 of retail from back in the day. I recently paid full retail thinking I had lost my circa 2009 one only to find it three days after the new one showed up.

[Willard]

Actually, 4Sevens is still selling them on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/4sevens4

They have one less in stock now, I just snagged one.

Hope that helps.

Thanks Serious. I just got one (clip model) as well. Appreciate the assist.

[SeriousStudent]

My pleasure, glad to help.

[Mirolynmonbro]

two questions..

what's a good way to train with a straight blade? besides getting a training blade to go with it.. what kind of drills should I be practicing?

also, what kinds of setups are you all using with the pocket shield? A light + blade looks like it would workout for me with the way I dress

[zeleny]

what's a good way to train with a straight blade? besides getting a training blade to go with it.. what kind of drills should I be practicing?It’s a common misconception that there are no rules in a knife fight (https://youtu.be/NPqhm36sjVE). To the contrary, the one and only rule of a knife fight is: the edge wounds, the point kills (http://larvatus.livejournal.com/101653.html). Practice accordingly.

[1slow]

IMHO practice accessing/drawing and stabbing repeatedly. Look at Craig Douglas' material.
Use NOK trainers and train force on force. Use sharps or metal trainers on a striking post/dummy. Set your range timer, beep, draw, stab HARD repeatedly to face neck etc...
IN FOF hardest thing is accessing and getting the point into the target.

[TCinVA]

https://www.amazon.com/Shivworks-Products-Group-Clinch-Pick/dp/B01H810BJS

The Clinch Pick is now on Amazon. Which means you can support Shivworks and PF if you buy it from amazon through that link!

[Wondering Beard]

Got one.

Well, I had gotten one yesterday but doing it from PF contributes to the site so getting PF a little extra money and getting an extra CP just worked right.

[Gray222]

hmmmm

[Gray222]

I sent the guys at Warrior's Way an email a couple of months ago and asked about the possibility of getting a RAT with the edge ground on the other side, sort of a reverse edge RAT, like this:

9180

I never heard back from them. I guess they didn't think it was a good idea.

I had to look at that twice...

[43Under]

I've already got a CP and trainer otherwise I'd be all over that Amazon thing.

Is there any final verdict on the Sentinel Mk III? The ones on their website look more, ah, polished, than the ones people got in the group buy.

[Wondering Beard]

I sent the guys at Warrior's Way an email a couple of months ago and asked about the possibility of getting a RAT with the edge ground on the other side, sort of a reverse edge RAT, like this:

9180

I never heard back from them. I guess they didn't think it was a good idea.

Neat idea, though I'm not sure it works best with that design. You kinda lose the ripping quality by keeping that rounded geometry, and it makes it tougher to use that edge for light cutting work. It should still penetrate easily though. Personally, when I've wanted edge-in with that knife (in reverse grip) I just turned the grip around in my hand; it doesn't have the best feel but it's quite doable.

Still, if you ever get it made, I'd like to hear how it works out for you :-)

[SouthNarc]

I sent the guys at Warrior's Way an email a couple of months ago and asked about the possibility of getting a RAT with the edge ground on the other side, sort of a reverse edge RAT, like this:

9180

I never heard back from them. I guess they didn't think it was a good idea.


I actually like the RAT quite a bit as is. I think if you want an inner edge blade you should go with something built specifically for that.

[Wondering Beard]

I actually like the RAT quite a bit as is. I think if you want an inner edge blade you should go with something built specifically for that.

Something like this? :-)

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[RevolverRob]

Yeah, when I sent them the email. I said I'd understand if they didn't want to do it. I'm certainly no expert (I doubt I'd even qualify as a novice). I'd probably not respond to stupid requests either. :)

Tom - Sentinel Knives - Mk3 P’kal - http://www.sentinelconcealmentgear.com/#!blades/cqiw

[SouthNarc]

Something like this? :-)

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Yup! Maybe dress it up with a little bit of stabilized Walnut if you want something really pimpin'.....;)

[Wondering Beard]

Yup! Maybe dress it up with a little bit of stabilized Walnut if you want something really pimpin'.....;)

So like that?

