NFA group therapy thread

[LittleLebowski]

Waiting on a Form 3 to my dealer from SilencerCo on a Saker 7.62 and a Form 4 on a Spectre II from my dealer.

[RevolverRob]

I am waiting on Illinois to join the 21st century and allow NFA. :p :mad:

I win! Only 54 more months until I leave this place and move someplace where NFA is allowed.

To be fair, you can get an SBR now if you are an 03 FFL or member of a "reenactment group". I keep waiting for "Jim-Bob's Short Barrel Rifle Reenactors" to form.

[punkey71]

Just an FYI - not sure if it's been posted here yet -

SilencerCo will be announcing more of the details of their Mil/LEO/FD "Blue Label" program shortly.

Allegedly 50% of MSRP

To stay on topic - just got my Griffin M4SD II 5.56 can a couple weeks ago.

SilencerCo Spectre II is on a Form 3

Trying to stop myself from ordering. Griffin Revolution 9 but I know I'm going to cave in and order it in a week or so....


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[Paul D]

I have an AAC SR7 pending on a form 4 since Thanksgiving. I've forgotten about it until this thread...thanks.

[SeriousStudent]

The deer won't know what hit them.

[GJM]

Apparently the Sig brace thread has morphed into the NFA thread.

[Clusterfrack]

Apparently the Sig brace thread has morphed into the NFA thread.

Yep. I just put in a e-form to SBR my M92 PAP.

[JM Campbell]

At least I have visitation rights until the jail break.

[GJM]

Yep. I just put in a e-form to SBR my M92 PAP.

How much faster is approval by e-form submission,and does it work with a form 4 through a dealer, too?

[JM Campbell]

Form4 is down till further notice. ETA E-form Form4 is down, they are reworking the system to "better" serve the fiefdoms.

Form1 has been reported to be 25-35 days E-form.

[GJM]

So 6-7 months by conventional submission versus about a month by e form?

Can a trust also do a form 1 by e-submission?

[JM Campbell]

Yes sir.

BTW Form4 have been reported to be down to 4-5 months, my shop has stated they have seen them back on paper submission as fast as 3.5 months (quickest amongst their customers).

[JM Campbell]

This is reported to be an excellent source for step by step directions....with pictures/screen shots....E-form

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?147975-Visual-guide-How-to-fill-out-a-Form-1-using-EFORMS

[Clusterfrack]

How much faster is approval by e-form submission,and does it work with a form 4 through a dealer, too?

My last successful e-form came through in 2 months. Then the whole system went down while I had 2 cans in jail. I waited several months, and then on the advice of the dealer, switched to paper forms. It took nearly a year total :-(

From what I've heard, the e-forms are going through really fast now.

[Chance]

The blog at Gun Trust Lawyer is a decent site for NFA news. http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/

[ReverendMeat]

Just an FYI - not sure if it's been posted here yet -

SilencerCo will be announcing more of the details of their Mil/LEO/FD "Blue Label" program shortly.

Allegedly 50% of MSRP

SilencerCo is also on 3point5 now, too (which is neat if you work for a Silencerco dealer) I think 50% off MSRP.

As for the topic of the thread, check cashed Dec. 23 2014 on a Specwar 762. Too bad that it seems futile to try it on my shiny new AUG. Oh well.

[LittleLebowski]

an a trust also do a form 1 by e-submission?

Turn around time for SBRs filed electronically is 40 days or less.

[Odin Bravo One]

Waiting on a 9mm GemTech multi-mount, SilencerCo .45 Octane, and a Military Armament Corporation 10.

I spread them out, every couple of months or so........that way they are clearing every 10-18 weeks, and makes waiting on shit less painful. Or buy a bunch several weeks before heading out the door for deployment. Come home to NFA Christmas!

[BWT]

So 6-7 months by conventional submission versus about a month by e form?

Can a trust also do a form 1 by e-submission?

Currently, IIRC, you can only do E-Form's as an entity.

Individuals require signatures and those forms must be mailed.

[punkey71]

Currently, IIRC, you can only do E-Form's as an entity.

Individuals require signatures and those forms must be mailed.

Exactly.

Form 4s are paper only right now.

Form 1s are paper or E File. However, E File Requires submission via Trust.

ATF sent an email out a couple weeks ago saying that they are expecting E File for Form 4s to be back up late 2015 (So figure 2016).

They have added some contract employees that have cut the times way down.

E File Form 1s in ~30-45 days
Paper Form 3s in ~1.5-2 months
Paper Form 4s in ~3-4 months

It seems like those times are getting even better lately.

If anyone is on the fence regarding Class 3 stuff, now is the time to jump in. Get a Trust and get going!


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[PT Doc]

Turn around time for SBRs filed electronically is 40 days or less.

I got a Form 1 back today, that I submitted through my trust 12/29.

[BWT]

I got a Form 1 back today, that I submitted through my trust 12/29.

For the "uninitiated"; there are different examiners. Sometimes there can be a slight discrepancy.

However, considering we're talking weeks versus months or years; this is lightning fast.

My SBR between Form 3 and then subsequently Form 4. Took about 14-15 months by comparison to 45-60 days.

ETA: That was also during the madness post sandy hook.

[PT Doc]

For the "uninitiated"; there are different examiners. Sometimes there can be a slight discrepancy.

However, considering we're talking weeks versus months or years; this is lightning fast.

My SBR between Form 3 and then subsequently Form 4. Took about 14-15 months by comparison to 45-60 days.

ETA: That was also during the madness post sandy hook.

Sorry, to clarify, this was a lower that will become a SBR. My Saker 7.62 purchased same day through Silencer Shop is still pending the Form 3.

[Kyle Reese]

I got a Form 1 back today, that I submitted through my trust 12/29.

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[JSGlock34]

Waiting on a Form 3 to clear on an AAC Ti-Rant 9 that I purchased on 12/31 (just under the wire for the 'Damn the Man!' promotion).

[45dotACP]

I am waiting on Illinois to join the 21st century and allow NFA. :p :mad:

I win! Only 54 more months until I leave this place and move someplace where NFA is allowed.

To be fair, you can get an SBR now if you are an 03 FFL or member of a "reenactment group". I keep waiting for "Jim-Bob's Short Barrel Rifle Reenactors" to form.

Progress is slow, unfortunately. I'm just positive that the Chicago politicians still believe that a suppressor turns a 300 Win Mag into a whimsical little mouse fart like you hear in Hollywood.

[HCM]

Some good news- a TX legislator just introduced a " shall certify bill

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/html/HB01179I.htm

[JM Campbell]

Some good news- a TX legislator just introduced a " shall certify bill

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/html/HB01179I.htm

And pigs are flying.....! I hope this passes asap.

[punkey71]

Some good news- a TX legislator just introduced a " shall certify bill

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/html/HB01179I.htm

While it certainly is good, forming a Trust avoids CLEO involvement entirely and also has some additional benefits not available when going the Individual route.

Just something to consider....


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[TR675]

While it certainly is good, forming a Trust avoids CLEO involvement entirely and also has some additional benefits not available when going the Individual route.

Just something to consider....


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That is, trusts avoid CLEO involvement until BATFE changes the regs to require all "responsible persons" to be fingerprinted and submit CLEO sign offs...which may happen this year...

[punkey71]

That is, trusts avoid CLEO involvement until BATFE changes the regs to require all "responsible persons" to be fingerprinted and submit CLEO sign offs...which may happen this year...

Certainly anything is possible. I agree. It's good, like I said.

If 41P gets authorized who knows how it would be implemented? Would existing Trusts have to get CLEO signatures? I've read every possible scenario and it always ends with "well, they can amend it to say whatever they want, so....."

I really like the Trust for the other benefits, mostly regarding the use of items by any Trustee named in the Trust.

I would choose a Trust regardless of 41P going through or not. As a bonus, Trusts don't require you to get a CLEO signature (currently). That's all I was saying.

