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LittleLebowski
03-09-2015, 09:03 AM
Good article.
http://www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
Jay
03-09-2015, 09:51 AM
Thanks!
Good read, but I think the thought of using this method still has me strongly considering a soda blasting chamber.
I just need to find a place to keep the frigging thing.
LittleLebowski
03-09-2015, 10:01 AM
I will be trying this technique first when I (someday) get my .22 cans.
Jay
03-09-2015, 10:29 AM
The awesomeness of shooting one does somehow offset the soul crushing task of cleaning them.
Love my sparrow, plan on picking up a Ryder in hopes that it restores my faith in Surefire that they can produce a 'quiet' can. My 556 can from them is my single largest regrettable firearms purchase.
MichaelD
03-09-2015, 10:54 AM
I love the article and the experimentation he's done, but he almost blows away his credibility with this line: "Seems that when silicone oil gets on a metal surface, it’s nearly impossible to completely remove from the pores of the metal...".

Ugh. Still, good tip.
orionz06
03-09-2015, 11:00 AM
The pores comment makes me wanna kick my monitor.

Otherwise the spray I use in my SS Sparrow is silicone based and works very well. Never needed more than a quick wipe. I also don't shoot more than 500 rounds before cleaning it.
LittleLebowski
03-09-2015, 11:37 AM
I love the article and the experimentation he's done, but he almost blows away his credibility with this line: "Seems that when silicone oil gets on a metal surface, it’s nearly impossible to completely remove from the pores of the metal...".

Ugh. Still, good tip.

I've seen people "clean" an LAV's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAV-25) CARC (http://www.milspray.com/products-services/touch-up-paint-coatings/usar/why-carc) paint with Armorall and while it looked good for a while, later on, new coats of paint would not stick. It was explained to me that the silicone in Armorall did this.
JV_
03-09-2015, 01:07 PM
Auto body shops hate Armorall, many won't even allow it in the shops. It carries pretty far, much further than you'd imagine, and has ruined a lot of paint jobs.
Edwin
03-09-2015, 01:45 PM
Good to know about the silicon oil. My current cleaning process is pretty simple and quick. A pressurized stream of 100LL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas), compressed air to air dry, re-oil with either Gun Butter or Corrosion-X and a quick wipe down. I can easily clean my P-35 in under 10 minutes. At $6.50/gal, it's a cheap solvent.
LittleLebowski
03-09-2015, 01:52 PM
Good to know about the silicon oil. My current cleaning process is pretty simple and quick. A pressurized stream of 100LL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas), compressed air to air dry, re-oil with either Gun Butter or Corrosion-X and a quick wipe down. I can easily clean my P-35 in under 10 minutes. At $6.50/gal, it's a cheap solvent.

Suppressors are a bit harder to clean, especially rimfire :D
Irelander
03-09-2015, 02:21 PM
Anyone try Fireclean to clean up silencer baffles? I've heard good things about it for use in 22 suppressors.
LOKNLOD
03-09-2015, 04:14 PM
What makes rim fire suppressors so much dirtier than others?
JV_
03-09-2015, 04:30 PM
Lead buildup is one issue.
LOKNLOD
03-09-2015, 04:33 PM
Lead buildup is one issue.

Due to unjacketed bullets?
JV_
03-09-2015, 05:59 PM
As I understand it, it's a combination of issues:

Unjacketed bullet
lead hardness
wax type bullet lubes
excessive unburnt powder fouling
rimfire priming compounds
JAD
03-09-2015, 07:13 PM
Auto body shops hate Armorall, many won't even allow it in the shops. It carries pretty far, much further than you'd imagine, and has ruined a lot of paint jobs.

Silicone is a horrid contaminant. Shops that work on aerospace electronics would like you to leave your livestrong bracelet at home. I don't know how many times I've looked at a FTIR plot and found RTV has crept into a customer's floor.


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LHS
03-10-2015, 11:09 AM
This is why I wish I'd done more research before buying a rimfire can. My Outback II is a sealed unit, and the aluminum in its construction means I can't use a lot of otherwise viable methods to clean it. I've been seriously considering sending it in to Gemtech to have it rebuilt into an Outback IID with their new baffle stack.
LittleLebowski
03-10-2015, 11:38 AM
This is why I wish I'd done more research before buying a rimfire can. My Outback II is a sealed unit, and the aluminum in its construction means I can't use a lot of otherwise viable methods to clean it. I've been seriously considering sending it in to Gemtech to have it rebuilt into an Outback IID with their new baffle stack.

