Let's talk about the AUG.

[Paul D]

The idea, in a post brace world, is a compact long gun, legal for cross state travel without paperwork, that can ride in the Sprinter. The AUG is very handy in a confined area, held with one hand, due to its weight distribution. Having to store a left and right hand one, and identifying each, is a deal breaker in a relatively small van. Darryl thought it could be fired left handed in a pinch without issue. Guess I will have to test it out.

Easy problem to solve: they come in black, green, white and brown. One color for right and one for left. Easy Peasy! Well....expensive peasy.

[GJM]

Easy problem to solve: they come in black, green, white and brown. One color for right and one for left. Easy Peasy! Well....expensive peasy.

We can mount both of them above the shovel!

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[1slow]

Are there any .300 Blackout factory Steyr AUGs (non Nato) ?

[Caballoflaco]

The idea, in a post brace world, is a compact long gun, legal for cross state travel without paperwork, that can ride in the Sprinter. The AUG is very handy in a confined area, held with one hand, due to its weight distribution. Having to store a left and right hand one, and identifying each, is a deal breaker in a relatively small van. Darryl thought it could be fired left handed in a pinch without issue. Guess I will have to test it out.

Would a case deflector work?

https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/cd-casedeflector

[WobblyPossum]

The idea, in a post brace world, is a compact long gun, legal for cross state travel without paperwork, that can ride in the Sprinter. The AUG is very handy in a confined area, held with one hand, due to its weight distribution. Having to store a left and right hand one, and identifying each, is a deal breaker in a relatively small van. Darryl thought it could be fired left handed in a pinch without issue. Guess I will have to test it out.


Would a case deflector work?

https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/cd-casedeflector

When I owned an AUG I had the Corvus Defensio case deflector on the ejection port. It worked very well and I never had issues with brass to the face if I shot left handed. I didn’t notice much gas to the face but I’ve also never shot a a suppressed AUG.

[UNM1136]

Are there any .300 Blackout factory Steyr AUGs (non Nato) ?

-fingers crossed-

-Left nut giving me Forrest Whitaker eye-

Making kids done, Left nut should be wary...

pat

[Willard]

We can mount both of them above the shovel!

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If you have a free minute, is this the Sprinter and what are your impressions on it? Which model? Thanks!

[GJM]

If you have a free minute, is this the Sprinter and what are your impressions on it? Which model? Thanks!

Storyteller Overland Beast. Our third Storyteller and we have loved each one -- great product and company.

[GJM]

Will try the case deflector, thanks.

Google led me to a thread where the AUG was found to be not drop safe, if dropped butt down with the safety off. Had that been discussed in this thread?

How hard are the Steyr trigger pack springs to install?

[Dorsai]

Will try the case deflector, thanks.

Google led me to a thread where the AUG was found to be not drop safe, if dropped butt down with the safety off. Had that been discussed in this thread?

How hard are the Steyr trigger pack springs to install?

One of the reasons for the hard trigger is because IT IS DROPSAFE. There are aftermarket sears that improve the trigger pull, but aren't drop safe. That may have been where you found the non-drop safe reference. Corvus Defensio tried to come up with a better trigger pack to improve the trigger pull, but eventually gave up because they could never get it to pass the Austrian drop safe standards.

[GJM]

One of the reasons for the hard trigger is because IT IS DROPSAFE. There are aftermarket sears that improve the trigger pull, but aren't drop safe. That may have been where you found the non-drop safe reference. Corvus Defensio tried to come up with a better trigger pack to improve the trigger pull, but eventually gave up because they could never get it to pass the Austrian drop safe standards.

Actually, people were also testing with the stock AUG:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/AUG-Trigger-Spring-Upgrade-available-from-Steyr/43-539286/?page=2

[El Cid]

What service rifles are drop safe (muzzle impact)? AR’s are not. Nobody seems to care, although I’ve had to explain to a few colleagues why they should not keep their rifles with a loaded chamber in a bag or rack.

