Excellent pre-emptive draw

[JodyH]

Excellent situational awareness and use of the pre-emptive draw from AIWB.
He saw a potential threat and covertly drew his handgun in anticipation of trouble, and it probably saved his life.
My only criticism is he should have either got in the vehicle faster or circled around the front of the vehicle as they walked around the back, keeping the vehicle between himself and them.
He hesitated watching them and was almost cornered in his seat with the door open, bad place to be.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbe_1427557181

[breakingtime91]

agree with everything you said Jody. I am impressed with how casually he was able to draw without the threat noticing.

[LOKNLOD]

Does he draw from AIWB or does he retrieve it from the console of the car? It looks to me like his hand is empty when he gets in and then he does a little grab motion towards the console between :06-:08. That would definitely explain his eagerness to get into the car if that's where the gun was...

[GJM]

Sure looks like he retrieves the handgun from the center console.

His lounge around shorts nearly got him killed in the streets.

[LSP552]

On a big screen, it looks like the gun was in the console. That's the only reason to get in the car when they are that close.

[lightning fast]

That's the only reason to get in the car when they are that close.

To me, locking yourself in a big, moving steel box seems like a pretty decent option. What else would you do in that situation? Take off on foot?

[1slow]

Stationary cars are bullet magnets if it gets to a gunfight.
If you are driving keeping moving is good. If stationary you are confined.
I would rather have gun on my person and stay out of the car.

[BehindBlueI's]

To me, locking yourself in a big, moving steel box seems like a pretty decent option. What else would you do in that situation? Take off on foot?

That steel box isn't moving yet and there's a lot of glass to shoot through. Using the car as a barrier or cover is generally the better option when they are on top of you like that.

[runcible]

Car was several steps from being able to move the protagonist in a safe direction; which still has risk given the use of ranged weapons by the others. It'd be even further from that if it had a manual transmission.

Cars at rest, slow speeds, or in traffic can be traps - impairing your mobility, fields of fire, field of fire, and force options far more then they may opponents on foot. They can also be remarkably vulnerable to projectiles and explosions, even when armored.

[JodyH]

On a big screen, it looks like the gun was in the console. That's the only reason to get in the car when they are that close.
Maybe so. It sure looks like a draw from the right front waistband when the video starts (from watching other off duty Brazilian cop videos AIWB is popular).

[GJM]

Maybe so. It sure looks like a draw from the right front waistband when the video starts (from watching other off duty Brazilian cop videos AIWB is popular).


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[Al T.]

Wonder what made his "Spidey Senses" go on alert?

[BaiHu]

Crappy video but I want to say the black t-shirt guy making a bee line to cutting off the white t-shirt guy is what caught my attention.

[JodyH]

Wonder what made his "Spidey Senses" go on alert?
It's Brazil...

[BaiHu]

It's Brazil...
Lmfao! *bow*

[Peally]

"This is not the car you are looking for"

[GardoneVT]

. They can also be remarkably vulnerable to projectiles and explosions, even when armored.

Only since theyve been making cars out of MIM parts.......

;)

[GJM]

My main thought is thank goodness the good guy wasn't left handed, or it might have ended differently.

[Kyle Reese]

I wonder if the weapon was C1 or C3 prior to him grabbing it?

[GJM]

I wonder if the weapon was C1 or C3 prior to him grabbing it?

Framing through the vid, it sure looked as if condition 1, as I didn't see a second hand working the slide.

[Dagga Boy]

In bad areas, when traveling, and pretty regularly these days, I have a revolver in the same place or under my left leg for the same reason. One of the best OIS shootings we had was a former LAPD bad ass who retried and went to work for us carried a 6" .45 Colt. Tough to draw in the car, so he carried his off duty S&W 669 under his left leg in the car. Whacked a duty with two 147 grain sub-sonics in a very rapid deployment from the car. A ton of my guys (as did I) carried Ruger SP-101's with 180 Black Talons under our legs driving both on and off duty specifically for counter Car-jacking.

[SLG]

In bad areas, when traveling, and pretty regularly these days, I have a revolver in the same place or under my left leg for the same reason. One of the best OIS shootings we had was a former LAPD bad ass who retried and went to work for us carried a 6" .45 Colt. Tough to draw in the car, so he carried his off duty S&W 669 under his left leg in the car. Whacked a duty with two 147 grain sub-sonics in a very rapid deployment from the car. A ton of my guys (as did I) carried Ruger SP-101's with 180 Black Talons under our legs driving both on and off duty specifically for counter Car-jacking.

