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UNK
04-19-2015, 01:25 PM
I have a brother in law who says he wants to learn to shoot and own a firearm. Through this forum I found him a 2025 at 395.00 including shipping but he feels that is too much for a starter gun. Obviously I disagree. And he can afford anything he picked so finances are not an issue.
I'm looking for articles about how to pick your first weapon, I feel take him to rental range and shoot various guns until he finds something he can shoot relatively well, and also arguments for achieving the mind set and skills necessary, perhaps examples of common occurrences that could help get the uninitiated off of the fence and to actually get started.

voodoo_man
04-19-2015, 01:53 PM
Everyone has a process for learning new things and starting out. Obviously no one wants to spend more than they believe they should on a first or starter gun.

You should appeal the practical side that most people will understand. For example, a glock 19 will do many things, parts are readily accessible and resale value is constant so there is hardly a risk. 9mm is cheap and so on.

As for mindset, that comes on its own through carrying, usage and implementation.

Id suggest training with someone who can contribute well towards his needs.

RoyGBiv
04-19-2015, 02:03 PM
I have a brother in law who says he wants to learn to shoot and own a firearm. Through this forum I found him a 2025 at 395.00 including shipping but he feels that is too much for a starter gun. Obviously I disagree. And he can afford anything he picked so finances are not an issue.
I'm looking for articles about how to pick your first weapon, I feel take him to rental range and shoot various guns until he finds something he can shoot relatively well, and also arguments for achieving the mind set and skills necessary, perhaps examples of common occurrences that could help get the uninitiated off of the fence and to actually get started.
Feel free to steal this and put your name on it...

Dear BIL,
If you trust me enough to ask me to teach you to shoot, please trust me just a tiny bit more when I tell you what it's going to cost for a reliable weapon. If you try the weapon and don't like it, we should find you another one that you do like, but this one is a excellent choice and very INEXPENSIVE given it's features and reputation for reliability. I would not trust my sisters well being to a cheap-ass Taurus.

LOKNLOD
04-19-2015, 02:20 PM
If he's willing to invest the time to read a book, Tom Given's recent edition of "Fighting Smarter" would be a great authoritative resource on both the software and hardware side.

UNK
04-19-2015, 08:34 PM
Good advice all thank you.

Wendell
04-20-2015, 11:31 AM
The Concealed Handgun Manual and Thank God I had a gun, both by Chris Bird, are perfect for giving a person the proper motivation.

http://www.privateerpublications.com/images/chm-cover-small.jpg http://www.privateerpublications.com/images/book_texas-gun-owners-guide/book-thank-god/tgihag-2014-136.jpg

Peally
04-20-2015, 12:01 PM
400 bucks is cheap as hell, a hundred more and you have quality for life.

Perhaps he'd be better served renting guns until he settles on one he wouldn't mind ponying up for. No point in buying something that runs a chance of falling apart or shooting you with a projectile hammer and replacing it 5 times ;)

mc1911
04-20-2015, 07:57 PM
I don't get the idea of a "starter gun". Isn't that a small .22 revolver filled with blanks?

The idea that one should buy cheap crap since it's his first and then buy quality later seems pretty stupid. $200 for cheap crap followed by $500 for something decent later on is $700 to get to the same place you could have been just laying out the $500 the first time.

olstyn
04-20-2015, 08:41 PM
The idea that one should buy cheap crap since it's his first and then buy quality later seems pretty stupid. $200 for cheap crap followed by $500 for something decent later on is $700 to get to the same place you could have been just laying out the $500 the first time.

Agreed. That $200 would be much better spent on a holster, mag pouches, and extra mags, or (of course) ammo.

BehindBlueI's
04-20-2015, 10:38 PM
I don't know what a 2025 is, but what is he thinking he wants to spend?

Sometimes we get blinded by what we consider obvious. For most of us firearms are more than just a hobby. For the newbie, though, he may be looking at it like a hobby. If you are deciding if you want to get into photography, do you buy a super expensive camera or a "starter" camera and see if you really like it before getting too much of an investment? That's likely where he's at.

Look, I've started people out on High Points and H&R .22 revolvers. The important part is they start. I started out on a Taurus 85CH, which is a horrid beginner's gun, but I progressed. Give him the chance to do the same. Get some buddies together for a range day and invite him a long, let him shoot a variety of guns, the range rentals are a great idea, etc. Just don't push too hard. If he buys a crap gun, he'll learn from that.

Wendell
04-21-2015, 08:07 PM
I'm guessing that he meant a (Sig Sauer) '2022'.

RoyGBiv
04-23-2015, 08:01 AM
Is it OK to put this here?
Didn't want to start a new thread.

Priest's letter to Ann Arbor church about guns (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/04/20/christ-the-king-catholic-church-guns-letter/26092669/)

TLDR Version (still long)
8 reasons Catholic priest tells flock to pack heat (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2015/04/20/catholic-priest-pistol-letter/26096353/)

hks95134
05-03-2015, 06:12 AM
All the guys that I ever met who were shooters were already shooting by the time I met them.

Two of the babes that I met asked me to teach them.

One had a 380 mouse gun that her dad gave her. I took her to the range once and showed her the basics, so she could at least shoot the thing once.

The other went to Targetmasters and tried out all their guns and settled on a 38 special revolver. I told her about the first babe and that it was not a good experience for me with lots of resistance by her for the rules of safe firearms handling.

I would say to leave teaching for the trained instructors. That's safer for you.

GardoneVT
05-07-2015, 05:45 PM
I have a brother in law who says he wants to learn to shoot and own a firearm.

The first question we need an answer is not which gun to get, but why he really wants a gun. If a defensive reason is offered, your BIL needs to understand the psychological and legal commitment before reaching for his billfold.

Not everyone is comfortable with taking a life , or having their bank accounts and reputation ruined by a court battle.