[Kyle Reese]

What service rifles are drop safe (muzzle impact)? AR’s are not. Nobody seems to care, although I’ve had to explain to a few colleagues why they should not keep their rifles with a loaded chamber in a bag or rack.

If I recall, the German G3s in Bundeswehr service were drop safe, which could explain the execrable triggers.


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[BillSWPA]

Are there any reports of AR’s discharging when dropped? There are some YouTube videos showing the opposite.

(I still keep mine chamber empty.)

[breakingtime91]

Are there any reports of AR’s discharging when dropped? There are some YouTube videos showing the opposite.

(I still keep mine chamber empty.)

I've seen a lot dropped and they never fired. Only one tripped the hammer but it still didn't fire. Idk what the deal is there.

[breakingtime91]

Will try the case deflector, thanks.

Google led me to a thread where the AUG was found to be not drop safe, if dropped butt down with the safety off. Had that been discussed in this thread?

How hard are the Steyr trigger pack springs to install?

HCM explained its Inertia driven so the tests those guys did wouldn't of tripped the inertia based trigger safety. He told me to rest easy if I got one.

[nalesq]

Will try the case deflector, thanks.

Google led me to a thread where the AUG was found to be not drop safe, if dropped butt down with the safety off. Had that been discussed in this thread?

How hard are the Steyr trigger pack springs to install?

I installed the lighter factory AUG trigger pack springs with only moderate amounts of cursing. It’s about like reassembling an AK trigger assembly.


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[GJM]

What simple sling setup do folks like for the AUG?

[Andy T]

What simple sling setup do folks like for the AUG?

This is what I do: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14062-Let-s-talk-about-the-AUG&p=1354210&viewfull=1#post1354210 . For the rear, I use the existing sling swivel on support side.

[GJM]

I called Steyr in Alabama today, and spoke with Herbert. I asked him if I bought an extra trigger pack and the spring kit, if Steyr would install the springs. He said absolutely, and for just a $25 shop charge. Super nice and helpful person. I am happy to have the lighter springs in a separate trigger pack that I can use as I want. Amazing design for any year but especially for when it was designed.

[helothar]

What simple sling setup do folks like for the AUG?

I've got this on the right side https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/cd-antirotationqdslingattach (replaces the factory sling swivel) and a magpul rsa qd behind the optic on the top rail. Seems to work well enough and keeps the sling out of the way of the charging handle

[GJM]

The Brown truck brought me a package from Alabama with two 42 round mags and this. Trigger pull went down from 8 or 9 pounds to 6.

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[Tennessee Jed]

I've just ordered an AUG A3 M1, I'm going to get the suppressor plug, and I'd like to ask a question about AUG's and suppressors.

My question is, with the suppressor plug, does a flow-through suppressor like a Huxworth or CGS make much difference in noise and gas over something more conventional like a Griffin, Dead Air, Surefire, etc.?

[ccmdfd]

I've just ordered an AUG A3 M1, I'm going to get the suppressor plug, and I'd like to ask a question about AUG's and suppressors.

My question is, with the suppressor plug, does a flow-through suppressor like a Huxworth or CGS make much difference in noise and gas over something more conventional like a Griffin, Dead Air, Surefire, etc.?

Curious to see what the more experienced people have to say about this myself. I just got an OSS can in for the AUG. Previously I was using a Surefire Socom 7.62.

I've only put 20 rounds through the gun with the new can. To me it does feel a little less gassy. I certainly can't appreciate a big difference in noise between the two. Wasn't expecting to though.

The weird thing for my short session was that I felt like there was less gas to my face when shooting with the gas plug in the normal position instead of the suppressed position. The bolt was definitely cycling harder in the normal position. However, as mentioned that's only 20 shots total, 10 in each plug setting and I really wouldn't want to make a major declaration based on such a small sample size at this point.

[Evil_Ed]

I've just ordered an AUG A3 M1, I'm going to get the suppressor plug, and I'd like to ask a question about AUG's and suppressors.

