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Comedian
12-13-2014, 06:23 PM
I just picked up a new M&P FS 9mm and i am now noticing the slide to frame fit is a bit loose. It actually rattles somewhat if i shake it. Im not thrilled with the fit. Should i be concerned over this?
Suvorov
12-13-2014, 07:23 PM
I have a SP2022 that rattles like a can of spray paint and will tear a ragged hole in an index card at 30 feet. What really matters is barrel to slide fit.
Comedian
12-13-2014, 08:25 PM
I haven't shot it yet. The barrel feels very tight to the slide.
I wouldn't worry about it until you know how it shoots.
Comedian
12-13-2014, 08:53 PM
I will report back after i run some rds thru it.
I went and shook mine (Nov '13 build sku 209301 FS9) just now.
I have to say, it DOES rattle a bit. Giving it a good shake either side, there is a muted but distinct 'click' as the slide moves slightly on the frame.
Seems to shoot ok for me.
Comedian
12-14-2014, 12:19 AM
I went and shook mine (Nov '13 build sku 209301 FS9) just now.
I have to say, it DOES rattle a bit. Giving it a good shake either side, there is a muted but distinct 'click' as the slide moves slightly on the frame.
Seems to shoot ok for me.
Yeah thats exactly how it is with mine. It is a 10/10/14 gun.
Sasage
12-14-2014, 10:36 AM
The PPQs have a bit of rattle as well.
DocGKR
12-14-2014, 11:13 AM
If it shoots well, who cares if a handgun rattles? Utterly irrelevant to good shooting...
fixer
12-14-2014, 12:12 PM
I personally never bothered to care about rattles in modern polymer service pistols.
HopetonBrown
12-14-2014, 02:16 PM
There are often posts on HKPro from people very upset that their slide stop rattles on their HK when they shake it (http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/160962-loose-slide-lever-new-p2000sk-my-fix.html). I don't understand. Maybe this comes from the tight slide to frame fit obsession with some 1911 owners?
BobLoblaw
12-15-2014, 09:09 AM
My M&P 45c does the same thing. The slide even shifts from side to side when dry firing but it's very accurate when I'm doing my part. I've seen some SIGs that could damn near pass for maracas but they run fine.
Comedian
12-15-2014, 05:23 PM
It just bugs me because my other M&P FS doesn't have this loose fit.
ToddG
12-15-2014, 05:27 PM
Bobbj22 -- Absolutely correct. It's something I dealt with (often by rolling my eyes) when working at SIG. Frame to slide fit, especially on SIG-style locking mechanisms, is all but meaningless.
Comedian -- Don't sweat it. What matters is whether the barrel/slide lock up tight and consistently. The sights you're using to aim the gun are on the slide. So if the sights and the barrel are consistently aligned, the frame looseness has no effect on accuracy. (this is one reason why plenty of people can outshoot a Ransom rest, which relies on frame-to-sight consistency, so to speak)
Bobbj22 -- Absolutely correct. It's something I dealt with (often by rolling my eyes) when working at SIG. Frame to slide fit, especially on SIG-style locking mechanisms, is all but meaningless.
Comedian -- Don't sweat it. What matters is whether the barrel/slide lock up tight and consistently. The sights you're using to aim the gun are on the slide. So if the sights and the barrel are consistently aligned, the frame looseness has no effect on accuracy. (this is one reason why plenty of people can outshoot a Ransom rest, which relies on frame-to-sight consistency, so to speak)
I just cant help myself when picking pistols? I'll always pick the Pistol with No Slop over the pistol with slop.
Symmetry
12-16-2014, 11:22 AM
New M&P rattle
I saw the title and I though S&W had come out with some new maracas.
http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p637/scottomega76/man-sombrero-maracas-2845982_zps51fcc104.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/scottomega76/media/man-sombrero-maracas-2845982_zps51fcc104.jpg.html)
Comedian
12-18-2014, 03:57 AM
Bobbj22 -- Absolutely correct. It's something I dealt with (often by rolling my eyes) when working at SIG. Frame to slide fit, especially on SIG-style locking mechanisms, is all but meaningless.
Comedian -- Don't sweat it. What matters is whether the barrel/slide lock up tight and consistently. The sights you're using to aim the gun are on the slide. So if the sights and the barrel are consistently aligned, the frame looseness has no effect on accuracy. (this is one reason why plenty of people can outshoot a Ransom rest, which relies on frame-to-sight consistency, so to speak)
Good to know. Thanks Todd and everyone else that responded in this thread.
I just picked up a new M&P FS 9mm and i am now noticing the slide to frame fit is a bit loose. It actually rattles somewhat if i shake it. Im not thrilled with the fit. Should i be concerned over this?
Have you gotten to the range yet?
KeithH
12-22-2014, 03:45 PM
I was told that loose fit is a good thing. It helps with reliability if the weapon is dropped in mud or sand. Does anyone know if this is true?
How loose is too loose?
I don't think it's that simple. My Glocks don't rattle and they do well with debris.
It seems like knowing what's rattling, and why, are key things to understand before you can determine if having some parts looser fitting will benefit its performance under dirty conditions.
I don't think it's that simple. My Glocks don't rattle and they do well with debris.
It seems like knowing what's rattling, and why, are key things to understand before you can determine if having some parts looser fitting will benefit its performance under dirty conditions.
Question
If you were looking for a M&P 9mm and you found 2 .
One that had zero play.
