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Mr_White
04-24-2015, 04:28 PM
Week 109: Driving The Gun/Lateral Transitions 1

Results may be posted until May 24th, 2015.

Designed by: Gabe White
Target: Shooter's choice (need at least two)
Range: Shooter's choice
Rounds: 0

This is one of several drills intended to work on shot calling, sight tracking, and trigger manipulation in dry fire. In this drill we're going to be working one method of practicing lateral target transitions. This method will emphasize trigger control at the cost of continuity of grip and vision. Those elements will be emphasized in an upcoming drill.

At bare minimum, verify gun is unloaded, have no live ammo anywhere in the dry practice area, and keep muzzle in a safe direction. But there is more you can do to ensure safety in dry practice. Please also read Robust Dry Practice Safety Principles and Procedure following the drill description.

Drill procedure: Start aimed at one target. Press the trigger and dry fire the gun. Now, continuing to hold the trigger to the rear, use your support hand to cycle the slide enough that the striker is reset or hammer is recocked. Resume your two-handed grip. All that was preparation for what we are actually drilling, which is the next part: snap your eyes to the next target spot, and simultaneously let the trigger forward allowing it to reset as you drive the front sight to that target spot. When you see sufficient alignment in the sight picture, press the trigger well enough for the target. Repeat many times.

That's how it is going to work with striker fired, single action, and DA/SA guns (this drill addresses shots after the first one, so even a DA/SA gun is essentially going to function as SAO for purposes of the drill.) With a true DAO, you can skip the part where you break grip and cycle the slide to get the mechanism ready to reset.

You will be interrupting your grip a lot, so make sure you reacquire your real grip on the gun each time. Focus on resetting the trigger while driving the front sight into sufficient alignment with the next target and pressing the trigger carefully enough as soon as you would hit.

Target considerations: You can use whatever targets you want. You will need at least two. I'd suggest using a variety of targets, from easy ones where you can pull the trigger well enough, as fast as you can pull it and before the gun is completely stopped, to harder ones where you have to be more careful with the trigger and stop the gun too. Also vary the spacing of the targets. Closely spaced targets only need you to push the gun over gently. Widely spaced targets allow you to generate acceleration for the transition using your legs while keeping the upper body shooting structure intact.

Do the drill for a period of time you choose, rather than for a specific number of repetitions.

Please report when you've completed the drill, what gun you used, how much time you spent on the drill, and anything you noticed.

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

Robust Dry Practice Safety Principles and Procedure (the closer you follow this, the fewer opportunities you will have to ND)


Principles:

Allow no distractions – focus exclusively on the task at hand

Keep muzzle in a safe direction

Use correct trigger finger discipline

Verify no live ammo in gun, on person, or in the dry practice area

Use dedicated dry practice targets that are put away until you consciously choose to begin dry practice, and taken down when you consciously end dry practice

Use dedicated dry practice magazines and dummy rounds/inert training cartridges that stay in the dry practice area (if you use any magazine or cartridges)


Procedure:

Unload gun in a location other than the dry practice area

Leave live ammo, and magazines with live ammo, completely outside the dry practice area

Enter the dry practice area

Verify gun is unloaded, that any magazines do not contain live ammo, and that any cartridges present are inert/dummy cartridges

Consciously choose to begin dry practice

Put up dry practice targets

Do your dry practice

Take down dry practice targets and put them away

Consciously choose to end dry practice

Exit the dry practice area and do something unrelated for a few minutes

Return gun to location and condition of your choosing

98z28
04-28-2015, 03:54 PM
Monday, April 27

30 minutes dry fire (DOW 109 was one of five drills (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2753-Steven-s-Training-Journal/page2))

Gun/gear: Glock 17 gen4, Safariland 578 GLS open-top holster with1.5" drop UBL on nylon duty belt

Target(s): 3.5" post-it notes at ~6 yards

Not sue how many reps. Worked this one for about ten minutes. About half moving right-to-left and half moving left-to-right.

Notes: Tension is bobble inducing and slow. As the time gets tighter, I want to move faster by pre-tensing my arms and shoulders. This DOES NOT WORK. I'll miss the grip on the draw more frequently, and even when I don't, it's harder to hit the par times. When I relax, I hit my grip on the draw more consistently, the sights settle more quickly, and I'm faster. It feels like I'm moving slower, but the timer says otherwise. Learn to relax!

