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Mr_White
03-13-2015, 01:29 PM
Week 103: Reload 5000

Results may be posted until April 13th, 2015.

Now I bet when you saw the drill name, you thought it was going to be some insane thing like doing 5000 reloads. Not so – the name just makes the drill sound futuristic and cool. ;) We will reload far less than 5000 times in the course of this drill.

For this drill, you'll need your pistol, at least one magazine, and possibly at least one inert training cartridge (number of magazines and inert training cartridges needed depends on the exact drill format you choose), plus a safe direction. Concealment is optional.

At bare minimum, verify gun is unloaded, have no live ammo anywhere in the dry practice area, and keep muzzle in a safe direction. But there is more you can do to ensure safety in dry practice. Please also read Robust Dry Practice Safety Principles and Procedure following the drill description.

Designed by: Gabe White
Target: Shooter's choice
Range: Shooter's choice
Rounds: 0

Following the Mag Retrieval 500 drill from two weeks ago, we are going to work on a more complete dry reloading drill. You'll have two options for how exactly to do the drill, depending on what you want to emphasize. Instead of doing a certain number of repetitions, we'll practice for a certain amount of time, however many repetitions that ends up being.

Shooter's choice on target and distance. You might use an easier target. You might use a harder target. You might use multiple targets and vary them.

Option A: In battery reloads – start with the slide in battery, no magazine in the gun, aimed at the target, with finger on the trigger. The drill itself will be to make your finger straight, retrieve and insert a new magazine, get the gun back on target and press the trigger in accordance with the sight picture. The magazine you load with can be empty, full of inert training cartridges, or a dedicated weighted dummy magazine. The benefit of Option A is efficiency. You will be able to do more repetitions for a given amount of time spent, you will make less noise doing your practice, and you will be effectively practicing in-battery speed reloads rather than a more complete slidelock reload.

Option B: Slidelock reloads – start with the slide locked back, empty magazine in the gun, aimed at the target, with finger on the trigger. The drill itself will be to make your finger straight, eject the empty magazine, retrieve and insert a new magazine, close the slide, get the gun back on target and press the trigger in accordance with the sight picture. The magazine you load with can be empty (won't work if you overhand the slide to close it), a dedicated weighted dummy magazine, a magazine full of inert training cartridges (a little more prep to set up for the next repetition), or can have one inert training cartridge (prep for the next repetition can consist of fully retracting the slide, which will eject the one dummy cartridge and lock the slide back with a now-empty magazine in the gun, setting you up for the next repetition.) The benefit of Option B is the completeness of ejecting the empty magazine and closing the slide. You will have that completeness at the cost of fewer repetitions for a given amount of time spent and your practice will make more noise.

For either option, focus on driving your support hand toward and cleanly clearing concealment (if used), obtaining a consistent grip on the new magazine, driving the magazine to the gun, clean insertion of the new magazine, proper support hand grip on the gun, and pressing the trigger well and in accordance with the sight picture. Those are the essential elements. You can choose how hard you want to drive your speed in the drill. You might explore the ragged edge, you might work purely on consistency of execution, or you might look for a balance or bounce back and forth between extremes. All of those are worthwhile manners of practice.

Please report: gun, magazine, magazine pouch, and concealment (if any) used, how you chose to set up the drill (option A or B, inert training cartridges/dummy magazine/etc.), how much time you spent doing the drill, and anything you noticed.

Training with firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. Be sure to follow all safety protocols when using firearms or practicing these drills. These drills are provided for information purposes only. Use at your own risk.

Robust Dry Practice Safety Principles and Procedure (the closer you follow this, the fewer opportunities you will have to ND)


Principles:

Allow no distractions – focus exclusively on the task at hand

Keep muzzle in a safe direction

Use correct trigger finger discipline

Verify no live ammo in gun, on person, or in the dry practice area

Use dedicated dry practice targets that are put away until you consciously choose to begin dry practice, and taken down when you consciously end dry practice

Use dedicated dry practice magazines and dummy rounds/inert training cartridges that stay in the dry practice area (if you use any magazine or cartridges)


Procedure:

Unload gun in a location other than the dry practice area

Leave live ammo, and magazines with live ammo, completely outside the dry practice area

Enter the dry practice area

Verify gun is unloaded, that any magazines do not contain live ammo, and that any cartridges present are inert/dummy cartridges

Consciously choose to begin dry practice

Put up dry practice targets

Do your dry practice

Take down dry practice targets and put them away

Consciously choose to end dry practice

Exit the dry practice area and do something unrelated for a few minutes

Return gun to location and condition of your choosing

Range1
04-02-2015, 09:02 AM
Have been doing this for the past week or so. I used a Glock 34 with the 17 round magazine, a Safariland model 074 mag holder and a CompTac owb holster strong side holster all under a front opening jacket. I used a mix of dummy rounds. Time spent averaged around 30 minutes per day split pretty evenly between Option A and Option B.

Did not notice anything earth shaking. The faster I tried to go the more mistakes I made. When I concentrated on just getting it done right I was smoother and faster, duh. Sometimes I just got frustrated and had to walk away for awhile. Little things made a hughe difference. Definitely seems smoother and quicker doing reloads and am looking forward to seeing how it translates to live fire.