Best
Harold



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[LittleLebowski]

Form 1 SBR submitted last night.....guessing 40 days.

[punkey71]

I'm at 34 days (and counting) on a Form 1 E File.

My 22 can from Silencer Shop was purchased 12/26. Form 3 (Trust) approved 2/15 and it has been sent to the FFL in Fredericksburg - 51 days.

Hopefully Form 4 (Trust) gets approved in May.

Per Silencer Shop times are actually getting better on paper Trust 4s. They've had some Trust 4s get approved in 65 days!


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[JM Campbell]

That's great, I'm running up to Austin to see what in stock at Silencer Shop and to check out the Omega. SLG mentioned thunderbeast in another thread, I saw a super small .30 suppressor with qd mount I want to see as well.

http://www.silencershop.com/shop/thunder-beast-30cb5/

[LittleLebowski]

My 22 can from Silencer Shop was purchased 12/26. Form 3 (Trust) approved 2/15 and it has been sent to the FFL in Fredericksburg - 51 days.


DAMN, SON.

[Clusterfrack]

That's great, I'm running up to Austin to see what in stock at Silencer Shop and to check out the Omega. SLG mentioned thunderbeast in another thread, I saw a super small .30 suppressor with qd mount I want to see as well.

http://www.silencershop.com/shop/thunder-beast-30cb5/

I'm very satisfied with my Thunderbeast 30P-1, other than that they just came out with the Ultra 9 that weighs only 2/3 as much :-(

[punkey71]

DAMN, SON.

Yep. I'm pretty happy so far. Perhaps 4 months from manufacturer to FFL to me.

It's a far cry from my Form 1 and Form 4 (both paper Trusts) last year.

Both were submitted in February 2014. Form 1 SBR was approved in September and 5.56 suppressor was approved in late December!

I guess a 9mm can is next..... :-)


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[Odin Bravo One]

Picked up one, dropped paper on another..........dropping a few stacks of paper on others still.......... such is the burden of not being on suppressor welfare.

[LittleLebowski]

Picked up one, dropped paper on another..........dropping a few stacks of paper on others still.......... such is the burden of not being on suppressor welfare.

I can't wait to hear about these purchases :D

[JSGlock34]

My 22 can from Silencer Shop was purchased 12/26. Form 3 (Trust) approved 2/15 and it has been sent to the FFL in Fredericksburg - 51 days.

Hopefully Form 4 (Trust) gets approved in May.

Must've been in the same batch - my 9mm can from Silencer Shop was purchased 12/31; Form 3 approved 2/15 and it is en route to my FFL. I hope your May timeline proves accurate!

[punkey71]

Must've been in the same batch - my 9mm can from Silencer Shop was purchased 12/31; Form 3 approved 2/15 and it is en route to my FFL. I hope your May timeline proves accurate!

Yes, May would be nice. Fingers crossed. While I love my 5.56 can, I am very excited to get my 5 & 7 y/o's out there with a bolt action American Rimfire and subsonic ammo. I can't wait.

Form 1 approved today, 2/24 - Submitted E File Trust 1/16.

39 days - Not bad.


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[Clusterfrack]

E-file SBR tax stamp approved. 6 weeks.

[TR675]

E-filed form one approved in just over six weeks.

[vaspence]

SDN-6 purchased at Colonial from the Wookie
Trust
I mailed the check on 12-10-14
Cashed 12-18-14
Stamp and can picked up today 3-18-14

[Jackdog]

SDN-6 purchased at Colonial from the Wookie
Trust
I mailed the check on 12-10-14
Cashed 12-18-14
Stamp and can picked up today 3-18-14

That's great news! I purchased a Gemtech GMT-300 1/20. The check was cashed 1/28. So, I got about 5 more weeks or so if I'm to be in the same time frame as you.

[dookie1481]

Finally got my Spectre II from Silencerco after 5 months.

Waiting on my $450 Surefire SOCOM556-RC :D

[punkey71]

Finally got my Spectre II from Silencerco after 5 months.

Waiting on my $450 Surefire SOCOM556-RC :D

5 months total for Forms 3 & 4?


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[LittleLebowski]

32 days and counting for my Form 1 SBR.

[dookie1481]

5 months total for Forms 3 & 4?


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No, although that's about what I having been seeing lately. ~2 month Form 3 and ~3 month Form 4.

I was talking about an order I placed with Silencerco 5 months ago that they just charged me for. I though my order got lost or something.

[ReverendMeat]

No, although that's about what I having been seeing lately. ~2 month Form 3 and ~3 month Form 4.

I was talking about an order I placed with Silencerco 5 months ago that they just charged me for. I though my order got lost or something.

Ha, I placed an order with them back in summer of 2013 and I didn't hear anything from them until four months ago.

[dookie1481]

Ha, I placed an order with them back in summer of 2013 and I didn't hear anything from them until four months ago.

Through 3point5? Or did you order something direct?

[punkey71]

No, although that's about what I having been seeing lately. ~2 month Form 3 and ~3 month Form 4.

I was talking about an order I placed with Silencerco 5 months ago that they just charged me for. I though my order got lost or something.

What was the issue? Did they tell you?

My Spectre II purchased 12/26 was billed right away and cleared a Form 3 by 2/15. Waiting on the F4 now.


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[LittleLebowski]

What was the issue? Did they tell you?

My Spectre II purchased 12/26 was billed right away and cleared a Form 3 by 2/15. Waiting on the F4 now.


Sounds like he bought through Silencerco?

[punkey71]

Sounds like he bought through Silencerco?

Ahh. Reading comprehension failure on my end.

I thought he purchased it from SilencerSHOP, not direct from SilencerCO.

My error.

[LittleLebowski]

Ahh. Reading comprehension failure on my end.

I thought he purchased it from SilencerSHOP, not direct from SilencerCO.

My error.

Well, I'm not sure but it sounds like he got the cool guy discount. PM me if you want to weep bitter tears.

[ReverendMeat]

Through 3point5? Or did you order something direct?

Direct. At the time they weren't on 3point5. Their current 3point5 deal is pretty good (%50 off MSRP) but their earlier deal was even better (%50 off dealer cost), and in my case they didn't take my money until my cans were ready to go. It does seem like they've had some changes since summer 2013.

[dookie1481]

Well, I'm not sure but it sounds like he got the cool guy discount. PM me if you want to weep bitter tears.

Gun counter paperwork drone discount, but yeah. Some companies offer great deals.

[Odin Bravo One]

Well, I'm not sure but it sounds like he got the cool guy discount. PM me if you want to weep bitter tears.

Nope..............tears of joy. ;)

[LittleLebowski]

Nope..............tears of joy. ;)

:D

Can't wait to hear about it elsewhere.

[dookie1481]

Absurdly fun to shoot.

http://i.imgur.com/htG9v7ol.jpg (http://imgur.com/htG9v7o)

[punkey71]

Absurdly fun to shoot.

http://i.imgur.com/htG9v7ol.jpg (http://imgur.com/htG9v7o)
Spectre II?

Anxiously awaiting mine - should be 2 months still.

Takedown 10/22, Ruger American Rimfire and S&W M&P 22 compact will be the hosts.

Its going to be great summer teaching the 7 & 5 year olds.

[LittleLebowski]

My Spectre II was Form 4'd on January 30th..... The M&P 15/22's barrel is looking too long and needing to be chopped, methinks.

[punkey71]

My Spectre II was Form 4'd on January 30th..... The M&P 15/22's barrel is looking too long and needing to be chopped, methinks.
Right behind you. F4 February 15th.

[JM Campbell]

20th for an omega....

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[dookie1481]

Spectre II?

Anxiously awaiting mine - should be 2 months still.

Takedown 10/22, Ruger American Rimfire and S&W M&P 22 compact will be the hosts.

Its going to be great summer teaching the 7 & 5 year olds.

Yes sir. Grabbed a Tac Sol X-Ring as a rifle host. Tons of fun for the whole family.

