Another awesome shooting video!

[Shellback]

At 1:07 is a good way to get shot. The whole sequence at 1:29 is another great way to get shot by multiple people. Lots of other stupid shit... Enjoy!


http://youtu.be/kneuscttWgU

[John Ralston]

My boys aren't big enough...I wouldn't be able to attend that school - ever!

[SCBradley]

At 1:43 when he dual wields the karambits, comedy gold. They really shouldn't let Resident Evil cosplay enthusiasts use the live ammo though.

[MDS]

Q: I can has asshats?

A: Absolutely! At 1:36, you can has Olympic Synchronized Asshattery!

[Savage Hands]

Sweet Jesus! :eek:

[Tamara]

If you Google "American Defense Enterprises", there's an interesting link to a discussion at CalGuns.net.

[SecondsCount]

I gotta get me a pair of those shoes...

[beltjones]

I almost crapped my pants when the camera moved at around 2:18.

[fuse]

Why god, why?

Having said that, the best part was 1:47. Pretty sure that's from a john woo movie.

That room clearing was unreal. One of the most insane things on the Internet.

The disturbing thing is, surely just a tiny fraction of this type of "training" makes it to youtube. Let that sink in a bit.

It boggles the mind.

[Tamara]

Wow, the Department of Homeland Security rated them the number one trainers in the world! And have you seen their "American Warrior Test"? It's the ultimate test of skills. Forget a sub-5 second FAST, it takes seven hours just to take the American Warrior Test, which is apparently almost as grueling as earning a Four Weapons Combat Master ticket!

The firearms training industry has grown from a handful of guys in the desert thirty years ago into a behemoth, surfing the wave of the ongoing GWOT and the popularity of shows like 24 and The Best Defense and movies like... well... every summer movie out there.

It is only a matter of time until some chiropodist at a weekend SWAT fantasy camp gets his kidneys blown out his navel by the Bushhamster of the stranger behind him in the stack preparing to practice breaching and clearing and somebody like 20/20 or 60 Minutes is going to have a fucking field day.

The lack of a self-regulating accrediting body is going to bite this industry in the ass sooner or later, and the irony is that even having one wouldn't do any good, since there is always a certain subset of trainers who would market themselves as outlaws, teaching SPECOPS SEAL Contractor tactics too extreme for the other guys, who are a bunch of nancy milquetoasts.

[NickA]

Wow, the Department of Homeland Security rated them the number one trainers in the world! And have you seen their "American Warrior Test"? It's the ultimate test of skills. Forget a sub-5 second FAST, it takes seven hours just to take the American Warrior Test, which is apparently almost as grueling as earning a Four Weapons Combat Master ticket!

The firearms training industry has grown from a handful of guys in the desert thirty years ago into a behemoth, surfing the wave of the ongoing GWOT and the popularity of shows like 24 and The Best Defense and movies like... well... every summer movie out there.

It is only a matter of time until some chiropodist at a weekend SWAT fantasy camp gets his kidneys blown out his navel by the Bushhamster of the stranger behind him in the stack preparing to practice breaching and clearing and somebody like 20/20 or 60 Minutes is going to have a fucking field day.

The lack of a self-regulating accrediting body is going to bite this industry in the ass sooner or later, and the irony is that even having one wouldn't do any good, since there is always a certain subset of trainers who would market themselves as outlaws, teaching SPECOPS SEAL Contractor tactics too extreme for the other guys, who are a bunch of nancy milquetoasts.
Testify sister! I can see it already, some DB network haircut solemnly saying "Tonight we take you into the dark disturbing world of tactical training.... ", cut to blurry cam footage of some nuts like the ones in this video (of course they won't talk to anyone reputable). National pants-shitting ensues and of course, more laws.

[JodyH]

http://www.reece-eu.net/gallery/var/resizes/funny/tactical-face-palm.jpg

[Shellback]

The disturbing thing is, surely just a tiny fraction of this type of "training" makes it to youtube. Let that sink in a bit.

According to their infomercials they teach Victoria Secret models and that's enough for me. :)

[dookie1481]

Yet judging from the type of bumpkins I see at gun shows and in gun stores, I'm sure they have no shortage of people lining up to take their ninja courses.