My question is, with the suppressor plug, does a flow-through suppressor like a Huxworth or CGS make much difference in noise and gas over something more conventional like a Griffin, Dead Air, Surefire, etc.?

I don't have a Hux, so I couldn't tell you...years ago I bought an AAC M4-2000 for two reasons; it had less blowback than my Griffin M4-SDII (supposedly), and AAC made their Blackout/Brakeout muzzle devices in the AUG's M13x1 LH twist threading. Even with the lower blowback, the gun was cycling super fast and throwing brass almost straight forward. I bought the suppressor plug a couple years ago and only had a chance to put I think two mags of M855 through it since, but it was a definite improvement; brass was going out at 2:30-3 vs 12:30-1 before. I never really noticed much gas in face. I DID notice however that with the M855 the gun cycled fine with the gas plug set to suppressed with no can on...it felt at the ragged edge of function, like it was just about to verge into under-gassed, but it did run. Hopefully this year I can sit down with it and shoot it some more, if I can ever put down these bolt action rifles I've gotten to like...

Edited to add - noise? There's sadly going to be some port pop from the gas block no matter what you do. There was (is?) a suppressor that RatWorx made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQqZkS9Hro4) that integrated the suppressor into something that covers up the gas block as well. It is a one trick AUG-only pony though.

[Tennessee Jed]

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Thanks for your thoughts on this.

The Aug came in yesterday. I've got a Holosun 515 on it and am looking forward to getting acquainted at the range in the morning.

With all of the hoopla, I was expecting a much worse trigger. It's heavy, but nowhere near as bad as its online reputation.

[dogcaller]

The Brown truck brought me a package from Alabama with two 42 round mags and this. Trigger pull went down from 8 or 9 pounds to 6.

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What is this, exactly? New springs or new...?

[spyderco monkey]

What simple sling setup do folks like for the AUG?

Factory AUG sling + a Ranger Band folds up very nicely and couldn't be simpler.

https://i.ibb.co/pX0qVxK/AUG-Enhanced-1.jpg

[Evil_Ed]

What is this, exactly? New springs or new...?

Steyr AUG factory spring upgrade pack (https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/aug-trigger-pack-spring-upgrade-kit)

They also appear to have suppressor plugs in stock..

[HeavyDuty]

Are those springs ever included in a complete rifle, or are they always an upgrade? I think I need to pull my trigger pack and look.

[Caballoflaco]

Are those springs ever included in a complete rifle, or are they always an upgrade? I think I need to pull my trigger pack and look.

Upgrade only afaik.

[ccmdfd]

Are those springs ever included in a complete rifle, or are they always an upgrade? I think I need to pull my trigger pack and look.


Upgrade only afaik.

Could be wrong, but the way I interpreted it was that he ordered the trigger pack itself as well as the spring upgrade and then had the factory actually swap the Springs out before shipping the pack. If you just order the spring upgrade by itself you'll get a bag with the Springs in it.

[GJM]

Could be wrong, but the way I interpreted it was that he ordered the trigger pack itself as well as the spring upgrade and then had the factory actually swap the Springs out before shipping the pack. If you just order the spring upgrade by itself you'll get a bag with the Springs in it.

Yes, this is exactly what I did. Bought a trigger pack and the spring kit -- Steyr installed the springs for $25. Now I have two trigger packs, one with the stock springs and the other with the reduced pull weight spring kit.

[HeavyDuty]

I would probably just get the spring kit and upgrade my current trigger pack - I’m not sure I need a second.

[ccmdfd]

Yes, this is exactly what I did. Bought a trigger pack and the spring kit -- Steyr installed the springs for $25. Now I have two trigger packs, one with the stock springs and the other with the reduced pull weight spring kit.

Glad to know that I was paying attention correctly and my mind was working well!

You should get them to offer that as a package. Trigger pack with reduced Springs already installed. They should name it after you and you should get a percentage of the profits!

[GlockenSpiel]

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Anybody want a 14.5" AUG barrel?

[Andy T]

This would probably make a compact suppressed packaged when paired with mini-Socom. Tempting.