[punkey71]

Yes sir. Grabbed a Tac Sol X-Ring as a rifle host. Tons of fun for the whole family.

That's what it's all about!

Enjoy,
Harold


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[LittleLebowski]

Looking at a 22/45 Lite as a host for kids/wife.

[punkey71]

That's on my list as well. Looks fantastic. I love the top rail possibilities. A MRDS on a suppressed 22 pistol will be great, IMO.

I only stared with the M&P because it's a bit lighter than even the 22/45 Lite (15ozs VS 23ozs).

I wonder if L&M can mill a M&P 22 compact for a MRDS? Hmmm.

Or perhaps just a drill & tap for a small rail?

I believe I have some emails to send....

Getting way OT though, sorry.




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[JM Campbell]

That's on my list as well. Looks fantastic. I love the top rail possibilities. A MRDS on a suppressed 22 pistol will be great, IMO.

I only stared with the M&P because it's a bit lighter than even the 22/45 Lite (15ozs VS 23ozs).

I wonder if L&M can mill a M&P 22 compact for a MRDS? Hmmm.

Or perhaps just a drill & tap for a small rail?

I believe I have some emails to send....

Getting way OT though, sorry.




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Why not use the dovetail mount from trijicon?

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[LittleLebowski]

SBR Form 1 (efile trust) - 2/18
Approved - 4/29
Email received.

[ReverendMeat]

I'm currently waiting on a Form 3 to dealer but I'm looking to move out of state in a couple months. If I submit my Form 4 and move before I get my stamp is there a simple change of address form to fill out as with my other suppressors or would I have to have it Form 3'd to a dealer in my new state and start my Form 4 all over again? My googling didn't lead me to anything pertinent.

[nalesq]

Form 1 (SBR) e-filed on 2/17/15, approval emailed 5/1/15. (73 days.)

[Jackdog]

Form 4 filed 1/19/15. Check cashed 1/28/15. Approved 4/21/15.

[LittleLebowski]

I'm currently waiting on a Form 3 to dealer but I'm looking to move out of state in a couple months. If I submit my Form 4 and move before I get my stamp is there a simple change of address form to fill out as with my other suppressors or would I have to have it Form 3'd to a dealer in my new state and start my Form 4 all over again? My googling didn't lead me to anything pertinent.

Can you not pick it up at the old dealer?

[punkey71]

I've had the M4SD II 5.56 can for a few months.

.22 Spectre II should be approved in a few weeks. - kids (and I) are going to absolutely love it. 1 pistol and 2 rifle hosts are ready.

Ordered a Revolution 9 from a local dealer last week. I guess I have 3 months to get the G19 slide milled and a threaded barrel.

I keep trying to invent rational reasons for the 9mm pistol can and I can't do it. I've accepted the fact that it's simply going be fun and I just want it. :-)

This IS addicting.

[ReverendMeat]

Can you not pick it up at the old dealer?

I'm not sure. I think I'd need to be a resident of the state where I'd pick it up, as with a handgun.

[Josh Runkle]

I'm not sure. I think I'd need to be a resident of the state where I'd pick it up, as with a handgun.

I believe you are correct, but it could be more complicated...it might depend on the specific item.

[LittleLebowski]

Silencerco Spectre II Form 4
Purchased 01/30/15
Pending 02/09/15
Problem status 05/15/15 (wrong trust name used, fixed within 24 hours by dealer)
Stamp and can in hand 05/30/15

[voodoo_man]

1/21 sent in
5/2 approval
5/20 in hand - dealer never called

Gemtecg g5t.

[ReverendMeat]

SWR Specwar 762, Individual Form 4
Forms sent 12/9
Pending 12/22
Approved 5/8 (would have been approved in April but there was a problem with the form and it was kicked back)

[LittleLebowski]

SWR Specwar 762, Individual Form 4
Forms sent 12/9
Pending 12/22
Approved 5/8 (would have been approved in April but there was a problem with the form and it was kicked back)

Good purchase, the SpecWar still consistently meters better than nearly all others.

[ReverendMeat]

It definitely seems to but it's damn heavy

[LittleLebowski]

It definitely seems to but it's damn heavy

Time for an Omega then? :D

[Kyle Reese]

Eyeballing an offering from Dead Air.

[LittleLebowski]

Eyeballing an offering from Dead Air.

The one that you can change lengths on or is that Rugged?

[Kyle Reese]

Sandman-S

[LittleLebowski]

Sandman-S

Take a look at this (http://ruggedsuppressors.com/surge762/).

[LittleLebowski]

Take a look at this (http://ruggedsuppressors.com/surge762/).


The main benefit of choosing a modular suppressor is the ability to quickly adapt the suppressor to what you need without having to carry around multiple cans with you to the range, etc. You also don't have to make an often times difficult choice between a long and short suppressor. Not to mention having to purchase two cans, pay two stamps, fill out two Form 4's and then impatiently wait twice.

Modular suppressors' usefulness should be pretty apparent. Everyone likes flexibility and choices. Modular cans do just that. Sure, there are some who will find a configuration they like and stick with it only changing once or twice a year for a special circumstance but wouldn’t you want the ability to change it around if you needed to?

Since you guys brought up the Surge, let me talk about it for a moment. It ships in a 9" configuration and can be configured to a 7.5" with the removal of the Adapt module and re-installation of the end cap on the main suppressor body. This action takes a few seconds and once hand tight you can get back to shooting. The Adapt module does not require any thread-lock compound during installation.

We chose 9" and 7.5" configurations based on the most popular 7.62 cans in the industry.

Sound reduction is very comparable to competitor's products in the same lengths. Durability is something we take very seriously - we designed the Surge taking this into account by making the mount and expansion chamber out of a single piece of 17-4 stainless and utilizing a full Stellite baffle stack. We test every can that leaves our facilities for function as well as accuracy. If a can doesn’t meet our standards, we don’t ship it out. We're so confident in the Surge, and all of our products, that we back them with a full lifetime warranty. If anything happens to it, send it back and we'll repair or replace it for free.

----
Chris Brady
Rugged Suppressors

[ReverendMeat]

Time for an Omega then? :D

ha, if I opened my wallet right now moths would fly out. I got a killer deal on the specwar but at the time (2013) it was between that and the Saker. If the omega had been an option then I probably would've taken it.

[JM Campbell]

Hoping to get the come and get your Omega email from Silencershop this next week. Very curious how it will work on my Aeroprecision 308 build, 11.5" 556, 9" AAC 300blk, 8" 300blk and 16" 6920.

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[Odin Bravo One]

Had another Form 4 clear a few weeks ago....right before the Epic Course of Win & Bacon, sponsored by PF.com actually.

One more to go, for what is in Purgatory anyway.

[punkey71]

Just got an email yesterday from the local dealer handling my Silencershop Spectre II that it's ready to be picked up.

Purchased 12/26/14
Form 3 approved 2/15/15 and from 4 submitted per SS.

I haven't heard from SilencerShop, FYI. Not that I need to - just kinda surprised the shop called and I didn't get the notification from SS like they said I would.

Basically 6 weeks for the F3 and 4 months for the F4.

I have a pistol can from a local dealer on a F4 since 4/25. Hopefully mid August approval.




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[Odin Bravo One]

NFA Group Therapy at my house is when one NFA item has a meeting with another NFA item.

The two most recent cleared items on their first date.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/SavageHunter/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3jobjhyf.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/SavageHunter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps3jobjhyf.jpg.html)

[punkey71]

Spectre II picked up this AM.

Purchased 12/29/14 from SilencerShop.
Form 3 approved and form 4 submitted ~ 2/15/15.
Approved 6/10.
Notified by local dealer 6/18/15 that it was ready for me.

Only had thunderbolts (1200fps) and CCI quiet (710fps) for ammo today.

Shot it today on a M&P 22 compact. Thunderbolts were quiet but pretty gassy - a quick mag would be pretty irritating for me. CCI quiets were silly quiet but wouldn't cycle, obviously.