[Tamara]

Testify sister! I can see it already, some DB network haircut solemnly saying "Tonight we take you into the dark disturbing world of tactical training.... ", cut to blurry cam footage of some nuts like the ones in this video (of course they won't talk to anyone reputable).
Like I wrote at my blog (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2011/08/big-boy-rules.html) in the expanded version of my post, name five big-name trainers you'd leave alone in a room for five minutes with Chris Cuomo and a cameraman, knowing that a hostile hand would be driving the editing controls...

I can think of a couple that can't help but look like dangerous loonies even when they've written the script and hired the video crew.

[SteveK]

I knew there had to be a mall ninja academy somewhere.

[Occam's Razor]

I honestly have no words to describe how disturbing that is.

[jslaker]

I find it particularly amusing that they have slings on their ARs, but are apparently too tactical to use them.

[SCBradley]

I find it particularly amusing that they have slings on their ARs, but are apparently too tactical to use them.

They must have trained this guy then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHLgGNhkGYQ&feature=related

4:27 "If your rifle jams, f%&k it, throw it, go to your pistol. A lot of people keep their rifle on them. Unless you want to die, get rid of it."

[Odin Bravo One]

Every time I start to consider actually conducting training, I see shit like this and wonder........what's the point?

But it does help make future employment decisions easy. I just can't compete with that level of "professionalism".

[NickA]

Like I wrote at my blog (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2011/08/big-boy-rules.html) in the expanded version of my post, name five big-name trainers you'd leave alone in a room for five minutes with Chris Cuomo and a cameraman, knowing that a hostile hand would be driving the editing controls...

I can think of a couple that can't help but look like dangerous loonies even when they've written the script and hired the video crew.
Unfortunately I haven't even met five big name trainers but point well-taken. It's pretty much a no-win situation with an interviewer who's hostile and an audience that doesn't understand the issue in the first place.

[Tamara]

Unfortunately I haven't even met five big name trainers but point well-taken. It's pretty much a no-win situation with an interviewer who's hostile and an audience that doesn't understand the issue in the first place.

I can think of a couple-few off the top of my head who have some legal or law-enforcement background and thus have some experience on a witness stand and can therefore presumably clean up nicely and go ten words without dropping an "f-bomb", but the firearms training community as a whole is pretty insular, and even a lot of top-tier trainers are pretty rough around the edges and would do poorly with a reporter all up in their grille. And that's not to mention some of the industry's self-professed "bad boys"...

This is why self-policing is important: So that it doesn't come to that...

[LOKNLOD]

Every time I start to consider actually conducting training, I see shit like this and wonder........what's the point?


I think shit like this is exactly why there need to be good trainers out there teaching solid concepts rooted in real experience.

[LittleLebowski]

Larry Vickers critiquing these guys, one on one.


One can dream......

[beltjones]

edit.

[ToddG]

They really shouldn't let Resident Evil cosplay enthusiasts use the live ammo though.

Awesome

[jlw]

Wow.

I'm curious about this supposed Homeland Security rating. I would like to see that list.

[jslaker]

Wow.

I'm curious about this supposed Homeland Security rating. I would like to see that list.

In the Calguns thread Tam referenced, somebody apparently did contact DHS who said they maintain no such ratings. Shocker, I know.

[jlw]

In the Calguns thread Tam referenced, somebody apparently did contact DHS who said they maintain no such ratings. Shocker, I know.

Shocked I am. ;)

[ubervic]

Watching the group scenes makes me wince. Forget how goofy most of it is, the multiple-shooter sequences are really something....'special.' I can't fathom how these shooters willingly performed these stunts---they are literally begging to be shot, many times. I can't get over it.

[JodyH]

Self regulating the training industry could be accomplished by peer review instead of a licensing entity.
While the Internet tends to spawn these morons it also tends to weed them out almost as fast.
Just peruse the various web sites and see the almost universal mockery of these guys.

[jetfire]

Self regulating the training industry could be accomplished by peer review instead of a licensing entity.
While the Internet tends to spawn these morons it also tends to weed them out almost as fast.
Just peruse the various web sites and see the almost universal mockery of these guys.