[GlockenSpiel]

It would be a good candidate for a pin and weld with the right muzzle device, especially if that's how you mount a suppressor. That way you avoid making the receiver itself an SBR is my understanding.

[Andy T]

It would be a good candidate for a pin and weld with the right muzzle device, especially if that's how you mount a suppressor. That way you avoid making the receiver itself an SBR is my understanding.

If going the SBR route, one can also engrave the barrel. This way the original AUG configuration is untouched once the short barrel is removed and the original installed and there are no other markings on the receiver.

[Evil_Ed]

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Anybody want a 14.5" AUG barrel?

Somehow I missed this? I have an original "commando" AUG barrel from when they were first (?) imported in the early 2000s...actually I had two; one green one black. Sold the green one...kept the black one, which was good since not long after I sold the green one, Steyr introduced the A3, in black...so yay. Problem is Steyr only imported a few hundred...so it's too valuable to actually use.

It would be nice to get a useable copy of one that I can actually SBR the gun with...so, ordered. I also need to figure out a decent muzzle device and can; the only two .223 cans I have are an old M4-2000 and an even older Griffin M4SD-II...it deserves something a little more "up to date".

Maybe I should just get a Dead Air Sandman-S and use that for 5.56...

[HCM]

Somehow I missed this? I have an original "commando" AUG barrel from when they were first (?) imported in the early 2000s...actually I had two; one green one black. Sold the green one...kept the black one, which was good since not long after I sold the green one, Steyr introduced the A3, in black...so yay. Problem is Steyr only imported a few hundred...so it's too valuable to actually use.

It would be nice to get a useable copy of one that I can actually SBR the gun with...so, ordered. I also need to figure out a decent muzzle device and can; the only two .223 cans I have are an old M4-2000 and an even older Griffin M4SD-II...it deserves something a little more "up to date".

Maybe I should just get a Dead Air Sandman-S and use that for 5.56...

You’re gonna want some thing with lower back pressure than either of those two cans.

[El Cid]

I’m settling on the HUX WRX Flow 556k as the can to use with the AUG. That said, I love my Midwest Industries rail. Will I need the extended length muzzle device to clear it? 105904

[Evil_Ed]

I’m settling on the HUX WRX Flow 556k as the can to use with the AUG. That said, I love my Midwest Industries rail. Will I need the extended length muzzle device to clear it? 105904

If the can does NOT go past the muzzle device, then maybe not...the muzzle threads end roughly where the wrench flat ends on the lock nut I think, on the photo you posted. Though if you want to be sure, you'll need to take the muzzle device off and see for yourself where the threads end...

[Evil_Ed]

You’re gonna want some thing with lower back pressure than either of those two cans.

With the suppressor gas plug, the M42K seems to run just fine without massive overgassing. Hell the whole reason I bought the AAC was that at the time, it was one of the lowest backpressure cans sold...the other lower pressure can being the Surefire SOCOM series which was just about unobtanium at the time.

[Evil_Ed]

And V1 Tactical just shipped the barrel! Yay! If anyone wants any comparisons between the new one and the original vintage factory Commando barrel I have, I'll see if I can get a bunch of side-by-side photos of them; markings, etc. I guess I don't have an excuse to not SBR the AUG now..

[HCM]

With the suppressor gas plug, the M42K seems to run just fine without massive overgassing. Hell the whole reason I bought the AAC was that at the time, it was one of the lowest backpressure cans sold...the other lower pressure can being the Surefire SOCOM series which was just about unobtanium at the time.

We issue M4 2000s at work. I’m familiar with them.

It may have been low back pressure by the standards of 15 or 20 years ago but not by today’s standards.

[El Cid]

If the can does NOT go past the muzzle device, then maybe not...the muzzle threads end roughly where the wrench flat ends on the lock nut I think, on the photo you posted. Though if you want to be sure, you'll need to take the muzzle device off and see for yourself where the threads end...