On a Ruger American 22 the CCI quiets were ridiculous. Hammer hitting was louder than the shot.

I REALLY need a source for CCI standard velocity. I would run those on all the hosts. They should be less gassy on the pistol and will be subsonic on the American and 10/22 Takedown.

The Kids are gonna love this thing.


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[LittleLebowski]

Do the standard velocity rounds run in the M&P 22C I take it? I wonder if the subs would run in a Ruger 22/45. I've got a Spectre II in hand as well, we should go shoot.

[punkey71]

From what I've seen on the errornet, yes - standards should run in semi autos with and without a suppressor.

Not sure if you remember, but I belong to Fred RodNGun. JMS and I try to get out fairly often. You are welcome anytime.

Going again Thursday, actually.

PM inbound.



Do the standard velocity rounds run in the M&P 22C I take it? I wonder if the subs would run in a Ruger 22/45. I've got a Spectre II in hand as well, we should go shoot.

[Josh Runkle]

Do the standard velocity rounds run in the M&P 22C I take it? I wonder if the subs would run in a Ruger 22/45. I've got a Spectre II in hand as well, we should go shoot.

Standard Velocity CCI is subsonic and functions in both guns.

Ammo marked subsonic functions in both unsuppressed, but is less reliable when suppressed.

*I should use the caveat that I clean my .22s every 10-25,000 rds. I don't own an M&P 22c, but a friend does, so my experience is minimal with that. I own a few 22/45s, a sig mosquito, a PPK .22, and a P22, all of which I regularly shoot suppressed with a variety of .22 suppressors. My advice is generically true for all of them. I ended up testing about 50 types of ammo, and I have found CCI standard velocity to be the best in all my suppressed .22s.

[punkey71]

Awesome info Josh.

I'd like to stash just CCI standard from now on.

From reports that I've read it seems quite accurate in rifles for a non-match ammo. Stays subsonic as well.

Should be less gassy in pistols.

Seems like THE ammo for all my 22s.

Thanks for your info.

Harold

[ReverendMeat]

CCI Standards are my go-to. They've cycled in everything I've put them through and stay subsonic through my M&P15-22/Spectre II.

Also finally took my Specwar 762 out yesterday. Host is a 16" mid BCM upper (5.56) w/ VLTOR A5 lower. Heavy as hell, wouldn't want to do a class with that setup, but quiet and I didn't notice any gas in the face, nor any cycling issues.

[JM Campbell]

I'm bummed on my omega, appears quite a few form 4s and mine in a package that was lost or destroyed by the carrier. Was resubmitted and check cleared 4/10. Looks like another 2 months before I see it.

Heading out to my local range/dealer if another one is in the showcase I might be in trouble.

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[HCM]

FYi - ATF warning regarding an NFA item deposit scam using altered Form 4's:

https://www.atf.gov/file/86686/download

[HCM]

Just purchased a Silencerco Omega via their SPEQ program. https://silencerco.com/speq/

The wait begins...

[ffhounddog]

Come on....Come on....So long....waiting on my HVT and Form Unos. Cone On.....

[PT Doc]

Saker 7.62 purchased 12/28 from Silencer Shop. Busted out of jail on 7/25.

[LittleLebowski]

Saker 7.62 purchased 12/28 from Silencer Shop. Busted out of jail on 7/25.

Nice! Mine went Pending in May. I should have it by hunting season......

[PT Doc]

Nice! Mine went Pending in May. I should have it by hunting season......

Yeah, but the San Tan lower it will go with, only took 36 days.

[LittleLebowski]

Yeah, but the San Tan lower it will go with, only took 36 days.

Form 1 earlier this year or last year?

[PT Doc]

Form 1 earlier this year or last year?

12/29/14

[LittleLebowski]

12/29/14

Yeah, times are closing in on 90 days for Form 1s now :(

[PT Doc]

Yeah, times are closing in on 90 days for Form 1s now :(
At this rate, it'll be an SBR with a can behind every blade of grass.

[Dagga Boy]

Just bought two LMT factory SBR lowers......the wait begins. This is my first NFA purchase. Hopefully Christmas will be good this year.

[voodoo_man]

Just bought two LMT factory SBR lowers......the wait begins. This is my first NFA purchase. Hopefully Christmas will be good this year.

From where and are they completely built? They wouldn't sell me a stripped one...

[Sensei]

For a while LMT refused to sell factory registered lowers to non-agency customers. I bought mine from Rainier and sent in the Form 1 myself. Every now and then I hear of someone who somehow gets one from LMT. I just assumed that they were someone who knew someone since their answer to me has always started along the lines of, "Silly rabbit..."

[Crusader8207]

I just submitted 2 form 1's. One for an SBS (10" 870) and one for and SBR (8.5" 300BLK). Stamps should be here early November.

[Odin Bravo One]

Getting ready to drop two more Form 1's for his/hers SBS's on NEF single shot's..............12/20 respectively. Hardest part will not be waiting for shit to clear, but finding the right leather guy or girl who can rig up a couple of scabbards that will be able to be attached to the saddle bags of my bike............

[JM Campbell]

Just got word my tax stamp is in. Looks like a Cannon Ball Run to Austin is on the books for Saturday morning. Going to be busy reloading all week to test out the Omega.

[Sigfan26]

I work for a class 3 dealer. Just had 2 tax stamps on 2 Suppressors , for the same person, come back in 5 weeks! Paperwork was filed as an individual.

[voodoo_man]

I work for a class 3 dealer. Just had 2 tax stamps on 2 Suppressors , for the same person, come back in 5 weeks! Paperwork was filed as an individual.

5 weeks?

I'm going on month 5 for a GM9.

[Sigfan26]

I wouldn't believe it if I wasn't there for it

[ffhounddog]

The wait begins on a Silencerco SpecWar K 5.56

Its hard to move away from Gemtech but the LE program with Silencerco is too nice and I only have my Gemtech HVT on my trust. My wife wants suppressors now. She is on board until she saw how much some cans cost. Silencerco might be the only "trust" option.

Debating on a Omega but His and Hers SpecWar Ks would be good.

Going to get a Warlock soon for the twins (9 weeks).

Might go back to Gemtech for a 9mm can too but the Osprey 45K has me thinkng as well.

Is it odd? Im selling guns to fund NFA stuff.

[LittleLebowski]

My Saker 556, Saker 762, and Warlock II were approved September 5th! Already texted Hanson Brothers and told them to camp outside their mailbox for when those stamps arrive. Could be a week, could be a month.

[LittleLebowski]

Just got word my tax stamp is in. Looks like a Cannon Ball Run to Austin is on the books for Saturday morning. Going to be busy reloading all week to test out the Omega.

I see no review thread :(

[JM Campbell]

Noted, putting thoughts together.
Quick talley:
200rds IMI 308
400rds 125gr 300blk handloads supersonic
200rds 55gr 556 handloads
150 mk262 clone handloads

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[voodoo_man]

My Saker 556, Saker 762, and Warlock II were approved September 5th! Already texted Hanson Brothers and told them to camp outside their mailbox for when those stamps arrive. Could be a week, could be a month.

Wtf, when did you put those in?

[ffhounddog]

Thanks Lebowski for rubbing it in.

Also for making me look at the SilencerCo with the SPEQ program Most of my Suppressors are going to be SilencerCo.

Waiting on my SpecWar K and putting in an order for the Omega Tomorrow.

Now I need a .22 pistol. Maybe a PPQ .22 or a M&P22.

[punkey71]

Thanks Lebowski for rubbing it in.

Also for making me look at the SilencerCo with the SPEQ program Most of my Suppressors are going to be SilencerCo.

Waiting on my SpecWar K and putting in an order for the Omega Tomorrow.

Now I need a .22 pistol. Maybe a PPQ .22 or a M&P22.

I have no experience with the PPQ but my M&P22 compact ran every ammo I fed it - suppressed and unsuppressed.

