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HCM
01-15-2015, 02:25 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_eVvdGnKk

The Zhukov looks pretty slick and adding the AK to the mix will help the popularity of MLOK.

PS- hard to see clearly on my phone but is that a picture of Putin shirtless on a bear ?

Drang
01-15-2015, 02:27 PM
PS- hard to see clearly on my phone but is that a picture of Putin shirtless on a bear ?
Yes

Suvorov
01-15-2015, 03:50 PM
Funny Stuff! Look pretty well thought out as well. It would be interesting to see if there was indeed any collaboration from Russia on it and be really interesting if parts started showing up on foreign weapons.

Peally
01-15-2015, 04:03 PM
Man Magpul is really on a roll right now with new products. First the 60 round drum mag, then the Glock mags, now this. It looks good on the AK, which is good since I think their 870 offerings are hideous :D

Up1911Fan
01-15-2015, 04:43 PM
Man Magpul is really on a roll right now with new products. First the 60 round drum mag, then the Glock mags, now this. It looks good on the AK, which is good since I think their 870 offerings are hideous :D

Don't forget about the R700 chasis.

Jay Cunningham
01-22-2015, 10:23 AM
Anyone get a chance to see this stuff up close?

jetfire
01-22-2015, 11:00 AM
Anyone get a chance to see this stuff up close?

I'll check it out today. I'm a secret AK queer, but I never use them because the furniture is always ass and aftermarket stuff is usually worse.

Jay Cunningham
01-22-2015, 11:05 AM
Cool! I'm interested mainly in the extended length handguard.

jetfire
01-22-2015, 03:29 PM
Cool! I'm interested mainly in the extended length handguard.

That one they had on display paired with an ultimak rail. Looks good, felt solid. I don't know AK well, but it definitely seemed like an upgrade.

Jay Cunningham
01-22-2015, 03:43 PM
Pairing it with the UltiMAK is the smart move.

Doug
01-22-2015, 08:51 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10862503_911455762200107_9000197570209469531_o.jpg

Jay Cunningham
01-22-2015, 09:14 PM
I can't wait to check out that long front handguard - that looks perfect.

Doug
01-22-2015, 09:17 PM
It's the solution I have always wanted. A polymer handguard that extends fully, has attachment points & that works with the ultimak.

45dotACP
01-22-2015, 09:19 PM
Is there anything to be said about the news/rumor that Kalashnikov is opening up a US factory?

Jay Cunningham
01-22-2015, 09:21 PM
It's the solution I have always wanted. A polymer handguard that extends fully, has attachment points & that works with the ultimak.

Yep. I've got a suppressed 12.5" 5.56 AK that I can't wait to slap this on.

Timbonez
01-22-2015, 09:22 PM
Is there anything to be said about the news/rumor that Kalashnikov is opening up a US factory?

I heard the same thing. Don't have a link though.

Jay Cunningham
01-22-2015, 09:30 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Xx04Mm6l.jpg


I wonder how it will play with my arrangement?

theJanitor
01-23-2015, 09:51 AM
Is there anything to be said about the news/rumor that Kalashnikov is opening up a US factory?


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-russian-guns-are-coming-ak-47s-could-soon-be-american-made-2015-01-22

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/20/news/kalashnikov-made-in-usa/

HCM
01-23-2015, 12:36 PM
Is there anything to be said about the news/rumor that Kalashnikov is opening up a US factory?

There may be some complications:

http://weaponsman.com/?p=20414

Byron
01-23-2015, 03:53 PM
There may be some complications:

http://weaponsman.com/?p=20414

I don't get these statements:

Russian guns stay in Russia. Russian tooling stays in Russia. Russian ideas and concepts stay in Russia. So the only possibility is for them to be reverse-engineered here, unless RWC got hold of that information antes de the sanctions declaration.

In the long term, they might build a better and more sustainable business by taking care to make premium AKs with processes as near to the Russian firm as they can reasonably replicate

Forgive me if I'm believing too much lore, but I thought one of the reasons for the AK's global ubiquity is how easy the things are to make. While I understand that some are made a lot better than others, I don't understand why anyone in the US would have to reverse-engineer anything... or why there is any limit as to how well the US can "reasonably replicate" the Russian methods of manufacturing.

Doesn't every country with hand tools know how to make an AK? With more than 60 years of history, what is there to reverse-engineer?