Thanks. Yea, I need to do some more research. I was hoping someone here had already tried it, and I keep seeing Hux Wrx posting videos on social media of their can on an AUG. I may email the company. I'm also a little worried that my lower rail may be an issue.

[El Cid]

Trying to figure out which bbl my AUG has. Looking at the muzzle device (and this link) makes me think it's a 13x1 thread.
https://tnsteyr.wordpress.com/2022/02/08/armorers-tips-styer-aug/

But I've seen people post that the M1A3 rifles are 1/2x28. I don't suppose it's actually written or stamped anywhere is it?

[Andy T]

Trying to figure out which bbl my AUG has. Looking at the muzzle device (and this link) makes me think it's a 13x1 thread.
https://tnsteyr.wordpress.com/2022/02/08/armorers-tips-styer-aug/

But I've seen people post that the M1A3 rifles are 1/2x28. I don't suppose it's actually written or stamped anywhere is it?

I too think it's 13xL judging by the photo of your rifle. My 2021 purchase date AUG had 1/2 X 28. Try calling Steyr with your serial number, they might know it as well.

[HeavyDuty]

Steyr has 20” barrels back in stock.

[El Cid]

Steyr has 20” barrels back in stock.

I've never messed with quick change barrels before. How bad of a POI shift does one usually see going from the AUG 16" to the 20"?

[Evil_Ed]

I've never messed with quick change barrels before. How bad of a POI shift does one usually see going from the AUG 16" to the 20"?

Depends on the barrel - on mine, it was a straight up 4" vertical drop at 100 yards - but it was %100 repeatable. You could spend all day yanking barrels and shooting 5 rounds through it before yanking and replacing, and the change would always be the same. I would expect some barrels would go up in POI, some might drift horizontally, etc.

It will probably move a bit, but it should always be predictable once you've doped it out.

If you're wealthy, you could probably earmark an optic for a 16" barrel, and then just swap optics and barrels to go to a 20" and keep zeros that way...

[El Cid]

Depends on the barrel - on mine, it was a straight up 4" vertical drop at 100 yards - but it was %100 repeatable. You could spend all day yanking barrels and shooting 5 rounds through it before yanking and replacing, and the change would always be the same. I would expect some barrels would go up in POI, some might drift horizontally, etc.

It will probably move a bit, but it should always be predictable once you've doped it out.

If you're wealthy, you could probably earmark an optic for a 16" barrel, and then just swap optics and barrels to go to a 20" and keep zeros that way...

That’s super impressive. Thanks! And while I’m not rich. I could see a QD mount and LPVO being paired with a 20” bbl.

[Evil_Ed]

Sadly (?) I got one of the "correct" Austrian AUG Optics when the A3 was first imported, as well as getting the correct "military rail" (it's longer and higher than the ones that shipped by default with the A3 AUGs, and the current ones)...the optic was designed for the specific rail height.

It's not a QD optic at all...so basically, I'm stuck with the optic/rail pair. The hidden costs of trying to be "correct"...so I don't really swap between the 16" and the 20" that I have :(

[42Willys]

I finally worked my way through this thread. Awesome conversations with the respect you expect at PF. Makes me want to get a spare barrel for my AUG.

[helothar]

if anyone is looking, ARID is having a 15% off sale through July 9
https://www.aridusa.com/ code FREEDOM

They have posted that they are working on a new top rail and handguard (which will replace the stock vert grip) but I didnt see an ETA on that stuff yet

[Caballoflaco]

My biggest AUG criticism/complaint after a few range trips and months of dryfire:

It sucks for handling in any manner other than having a hand directly on the pistol grip. Yeah, there’s a little space between the grip and magazine you can grab, but it’s not super comfortable. For my intended use this isn’t really a problem, but in a situation where somebody was living 24/7 with a rifle and has to deal with a rifle and doing other tasks I think it would start to get old pretty quick.

Like leaning it agains a wall or furniture or laying it on the ground and then picking it up, especially with your weak hand is annoyingly unergonomic.