That being said, I recently sold it to my FIL and grabbed a 22/45 Lite because I wanted a gun ready for a dot. It is just as reliable as the M&P and is ridiculously fun suppressed with a PA dot on it. The Volqaurtsen trigger is very impressive as well.

The M&P was great but I'm glad I grabbed the Ruger.


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[ffhounddog]

I will have to take a look at one. Online it looks great. I like the red one. http://www.ruger.com/products/2245DE/specSheets/3910_order.html

[punkey71]

That red is nice. Might need a second...

I went with the blue. Honestly, I didn't even know the red existed when I ordered the blue.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/f0ce05fb066a3519c6cd5fa0e8f4b36c.jpg

[LittleLebowski]

That red is nice. Might need a second...

I went with the blue. Honestly, I didn't even know the red existed when I ordered the blue.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/09/f0ce05fb066a3519c6cd5fa0e8f4b36c.jpg

You are a man of uncommon taste and refinement.

[punkey71]

You are a man of uncommon taste and refinement.

Uncommon sense, I've been told. But thanks!

Need to hang your Warlock off it and see what the actual on-the-gun weight difference feels like. I think a soda blaster and Warlock for dedicated pistol use are my next purchases if the difference is as significant as I expect it to be.

Once Hansohn calls me to pick up my Rev9 and you for your multiple cans, a suppressor day in Fred is called for so we can all test drive what's out there.

Any interested parties speak up....

I will have a Spectre II, Griffin M4SDII and Revolution 9.




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[LittleLebowski]

Once Hansohn calls me to pick up my Rev9 and you for your multiple cans, a suppressor day in Fred is called for so we can all test drive what's out there.

Any interested parties speak up....

I will have a Spectre II, Griffin M4SDII and Revolution 9.


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[Odin Bravo One]

Just dropped a few more nickels on a couple of Bowers Group cans.

Needed a .45 caliber large bore suppressor for use on the wife's .45-70, and of course, needed something to quiet down the old .458 SOCOM.

Since we were at it, figured another .22LR can wouldn't hurt..............

Still waiting on a GemTech 9mm to clear, and a couple of shotgun suppressors, and a couple of SBS's........... Yawn........... oh well. At least I have the other 8 suppressors, MG's, and SBR's/SBS to keep me happy as I wait.

[ffhounddog]

Sean is that a GM-9? Was talking with Chris from Hanshon about it and it has me wanting it especially when I get the Beretta cx4 storm threaded.

[LittleLebowski]

Just dropped a few more nickels on a couple of Bowers Group cans.

Needed a .45 caliber large bore suppressor for use on the wife's .45-70, and of course, needed something to quiet down the old .458 SOCOM.

Since we were at it, figured another .22LR can wouldn't hurt..............

Still waiting on a GemTech 9mm to clear, and a couple of shotgun suppressors, and a couple of SBS's........... Yawn........... oh well. At least I have the other 8 suppressors, MG's, and SBR's/SBS to keep me happy as I wait.

http://meganwashington.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/inspiration9.gif

[Hansohn Brothers]

Sean is that a GM-9? Was talking with Chris from Hanshon about it and it has me wanting it especially when I get the Beretta cx4 storm threaded.

I may either make your day easy or hard: Gemtech ONE is in stock now.

[Odin Bravo One]

The GemTech I am waiting on to clear is the 9mm Multi-Mount. It is going to be dedicated to a 9mm AR, DDLES lower machined to run on G17 mags.

[ffhounddog]

Well Omega is cheaper and might be better.

With the SpecWarK on the way I am okay with going to other mounts for a better can.

[LittleLebowski]

My Saker 556, Saker 762, and Warlock II were approved September 5th! Already texted Hanson Brothers and told them to camp outside their mailbox for when those stamps arrive. Could be a week, could be a month.

Form 4s are HERE. Picking up at Hansohn Brothers shop tomorrow morning. Please don't ask if I intend to shoot these on the way home.... :D

[voodoo_man]

Form 4s are HERE. Picking up at Hansohn Brothers shop tomorrow morning. Please don't ask if I intend to shoot these on the way home.... :D

You suck and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

Also, finger banged a dead air 762 today...local shop has it for 850ish...don't know if want.

[ffhounddog]

Not like we could hear you.....

[punkey71]

Form 4s are HERE. Picking up at Hansohn Brothers shop tomorrow morning. Please don't ask if I intend to shoot these on the way home.... :D

What was your purchase/mailed date?


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[Odin Bravo One]

Well Omega is cheaper and might be better.

With the SpecWarK on the way I am okay with going to other mounts for a better can.

The word "better" in the suppressor world is about as subjective a word there is......

Best suppressor is the one that has the features you want at a price you can live with. GemTech has the best prices for me than any other company, and for what I pay for them the features are good enough, so I have a lot of of GemTech stuff.

[LittleLebowski]

What was your purchase/mailed date?


Pending May 8th, Approved Sept 5th (last weekend!).

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/11987158_473047202873508_1027813838395589567_n.jpg ?oh=821c0476399d2a26c94cf2210e264fcb&oe=5671BB3E

I'm game if you want to shoot outside in F-burg after you pick up this morning.

[LittleLebowski]

I was eyeing Hansohn Brothers' Dead Air Mask 22 pretty hard last night. I'm convinced that I need another rimfire suppressor.

http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_66&product_id=295

[voodoo_man]

efile form1 sbr 9/12/15

[ffhounddog]

I am debating on another form 1 to make it Three SBR's since I have 3 less than 16 inch uppers around.

[Matt O]

efile form 1: 10/11/15

[voodoo_man]

What's the eform 1 length now a days?

[punkey71]

What's the eform 1 length now a days?

Looks like about 4.5 months now and it's been slowly increasing over the last year.

http://www.nfatracker.com



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[ffhounddog]

Bastards, better form1 two more lowers.

Thinking about doing a SBR 9mm AR too for giggles and kittens.

[voodoo_man]

Looks like about 4.5 months now and it's been slowly increasing over the last year.

http://www.nfatracker.com



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Wtf? I had one come back in 44 days last year.

[punkey71]

edit FAIL

See below

[punkey71]

Yep.

My last one in January was about 25 days and that was typical then.

We've seen a slow increase since late last year.

ETA - tried to edit and just show E File F1s but apparently I can't make it work. Once you open the link click the filters on upper left for an easier to read trending chart

http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx




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[SteveB]

Form 1 for SBR lower approved yesterday; took 4 months.

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Just e-filed two Form 1s to SBR my lowers (AXTS AX556es); figured I might as well get it done before a decision is (possibly) made on 41P come January. Probably won't actually build them up for awhile, though.

[voodoo_man]

Form 1 for SBR lower approved yesterday; took 4 months.

*fingers crossed*

Hopefully my sbr gets approved

[3-7-77]

Form 1 SBS via eFile, filed on 08/25 and received today (12/30).

[ffhounddog]

Efiled a Form 1 last night for an SBR and today heading to the post office for a Form 4 on a 9mm SBR. Trying to figure out if I should have 3 or 4 SBRd lowers since well it cost money that can be used to buy more ammo.

[LittleLebowski]

Wtf? I had one come back in 44 days last year.

The Barackolypse (41P).

[LittleLebowski]

Yeah, this just happened.

http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_69&product_id=294

[JM Campbell]

Sbr submitted 1/4/16

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[HCM]

Sbr submitted 1/4/16

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Mismo conmigo.

[Sensei]

Here are a few data points:

1) Paper Form 1 Trust
Check cashed 7/29
Approved 12/4
Received 12/17

2) Eform 1 Trust
Submitted: 9/2
Approved: 1/4
Here she is:5402
There is a Surefire Mini inbound from TNVC along with dual pressure switch.

3) Eform 1 Trust
Submitted: 9/4
Approved: 1/8

Next up should be an Octane 45 that was accepted on 8/10 - any day now.

