CZ Scorpion Evo 3 with Sig brace

[GJM]

http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1-pistol/

http://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI

Now this looks cool!

[Jeep]

Version one of the Scorpion was on every Euro-terrorist's must-have list back in the day. This, however, actually looks potentially useful/fun. Any idea of whether it takes a special adaptor to hook the sig brace to the pistol?

[RevolverRob]

Cool. FYI - the word on the streets is -a straightforward way to add an AR15 pistol buffer tube and Sigbrace to a KRISS SDP now exists. Which would also be very cool.

[Tamara]

Oh. It's just another big clunky "me-too" 9mm. I got all excited thinking it was gonna be a rehash of the cool little .32ACP Skorpion. :(

[Maple Syrup Actual]

They sell the .32 up here. I just can't quite justify the cost.

But I always wanted one as a kid.

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[Byron]

There's a part of me that's yearning for a Sig MPX with brace (whenever they're available here). I've been seriously considering it as a fun gun, but it's hard to swallow the cost.

This CZ is half the price of the Sig. Now I have something new to ponder over.

I'd love to see a comparison of the two.


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[Haraise]

Oh. It's just another big clunky "me-too" 9mm. I got all excited thinking it was gonna be a rehash of the cool little .32ACP Skorpion. :(

+1/Like.

It's a pistol. A pistol. The 9x19 Skorpion was so tiny and awesomedorable. This is like 'that SCAR is shooting 9x19?' Even the SCAR-16 looks sized for .308 at minimum.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

There's a part of me that's yearning for a Sig MPX with brace (whenever they're available here). I've been seriously considering it as a fun gun

I have a similar affliction, minus the brace which doesn't matter in Canada.

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[Up1911Fan]

Has anyone got a Scorpion yet? Thoughts?

[Luke]

Took a couple classes with a guy who had one. He wasn't impressed with it but I can't remember why. I know, your welcome, glad I could be of use :)

I want one SO bad. When they were first added to the "what's new for 2015" on CZ's site I called and asked if the stock to the real one could be purchased separately and was told no. I had my heart set on this plus 2 tax stamps and have one of the coolest suppressed SBR's around. I just can't make myself like the sig brace.

[45dotACP]

I still think there's a cool factor involved in using a sling to stabilize one of those short guns, especially in states like mine where SBR isn't kosher :(

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[Up1911Fan]

Took a couple classes with a guy who had one. He wasn't impressed with it but I can't remember why. I know, your welcome, glad I could be of use :)

I want one SO bad. When they were first added to the "what's new for 2015" on CZ's site I called and asked if the stock to the real one could be purchased separately and was told no. I had my heart set on this plus 2 tax stamps and have one of the coolest suppressed SBR's around. I just can't make myself like the sig brace.

922R kit with factory folding stock is due out anytime now. That's what's got me considering one.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Did anyone ever end up messing around with these?

They finally cleared Canada's gun classification laws so I'll probably be playing around with one in the next month or two.

[HCM]

A couple of my buddies have them. They are OK but really need aftermarket safeties and trigger kits. Having shot them, I'm saving / waiting to get an MOX.

[Paul D]

I have an SBR one with the 922R kit. It's okay. The trigger kinda sucks and it was a PITA to put in the compliance sear. The heavy bolt carrier makes you feel every shot. I have an RDS on mine. The sight above bore line is pretty big. It's not that accurate. The only other pistol caliber SBR experience I have is the HK MP5K. That was better to shoot.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Hm. Disappointed to hear about the trigger. Blowback guns...recoil I guess is inherent to the design and it can't be worse (or even as bad) as a Sterling but yeah, I could see that. They look fun from a distance but I'm not sure how fun. No sear worries up here, but overall may or may not be worth the money to me.

I can't get into paying the $2500 CAD an MPX commands, or a B&T TP9.

Now I'm more tempted to get a Vz.61 Skorpion. They're making them in .22 now, which might be stupidly fun.

[Luke]

Hm. Disappointed to hear about the trigger. Blowback guns...recoil I guess is inherent to the design and it can't be worse (or even as bad) as a Sterling but yeah, I could see that. They look fun from a distance but I'm not sure how fun. No sear worries up here, but overall may or may not be worth the money to me.

I can't get into paying the $2500 CAD an MPX commands, or a B&T TP9.

Now I'm more tempted to get a Vz.61 Skorpion. They're making them in .22 now, which might be stupidly fun.

Used JP13 off gunbtoker?

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Plenty of pistol calibre carbines to choose from...but IMO if you're throwing away a carbine on a pistol round, you should really just be going for style points. Euro subguns are much cooler than pistol calibre ARs, IMO.