Eta: I am still using the stock VFG set up.

[GlockenSpiel]

Any thoughts on the current QC for these guns? Their pricing/availability, as well as 5.56 ammo, is not bad at the moment.

[HeavyDuty]

Any thoughts on the current QC for these guns? Their pricing/availability, as well as 5.56 ammo, is not bad at the moment.

Mine is about a year and a half old, and has been fine. I noticed the current dip in prices and briefly considered a second, but not finding ready made 20” barreled rifles killed that.

[helothar]

Any thoughts on the current QC for these guns? Their pricing/availability, as well as 5.56 ammo, is not bad at the moment.

There were a few people that got guns made during the covid period that had issues with stocks cracking near the takedown button, from what I've read steyr replaced all the stocks under warranty. The aug subreddit has some decent information usually

[LittleLebowski]

14.5 barrels in stock! Ordered.

https://steyr-arms.us/product/14-5-barrel/

[ldunnmobile]

Can you run a 14.5 on these and not be NFA?

[1slow]

I believe that:

No, they are titled as rifles. Barrel < 16”. is SBR and NFA paperwork.

Now if we could get some imported as firearms , it might be possible, would need to be > 26” OAL. Doubt this could be done.

[WobblyPossum]

Can you run a 14.5 on these and not be NFA?

I have no idea what the overall length of an AUG with a 14.5” barrel is. You can pin+weld a muzzle device to a 14.5” barrel to take care of the 16” barrel requirement, and depending on the length of that device it might keep you above 26” overall.

[1slow]

I have no idea what the overall length of an AUG with a 14.5” barrel is. You can pin+weld a muzzle device to a 14.5” barrel to take care of the 16” barrel requirement, and depending on the length of that device it might keep you above 26” overall.

I forgot that option.

[HCM]

14.5 barrels in stock! Ordered.

https://steyr-arms.us/product/14-5-barrel/

What is the rifling twist on these ?

[helothar]

What is the rifling twist on these ?

1:9 according to v1tactical
https://v1tactical.com/product/new-steyr-aug-14-5-barrel-mud-grip/

[Colt191145lover]

Biggest thing I hate about my AUG is the 1/9 twist, would love to find a 1/7 16 inch that doesn't cost a arm and a leg.

[oregon45]

I'm fighting an irrational desire for a 20" AUG barrel. I doubt I'll ever wear out my 16" barrel, but who knows if Steyr will make these available again?

[Caballoflaco]

Biggest thing I hate about my AUG is the 1/9 twist, would love to find a 1/7 16 inch that doesn't cost a arm and a leg.

Yeah. Heavy bullets good. I blame the “original AUGs were 1/9 and that’s what I want crowd”

[Evil_Ed]

So all through August (or AUGust, get it? heh heh) Palmetto was blowing out AUGs for 1499...or even more on sale for 1399 for specific models that seemed to change daily. I wound up buying another AUG; this time an A3M1 during that time. Wound up ordering an SF scope from Steyr; a 3x - it sits 60mm lower than the normal AUG optic; the idea is to mount a red dot on the top of the scope (usually T1/T2, or one of the full size Aimpoints; Austria seems to issue the ACO or something similar to that) so you get both magnified and red dot in one package. It actually works better than it sounds, even though it's more a chin weld than a cheek weld for using the red dot...anyway.

Since they don't sell the A3 variant anymore, I'll just shoot the poo out of the A3M1 instead. It came in a nice poop color.

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Ignore the janky gorilla tape crafted deflector/padding on the rear of the stock...it actually works pretty well, but it's "temporary" until I can decide which brass deflector I want to spend an outrageous amount of money on. The extra/2nd side rail on the optic mount has also been removed since that picture...

I think Palmetto still has some models on sale...today it's the white one at 1599 - not a super screaming deal but still at or below dealer cost. I wish I could have gotten a white one; oh well. I'll have to make do with brown :o

Now to finish zeroing it (stupid scope adjust in whole freaking mils it seems - it took 4 mags just to figure out where it was printing and how to adjust it at 100 yards)...and to figure out how to run a light, or even better an IR illuminator and designator. The small side rail is really cramped, and obviously it doesn't really have a top rail in this configuration..