[ravensfan87]

I have a question. I did a trust and I just received the notice that they cashed my check on 01/08/2016. Its for a SS ryder 9ti can. Any idea roughly how long it will take? I was thinking hopefully April sometime.

[LittleLebowski]

I have a question. I did a trust and I just received the notice that they cashed my check on 01/08/2016. Its for a SS ryder 9ti can. Any idea roughly how long it will take? I was thinking hopefully April sometime.

About 4 months.

[ravensfan87]

About 4 months.

Thanks! I have been looking at other cans now that I might want. to pass the time lol

[LittleLebowski]

Thanks! I have been looking at other cans now that I might want. to pass the time lol

Start a thread, let us help :D

[Hansohn Brothers]

Probably closer to 5-6 months now.

[Sensei]

Octane 45K Form 4 was accepted on 8/10/15 and stamp received on 1/12/16. I can't make it down to THSF to pick it up for 3 weeks - makes me want to kick a baby.

[ffhounddog]

At least you did not have a vendor loose the form 4 then magacially find it two monrhs later. Glad I switched to hanshon, also better prices.

[vaspence]

Octane 45K Form 4 was accepted on 8/10/15 and stamp received on 1/12/16. I can't make it down to THSF to pick it up for 3 weeks - makes me want to kick a baby.

We were close. My Form 4 check cashed 8/11/15, received the stamp 1/2/16. Anything under 6 months for a Form 4 submitted after 12/31/15 would make me a happy camper.

[StraitR]

Probably closer to 5-6 months now.

I submitted my first Form 4 (Trust) in September (pending on 18th) and I've been watching the approval trends like a hawk on NFA Tracker, Arfcom, and M4C. When I submitted, four months (120 days) was the average, almost to the day. Starting in December, the 120 day average started creeping up and right now some are reporting their approvals around the 150 day mark. Some are still reporting 120 days, but there are a lot of August submissions still outstanding, which puts some of them into their 5th month (150 days).

Given the massive amount of submissions when the AG signed 41P/F on January 4th, I can't imagine the wait times staying the same for anything submitted recently. My guess is six months from pending, minimum. Obviously, it's just a guess based on what I'm reading at the above mentioned websites. I don't expect my Sept 19th pending form until at least Feb 16th, which is 150 days. I submitted another Form 4 Trust, pending Oct 23rd, and I'm thinking I'll see that sometime in April.

A quick look at the trend graph on NFA Tracker (http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx) shows the same upward trend. Uncheck the (blue) boxes that don't apply to your submission at the top and hit set filter.

[voodoo_man]

efile form1 sbr 9/12/15

Approved 1/14/16

yessssss

[ravensfan87]

Approved 1/14/16

yessssss

Grats! Make sure to post pictures of it.

[voodoo_man]

Grats! Make sure to post pictures of it.

Nope, no photos. ;)

[SteveB]

This arrived from the ATF today...

Good Afternoon:

You are receiving this email because you are a registered eForms user

ATF eForms Update

The new eForms has been named the “Firearms and Explosives Application Module (FEAM)”. This name was selected to emphasis that FEAM is more than a “fillable form”. It is a business process module which will include at a minimum the functionality listed below:

· Auto assignment – All applications will be immediately upon submission assigned to an examiner for processing.
· Auto approval – Some forms, like the ATF Forms 2 and 3, if they meet certain pre-determined criteria will be automatically approved by the FEAM system upon submission.
· Internal controls and performance measurement reporting – ATF has a full audit trail of every application received with date and time stamps for every step in the process. Digital signatures can be used to lock down portions of the form to ensure the security of the data and the authenticity of the submitter.
· Improved business processes with automatic Records Management & Retention, as mandated by the Office of Management and Budget.
· Electronic Signature (for submitter and ATF personnel) - provides enhanced authentication, validation and improves processing and approval.
· Enhance Industry satisfaction: user-friendly interaction.
· FEAM provides the Application Program Interface (APIs) needed to update the existing ATF back end databases, to allow for the batch submission of multiple forms using one computer session.
· Improves efficiency for the Enforcement Programs and Services staff – Forms can be automatically routed, evaluated and tracked so that final determinations can be made in a consistent and expeditious manner.

We had hoped to be able to present the first iteration of FEAM at the 2016 SHOT Show. ATF performed an assessment of what was contracted to be developed for FEAM and what the contractor planned to deliver. At the end of the assessment, all parties involved felt that the product outlined in the current contract did not fully provide all the functionality that we expected, or that the industry requested. For these reasons we decided that rather than to continue on the current course, we would take the steps listed below to ensure that FEAM is a worthwhile investment for both the industry and ATF:

1. Curtail the current development effort.
2. Determine what is needed to sustain the existing eForms system, until the full requirements for FEAM can be determined and developed.
3. Make the necessary changes to eForms to stabilize the infrastructure with the ever-increasing user population.
4. Determine if we can re-introduce the Form 3 to the current eForms, through load testing and other system validations.
5. Perform an assessment of the ATF and industry requirements for FEAM.
6. Secure required funding for a new FEAM initiative, based on the revised requirements.
7. Restart the FEAM initiative, to include industry participation during the requirements gathering and testing processes.

We look at this as only a minor delay. It is our intention to use this delay to acquire the tools and resources necessary to develop a product that will provide more functionality and a stable workflow process and infrastructure. All the work previously done on FEAM is not lost. It will be the foundation for the work that is yet to come. If you have any questions you can contact Lee Alston-Williams at lee.alston-williams@atf.gov.

[StraitR]

Good info Steve, thanks for sharing.

And since this is the NFA group therapy thread, tomorrow marks 120 days on my Omega submission, so I'm starting to get antsy. :D

[punkey71]

http://blog.silencershop.com/atf-41f-published-today/

Interesting 41F breakdown from SS.

Notably, exemption for prints/pics if you've had an approval in the last 2 years.

Also, it seems you can modify trust at anytime to remove trustees for an approval and simply add them back afterwards after the stamp is received to avoid all the prints/pics. SS was discussing that on their FB page.

Seems as if the final form is significantly different than what we expected.

Still sucks...just less sucky than before.


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[StraitR]

There is a thread in the NFA section on M4C about the email that Steve shared. Apparently, they sent that email out in batches, alphabetically. It looks like the G-H email was sent to a total 1400 recipients, and the recipients were CC'd instead of BCC'd, so everyone knows the other recipient addresses. Meh, privacy is overrated.

LOL, way to go.

[ffhounddog]

There is a thread in the NFA section on M4C about the email that Steve shared. Apparently, they sent that email out in batches, alphabetically. It looks like the G-H email was sent with a total 1400 emails, and the recipients were CC'd instead of BCC'd, so everyone knows the other recipient addresses. Meh, privacy is overrated.

LOL, way to go.

Yeah I got mine and looked and it was BCC since I did not see any email addresses.

I do like how it will go to an examiner. It was funny I sent 2 emails one from a hotmail acct that got no response and another that got a response in 30 mins, from my Fusion Center account. I guess it all depends on who you are. That is why I like knowing that it might be going to examiner 4 that will take 3 months and examiner 8 will take 5 months or what not.

[StraitR]

Just FYI for those in the queue. The first approval I've seen on a paper Form 4 Trust submission in September was just posted over on Arfcom. It went pending on 09/02/15 and was approved 01/15/16. This is good news.

Has anyone else seen any September Form 4 Trust submissions come back?

[punkey71]

Mmmmmm....

http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_66&product_id=406

LL, remember how nice that TBAC-L was? This is 2-3db QUIETER and serviceable.

The above AND a Mask 22 are coming for me.


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[LittleLebowski]

Mmmmmm....

http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_66&product_id=406

LL, remember how nice that TBAC-L was? This is 2-3db QUIETER and serviceable.

The above AND a Mask 22 are coming for me.


Exquisite taste, good sir. If I wasn't buying a house right now....

[punkey71]

Exquisite taste, good sir. If I wasn't buying a house right now....

Yeah. My wallet is crying. A 30SD is on the way as well as those two 22 cans.