Mr_White
04-29-2015, 10:34 AM
This is another of my mainstay dry fire drills. It's incorporated at least a little into most dry practice sessions with varying scaled silhouette targets (scaled 10, 20, 30+ yard targets, some partials, lower and upper A-zones, etc.) Have probably done an hour or more of this one over the last couple of weeks.

Last night I did something I haven't done in some time - dry fired the Rogers Test. Did it twice on my scaled static Rogers Range. Gen3 G34 as usual.

Good technical transitions = snap the eyes, keep the upper body structure intact and bring the gun to the new spot, stop the gun and press.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8759/16689779884_12e8bdc5ee_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rqPu6A)20150429_061818 (https://flic.kr/p/rqPu6A) by OrigamiAK (https://www.flickr.com/people/52790396@N08/), on Flickr

taadski
04-29-2015, 11:55 AM
:D

I still have the 7 yard scaled Roger's template I made to train up last year. :cool: Good shit!




http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo324/taadski/Mobile%20Uploads/photo1_zps0b3d30ac.jpg


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo324/taadski/Mobile%20Uploads/photo2_zpscbbe78d0.jpg




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ssb
04-30-2015, 12:06 PM
Worked this drill for about 20 minutes this morning. Tried out the snap-the-eyes thing that Mr. White mentioned. Lightbulb moment. Need to try this live-fire -- maybe it'll get me to stop overshooting transitions to an index card (shots land above it, still in the head).

Targets used were an index card and a post-it note with a dot drawn in the middle (~1"), distance was about 12ft.

I need to work on riding the reset less. The tendency for me is to get my sight where it wants to be and then reset the trigger (sight->click->bang). Some improvement when I really drilled myself down on doing that, but if I'm not paying attention it's what I end up doing.

JV_
04-30-2015, 01:30 PM
~15 minutes
Glock 17 w/ Trijicon HDs
1/2 Index cards for targets @ 7Y

Jared
04-30-2015, 04:48 PM
15 minutes of work on this one. Beretta 92 for gun.

I decided to spend part of my first session of work on 50 yard scaled targets on this drill. So the targets were two 50 yard USPSA metric targets spaced a scaled 2 yards apart. I used a timer. The way I did this was with gradually reducing times. If I was successful 5 times in a row at a given PAR, I reduced it by 0.1 Sec. First PAR was 2.0 Sec, which was way too slow, as I was able to do the transition and shot with loads of time to spare. I got it down to 0.9 Sec before my forearm fatigue forced me to move on to another drill.

Range1
04-30-2015, 08:11 PM
Have included this drill occassionally during regular dry fire and will try to incorporate it on a more regular basis. Did this for 15 minutes today using gen 4 Glock 23 with Trigicon HD sights on USPSA targets at 5, 7 and 10 yards spaced 3 feet apart. Was easy to over shoot second target especially transitioning to strong side target. Once again concentration is key. Scaled targets don't work real well for me as I have found small but close targets will still be in focus but full size targets at distance completely blur away when trying to get front sight in focus. Seriously considering a MRDS.

MD7305
04-30-2015, 09:50 PM
Thursday 04/30/2015

30 Minutes
Glock 22/G4 w/TLR-1 and SIRT*
Targets: 8" paper plate @ 7yds and a 3"x3" post-it note @ 5yds.

I started the transitions alternating from big to small then from small to big but I did not change the range difference. I began feeling robotic and was getting a weird hesitation right before resetting the trigger after the transition. I think I was thinking about it too much. I took about a 2 minute break, resumed and felt a little smoother. Wife got upset about the "gun clicking noises" (I'm admittedly whooped) so I transitioned to my SIRT. I used the both lasers and it was actually a good thing because the second laser was giving me a decent visual clue as to when I was coming off the trigger to reset. I ended up using the SIRT for about 20 of the 30 minutes and although it doesn't have as distinct of a reset of the Glock it does have a tactile-reset point. I think next time I use my timer (when wife is not home!) to get a bit of base to judge future performance with this drill.