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From Joe Watson's Facebook page

Yes, I'm trying to promote his stuff; no, I don't have any financial interest in his work outside of buying more of his great blades. :-)

[Wondering Beard]

I'm pretty sure he was referring to one of his own posts from a couple pages back:

I know :-)

[Wondering Beard]

No problem :-)

[Matthew]

Hey everyone, quick question.

I'm looking to add a small fixed blade to my EDC, especially since I'll be in more NPE environments.

I don't have a high budget, so I don't have have the dime for a RAT or Watson HiTS.

So, I'm looking at some cheaper options like: CRKT Folts Minimalist, Cold Steel Secret Edge, or a Clinch Pick (I may throw up a JMCK holster to get some extra cash for a Clinch Pick). I'd probably throw them in a Blade Rigs sheath or ask Tom to make a sheath for the Minimalist or Secret Edge.

Any thoughts on those two cheaper options?

[blues]

Hey everyone, quick question.

I'm looking to add a small fixed blade to my EDC, especially since I'll be in more NPE environments.

I don't have a high budget, so I don't have have the dime for a RAT or Watson HiTS.

So, I'm looking at some cheaper options like: CRKT Folts Minimalist, Cold Steel Secret Edge, or a Clinch Pick (I may throw up a JMCK holster to get some extra cash for a Clinch Pick). I'd probably throw them in a Blade Rigs sheath or ask Tom to make a sheath for the Minimalist or Secret Edge.

Any thoughts on those two cheaper options?

Matthew, if I were going to have to rely on one or the other in self defense mode, I'd pick either of the Folts models over the Cold Steel version.

[Holmes375]

Matthew, if I were going to have to rely on one or the other in self defense mode, I'd pick either of the Folts models over the Cold Steel version.

Concur.

[Wondering Beard]

Hey everyone, quick question.

I'm looking to add a small fixed blade to my EDC, especially since I'll be in more NPE environments.

I don't have a high budget, so I don't have have the dime for a RAT or Watson HiTS.

So, I'm looking at some cheaper options like: CRKT Folts Minimalist, Cold Steel Secret Edge, or a Clinch Pick (I may throw up a JMCK holster to get some extra cash for a Clinch Pick). I'd probably throw them in a Blade Rigs sheath or ask Tom to make a sheath for the Minimalist or Secret Edge.

Any thoughts on those two cheaper options?

I guess it, in part depends on what your primary use is going to be (work or defense or what combination of both, or maybe some other specialized use for you) and what training you have had.
I don't have any experience with either the Folts or the Secret Edge, so I can only comment from the photos and they both look as if they both have some versatility for work but the Folts is more likely to stay in your hand (unlike the Secret Edge) if you have to fight with it (don't pick the wharncliffe blade if your defensive techniques involves stabbing primarily).

The Clinch Pick is pretty much defense oriented but if all the work you do with it is opening mail and boxes, it will do fine (cutting tomatoes to make a sandwich is not really within its capabilities); on the other hand, the CP is probably the most straightforward to use for defensive purposes (pointy end in soft stuff, rip out, lather rinse repeat).

The CRKT Obake designs (large and/or small) look pretty good and support a reverse grip approach to defending yourself while having a good cutting blade (going by photos only).

Long story short, for pure defense only, get a CP, for more versatility, the Folts or Obake are better.

[Matthew]

It will be specifically for defensive purposes, especially in NPE environments. I have been leaning toward the CP, but I'm going to need to move some extra HK P2000 accessories to buy it.

I think the Obake looks like a nice option, too. Similar to the Secret Edge, I don't necessarily like the lack of a finger choil/jimping.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

https://www.amazon.com/Shivworks-Products-Group-Clinch-Pick/dp/B01H810BJS

The Clinch Pick is now on Amazon. Which means you can support Shivworks and PF if you buy it from amazon through that link!

So if I share this link with people, even if they click on it from, say, a text...PF benefits?

I have some coworkers looking to buy, so if I can force them to unwittingly support PF...ha!