[pangloss]

A friend of mine has one with the arm brace on it. I've shot it a couple of times, and the braced version is much much better than the non-braced version. I imagine that it would be even better as an SBR. I've put maybe 50 rounds through it, and it's a fun little gun. If I could magically transform my Beretta CX4 into a CZ, I'd probably do it, just because you can fold the brace/stock on the CZ. However, the CX4 gets points for it's semi-bullpup/overgrown pistol design. I guess the B&T TP9 might be my "ideal," but I've never ever seen on in person.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

They're nice. Very well built, unsurprisingly. Just pricey.

[Paul D]

Hm. Disappointed to hear about the trigger. Blowback guns...recoil I guess is inherent to the design and it can't be worse (or even as bad) as a Sterling but yeah, I could see that. They look fun from a distance but I'm not sure how fun. No sear worries up here, but overall may or may not be worth the money to me.

I can't get into paying the $2500 CAD an MPX commands, or a B&T TP9.

Now I'm more tempted to get a Vz.61 Skorpion. They're making them in .22 now, which might be stupidly fun.

Not to be a bigger downer, but with a can on the end the recoil is annoying. I can do faster shots on target with by AR SBR than the Evo. Plus it is kinda chunky for a PDW. I use a 5.11 Moab to tote it around it fills up the bag fully.

15494

[Maple Syrup Actual]

That's not being a downer, that's being helpful. That pic says something...something about a LAW folder and a 10.5.

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[Drang]

Plus it is kinda chunky for a PDW. I use a 5.11 Moab to tote it around it fills up the bag fully.
And the original Skorpion (http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/vz61-skorpion/)was so... petite!

[Paul D]

And the original Skorpion (http://www.forgottenweapons.com/submachine-guns/vz61-skorpion/)was so... petite!

Yeah but then it ate all that polymer and got YUGE. The Evo 3 weighs about 6.1 lbs. The MP5-A3 weighs 6.3 lbs. Which one has more sexy? http://hkusa.s3.amazonaws.com/20161024133733/5-MP5-CALIF-SWAT1.jpg

[JM Campbell]

I've enjoyed shooting my evo so far. I do have aftermarket trigger and springs, mag release and right side safety lever. I am running a H1 with factory low mount puts the dot slightly above the sights, pretty much cowitness sight picture.
My Scorpion so far has been accurate, I have destroyed 1" square targets at 15-20 yards, have hit out to 200 yards on steel and hammered 100yd steel man sized targets.

I do shoot my own reloads.


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[Paul D]

Just an update: I have had the hardest time keeping the my Scorpion accurate while suppressed. When not suppressed, it is accurate. When I put on my AAC Ti-Rant, it goes crazy inaccurate after about 10-15 rounds. I installed the fixed barrel spacer and tried 2 different threat adapters. With the different adapter sans can, it was a laser. I concluded that it was the can. The titanium in the can turned the end of the barrel into a wet noodle when it got hot. Maybe I need a steel can; maybe it wasn't meant to be.

[Odin Bravo One]

I use to clean house in Call of Duty multi-player with the Skorpion........

[Paul D]

I use to clean house in Call of Duty multi-player with the Skorpion........

Ha! At least the Scorpion is awesome in an alternate universe.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Okay these things are POINTLESS.

But OH MAN IS IT FUN! If they could have made it work in 9mm I think it would be a must-have. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170625/6b72292eb259800ad4bc703923897080.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170625/f5b80389acc154626201808c39513cf4.jpg

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[Drang]

Okay these things are POINTLESS.

But OH MAN IS IT FUN! If they could have made it work in 9mm I think it would be a must-have.
Did the .380 ones work?

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I believe they did, but I THINK that they were the outer edge of the performance envelope for this operating system. IIRC a few 9mm versions were built but they did not run well. This runs fine...until you try to feed it RNFPs. Which is now all the .32 I have left.

So I guess I'll be ordering bullets and dies because I love this stupid little thing.

[Tamara]

The .32ACP is half of what I like about that goofy little thing. I like knowing that whimsy was alive and well in isolated pockets even behind the iron curtain.

[Odin Bravo One]

I like to think my bride is actually a deep cover sleeper agent, and that her grandmother had one smuggled in for her use, and somewhere in a box of family heirlooms, there is a Skorpion in our attic, and she will break out like she is La Femme Nikita when the FSB tries to reactivate her........

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I mean I like to think my bride is Katya Kasanova, although she's German not Russian, and also not a cartoon character. And, realistically, some extra time in the gym may be necessary to replicate that core.

Also she doesn't have bangs.



But basically, what I'm saying is: I get you.








ETA: I also sometimes like to think she's Cherlene, and I'm like hey, is this rocket pop cold? and she's like eeeeeee, and

[Paul D]

The only movie where I've seen the Skorpion in. And yes, I hope my bride doesn't surprise me in this way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGH4XQ94tc

[Sigfan26]

The only movie where I've seen the Skorpion in. And yes, I hope my bride doesn't surprise me in this way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUGH4XQ94tc

Body of Lies was another movie.


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[Hambo]

I don't care about VZ61 caliber, effectiveness, or even if they're generally a good idea or not. They are Cold War cool and that's all that matters.