The other that rattles.
Which one would you really pick?
Question
If you were looking for a M&P 9mm and you found 2 .
One that had zero play.
The other that rattles.
Which one would you really pick?
The one with the big ….. -- oh, never mind.
Kyle Reese
12-22-2014, 04:29 PM
Question
If you were looking for a M&P 9mm and you found 2 .
One that had zero play.
The other that rattles.
Which one would you really pick?
The one that will consistently group well at 25 yards.
The one that will consistently group well at 25 yards.
Exactly. I couldn't care less about a rattle, I care about how it performs.
The one that will consistently group well at 25 yards.
Exactly. I couldn't care less about a rattle, I care about how it performs.
No dispute, the one that shoots. The problem is knowing which M&P will shoot. So is there some mechanical attribute that can be evaluated when new in the box, or do you just make a random choice?
I would probably order it online, so whichever one showed up at my local gun shop.
KeithH
12-22-2014, 09:03 PM
Mine rattles....now you've got me wondering if I should have compared samples and bought the tightest one.
I may not sleep tonight.
Kyle Reese
12-22-2014, 09:06 PM
Mine is a September 2014 manufacture & this was a group that I shot today at 20 yards on a B8 (freestyle) right before leaving the range with standard pressure 124 grain Speer Gold Dot ammunition. Ironically, this is the worst group of the day with the M&P 9, and had shot a 10 shot group with the Gold Dot as well as 124 grain Lawman FMJ where all shots were in the black. The pistol "rattles", but I don't give a rip as long as it performs.
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KeithH
12-22-2014, 09:14 PM
Nice shooting! That's a keeper!
DocGKR
12-23-2014, 01:48 AM
Noisy, rattling M&P9c freestyle slowfire at 25 yds using Fed 147 gr FMJ:
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b580/DocGKR2/MampP9cRMR07_zps08a7f13b.jpg
I could care less how an issued gun looks, feels, sounds, or whatever, so long as it works. Now, if I spend my money on something, & it's not darn near as good as it can be, yeah, I'm probably gonna be a little disheartened by it. I understand what you're saying OP. While it's prob not a functional issue, if you're not happy with the gun, send it back to be fixed or replaced. S&W has some of the best service around so use it while you can.
Comedian
12-23-2014, 03:43 AM
I sold it without firing a shot. I just found it annoying to feel the slide moving and hear the rattle. My ocd wouldn't allow it regardless of the performance potential of the pistol. My VP9 doesn't have a fit that grates on my nerves and also performs fantastically. Ive never owned a Beretta 92 so that will probably be my next "fun" gun. I don't think 92's rattle but i will check the fit just in case. :cool:
DocGKR
12-23-2014, 01:45 PM
"I sold it without firing a shot."
Wow--purchasing and then selling a lifesaving tool without ever even assessing its functional potential leaves me a bit speechless.
"I don't think 92's rattle but i will check the fit just in case."
You obviously have never used a military M9...
ToddG
12-23-2014, 02:38 PM
I sold it without firing a shot.
Did you feel the rattle was negative enough to disclose it to the buyer?
You obviously have never used a military M9...
Or a military 1911. "Shake, rattle and roll" was their theme song, but the few with good triggers shot very well.
JBP55
12-23-2014, 02:55 PM
On a positive note I think you will really like the HK VP9.
HopetonBrown
12-23-2014, 03:40 PM
I don't even know if any of my guns rattle.
From my Motorola StarTAC.
Comedian
12-23-2014, 09:32 PM
Did you feel the rattle was negative enough to disclose it to the buyer?
Yes i sold it to a friend and he wasn't bothered by the rattle.
Comedian
12-23-2014, 09:34 PM
On a positive note I think you will really like the HK VP9.
Its overall the best striker fired pistol I've ever tried. The only thing it needed was some Talon rubber grips since the grip felt a bit slippery out of the box.
ToddG
12-23-2014, 09:38 PM
Yes i sold it to a friend and he wasn't bothered by the rattle.
Seems good enough to me, then. Gun you owned that you didn't want, gun your friend wanted, problem solved. Glad it worked out for you. (do I think you're a little too OCD about the rattle... well... maybe :cool:)
JBP55
12-23-2014, 09:41 PM
Its overall the best striker fired pistol I've ever tried. The only thing it needed was some Talon rubber grips since the grip felt a bit slippery out of the box.
If you decide to change the sights Dawson has both tritium and fiber optic for the VP9.
Comedian
12-23-2014, 09:42 PM
Wow--purchasing and then selling a lifesaving tool without ever even assessing its functional potential leaves me a bit speechless.
You obviously have never used a military M9...
Ive only fired a 92 once. It was a rental. It was quite nice as far as slide fit and the smoothness with which it traveled on the frame. Quite unique in that sense compared to any other semi auto since the barrel doesn't tilt.
Comedian
12-23-2014, 09:43 PM
If you decide to change the sights Dawson has both tritium and fiber optic for the VP9.
Thanks but i already had Meps installed. I like the price on Meps.
Comedian
12-23-2014, 09:44 PM
Seems good enough to me, then. Gun you owned that you didn't want, gun your friend wanted, problem solved. Glad it worked out for you. (do I think you're a little too OCD about the rattle... well... maybe :cool:)
He actually offered to buy it since i was bitching about it. But he got a good deal. Oh i do suffer from a perfectionist devil on my shoulder whispering stuff in my ear. lol
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