[orionz06]

I think the production Clinch Pick is worth the small price increase and it, IMHO, works better in a greater variety of environments than most of the others listed.





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[Maple Syrup Actual]

Primary goal: prepare for the apocalypse and/or minor pre-apocalyptic incidents that remind me of the apocalypse
Secondary goal: promote and support friends and teammates under all circumstances

Getting someone to buy a clinch pick through a link that supports PFC is basically achieving the primary and secondary goals in an infinite loop of primary and secondary achievement and I feel like it's worth pursuing for the karmic feedback effect alone. It's like creating a physical moebius strip of personal physical preparedness. The more attempts I make at closing the loop, the more it appears to be an infinite, non-repeating pattern.







I admit I have been drinking.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Wow.

Okay still, I'll promote the essay - length version.

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[Maple Syrup Actual]

I'm not sure it will work. I just tried clicking on it and it does seem to. Just share this one:




:)

Link cut because I pasted it into a text.



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[Wondering Beard]

It will be specifically for defensive purposes, especially in NPE environments. I have been leaning toward the CP, but I'm going to need to move some extra HK P2000 accessories to buy it.

I think the Obake looks like a nice option, too. Similar to the Secret Edge, I don't necessarily like the lack of a finger choil/jimping.

I'd use the Obake in forward grip only for work cutting (though a properly done cord wrap is plenty sticky) and reverse grip only for defense with the thumb on top of the butt.

[Matthew]

I think the production Clinch Pick is worth the small price increase and it, IMHO, works better in a greater variety of environments than most of the others listed.

Agreed. I'm going to go with the CP.

I think I'll be coming to you for a clip sheath, so I can have it when I go for a run, etc.


I'd use the Obake in forward grip only for work cutting (though a properly done cord wrap is plenty sticky) and reverse grip only for defense with the thumb on top of the butt.

I really appreciate your input; reinforced the decision for a CP.

[Wondering Beard]

You're getting a good knife :-)

[Holmes375]

Agreed. I'm going to go with the CP.

I think I'll be coming to you for a clip sheath, so I can have it when I go for a run, etc.

I really appreciate your input; reinforced the decision for a CP.

Good choice - and you'll love his sheath.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Totally go with the sheath as well. I have one. It changed the knife for me.

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[Matthew]

Totally go with the sheath as well. I have one. It changed the knife for me.

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Placed my order on Amazon for the CP. I will be picking up the clip holster from Tom soon, but my little guy just arrived earlier this week, so watching my hobby spending for the time being.

[Gray222]

Obake


Want....

[blues]

Seeing the Obake reminded me of a couple of custom knives I have had in my collection for several years:

Al Polkowski:

https://s9.postimg.org/q5hoxcnmn/Polkowski3.jpg

My first forged blade by an ABS master smith, Wally Hayes:

https://s4.postimg.org/iwhgml3sd/Hayes2.jpg


(Old, low res images but you get the idea. I like knives.)

[Gray222]

I have a couple of the limited edition Obake's from Blade HQ (http://www.bladehq.com/item--CRKT-Burnley-Obake-Fixed-Blade--32056) with the non-acid etched blade and orange synthetic rayskin. I like them a lot and find the nylon wrapped handle a lot more secure than I expected.

10012 (http://www.bladehq.com/item--CRKT-Burnley-Obake-Fixed-Blade--32056)

its cuz their orange...right

[Holmes375]

Yep. That and the non-acid etched blade.

I couldn't resist - ordered one after seeing your post. I like the Obake design but not a fan of the acid etched look. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Wondering Beard]

Seeing the Obake reminded me of a couple of custom knives I have had in my collection for several years:

Al Polkowski:

https://s9.postimg.org/q5hoxcnmn/Polkowski3.jpg

My first forged blade by an ABS master smith, Wally Hayes:

https://s4.postimg.org/iwhgml3sd/Hayes2.jpg


(Old, low res images but you get the idea. I like knives.)

These are nice.

Al Polkowski made great blades.