Signed,
An AK ignoramus

Jay Cunningham
01-23-2015, 04:07 PM
There are millions of shitty AKs that have been built in the USA. An AK requires a lot in the way of craftsmanship and special tooling to get right. AR assembly is *much* more forgiving - I'd venture to say that a good AK is a lot like a 1911... not a perfect analogy, but you get the picture.

HCM
01-23-2015, 04:24 PM
I don't get these statements:



Forgive me if I'm believing too much lore, but I thought one of the reasons for the AK's global ubiquity is how easy the things are to make. While I understand that some are made a lot better than others, I don't understand why anyone in the US would have to reverse-engineer anything... or why there is any limit as to how well the US can "reasonably replicate" the Russian methods of manufacturing.

Doesn't every country with hand tools know how to make an AK? With more than 60 years of history, what is there to reverse-engineer?

Signed,
An AK ignoramus

Nothing is impossible, for example Rifle Dynamics makes awesome AKs here in the U.S., as does Arsenal.Arsenal was able to bring Bulgarian tooling and technicians over to shorten the learning curve and reduce overhead / start up costs. The draw / market niche of the Russian AK's, like the Arsenals is their quality as compared to a Century Arms etc. There are guys in the Pakistani tribal areas making AK's with hand tools but even over there a factory built PRC or Russian AK will bring a premium.

Quality control makes a difference in reliablity, accuracy and safety, even with AK's. The whole "AK's never jam" thing is a fallacy.

Jay Cunningham
01-23-2015, 05:37 PM
Good AK coverage: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/shot-show-2015-roundup-on-ak-gear

LOKNLOD
01-23-2015, 07:47 PM
I wonder how it will play with my arrangement?

I'd be interested to see how the long handguard fits up with that style gasblock config.

Jay Cunningham
01-23-2015, 07:59 PM
I'd be interested to see how the long handguard fits up with that style gasblock config.

Indeed.

helothar
01-23-2015, 11:31 PM
Did I read correctly that the long hand guard requires removal of the regular hg retainer plate?

SecondsCount
01-24-2015, 12:19 AM
I handled the AK in the Magpul booth and like the extended handguard version. A good friend, excellent carbine shooter, former Force Recon marine, and trainer said that he really liked it. So much so that he is going to put one on one of his when they become available.

It was also interesting that Palmetto State introduced a US made AK at SHOT.

BigT
01-24-2015, 09:52 AM
Is there anything to be said about the news/rumor that Kalashnikov is opening up a US factory?

They told us second or third quarter.

Jay Cunningham
01-24-2015, 09:58 AM
Did I read correctly that the long hand guard requires removal of the regular hg retainer plate?

I believe a lot of these newer handguard solutions do. It makes sense.

Malamute
01-24-2015, 12:20 PM
I thought one of the reasons for the AK's global ubiquity is how easy the things are to make. While I understand that some are made a lot better than others, I don't understand why anyone in the US would have to reverse-engineer anything... or why there is any limit as to how well the US can "reasonably replicate" the Russian methods of manufacturing.




Slight de-rail, but this guy made one (receiver) from a shovel, a barrel blank and a parts kit.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!

Jay Cunningham
01-24-2015, 01:12 PM
Slight de-rail, but this guy made one (receiver) from a shovel, a barrel blank and a parts kit.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!

Oh, so like a DPMS.

helothar
01-24-2015, 01:20 PM
Since it doesnt look like Arsenal is producing any more fixed stock guns, any idea of what the best donor for one of the zhukov stocks would be?

45dotACP
01-24-2015, 09:03 PM
Oh, so like a DPMS.
+10 internets

Bigghoss
01-30-2015, 09:54 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10862503_911455762200107_9000197570209469531_o.jpg

I'm going to ditch the Romy wire folder and wood handguard on my x39 for this setup.




Slight de-rail, but this guy made one (receiver) from a shovel, a barrel blank and a parts kit.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!


Oh, so like a DPMS.

The only thing funnier than that $h!t-shovel AK thread is this response to it.

Doug
01-31-2015, 04:04 PM
Here is a hands on video from the shot show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3l5mfbyUro

One downside is it looks like you need to lose the handguard retainer for the extended handguard version.

The fixed stock version with the riser has a small storage area.