To add insult to injury I already told Chris to hide a Sandman S in the back of the safe for me. It just sounded so damn nice. I will probably submit that in April-ish after I've put the money away for it.

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[nalesq]

41F has definitely ruined all of my plans to spend gun money on anything other than ammo and NFA stuff this year.

[ffhounddog]

Instead of the Ghost-M I went with a SiCo Hybrid. It can do everything but rimfire for what I wanted the Ghost for. I wanted the Ghost for my 9mm Rifles. There is just something about using this on everything and just along the way getting the ASR mounts and three lug mounts. Looks like my Gemtech HVT-QM will only be used on 556 rifles with a bilock and my Precision 308 rig.

[StraitR]

Well, I got impatient today and called to check status on my Omega submission. It went into problem status on the 25th. Apparently, since my trust has the word "the" in front of the name, THE needs to be on my form 4. Correction letter sent to dealer.

One thing is for sure, if I didn't put THE on my first form 4, I certainly didn't put it there on the form 4 I submitted a few weeks later for my Sparrow. Fuck me.

[Matt O]

efile form 1: 10/11/15

Two form 1's approved 2/2/16.

[vaspence]

Just FYI for those in the queue. The first approval I've seen on a paper Form 4 Trust submission in September was just posted over on Arfcom. It went pending on 09/02/15 and was approved 01/15/16. This is good news.

Has anyone else seen any September Form 4 Trust submissions come back?

Paper Form 4 Trust. Check cashed 9-11-15, stamp received 1-26-16.

[LittleLebowski]

Yeah, this just happened.

http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_69&product_id=294

Dead Air Sandman Ti (http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_69&product_id=294[/url), Form 4 on 1/29/16.

SIG SRD556Ti (http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/sig-sauer-srd556-5145.html?) Form 4 02/19/16

[punkey71]

Griffin 30SD via Capitol Armory

Purchased 1/10/16 and just got the email from CA that they are shipping it to my local dealer, Hansohn Bros, today 2/22/16.

~43 days for a Form 3...pretty damn good.

Now, the F4 wait. Who knows.......???

[HCM]

Silencerco Omega 30 cal and Sparrow 22:

Form 4 filed 09/02/2015

Form 4 Approved 01/29/2016

Form 4 received at my dealer 02/24/2016

[StraitR]

SilencerCo Omega -
Form 4 Trust
Pending - 18 Sep 15
Problem status - 25 Jan 16
Correction letter received and returned - 15 Feb 16
Approved - 22 Feb 16
Stamp received - 04 Mar 16

SilencerCo Sparrow -
Form 4 Trust
Pending - 23 Oct 15
Approved - 16 Feb 16
Stamp received - 04 Mar 16

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Submitted online 2015-12-17, just got the approval email with .pdf documents. Almost 3 months on the dot.

[Matt O]

Rugged Surge - Form 4 Trust

Submitted - Nov 11 2015
Received at Dealer - March 10 2016

[ffhounddog]

So I have 4 Form 1___556/300BLK/6.8 lowers on SBRed
1 Form 4 9mm SBR in the works.

Debating on doing either another 9mm or 5.56 SBR right now. It is a little frustrating to a point because I now take an SBR or one of my 16 inch factory Rifles when ever I do anything.

[JM Campbell]

1-4-16 form 1
4-11-16 stamp received
Trust

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[ffhounddog]

Just got my January Form 1s today. My Form 4 AR9 SBR has been approved now waiting on the paperwork.

Took my wife off the Trust for a little bit of time. I have a Gemtech GM-45 on Form 3 and it is just incase it does not get to my crack dealer in time. Even afterwards I think I will be fine as long as I get prints done every so often. In fact I already have pictures from my Red and Black Passports that I had to redo earlier this Month.

Griffin Armament Monocore bought from Hanshon Brothers Apr 8th.

[LittleLebowski]

Rugged Obsidian from the forum crack dealer ( "the first taste is free" (http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_79&product_id=405))

[punkey71]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160605/bb60c3df11616de3fc683112230942c7.jpg

How I've felt for the last 6 months leading up to 41P...


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[LittleLebowski]

Dead Air Sandman Ti (http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_69&product_id=294[/url), Form 4 on 1/29/16.

SIG SRD556Ti (http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/5-56mm-rifle/sig-sauer-srd556-5145.html?) Form 4 02/19/16

Dead Air Sandman Ti check cashed February 11th, approved August 1st, still waiting on the stamp to arrive :(

[LOKNLOD]

Dead Air Ghost-M and Mask, Purchased early May, arrived at dealer after Form 3 Monday 8/8... currently navigating post 41F process.
Expected take home: Late 2018 :confused:

[LittleLebowski]

Dead Air Sandman Ti on Form 4 trust
Purchased 1/29/16
Pending 2/11/16
Approved 08/01/16
Stamp arrived, picked up at Hansohns 08/13/16

[punkey71]

Hansohn is holding five F4s for me right now - 2 of which were submitted about the same time as you - Late Jan/early Feb.

My latest - TBAC Takedown 22 - was submitted 2 weeks before the July deadline. I'm guessing spring of 2017 is realistic for that one.


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[LOKNLOD]

At this point I'm just hoping I get my cans before I need them to discreetly hunt for mutated rats to feed my family amongst the rubble of post-apocalyptic Hillmerica.

[Paul D]

Has anybody completed a Form 1 or 4 with the new 41F procedures? My local CLEO is the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and they have no clue about receiving a copy of the Form 1/4 per the new regulations. Then again, I don't have to prove to the ATF that I actually sent a copy to them. Just wondering how's it going for other folks.

[Hansohn Brothers]

Has anybody completed a Form 1 or 4 with the new 41F procedures? My local CLEO is the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office and they have no clue about receiving a copy of the Form 1/4 per the new regulations. Then again, I don't have to prove to the ATF that I actually sent a copy to them. Just wondering how's it going for other folks.We include this letter with the CLEO notifications: ATF Open letter to CLEOs. (https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/060216_atf_letter-_to_cleos.pdf) We also just send everything to the head of the state police.

[vaspence]

We include this letter with the CLEO notifications: ATF Open letter to CLEOs. (https://princelaw.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/060216_atf_letter-_to_cleos.pdf) We also just send everything to the head of the state police.

Are you sending the letter to the State Police in lieu of the local CLEO?

[Hansohn Brothers]

Are you sending the letter to the State Police in lieu of the local CLEO?

Yes unless the customer rather send it to their local, or other ATF approved, CLEO. It's a lot easier for us to send batches to VSP Superintendent instead of trying to keep track of all the county and city CLEO.

[LittleLebowski]

SIG 556 Ti QD
Pending 03/02
Approved 09/25
Stamp ???

[LittleLebowski]

SIG 556 Ti QD
Pending 03/02
Approved 09/25
Stamp ???

SIG 556 Ti QD
Pending 03/02
Approved 09/25
Stamp Arrived 09/30/16

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/IMG_0548_zps7oy8hlcy.jpg (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/baxshep/media/IMG_0548_zps7oy8hlcy.jpg.html)

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[Sigfan26]

SIG 556 Ti QD
Pending 03/02
Approved 09/25
Stamp Arrived 09/30/16

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/IMG_0548_zps7oy8hlcy.jpg (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/baxshep/media/IMG_0548_zps7oy8hlcy.jpg.html)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/IMG_0547_zpskjgirx3i.jpg (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/baxshep/media/IMG_0547_zpskjgirx3i.jpg.html)

You'll have to give a review! I haven't heard much about the Sig Suppressors.


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[Corey]

Well this sucks! I ordered a Saker, an Osprey, and a Sparrow back in October on one of Silencerco's special programs. I got a text message today from my dealer saying they finally arrived. The problem is that I am stuck in Mexico for an unknown amount of time (my company sent me down here on a one way ticket) so I can't start the Form 4's. At least I know they will be waiting for me when I get back.

