Week 108: GM Test

[Mr_White]

Week 108: GM Test

Results may be posted until May 17th, 2015.

Designed by: nwhpfan, derived from a Ben Stoeger drill
Range: 25 yards
Target: USPSA Metric
Start Position: Facing downrange, hands hanging naturally
Rounds Fired: 11

Upon start signal, draw and shoot two rounds to the lower A-zone. Time limit is two seconds, with a .3 second grace period. Repeat four times, for a total of ten shots to the lower A-zone. Last, draw and shoot one round to the upper A-zone (no time limit.)

Add up the points you scored for shots fired within the par time and grace period, plus the last shot with no time limit.

For simplicity's sake, if you are shooting 9mm/.38 Spl, you will be scored Minor (A = 5 points, B/C = 3 points, D = 1 point.) If you are shooting .357/.40/.45, you will be scored Major (A = 5 points, B/C = 4 points, D = 2 points.) No penalty for misses or overtime shots - you just don't get any points for those.

49 out of the possible 55 points is Passing on this test.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used: gun, holster, concealment (if any)
Total number of shots fired within the time limits
Total number of points for shots fired within the time limits
Pass or Fail
Observations: anything you noticed

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

[JHC]

And the upper A zone is that credit card sized thing in the head?

[Mr_White]

And the upper A zone is that credit card sized thing in the head?

Yes Sir.

[JHC]

Big name for such a little thing.

[Mr_White]

Maybe there should be a poll: is it worse to get shot in the upper A-zone, or in the credit card?

For a lot of people, I bet the answer is credit card.

;)

I have a buddy who shot himself in the credit card when he drew to the 2, fired, and clipped it because his jacket (containing his wallet) had swung forward.

[BaiHu]

Maybe there should be a poll: is it worse to get shot in the upper A-zone, or in the credit card?

For a lot of people, I bet the answer is credit card.

;)

I have a buddy who shot himself in the credit card when he drew to the 2, fired, and clipped it because his jacket (containing his wallet) had swung forward.

Whoaaaa! That's some scary shiznit...Sorry, back to the drill. I can't do it, b/c my range has forsaken me. I'm not allowed to shoot closer than 25 yds. :(

[JHC]

This is a 25 yard drill right?

[Mr_White]

This is a 25 yard drill right?

Correct.

[JHC]

Whoaaaa! That's some scary shiznit...Sorry, back to the drill. I can't do it, b/c my range has forsaken me. I'm not allowed to shoot closer than 25 yds. :(

Mr. White answered me but I was referencing your concern that you cannot shoot closer than 25 yards. Perfect right?

[MVS]

Equipment used: gun, holster, concealment (if any)
Gen 3 G19 w RMR, Dale Fricke Seraphim Holster, T shirt
Total number of shots fired within the time limits
7
Total number of points for shots fired within the time limits
35
Pass or Fail
Fail
Observations: anything you noticed
This is probably my weakest area. I knew that going in. My problem wasn't with getting accurate hits, I got almost all A's. I just couldn't do it in time. What would be the best way to improve on this? Stay accurate and just try to chip away at the time, or get my shots off within the time and try to dial in the accuracy?

[BaiHu]

Mr. White answered me but I was referencing your concern that you cannot shoot closer than 25 yards. Perfect right?
Ha! Look at that. Didn't even dawn on me since so few drills are 25 yds. Derp!

[nwhpfan]

M&P 45 (loaded to minor) standard USPSA Production Rig.
All fired under time.
47 Pts 3 C's, 1 B.
Fail


If you read Ben Stoeger's Skills and Drills (Equipment used: gun, holster, concealment (if any) Total number of shots fired within the time limits Total number of points for shots fired within the time limits Pass or Fail Observations: anything you noticed) 2 @ 25 is the first drill in his book that incorporates a timer. His commentary is that you pretty much have to everything right to successfully accomplish the drill. He goes on to say that getting A's with repeatability is GM shooting. It's definitely not an easy drill and you pretty much do have to do everything right; from a fast and efficient draw right to the spot you want to hit, proper trigger control because anything less and you miss - grip to control recoil, track the sights and trigger control again. In the book Stoeger suggests 1.3 is a good time for your first shot and to move closer if needed and move back as you improve. I've got 55 on this a few times and I would say I average 2-3 C's in the first 10 and am about 50/50 getting the upper A.