I've been following a thread on another forum about the rebuilds Gemtech is doing; I would jump on that if I were you.
Irelander
03-10-2015, 01:52 PM
This is why I wish I'd done more research before buying a rimfire can. My Outback II is a sealed unit, and the aluminum in its construction means I can't use a lot of otherwise viable methods to clean it. I've been seriously considering sending it in to Gemtech to have it rebuilt into an Outback IID with their new baffle stack.

You could also send it to SRI (http://www.stalkingrhino.com/) and have it jailbroke. But I just saw on their website they are no longer jailbreaking used .22 cans.
LittleLebowski
03-10-2015, 02:00 PM
You could also send it to SRI (http://www.stalkingrhino.com/) and have it jailbroke. But I just saw on their website they are no longer jailbreaking used .22 cans.

The Gemtech program he mentioned seems like a no brainer (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/436948_GEMTECH_IOU_PROGRAM___Impproved_Outback_Upg rade.html)
Edwin
03-10-2015, 02:04 PM
Stupid question:

Would treating my pistol or parts of my pistol in silicon oil like in the original article help in either lubrication or keeping the gun clean? I can imagine at the very least using it on my fire control group to make it super easy to clean crud off the little nooks and crannies in there.
Failure2Stop
03-10-2015, 02:11 PM
I'm interested in this as well. I was planning on "pre-treating" .22 cans with fireclean, mostly because voodoo. It would be cool to hear from someone with good firsthand experience.

I wonder if this is a topic that Dr. Bill could drop some science on.
If using FC inside a suppressor, use very light coats, allowing them to completely dry before applying the next.
It has a high burn point, but once it does, it becomes pretty damn hard (only noticed when I shot the can "wet" with it).
I use it to reduce carbon accumulation in/on suppressor mounts for 5.56 and 7.62 rifles that are shot pretty extensively and get hot.
Think that properly applied it should be very effective on further baffles inside a .22 can.
LittleLebowski
03-10-2015, 06:15 PM
Stupid question:

Would treating my pistol or parts of my pistol in silicon oil like in the original article help in either lubrication or keeping the gun clean? I can imagine at the very least using it on my fire control group to make it super easy to clean crud off the little nooks and crannies in there.

It would not help and you're probably way overthinking cleaning your pistol. Clean your pistol every 1k -2 rounds or so by blasting it (outside) with non chlorinated brake cleaner. Then relube it. Repeat.
Irelander
03-13-2015, 08:24 AM
I picked up some FireClean and am going to give it a try on my next .22 can cleaning. I'm hoping for the best.

My suppressor is a Tactical Innovations TAC65 that I have been surprisingly impressed with.
Failure2Stop
03-13-2015, 08:41 AM
I picked up some FireClean and am going to give it a try on my next .22 can cleaning. I'm hoping for the best.

My suppressor is a Tactical Innovations TAC65 that I have been surprisingly impressed with.

FC does best when applied before firing, and used continuously thereafter.
As a straight cleaner it's ok, but not as aggressive as the less environmentally friendly stuff.
LHS
09-23-2015, 05:24 PM
I've been following a thread on another forum about the rebuilds Gemtech is doing; I would jump on that if I were you.

Well, I finally broke down and ordered the upgrade. Now to mail my can off to Idaho and wait.
LHS
09-23-2015, 05:52 PM
Also, LL have you seen any info on doing the silicone oil pre-treat with aluminum parts? The article only mentions stainless and inconel, and specifically says he hasn't played with aluminum.
LittleLebowski
09-23-2015, 05:55 PM
Also, LL have you seen any info on doing the silicone oil pre-treat with aluminum parts? The article only mentions stainless and inconel, and specifically says he hasn't played with aluminum.