Corey
04-07-2015, 08:58 AM
M&P9 full size with Blade-Tech IDPA holster and mag carrier. Used option A with empty mags. Spent about 20 minutes a day over the past 5 days on this one.

I really needed this drill. I actually started doing this drill in conjunction with the mag retrieval drill. I would start with the mag retrieval drill in the morning and then follow with this drill in the evening. I did this enough that I got a blister on the finger of my support hand from where it rubbed on the floorplate of the mag as I pulled it out. I also did this both with open front concealment and with no concealment. Since I shoot IDPA, I added some time doing reloads with retention for this drill. I experimented with stuffing the mag in my pocket and in my waistband and found that waistband was faster, but increased the chances of dropping the mag for me. Now I just have to determine if the risk of dropping the mag is worth the time saved. Maybe if I keep working on this I can reduce my chances of dropping the mag.

Mr_White
04-10-2015, 10:37 AM
Did it, spent about two hours doing reloads spread across numerous sessions since the DotW was posted.

Used my Gen3 G34, OEM magazines with OEM +2 extensions filled with actual dummy rounds, and Blade-Tech single magazine pouches mostly under polo shirts, but a few t-shirts as well.

Did option B (in-battery reloads), choosing efficiency of practice this time. I made sure to pay attention to hitting the mag catch with the gun still upright, and then getting my thumb on the slide stop lever as if doing slidelock reloads.

Especially worked on something that I think has been helping my reload lately - bringing the gun to a more lateral position, which I think is aligning the mag well with the incoming mag better. Still ironing it out, but it pretty much seems like this is allowing me to minimize or eliminate the pause prior to mag insertion. Many times I am practically throwing it in there.

The thing that always gets me, if something is going to, is clearing the shirt and getting a consistent grip on the new magazine. So easy to short stroke clearing the shirt.

Need a bunch more work on this.

Clobbersaurus
04-10-2015, 07:49 PM
I dry fire almost every day, and each session includes about a dozen reloads. So I guess I've completed this.

I've been using a Girsan and Beretta for the last several months. I use two Blackhawk mag pouches for primarily slide lock reloads with a vest used as a cover garment.

I seem to hit reloads with more consistency when moving (less double pumps trying to get the mag in the well and a more consistent grip on the mag). I tend to think that this is just because I'm not focusing so much on speed, but trying to navigate to where I'm going.

I find that if I get a good visual lock on the far side of the mag well as I bring the gun back and angle it towards my mag pouch I'm more consistent. I painted this portion of my mag well red on my Glock to help draw my eyes to that location and it seems to work. I haven't had the heart to paint my Elite II.

I struggle with getting a good grip on my mags. If I focus on feeling my palm index on the base plate of the mag I end up getting a much better grip, and my index finger aligns perfectly along the spine of the mag. I find a 9 o'clock position for my mag holders allows more consistent grip when using an open front cover garment.

I have much less double pumps (overshooting the mag well) with my Beretta than I do with my Glock. Beretta mags taper much more towards the follower and they allow much more room to get the mag in the well. The beveled mag well on the Beretta is more forgiving than the non beveled well on the Girsan. The gen 3 Glock mag well is very unforgiving.

If I try to just throw the mag in the gun, bad things happen. That's what I did on my last FAST and the mag went spinning into the dirt.

EricM
04-13-2015, 12:09 PM
Been working on this each dry fire session for the last couple weeks, probably about 3 hours total. G17 mag concealed under T-shirt in JMCK AIWB single pistol mag pouch. Had a lot of ground to cover on this drill because I hadn't even determined yet how I was going to manipulate the gun for the reload; I'm a lefty switching to Glocks after years of paddle mag releases and ambi slide releases.

I've found the building block approach in the recent DOTWs to be very helpful in refining smaller pieces of the overall motion, as opposed to trying to refine the entire complex motion all at once. With that in mind I started off by following a half session of mag retrievals for DOTW 101 with a half session of in-battery reloads for this drill. After a few sessions that way, I went to slidelock reloads using ST Action Pro training rounds. Experimented with a few different types of slide releases and mag releases, as well as switching the mag release between left and right sides of the gun, trying to find what would work best for me. Only had a couple sessions remaining once everything was settled; I feel good about where I'm at but definitely need a lot more reps.

I added par times this morning. I'm pretty consistent around 2.2 seconds for a slidelock reload from concealment (timing from sight picture to trigger pull as described in option B). The only documented times I have for a concealed reload previously were for DOTW 94 (FAST), there I was between 3.52 and 4.78. I've held off on running the FAST again until spending some solid time working on each element separately, will run it next time I'm at the range. This thread will be locked by then but I'll post the results in my journal.

As a side note, I tried to set up my competition rig to be as similar as possible, with an OWB Safariland 771 pouch at the same belt position and cant as the JMCK AIWB SPMP. While I seem to be a tenth or two faster with the OWB pouch, I actually feel I get a better and faster index on the mag with the AIWB pouch. Not sure if this has to do with the position of the pouch, the +5 extensions on my competition mags, or just that all my practice has been with the AIWB pouch. Something I'll look into.