[Gio]

First run, Springfield Pro 1911, 230 gr FMJ @ 195 power factor:

Run 1: 1.78 seconds
Run 2: 1.61 seconds
Run 3: 1.75 seconds
Run 4: 1.67 seconds
Run 5: 1.81 seconds
Headshot: 1.98 seconds
Results: 9A, 1C (just low of A zone), 1B = 53 points.

Second Run (I tried to slow down since I had so much time to spare):
Run 1: 1.99 sec
Run 2: 1.81 sec
Run 3: 1.85 sec
Run 4: 1.88 sec
Run 5: 1.92 sec
Headshot: 2.11 sec (Does this count?)
Results: 10A (including headshot), 1C (slightly right of A zone) = 54 points

Group size was a little tighter on this run, even though the points aren't really any better (other than headshot being 1" different and counting A instead of B).

[Mr_White]

Gen3 G34 in a Keeper concealed under a polo shirt.

Shot it twice, scored for Minor.

First attempt:

1.27, .48 = 1.75 AC
1.23, .46 = 1.69 AA
1.24, .40 = 1.64 AA
1.39, .42 = 1.81 AC
1.36, .42 = 1.78 AC
1.90 upper A hit

49/55 points, pass.

2nd attempt:

1.62, .63 = 2.25 AA
1.32, .68 = 2.00 AA
1.27, .71 = 1.98 AC
1.41, .62 = 2.03 AA
1.32, .59 = 1.91 AA
1.71 upper A hit

53/55 points, pass.

[JHC]

Due to shooting in the rain I did not have my timer with me so I'll see about scoring this next week.

But since I train shooting to a single Alpha at 25 yards in about 2-3 seconds often; I ran this some, accelerating to shoot two in the span I'm normally shooting one. Utter train wreck.

Wow.

[Mr_White]

25 yard drills are where it's at!

[DocGKR]

Equipment used: G19 w/RMR06 and KKM compensator carried AIWB in a JM Custom holster from under an un-tucked long sleeve Patagonia shirt firing Fed AE9FP 147 gr FMJ on USPSA Metric targets:

1: 2.21 sec--2A
2: 1.85 sec--1A/1C
3: 2.09 sec--2A
4: 2.17 sec--1A/1C
5: 1.93 sec--2A
Headshot: 1A
Results: 9A, 2C = 51 points.

I repeated the test using the same G19, but with a standard uncompensated KKM barrel:

1: 2.52 sec--1A/1C (1 OT shot)
2: 2.50 sec--2C (1 OT shot)
3: 2.48 sec--2A (1 OT shot)
4: 2.28 sec--2C
5: 2.16 sec--2A
Headshot: 1A
Results: 6A (1 OT shot), 5C (2 OT shot) = 34 points.

Observations: Much like with the DOW 106, the compensated G19 proved both quicker and more accurate.

[breakingtime91]

Equipment used: G19 w/RMR06 and KKM compensator carried AIWB in a JM Custom holster from under an un-tucked long sleeve Patagonia shirt firing Fed AE9FP 147 gr FMJ on USPSA Metric targets:

1: 2.21 sec--2A
2: 1.85 sec--1A/1C
3: 2.09 sec--2A
4: 2.17 sec--1A/1C
5: 1.93 sec--2A
Headshot: 1A
Results: 9A, 2C = 51 points.

I repeated the test using the same G19, but with a standard uncompensated KKM barrel:

1: 2.52 sec--1A/1C (1 OT shot)
2: 2.50 sec--2C (1 OT shot)
3: 2.48 sec--2A (1 OT shot)
4: 2.28 sec--2C
5: 2.16 sec--2A
Headshot: 1A
Results: 6A (1 OT shot), 5C (2 OT shot) = 34 points.