If being mocked on the internet prevented people from making foolish decisions with firearms related money, no one would own a Taurus. It's easy to forget that just because the people that roll at Pistol-Forum recognize a retard when we see it that the vast majority of gun owners haven't had enough training to realize why guys like this are hella dangerous.

[Kyle Reese]

Next they'll claim to be affiliated with IALEFI.....:D:D


Wow.

I'm curious about this supposed Homeland Security rating. I would like to see that list.

[Tamara]

If being mocked on the internet prevented people from making foolish decisions with firearms related money, no one would own a Taurus.

Quoted For Truth.

Incidentally, there's nothing keeping anyone from going and getting carved on by a non-Board Certified surgeon.

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"My name is Bill Beasley. I run American Defense Enterprises..."

[Tamara]

FWIW, PDB's blow-by-blow takedown (http://www.papadeltabravo.com/blog/?p=1221) is epic.


This video is in a 3 minute nutshell, every caveat and buyer beware you could want to avoid when shopping for professional firearms instruction. ADE aces my trainer bullshit detection checklist:

- Ratings and comments disabled on YouTube videos, no public forum, or dissenting opinions rapidly squashed on a forum by a gang of uncritical nuthuggers.
- Emphasis on who they have supposedly trained, not whom they have trained under. Legitimate trainers are all constantly learning from each other, as our art is an open, collaborative process, not a secret handed down from the mountain by a guru.
- Excessive guru worship, not invented here syndrome.
- Emphasis on guru qualifications, but handwaving the details. So Bill Beasley was supposedly in the special forces in some manner. When? Where? Who served with him? You won’t find out from ADE!
- Poor or nonexistent range safety.
- Non sequitors or ad hominiems defending poor or nonexistent range safety
- Students running team drills with people they have never met before.
- Emphasis on flashy drills and tactics while disregarding the fundamentals of shooting.

[Slavex]

Please tell me this company isn't associated with American Defense Manufacturing.

[beltjones]

Please tell me this company isn't associated with American Defense Manufacturing.

No, but guess what's coming soon??? "Canadian Defense Enterprises!"

[peterb]

Pretty sure that's from a john woo movie.


Exactly. If this was "Action movie actor's school", and they were doing it with blanks, it'd be funny. But the fact that they're doing these drills with live ammunition -- and getting customers to pay them for it -- is scary.

Heck, I'd rather have these guys teach me to clear a room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSwbxOnMmRA&feature=related :)

[wicked_police]

No, but guess what's coming soon??? "Canadian Defense Enterprises!"

NOOOOOOO!!

[Slavex]

let's beat them to it Wicked, you and I should be able to come up with a pretty cool video that would enrage everyone!
I miss Tim and his buddies from Full Auto.com they always did shit like this as a joke.

[Jay Cunningham]

Be careful what you wish for (generally speaking).

I've participated in enough training that I know ANY instructor could be ripped to shreds from a photo or short video.

Now if they put out a clip over a minute long on their own as advertising, then they're fair game.

[wicked_police]

I could totally do the spinning and teacup grip!!!

And let's do some room clearing too. And ninja rolls!!!!

I'm awesome at ninja rolls.

[Tamara]

Oh, no! They deleted their video, in an attempt to close the barn door after the horse escaped (http://youtu.be/omkfit4NK_A)!

[jlw]

Oh, no! They deleted their video, in an attempt to close the barn door after the horse escaped (http://youtu.be/omkfit4NK_A)!


:D

[TCinVA]

One would think if you filmed it and put it on the web that you would have considered the ramifications of having done so in the first place and made the decision to stand behind what you did. I mean, there's a reason why I don't have a youtube channel or a porn career.

[orionz06]

Oh, no! They deleted their video, in an attempt to close the barn door after the horse escaped (http://youtu.be/omkfit4NK_A)!

Funny how people get in the habit of saving any video that they think might be deleted down the road.

[Abraxas]

One would think if you filmed it and put it on the web that you would have considered the ramifications of having done so in the first place and made the decision to stand behind what you did. I mean, there's a reason why I don't have a youtube channel or a porn career.

Given their processing power to think what they were doing was cool and there was nothing wrong with it, I doubt very seriously their ability to consider the ramifications is very developed. But maybe threads like this that are taking place all over the web will help them develop it.