Since we're on Kwaikesn for a bit, and I really like knives too, here are some Watson Kwaikens:

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[blues]

Those are beautiful knives, WB. :cool:

I only have one other by Al. A "Dingo Fighter":

https://s3.postimg.org/b293cu40j/polkowski2.jpg

[Wondering Beard]

Those are beautiful knives, WB. :cool:

I only have one other by Al. A "Dingo Fighter":

https://s3.postimg.org/b293cu40j/polkowski2.jpg

Ooh.

I wanted a Dingo and hoped to get one from Al at the Baltimore show many years back but that year he didn't come because he had passed away. I miss his designs, always clean yet purposeful.

[Shellback]

The CRKT S.P.E.W. looks like a solid option and costs less than $30.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rdElIN77Pew/Tz6zZWo8ONI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/ibA2K88kH_M/s1600/spew2.jpg

[PNWTO]

The CRKT S.P.E.W. looks like a solid option and costs less than $30.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rdElIN77Pew/Tz6zZWo8ONI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/ibA2K88kH_M/s1600/spew2.jpg

Nick at BladeRigs does a nice little pocket sheath for them as well.

[CDFIII]

This lil guy was waiting for me on the porch this afternoon.
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[Cookie Monster]

You got to tell us more.

[CDFIII]

You got to tell us more.

I wish I knew more about it. Other than it's one of Joe's..154cm steel Paul Bos. heat treat spear point, paracord jap wrap, and appears to have an acid etched finish. I don't have a clue on when he made it or any other info. Found it for sale on another forum and couldn't resist.

[SeriousStudent]

Very cool knife, thank you for posting the pics.

[EPF]

Joe Watson Kwaiken....a birthday present from the wife.

It's impractical in so many ways for an edc/defensive blade compared to my custom special circumstances PD or the clinch picks I regularly carry and train with......yet I love this thing and I felt like a bit player in a bad 80s yakuza movie carrying it IWB in a suit yesterday. :cool:

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[Cecil Burch]

Joe Watson Kwaiken....a birthday present from the wife.

It's impractical in so many ways for an edc/defensive blade compared to my custom special circumstances PD or the clinch picks I regularly carry and train with......yet I love this thing and I felt like a bit player in a bad 80s yakuza movie carrying it IWB in a suit yesterday. :cool:

11217


I totally understand and agree with you 110%. The Martial Art geek inside me just responds to that style of blade more than any other. I have a couple of those that I look for ways to carry as often as feasible (which is close to never), and I would love to be able to justify it.

What revolvers are to Darryl, the Japanese blades are to me.

[NickA]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161020/6c3fc86d3e216473128e00f76e512ab0.jpg

Ban Tang Disciple, that I've had for about a year and never carry. It's a work of art but I'll probably move it along soon for something more utility oriented.

[Wondering Beard]

Joe Watson Kwaiken....a birthday present from the wife.

It's impractical in so many ways for an edc/defensive blade compared to my custom special circumstances PD or the clinch picks I regularly carry and train with......yet I love this thing and I felt like a bit player in a bad 80s yakuza movie carrying it IWB in a suit yesterday. :cool:

11217

Beautiful knife.

I have a couple of older Watson Kwaikens (straight spine as opposed to slightly curved like yours) and, on top of being actually practical every day knife, they are a lot more capable defensively, with similar techniques to let's say a CP, than one would imagine.

[Irelander]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161020/6c3fc86d3e216473128e00f76e512ab0.jpg

Ban Tang Disciple, that I've had for about a year and never carry. It's a work of art but I'll probably move it along soon for something more utility oriented.

Much like! I wish I could get my hands on one of those. I adore my CP but I think a slightly longer blade and grip would be sweet.

[Holmes375]

Much like! I wish I could get my hands on one of those. I adore my CP but I think a slightly longer blade and grip would be sweet.

Agreed. I quite like the CP but I'd love to strap that BT on every mornin'.

[NickA]

Much like! I wish I could get my hands on one of those. I adore my CP but I think a slightly longer blade and grip would be sweet.


