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Mr_White
04-03-2015, 11:59 AM
Week 106: Three Bills

Results may be posted until May 3rd, 2015.

Designed by: Bill Wilson (original Bill Drill)
Range: 7, 15, and 25 yards
Target: USPSA Metric or IDPA
Start Position: Facing downrange, hands hanging naturally
Rounds Fired: 36
Procedure: Start facing downrange with handgun loaded with at least six rounds and holstered, hands hanging naturally. Upon start signal, draw and engage the target with six rounds.

For this drill of the week, we'll shoot the classic Bill Drill twice at each of three different distances, for a total of six runs. Shoot the Bill Drill twice at 7 yards, twice at 15 yards, and twice at 25 yards. Record all hits and times. Concealment is optional.

Please report the following when you post your results in this thread:

Equipment used: gun, holster, concealment (if any), USPSA Metric or IDPA target
7 yard Times and Hits: (as an example - 1st run, 2.00 seconds with 5A/1C, 2nd run, 1.85 seconds with 6A
15 yard Times and Hits: (as an example - 1st run, 2.7 seconds with 4A/2C, 2nd run, 2.5 seconds with 6A
25 yard Times and Hits: (as an example - 1st run, 4.00 seconds with 3A/3C, 2nd run, 3.5 seconds with 6A
Observations: anything you noticed

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

Clobbersaurus
04-03-2015, 01:25 PM
Woot! Just in time for range day tomorrow.:cool:

Clobbersaurus
04-04-2015, 06:41 PM
Girsan 9mm, Blade tech OWB holster, Blackhawk mag holders, stupid looking vest for concealment.

All drills shot using a template made IPSC standard target. I used the same target for all drills.

7 Yards
1) 3.46 - 6A
2) 3.22 - 6A

Pic of target:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03789_zps1otksq5c.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03789_zps1otksq5c.jpg.html)

15 yards:
1) 4.94 4A/2C
2) 3.97 5A/1C

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03791_zpsfooacia0.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03791_zpsfooacia0.jpg.html)

25 yards:
1) 6.57 3A/3C
2) 5.01 5A/1D

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/DSC03792_zps2oianehu.jpg (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/clobbersauras/media/DSC03792_zps2oianehu.jpg.html)

For both the 15 and 25 yard targets, after the first "test" run I picked up the pace. I think experience shooting B8's at 25 yards really helped with the longer range Bill's and I'm reasonably happy with my times/scores at 15 and 25 yards. The front sight on the Girsan is fairly wide and a thinner front sight would be helpful.

Mr_White
04-20-2015, 11:15 AM
Gen3 G34 in a Keeper concealed under a polo shirt. Used USPSA Metric targets.

7 yard times and hits: 1st run, 1.99 with 6A. 2nd run, 1.96 with 6A.
15 yard times and hits: 1st run, 2.19 with 3A3C. 2nd run, 2.23 with 5A1C.
25 yard times and hits: 1st run, 3.05 with 3A3C. 2nd run, 3.05 with 5A1D.

Observations: A little surprised at how fast the 15 and 25 yard runs were. Not the most disciplined shooting there either.

Range1
04-22-2015, 07:36 AM
Equipment: USPSA Metric target, Glock 34, CompTac owb holster from open front concealment

7 yards Run 1 – 4.27 w/ 6A; Run 2 – 3.56 w/ 5A, 1C
15 yards Run 1 – 4.78 w/ 4A, 2C; Run 2 – 5.68 w/ 4A, 2C
25 yards Run 1 – 6.23 w/ 4A, 1C, 1D; Run 2 – 5.26 w/ 3A, 1C, 2D

Was a little disappointed. Shot this at the end of my first practice session and was having difficulty focusing on the front sight. Seems like my eyes fatigue pretty quickly now. Trying to work with ocular implants and bi-focals is a pain. Have to work on that trigger press also. Everything outside the A was to the left.

JHC
04-26-2015, 09:14 AM
Gun RTF2 G19
Holster Talon Tactical A10 OWB at 3:00 no concealment

7 yds 1st run 2.83 6A 2nd run 2.70 5A 1C

15 yds 1st run 3.29 4A 2C 2nd run 4.38 5A 1C

25 yds 1st run 5.76 6A 2nd run 5.25 5A 1C

Just newly adopted method of elbows higher and pointed outbound seemed to confirm better support hand grip and recoil control. Felt a bit slower to confirm index/sights from holster to first shot. I expect that to even out with time.