Observations: Much like with the DOW 106, the compensated G19 proved both quicker and more accurate.

Wow good data doc

[EricM]

Didn't really need this test to convince myself I wasn't a GM, but now it's official! As I commented in DOTW 106, I've done virtually no work from the draw at 25 yards, and if it wasn't for the grace period I wouldn't have scored a single point. As it was I only got four shots within the time.

Gen 4 G34, Blade-Tech OWB
4 shots within grace period
Fired all shots regardless of time as a point of reference for the future, so don't know which ones were actually within time, but had 6A, 4C, 1B in total time of 19.22. First shots were between 2.07 and 2.39, splits between .87 and 1.04.

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/043015/gm.jpg

[JHC]

That's pretty strong. This one became a waste of ammo for me. Consistent alphas for one shot in 2 sec is a challenge. Two in that span is way over my head at this point. I'm going to work that 25 yard BD with options to get this tightened up.

[2alpha-down0]

Equipment: M&P9, JMCK AIWB, concealed

11/11 within the time limit + grace period (barely)

2.29 1A1C
2.04 1B1C
1.98 1A1C
1.90 2A
2.03 2A
Upper A: 1M

Points: 42/55, FAIL

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/Gilenusx207/Range%20stuff/IMG_0605_zpsc4hutfgh.jpg

[Range1]

Equipment used: Gen 3 Glock 34, CompTac OWB holster under a vest
Ran this twice. I knew time would be a no go on this drill so went for trying to be smooth and accurate. So much for that. First run was cold second was after warming up. Everything was well over the 2 second par time. During the second run I think I was concentrating too much on a perfect sight picture and alignment not enough on speed.
Run 1 cold Fail, total points 24/55
2.49, .77=3.26 M-D
2.56, .72=3.28 A-B
2.41, .82=3.23 C-M
2.48, .82=3.30 C-C
2.54, .97=3.51 A-C
5.35 Upper A M

Run 2 warmed up Fail, total points 42/55
3.14, 1.42=4.56 A-A
2.86, 1.20=4.06 A-A
2.91,1.48=4.39 A-A
3.14, 1.53=4.76 D-C
3.20, 1.52=4.72 A-C
7.09 Upper A M

Observations: My shooting sucks

[Corey]

Ran this with my usual gear, M&P9, Blade-Tech IDPA holster, open front concealment.

1. 2.09, .70, 2D
2. 2.20, .90, 1A, 1 miss
3. 2.79, .71, 1A, 1D
4. 2.13, .87, 2C
5. 2.47, .78, 1C, 1D
6. 3.33 hit

I wasn't even close on this drill, but I didn't expect to do well on it. Got a lot of work to do on my shooting.

[raks]

GP Xtrim, ipsc holster. I don't have access to uspsa targets so I used an IDPA one.

Ran this as my first drill of the range visit.
2.46
2.18
2.31
2.54
2.45
Upper A 1.95
3A, 4C, 2D, 2M

So a total failure. I ran it a second time with slightly better points and then spent a lot of the rest of the range session working 25yd shots.

[taadski]

I squeaked in a live fire session this afternoon and shot this in between dabbling with some new 147 grain loads.

Pistol: Sig 226
Holster: Bladetech OWB

9/10 fired within the Par + grace period

2.21 2A
2.10 2A
1.98 2A
2.10 1A/1C
2.32 1A/second shot over time
Headbox 1A

48/55 points ----> Fail

Interesting test. It was a pretty tight par for me. I have a hard time being consistent from the draw to the lower A faster than about 1.3 to 1.4 at 25. And if I hit my grip well and the front sight returns perfectly, a .40 split on the second shot is pretty good for me at this distance. More often than not though, I wind up having to do a bit of steering/adjustment before breaking the second shot. On the last pair, I botched my grip slightly on the draw and had to correct. But regardless, without the grace period, I'd have failed (more) miserably.

It was a good glimpse at perhaps what a C/D class shooter might feel like shooting the Rogers test. If you're fast enough that the par is comfy for you, it's not that big a deal. If your not...it'll eat ya up. :p



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