Agreed. I quite like the CP but I'd love to strap that BT on every mornin'.
Ban's craftsmanship really is crazy good.
Crappy pic of the edge, but you could shave with it or in it the polish is so nice. Which is kind of the problem- I get all nervous about carrying really nice stuff.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/87570951f82485a6a063031a6bb4e99a.jpg

Keep thinking about moving it for something like a Watson Magni. Should probably hurry up before the production Disciples hit sometime Soon™ 😉

[Sigfan26]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161025/46c1e2291f6cc6da69b5c486a77b441c.jpg
The latest from American Kami. Bruja B9S. Solid titanium. Even shaves hair with a little effort (which I've had many tell me wasn't possible with a titanium blade). Really like it so far.


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[Irelander]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161025/46c1e2291f6cc6da69b5c486a77b441c.jpg
The latest from American Kami. Bruja B9S. Solid titanium. Even shaves hair with a little effort (which I've had many tell me wasn't possible with a titanium blade). Really like it so far.


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Cool. Did it come with scales?

[Sigfan26]

Cool. Did it come with scales?

No. DJ sends them like this so you can do what you like with them.


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[Hot Sauce]

No. DJ sends them like this so you can do what you like with them.

Lol, what if what you like is for them to come with scales from the get go?

[Sigfan26]

Lol, what if what you like is for them to come with scales from the get go?

With enough money, I'm sure anything is possible. It's not gonna be a $99 knife at that point, though


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[DamonL]

This is for blues and Wondering Beard. Some Polkowski blades. Note the AIWB sheaths.

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[Wondering Beard]

Nice!!

[blues]

Nice, Damon. Thanks for posting 'em up.

[JCS]

I'm working my way through this thread. There is a ton of information!

Does anyone have experience with Halloran knives. Specifically this model http://www.halloranknives.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=8

Looking for a recommendation for a fixed blade for a non permissive environment. I'm not able to carry a gun a lot of the day and would like to get a fixed blade to carry when I can't have a gun.

[orionz06]

I'm working my way through this thread. There is a ton of information!

Does anyone have experience with Halloran knives. Specifically this model http://www.halloranknives.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=8

Looking for a recommendation for a fixed blade for a non permissive environment. I'm not able to carry a gun a lot of the day and would like to get a fixed blade to carry when I can't have a gun.

I've only handled one briefly and felt it was loads of handle for minimal blade.

Regardless of the methodology you subscribe to I think you can do a little better for an NPE.


How are you thinking to carry it?


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[Cookie Monster]

I'm working my way through this thread. There is a ton of information!

Does anyone have experience with Halloran knives. Specifically this model http://www.halloranknives.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=8

Looking for a recommendation for a fixed blade for a non permissive environment. I'm not able to carry a gun a lot of the day and would like to get a fixed blade to carry when I can't have a gun.

I had a three finger and it's a good knife. I'd get another Halloran in a heartbeat. Depends how you will carry, RD might be a little thinner. Talk with Tom, he'll set you up.

[JCS]

I've only handled one briefly and felt it was loads of handle for minimal blade.

Regardless of the methodology you subscribe to I think you can do a little better for an NPE.


How are you thinking to carry it?


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I'm not committed to a certain mode of carry. Although I think having a couple sheaths would serve me well. When I am at work I wear a uniform with a tucked in shirt so having a tuckable sheath would be ideal. I would also like to carry it in places like church in which a gun isn't allowed but I usually wear an untucked shirt.

Lastly if I get one I would want to carry it while I'm carrying a pistol aiwb. I like the idea of having a knife that can be used for everyday tasks so I don't know if a cp would suit me well.

[JCS]

I have a bunch (some might say too many) knives from Tom Halloran. I don't have any experience with the STX, but I do have an SEAX and I think the standard size STX is about the same size. If so, it's pretty big knife for a NPE. My favorite is his reduced size Pikal (I have small hands). Tom is a great guy and makes great knives.

What would be your recommendation(s) for a smaller npe knife. The pikal?