DocGKR
04-29-2015, 12:41 AM
Equipment used: G19 w/RMR06 and KKM compensator carried AIWB in a JM Custom holster from under an un-tucked long sleeve Patagonia shirt firing Fed AE9FP 147 gr FMJ on USPSA Metric targets.

7 yard Times and Hits: 2.30 sec with 6A, 2nd run, 2.33 sec with 6A
15 yard Times and Hits: 2.69 sec with 5A/1B, 2nd run, 2.79 sec with 6A
25 yard Times and Hits: 4.25 sec with 5A/1C, 4.00 sec with 5A/1B

I repeated the test using the same G19, but with a standard uncompensated KKM barrel:

7 yard Times and Hits: 2.47 sec with 6A, 2nd run, 2.41 sec with 5A/1C
15 yard Times and Hits: 3.46 sec with 5A/1C, 2nd run, 3.62 sec with 6A
25 yard Times and Hits: 4.47 sec with 4A/2C, 4.55 sec with 5A/1C

Observations: The compensated G19 was faster to shoot--particularly at longer ranges, generally offered better accuracy, and had noticeably tighter groups. When shot 10 rounds slow fire at 25 yds on an NRA B8 target, the KKM comp barrel shot 99-3x, the KKM standard barrel shot 100-3x.

JHC
04-29-2015, 06:37 AM
I had gotten the impression over the years that 9mm was not really helped much by comps. Bad conclusion! That's really interesting as well as the comparo on the GM test thread.

And great shooting.

EricM
04-30-2015, 10:19 PM
Gen 4 G34, Blade-Tech OWB, USPSA metric targets.

7 yards: 2.79 with 6A, 2.68 with 6A

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/043015/bd7.jpg

15 yards: 4.70 with 4A2C, 4.80 with 5A1C (rightmost shot is two through the same hole)

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/043015/bd15.jpg

25 yards: 5.00 with 3A3C, 5.31 with 4A2C
(was in a short bay today, had to stick it halfway up on the berm to get enough distance)

http://icedesigns.com/echo0603/pf/043015/bd25.jpg

I'm comfortable shooting at 15 and 25 yards for accuracy at moderate speed (say 10 shots in 15 seconds, thank you GSSF indoor league), but have not worked on pushing speed while maintaining A zone hits, and also have not worked longer distances off the draw. Need to put some time in on this. I found it interesting that there was such an increase in time between 7 and 15 but not so much of a difference between 15 and 25...curious to see how that changes over the coming months.

MDS
05-01-2015, 07:54 AM
Equipment used: gun, holster, concealment (if any), USPSA Metric or IDPA target
Didn't have uspsa targets, so just used 8" plates. Not sure how this compares...

7 yard Times and Hits:
4.16, 4.27

15 yard Times and Hits:
6.24-1, 5.83-1

25 yard Times and Hits:
9.43-1, 10.24

Observations: anything you noticed
I think I've reached a point where practice with different triggers is more confusing than helpful. I feel like if I practiced more, I could overcome that or even benefit from it. As it is, I'm going to start dry firing with a real gun instead of my sirt, and stop shooting my 617 as a trigger finger workout, see what happens.

JHC
05-01-2015, 08:07 AM
I think I'm gonna make that 25 yard BD a staple.

Mr_White
05-01-2015, 10:34 AM
That's a good idea, 25 yard Bill Drills are very demanding.

BehindBlueI's
05-01-2015, 12:37 PM
05-01-2015

I had to do a 2 Bill drill, as we had recruits and SWAT using the longer ranges. I shot the 7 yrd and 15 yrd an extra time.

P220 with Trijicon HD sights, Bladetech Eclipse OWB holster

7y: 1.53-4.21, 6A 1.50-3.44, 5A/1B 1.63-3.51, 6A

15y: 1.65-5.26, 5A/1B 2.04-5.54, 4A/2B 1.97-4.94, 3A/2B/1C

Thoughts on the P220: I'm having trouble with the sight picture on the HDs. Even taking my time now I am having issues getting my sight picture right. I know this sounds very simple, but when I focus on the front sight I have trouble seeing how much daylight is on the right side of the front post. This is a new issue for me, not sure if its because I've been using factory sights on my other Sigs/Glocks so much or what.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb183/Docwagon1776/Mobile%20Uploads/20150501_114707_zpsadee8312.jpg