[Robinson]

You dudes have wives who are bound to off you in exotic spy thriller ways. When mine comes I can only imagine it will involve an Acme anvil.

[Hambo]

You dudes have wives who are bound to off you in exotic spy thriller ways. When mine comes I can only imagine it will involve an Acme anvil.

That's why I got rid of my W. German marked P7s: the temptation for meine frau would be too much. I'm pretty sure a good German wouldn't resort to murder with an Italian pistol.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

"Hey dude, what happened to that smoking hot Czech you used to date?"

"The crazy one who couldn't really keep it together on anything?"

"Yeah, she wasn't like...wife material or anything but super hot though."

"Yeah...I've seen her around. She's way more stable now."

"No shit?"

"For real. I mean I don't know if I'd call her rock solid or anything, but yeah, she's definitely not just crazy anymore."

"Is she available?"

"Yeah, she's available."

"Well WTF dude, why aren't you more excited?"

"It's just...you know."

"No, what?"

"She's just...she's put on a lot of weight."

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[Paul D]

"Hey dude, what happened to that smoking hot Czech you used to date?"

"The crazy one who couldn't really keep it together on anything?"

"Yeah, she wasn't like...wife material or anything but super hot though."

"Yeah...I've seen her around. She's way more stable now."

"No shit?"

"For real. I mean I don't know if I'd call her rock solid or anything, but yeah, she's definitely not just crazy anymore."

"Is she available?"

"Yeah, she's available."

"Well WTF dude, why aren't you more excited?"

"It's just...you know."

"No, what?"

"She's just...she's put on a lot of weight."

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What optic is that?

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I honestly have no idea...it was on the thing when it arrived yesterday and I actually haven't even tried to turn it on.

Okay, actually, I just checked the website of the people who lent me the Scorpion and my best guess is DI Optical FC1.

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[Maple Syrup Actual]

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/ProductDetail/DIOFC1_DI-Optical-FC1-2-0-MOA-Red-Dot-Sight

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[Jeep]

I don't care about VZ61 caliber, effectiveness, or even if they're generally a good idea or not. They are Cold War cool and that's all that matters.


The Bader Meinhof gang/Red Brigades used to specialize in using them during their heists and kidnappings. Back when they were active, Big Army required ammo convoys and other juicy targets to have the capacity to fight back. That was generally limited to one 2LT or SFC carrying a .45 with five rounds in a separately carried magazine. Because five rounds of hardball could take out a Red Brigade ambush team and their wussy .32 cal. Skorpions any day.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

#baadass (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=baadass)

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[Ed L]

I would love to get a .32 Skorpion with a folding stock because it would be fun. What are the laws on such items in Canada?



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[Hambo]

The Bader Meinhof gang/Red Brigades used to specialize in using them during their heists and kidnappings. Back when they were active, Big Army required ammo convoys and other juicy targets to have the capacity to fight back. That was generally limited to one 2LT or SFC carrying a .45 with five rounds in a separately carried magazine. Because five rounds of hardball could take out a Red Brigade ambush team and their wussy .32 cal. Skorpions any day.

Well, fuck yeah. 'Merica, JMB, they all fall to hardball, and all that. Any GI worth his salt should be able to take fifteen .32 hits per second and still load his 1911.

[Clobbersaurus]

I would love to get a .32 Skorpion with a folding stock because it would be fun. What are the laws on such items in Canada?

They are restricted firearms, which means special licenses, permits and restrictions.

Also, mags are limited to five rounds.

We can own cool stuff, but the Gov tries desperately to take all the fun out of it.

[LittleLebowski]

How are these Evos running?

[GJM]

How are these Evos running?

Pretty good, if you don't "improve them," with after market trigger stuff and magazine extensions.

[LittleLebowski]

This "brace" (https://www.yetiwurks.com/collections/braces-stocks-and-brace-accessories/products/scorpion-stock-w-adapter) looks pretty tasty.

[LittleLebowski]

Evo pistol en route.

[SeriousStudent]

Evo pistol en route.

You will like it. So will your daughter.

I's uber-fun on a plate rack with a Aimpoint Micro. :)

[JM Campbell]

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My sample has been running great so far 1400 rounds. I do recommend the HB Industries small AK style safety for the right hand side. https://hbindustries.net/store/shop/cz-scorpion-mini-ak-style-safety-selectors/


@500 rds shooting FAST at low ready with 2 different scorpions. My best was 5.13 buddy got down to 4.21. Both of us where reloading from the pocket. Non official target, lower shots where determining sight over bore.

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[LittleLebowski]

Does anyone here know if the CZ Scorpion chamber is short like CZ pistols?

[JM Campbell]

Does anyone here know if the CZ Scorpion chamber is short like CZ pistols?

Yes it is. Feeds blazer brass and federal. Had to load shorter then my load for my mp9s and shield.


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