[Wondering Beard]

What would be your recommendation(s) for a smaller npe knife. The pikal?

It depends on how you can carry the blade (i.e. dress code, preferred position, your own technique/methodology which affects how you want to draw the knife etc..).

That Halloran looks great though it is nearly a 4" blade and it might make it difficult for pocket carry for example but IWB or AIWB carry could be easy with it if 1) you have a covering garment or 2) if you can wrap your tucked in shirt over the knife (to the left or to the right). Also, are doubled edged knives legal where you are?

The difficulty is not really the knife but the sheath. Getting a good sheath (pocket or IWB) is what enables you to carry in an NPE environment, no matter what knife to carry.

For a multipurpose use knife that's factory (as opposed to waiting for a custom blade to be available) and that's small enough to hide but big enough to use, I tend to recommend the Spyderco Street Beat (https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=263), but the sheath isn't that great. Though I'm sure Orionz06 could hook you up with something that would fit your exact needs.

There is a thread here (that I can't find right now) about pocket carry that has a lot of good info. If you can find it, I think it can answer a lot of questions for you.

[LtDave]

I've got several Halloran knives including a standard STX and a couple of his Pikals. I had him make me an STX with a 1" longer blade. I find that the longer one carries better for me IWB. Very pleased with his quality and service. I like his sheaths. I prefer the STX to the Pikal for carry, as I think it more versatile.

[Cookie Monster]

I tried carrying a pikal around but my mind could not wrap around the reversed blade context after using knives for decades normally.

[backtrail540]

Southern Grind Jackal Pup next to a clinch pick. Just a few quick and dirty comparison pics.


http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww95/backtrail540/Mobile%20Uploads/20161226_132546_zpshmzfekox.jpg (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/backtrail540/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161226_132546_zpshmzfekox.jpg.html)


http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww95/backtrail540/Mobile%20Uploads/20161226_132628_zpscml5lt4a.jpg (http://s709.photobucket.com/user/backtrail540/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161226_132628_zpscml5lt4a.jpg.html)

[LtDave]

My custom STX vs a standard one:
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[KCBRUIN]

My Strider DB and my Halloran Seax


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/F676AE16-A4B6-4FB1-92E2-6B8220C9F4D0-20998-0000058AAC7F752F.jpg (http://s109.photobucket.com/user/RikkiTikkiGTO/media/F676AE16-A4B6-4FB1-92E2-6B8220C9F4D0-20998-0000058AAC7F752F.jpg.html)

[JCS]

My Strider DB and my Halloran Seax


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/RikkiTikkiGTO/F676AE16-A4B6-4FB1-92E2-6B8220C9F4D0-20998-0000058AAC7F752F.jpg (http://s109.photobucket.com/user/RikkiTikkiGTO/media/F676AE16-A4B6-4FB1-92E2-6B8220C9F4D0-20998-0000058AAC7F752F.jpg.html)

Serious knife envy!!!!!

So I'm starting to reconsider the clinch pick. I always carry a folder so it makes sense to get a defensive blade for those times I can't carry a firearm. Also, I got a gift card to Amazon which means I could have it in a couple days lol

[KCBRUIN]

Serious knife envy!!!!!

So I'm starting to reconsider the clinch pick. I always carry a folder so it makes sense to get a defensive blade for those times I can't carry a firearm. Also, I got a gift card to Amazon which means I could have it in a couple days lol

Thanks I'm pretty happy with these two. If I had an Amazon gift card I think I'd snag a Spyderco Yojimbo 2.

The DB is on my duty belt, and I carry an Emerson Karambit in my support side pocket. Off duty I carry an Emerson CQC 15 support side pocket. The Seax is my favorite knife and I conceal carry it if clothing won't allow a gun.

[jetfire]

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Man, ya'll have way cooler fixed blades than me. I just carry this Gerber Tanto around like an asshole. But at the same time, I don't really feel bad if something bad happens to it.

[TheRoland]

Does anyone make production knives similar to Halloran's offerings (particularly the obviously grippy handle designs)?