P229 (.40), Bladetech IDPA paddle holster

7y: 1.55-4.45, 6A 1.58-3.20, 4A/1B 1.44-3.16, 4A/2B

15y: 1.68-5.41, 6A 1.79-4.84, 6A 1.92-5.00, 6A

Other than my first string at the 15y where it took me 1.34 seconds to break the last shot (next to last shot broke at 4.07) and short stroking the trigger the first time (shot the P220 first with the short reset trigger), everything went smoothly. My "B" hits were just barely outside of the "A" zone. I'm still hunting the front sight a bit on this one. The night sights are worn out and there is no color around the tritium insert. Next month I'm going to have them swapped out for the white outline Trijicons like on my P229 SAS. Tracking the front sight is much easier with that set up.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb183/Docwagon1776/Mobile%20Uploads/20150501_114711_zpsca6aef78.jpg

Corey
05-02-2015, 12:55 PM
Smith & Wesson M&P9 full size, Blade-Tech IDPA holster, IDPA target, no concealment.

7 yards: 1st run: 3.65, -3 (splits were 1.95, .38, .36, .33, .31, .32) 2nd run: 3.32, -2 (1.61, .42, .34, .31, .32, .32)

15 yards: 1st run: 5.03, -2 (2.01, .73, .57, .58, .54, .60) 2nd run: 4.87, -2 (1.78, .54, .55, .53, .80, .67)

25 yards: 1st run: 7.55, -5 (2.28, .90, .90, 1.06, 1.36, 1.01) 2nd run: 6.07, -6 (2.06, .86, .86, .74, .76, .79)

I ran this drill cold, my first live fire in two weeks. On several runs I lost track of the front sight part way through, as can be seen in some of the splits. Also, I need to do more 25 yard shooting.

2alpha-down0
05-03-2015, 02:55 PM
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/monkeyrader/ibtl_2.gif

Equipment used: M&P9, JMCK AIWB, concealed. USPSA Metric target

7 yards: 2.32 6A, 2.19 6A
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/Gilenusx207/Range%20stuff/IMG_0602_zpsek0ajnsg.jpg

15 yards: 3.19 5A1C, 3.57 6A
I had a brain fart and forgot to get a picture of the 15 yard results

25 yards: 5.10 5A1C, 5.24 5A1C
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/Gilenusx207/Range%20stuff/IMG_0603_zpsmzepvojc.jpg

I think I'll be doing more 25 yard Bill Drills in the future. I did way better on them than I thought I would; I think the consistent rhythm helped keep things tight.

raks
05-03-2015, 04:12 PM
Grand Power X-Trim, DAA Racemaster holster, no concealment.
IPSC target

7yd
- 2.68 - All A
- 2.65 - All A

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/usptac/Grand%20Power%20Album/th_IMG_20150429_223218_zpslqcmkae2.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/usptac/media/Grand%20Power%20Album/IMG_20150429_223218_zpslqcmkae2.jpg.html)

15yd
- 4.77 - 4A, 2C
- 4.04 - 3A, 3C

25yd
- 4.70 - 1A, 5C
- 4.60 - 4a, C, D
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h237/usptac/Grand%20Power%20Album/th_IMG_20150429_224328_zpsornyg14f.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/usptac/media/Grand%20Power%20Album/IMG_20150429_224328_zpsornyg14f.jpg.html)

Observations - My draw to first shot times can improve especially at 7 & 15yd. Need to get back on timed accuracy drills at 25yd. I have done many 25yd bills and I used to be able to hit 6A with better speed. The drifted grouping at 25yd I thin is due to vision & sighting problems. I would really prefer a more open rear sight, I think the notch width is around 0.100 which I am having trouble working with.

JHC
05-03-2015, 04:55 PM
I need to dial way back on the 25 yard speed for the BD to learn.

taadski
05-04-2015, 01:04 AM
I've been meaning to try and participate in these more week to week. Had a few extra minutes at the work range on Friday and got to shoot this one.

Equipment was my duty gear; Safariland 6360 (level III), stock Sig 226. USPSA metric target. Shot cold.

7 yards: 2.17; 6A 2.12; 6A

15 yards: 3.57; 5A, 1C 2.88; 3A, 3C

25 yards: 5.57; 4A, 2C 5.13; 3A, 2C, 1D


Notes:

-My duty pistol with stock springs bounces around a lot more than my game gun (also a 226, but sprung for minor PF ammo). It was particularly noticeable at the 25; I felt like the gun was all over the place.

-I REALLY miss the fiber optics doing more demanding paced shooting. I have Dawson 3 dots on my work gun, and while I like them for what they are, I absolutely have more difficulty tracking them at speed than the fibers.

-I shoot a lot better when I'm warmed up. :p



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