I've seen it somewhere and did the same to my aluminum can (Warlock II). I'll let you know how it looks once I shoot a few hundred more rounds through it. I wasn't impressed with Fireclean on my Spectre II and the silicone oil is not miraculous but it is orders of magnitude better than Fireclean on suppressors in my experience.
LittleLebowski
09-23-2015, 05:57 PM
Stupid question:

Would treating my pistol or parts of my pistol in silicon oil like in the original article help in either lubrication or keeping the gun clean? I can imagine at the very least using it on my fire control group to make it super easy to clean crud off the little nooks and crannies in there.

I sincerely doubt it. Just hose it out with non chlorinated brake (outside) every 1k rounds or so and relube with a quality lube.
taadski
09-24-2015, 01:46 PM
Well, I finally broke down and ordered the upgrade. Now to mail my can off to Idaho and wait.


I've been looking at doing the Gemtech upgrade for my OutbackII. I be psyched to hear your impressions when you get it back.


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LittleLebowski
09-24-2015, 02:08 PM
Good article.
http://www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html

So, I've had mediocre results with Fireclean (I did NOT apply it the way F2S said to, just a wet layer on the baffles) and better results with DOT 5 brake fluid. However, I was using DOT 5 brake fluid as this silicone oil (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CJNNEJ0/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00CJNNEJ0&linkCode=as2&tag=ratio07-20) was not in stock on Amazon at the time. That is the stuff the original article recommended. I will order some at the end of the month and report back once I have to clean again.
StraitR
09-28-2015, 04:36 PM
Silencer Shop sent me some FC as swag with my Omega. Can FC be applied to a sealed unit effectively?
LHS
10-01-2015, 11:25 AM
I've been looking at doing the Gemtech upgrade for my OutbackII. I be psyched to hear your impressions when you get it back.


Shipped my suppressor to them on Tuesday (Holy shit, FedEx charged me $97 for mandatory overnight shipping + insurance). Got an email from them yesterday that it had arrived, and another one today saying it had entered the upgrade process and should be done in 2-4 weeks.
LittleLebowski
10-01-2015, 11:31 AM
Silencer Shop sent me some FC as swag with my Omega. Can FC be applied to a sealed unit effectively?

Don't worry about that with a centerfire rifle can.
taadski
10-01-2015, 11:51 AM
Shipped my suppressor to them on Tuesday (Holy shit, FedEx charged me $97 for mandatory overnight shipping + insurance). Got an email from them yesterday that it had arrived, and another one today saying it had entered the upgrade process and should be done in 2-4 weeks.


Thanks for the update. Was the "mandatory overnight shipping" a FedEx stipulation? I shipped a can in for repair some years ago and IIRC, it went second day without any issue. It sure as heck didn't cost me $100 at any rate.
LHS
10-01-2015, 02:35 PM
Thanks for the update. Was the "mandatory overnight shipping" a FedEx stipulation? I shipped a can in for repair some years ago and IIRC, it went second day without any issue. It sure as heck didn't cost me $100 at any rate.

Yeah, the FedEx clerk (who had no idea about how to go about doing it) said it was stipulated in her rulebook. I wonder if she got it confused with handguns (which, IIRC, do have to be shipped overnight)? I didn't know enough to argue, and I just wanted to get it shipped and on its way.
taadski
10-01-2015, 06:24 PM
Yeah, the FedEx clerk (who had no idea about how to go about doing it) said it was stipulated in her rulebook. I wonder if she got it confused with handguns (which, IIRC, do have to be shipped overnight)? I didn't know enough to argue, and I just wanted to get it shipped and on its way.


Good copy. Makes sense.
LHS
10-05-2015, 05:12 PM
Got an email today that the upgrade is done and it's being handed off to their shipping department for packaging today. I shipped it on the 29th, they got it on the 30th, and finished it on the 5th. A grand total of four business days.

Can't wait to see how it runs now.
taadski
10-05-2015, 05:43 PM
Got an email today that the upgrade is done and it's being handed off to their shipping department for packaging today. I shipped it on the 29th, they got it on the 30th, and finished it on the 5th. A grand total of four business days.

Can't wait to see how it runs now.


Nice. Eager to hear how ya like the monocore.

I had Gemtech do a threading job on a bull barreled 22/45 that turned out great. I think the complete turn around for it was a week and a half or something crazy fast.

Pictures...well, because pictures... :-)


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