[LOKNLOD]

Maybe you'll luck out and they'll get removed from the NfA altogether before you're back :cool:

[Corey]

One can always hope.

[LittleLebowski]

Rugged Obsidian from the forum crack dealer ( "the first taste is free" (http://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_79&product_id=405))


Purchased: 07/08/16
Pending: 07/18/16

[punkey71]

Purchased: 07/08/16
Pending: 07/18/16

What's the host(s)?

PCC?


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[LittleLebowski]

What's the host(s)?

PCC?


Someday, just Glocks for now. Panic, pre 41F buy.

[punkey71]

Someday, just Glocks for now. Panic, pre 41F buy.

Understood. I had the same panic.

I grabbed 3 more cans and F1'd another lower last July.


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[punkey71]

Just picked up my last can (I swear) from Hansohn Brothers - TBAC 22 Takedown.

Ray said he's already gotten a POST 41F Individual F4 back.

Mine was a pre 41F Trust. June 16 - May 17.


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[LOKNLOD]

Mine was a pre 41F Trust. June 16 - May 17.



Holy crap. 11 months. Hopefully I'll get some cans before the next presidential administration.

[punkey71]

I'm still waiting on my last PRE 41F SBR lower from June 2016 as well. Should be any day now though. I've got other lowers so there is no real rush but I just want this done with!

[LittleLebowski]

Just picked up my last can (I swear) from Hansohn Brothers - TBAC 22 Takedown.

Ray said he's already gotten a POST 41F Individual F4 back.

Mine was a pre 41F Trust. June 16 - May 17.


Since I have a pre41F trust that went Pending June 18th and as of yesterday, still hasn't been arppoved, we're enemies until it's approved.

[punkey71]

Mine was submitted June 16. No idea the pending date but it was probably a week or so later, I'd guess.

Get all the hate out quick. You should be GTG in a couple weeks!

PS - we need a suppressor day soon. Enough of us NOVA folks have quite a selection that we can try a ton of cans and plot our next submissions.




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[LittleLebowski]

Mine was submitted June 16. No idea the pending date but it was probably a week or so later, I'd guess.

Get all the hate out quick. You should be GTG in a couple weeks!

PS - we need a suppressor day soon. Enough of us NOVA folks have quite a selection that we can try a ton of cans and plot our next submissions.


Sounds good. Once I get my last can...

[fwrun]

Paper Trust Form 4, for an in-stock can at the store I purchased from.

Purchase date: 5/13/16
Send date: 5/28/16 :confused:
Pending: 7/15/16 :mad:
Still Pending as of 5/25/17

1 year, 12 days and counting for a Form 4. I will say, I have learned my lesson as far as submitting the paperwork myself, and not trusting the dealer to send for me. That will not happen again.

[fatdog]

Either there is some latency in the on line system that caused this, or somebody has started to work nights and weekends up there in WV to cover the massive backlog, I just got my approved form 1 (trust, efiled) from July 10th last year. It was dated today on the actual form 1, Sunday June 4th.

I have never seen a piece of NFA paper work with an approval date on the form on a weekend day before.

[punkey71]

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Made my last couple of submissions right before 41F. After a long wait the gangs all here, finally.

Last of my 3 BCM SBR'd lowers approved last week as well - one for me and one for each of the kids.

DONE. DONE. DONE.


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[LittleLebowski]

Be right back, installing DISLIKE button in the forum software. Because petty jealousy.


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Made my last couple of submissions right before 41F. After a long wait the gangs all here, finally.

Last of my 3 BCM SBR'd lowers approved last week as well - one for me and one for each of the kids.

DONE. DONE. DONE.


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[SeriousStudent]

....

Made my last couple of submissions right before 41F. After a long wait the gangs all here, finally.

Last of my 3 BCM SBR'd lowers approved last week as well - one for me and one for each of the kids.

DONE. DONE. DONE.


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You, sir, are a real mensch. My hat is off to you.

[punkey71]

You, sir, are a real mensch. My hat is off to you.

Back at ya' Sir!

I've read how many you're waiting on. Good stuff!

[LittleLebowski]

Rugged Obsidian from Hansohn Bros.
Purchased: 07/08/16
Pending: 07/18/16
Approved: 06/05/17
Stamp received: ?

[coldcase1984]

Mailed Form 1 trust on my old issued 870 couple days before deadline last July.

They billed my account on 20 July 2016.

Called NFA Branch yesterday, the machine quoted wait time as eight months.

Concerned that my stamp was delivered elsewhere, pushed 1 and was told mine has been pending for more than 90 days and "should be getting it in July."

So they've had my money for a tic under 47 weeks now...

ATF should be hiring NFA Branch people instead of field agents.

[LittleLebowski]

Rugged Obsidian from Hansohn Bros.
Purchased: 07/08/16
Pending: 07/18/16
Approved: 06/05/17
Stamp received: 06/16/17

[punkey71]

Rugged Obsidian from Hansohn Bros.
Purchased: 07/08/16
Pending: 07/18/16
Approved: 06/05/17
Stamp received: 06/16/17

Hansohn Bros and I ran his demo Obsidian on my MPX the other day.

Very nice.

If you want to run yours on my 8" MPX just holler.


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[LittleLebowski]

Hansohn Bros and I ran his demo Obsidian on my MPX the other day.

Very nice.

If you want to run yours on my 8" MPX just holler.


CZ Evo pistol en route :cool:

[punkey71]

CZ Evo pistol en route :cool:

Sweet!

Let me know when you get it.

Head-to-head comparison with every can Hansohn has for them will be a must!

For science, of course.


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[Kyle Reese]

CZ Evo pistol en route :cool:
Can I give it a whirl?

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[coldcase1984]

Son called me to say my Form 1 stamp arrived today. Makes me happy.

The fact they actually got the damn $200 out of my account exactly one year ago, makes me ill as a hornet!

[MistWolf]

I want my
I want my
I want my SBR

[HRoark]

Theyre definitely catching up.

Individual form 4 check cashed 11/7
approved 8/15,

Individual form 1 check cashed 12/20
approved 8/24

Month and a half between submissions and 9 days between approvals. That's a positive sign.

[Hansohn Brothers]

Individual form 1/4 submissions are quicker than trust/LLC form 1/4.

[SamueL]

19844

[Mike C]

19844

SamuelL, can you please tell me about the sights installed on your shotgun? They look awesome.

[SamueL]

SamuelL, can you please tell me about the sights installed on your shotgun? They look awesome.

I replaced the Remington factory rifle sights with Trijicon Bright and Tough night sights specifically for 14" SBS barrels. Trijicon's part no. is RE05 (https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3c.php?pid=RE05).

I really like them. The sight picture is just like handgun sights and I think work very well for my needs with the shotgun.

[MistWolf]

Form 4 suppressor on a Trust- Submitted SEP2016, cleared JUL2017, received stamp a few days later.
Form 4 SBR on a Trust- Submitted SEP2016, cleared OCT2017, received stamp today.

Go figure...

[Default.mp3]

FML. Requesting a certified copy of my Form 4s takes 15 to 30 days, and must be done in writing. Despite ATF losing my approved Form 4s to begin with. This is aggravating, as these were filed over a year ago at this juncture.

[Kyle Reese]

Ordered a SiCo Saker 556 ASR this morning from the fine folks at Hansohn Brothers. It'll be going on my SR15E3.

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[LittleLebowski]

SilencerCo Omega 9K from Hansohn (https://hansohnbrothers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_79&product_id=404)

This gun will live on my Scorpion. I felt like such a #PoorFag (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=PoorFag) swapping my lone pistol can between Glocks and my Scorpion Evo.

A little birdie told me to ask Hansohn for PF pricing and the birdie was right ;)

[rcbusmc24]

Filed for a Dead Air Sandman S and to register my LMT MRP as a SBR on Jan 30 2018.
Both stamps came back approved on June 26 2018..... So a little under 5 months...
Both filed as a Individual.