Clobbersaurus
05-04-2015, 10:04 PM
I've been working on this since it was posted. A few days ago I printed a few more targets to help work this drill a little harder. I need to print a few more targets and place at different heights. I'll continue to work on this over the next few weeks and post my thoughts before the thread closes.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03869_zpskuyqwt0y.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03869_zpskuyqwt0y.jpg.html)

luckyman
05-08-2015, 02:03 PM
Question regarding the drill and also real life shooting:

snap your eyes to the next target spot, and simultaneously let the trigger forward allowing it to reset as you drive the front sight to that target spot.

A bit of an implication here is that you are snapping your eyes so quickly that it is that your eyes have left before the sights come back down on the first target?
Is that intended for the drill, and is that also what happens in real life/live fire? I know my eyes are passively seeing the sights come back down on the first target before they leave for the transition to the next target. I've just recently switched to an RDS, so I think the question is now even more important for me . . . since I lose the dot right at the top of recoil, its a bit less of an academic question than with iron sights.

("real life" in this conversation being "shooting at targets". I understand when shooting at someone who might be shooting back you have to figure out if the target has ceased to be a threat before you stop sending rounds his way.)

Mr_White
05-08-2015, 02:16 PM
Ideally, yes, once the shot is fired on the first target, you might as well begin the transition to the second target right away, which starts by snapping the eyes to it. Once the first shot is fired, continuing to observe the sights on that target isn't going to change anything about that shot.

There is definitely going to be a range of skill levels, and some people are going to transition faster than others, and some of that quality of 'faster' is going to come from hanging onto the first sight picture for less time after the shot is away.

One of the errors sometimes made as people drive their transitions is to leave the first target a tiny fraction of time before the shot is fired, causing a miss. So there is a fine line. You do want to hang onto the sight picture long enough to ensure that you fire a good shot. But hanging on longer than that just costs time. Leaving the first target too early is often addressed with the advice to see the front sight lift on the first shot, which ensures the bullet is away before the gun moves off the first target. You don't have to watch the front sight come back down though.

EricM
05-08-2015, 11:55 PM
I've been hitting lateral transitions pretty hard, 3 to 5 hours a week, since DOTW 104 led me to look into the right way to do them. I've done some work with the G34 but mostly the SIRT. I generally start a session doing transitions one at a time at various distances, focusing on the proper eye and body movement, then move on to more complex timed stages with LASR, using scaled targets to simulate various distances. I'm still struggling to move as crisply as I should; I have to mentally focus on "jerking" the gun from one target to the next to really get my body to go all in on making the movement as fast as possible and stopping as quickly as possible...a few reps later I'll realize I've slipped, getting smoother and slower.

Here's a run on simulated 8" targets from 5 to 25 yards, shot at 15 yards actual distance. I'll admit this run is faster than average, usually I'm in the low 4's to ensure a clean run.
http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/050815/1.jpg

Wider transitions, averaging in the high 4's to low 5's:
http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/050815/2.jpg

Tonight I was working on the plate rack, I've gotten clean runs in the low 3's but better hits come in the mid to upper 3's:
http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/050815/3.jpg

s0nspark
05-11-2015, 08:45 AM
Time: 20 minutes per session, 3 sessions
Gun: VP9 w/ Trijicon HDs
Targets: 10-8 1/4-scale dry fire target with an additional 2" post-it
Distance: 4 yards

For this drill I transitioned from the 10yd circle on the 10-8 target to each of the other circles and also to the separate post-it that I moved to various distances and locations around the primary target.

This drill (my first time participating in the DotW) was an "eye opener" with the snap the eyes thing :). Hadn't ever tried that quite as deliberately as I did this. Good stuff! Gonna go back and check out the previous related drills this coming week.

Clobbersaurus
05-14-2015, 10:19 PM
I continue to work on lateral transitions. Freestyle, SHO, WHO. I'm working hard keep a sharp focus on the front sight and not pressing the trigger until I see the sights aligned well enough to make the shot. I've widened some of my targets to different wall (make sure of what's behind those walls before you do this) to increase the amount of movement I have to do with my head/eyes/body, between each target. I find it visually straining to do more than 10 minutes of this drill. I'm also not using a timer for these drills as I want to ensure I am not ingraining bad habits. The timer can come later.