Very surprised to hear that Nyeti. I thought everyone learned from my agency's mistakes (I'm sure plenty of others have made the same mistakes, but ours seem to get more play). Putting a gun under your leg while driving can lead to all sorts of bad things when you have to drive aggressively before the shooting starts. In your case, I'm sure you have another serious gun on you if you were to lsoe the one under your leg. Others may not though, and regardless, if it gets stuck under a pedal, problems may ensue.

Since I carry AIWB, car draws are pretty effortless. When I carried behind the hip, I practiced my draw in the car quite a bit. Never had an issue getting it out fast.

[BehindBlueI's]

Very surprised to hear that Nyeti. I thought everyone learned from my agency's mistakes (I'm sure plenty of others have made the same mistakes, but ours seem to get more play). Putting a gun under your leg while driving can lead to all sorts of bad things when you have to drive aggressively before the shooting starts. In your case, I'm sure you have another serious gun on you if you were to lsoe the one under your leg. Others may not though, and regardless, if it gets stuck under a pedal, problems may ensue.

Since I carry AIWB, car draws are pretty effortless. When I carried behind the hip, I practiced my draw in the car quite a bit. Never had an issue getting it out fast.

If I have to drive aggressively I can put it back in the center console first. There are some areas I put my ankle gun under my thigh while driving and then reholster it prior to getting back out.

[Hambo]

I carry a BUG in my cargo pocket for access while driving, although I just changed vehicles and the seats seem to offer better access to my IWB pistol.

[JodyH]

An ankle holster works great for seated handgun access when driving a suv or pickup, not so great in a low slung car seat.

[TGS]

If I have to drive aggressively I can put it back in the center console first. There are some areas I put my ankle gun under my thigh while driving and then reholster it prior to getting back out.

I guess the point is that sometimes you can't predict when you're going to need to drive aggressively......or have to ram another car.

Otherwise Special Agent Sumdood in 1986 would not have had so much trouble, as SLG alluded to.

Both times I preempted a master grip, it was in a vehicle and if things had continued south both events probably would have involved ramming a car, person, going into a field, or all of the above. I did not get to plan or predict these events, as they happened in a matter of seconds.

[ToddG]

I guess the point is that sometimes you can't predict when you're going to need to drive aggressively......or have to ram another car.

Or when another car may even simply strike yours by accident. I'm sure we've all seen the results of serious car-on-car impacts. Everything that isn't nailed down goes bouncing into random zip codes. The last thing I want is to lose control of the gun that I took out so I could have a little more control over it.

The other assumption with the "gun under leg" approach is that you'll necessarily have the time and ability to hide it should someone -- like a police officer -- start poking around.

I prefer simply practicing my draw from inside the car. Which is particularly simple with aiwb as many have discovered.

[LittleLebowski]

I prefer simply practicing my draw from inside the car. Which is particularly simple with aiwb as many have discovered.

This.

[RevolverRob]

The greatest exaptation of the shoulder holster is for quick access while seated in a car.

RE: the car - draw or drive, don't do both. If you can't use the vehicle to drive away promptly, use it for cover and draw.

-Rob

[TGS]

For you guys who carry IWB at 3-5 O'Clock, do you really have that much trouble drawing while seated? Before I switched to AIWB, I took at least 1 course which included drawing and firing from the drivers seat while belted in. I dont remember it being that difficult.

[Peally]

OWB at 4 isn't terribly difficult IMO, as long as you don't have clothing bunched up around it. Just lean forward and draw as usual, using the wheel as leverage if you need/can.

[ToddG]

For you guys who carry IWB at 3-5 O'Clock, do you really have that much trouble drawing while seated? Before I switched to AIWB, I took at least 1 course which included drawing and firing from the drivers seat while belted in. I dont remember it being that difficult.

There's difficult, and there's slow. It's not difficult, but it is definitely slower.

[JAD]

I carry at 2:45 or so (and AIWB sometimes). It's very fast and I can draw without sweeping myself or donking the steering wheel.

[BigDaddy]

There is a video out there about a traffic stop in which the passenger of the stopped car reached for his pistol which he was carrying AIWB. The Officer didn't even see him pull it as there was no movement of his arm or shoulder as he drew the weapon.