[Caballoflaco]

Now to finish zeroing it (stupid scope adjust in whole freaking mils it seems - it took 4 mags just to figure out where it was printing and how to adjust it at 100 yards)...and to figure out how to run a light, or even better an IR illuminator and designator. The small side rail is really cramped, and obviously it doesn't really have a top rail in this configuration..

I know it’s too late for you, but for anybody else reading. If you pull the receiver out of the stock and remove the bolt carrier you can bore sight it like on an AR upper. This got me pretty dang close at 50yd with an aimpoint comp m3.

Eta: How much does your setup weigh? With a comp M3, 3x micro prism sling and loaded mag I’m close to 10.5 lbs.

[Evil_Ed]

I know it’s too late for you, but for anybody else reading. If you pull the receiver out of the stock and remove the bolt carrier you can bore sight it like on an AR upper. This got me pretty dang close at 50yd with an aimpoint comp m3.

Eta: How much does your setup weigh? With a comp M3, 3x micro prism sling and loaded mag I’m close to 10.5 lbs.

Yeah, about 2 mags in I realized I could have just dismounted the whole thing and done it that way, but at that point I was committed. I ran out of ammo before I could zero the red dot...I slaved the red dot to where the scope crosshairs were at a short distance; when I get a chance this weekend (hopefully) I'll be able to set up a target at 36 yards and zero the red dot on that. It should give me a point blank to 200 yards (I think) zero where the bullet is either at point of impact, or above it, for that whole distance. The 3x SF scope was IIRC designed to be zeroed at 100 meters, and it's got mil dots, so with an ammo dope it should be good. What I wouldn't give to get a manual for the scope...oh well.

Weight is 10lb on the dot with the 3x SF scope, Aimpoint ACO, rubber cover for the ACO, empty Magpul AUG mag, sling, and LaRue rail covers on just about every exposed rail piece. Measured super scientifically by me standing on my scale (I tried it twice and got the same weight each time, which is nice), then me standing on the scale with the rifle. A little bit of a porker but it's distributed pretty well...when I change muzzle devices and hang a can off of it that might change, but for now it's pretty well balanced.

Edited to add - this is how it looks now/how it was weighed:

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And before anyone asks - that's a plain old AUG PMAG that I masked the windows and feed lips on, and sprayed with either Krylon or Rustoleum, when the Krylon ran out mid-one of the mags I was painting...

[Evil_Ed]

Over the weekend I was able to swap out the muzzle device for an AAC 51t for my M42k and put 210-ish rounds down range through it - 5 mags were M855, 2 were Hornady 75gr Interlock HD SBR 5.56 rounds; designed for SBRs and I had a couple hundred rounds of it laying around, so wanted to see how it did.

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That photo was after cleaning, btw.

First mag went to zeroing the red dot at a measured 36 yards, giving me a 36-300 zero - between 37 and like 280, the bullet will be above the point of aim; at 300 it'll be something like an inch below, though with a 16" barrel it may be less than that. I put another two mags (both M855 and the 75gr Interlock) through suppressed - no problems. Moved to the 100 yard line, verified zero of the 3x optic (not surprising it was off a little, last time I had it out I was rushing things), put a mag of Interlock through it both unsuppressed and suppressed, then the rest of the mags through it with the suppressor on to see what the shift at 100 would be. At 36 yards it was hitting ~2 inches low, at 100 yards it was hitting ~4 inches low, which was fine. The 75gr Hornady though...that was some weak sauce compared to the M855. It would probably be fine on a suppressed 10.3 or 11.5" AR SBR; it seems like it would happily run that without beating it to death. It had noticeably less oomph than the M855 stuff though (all Winchester factory ammo), and it was ~8 inches down at 100 with a can on vs ~4 inches of M855. I'll keep that stash of Hornady for my SBR ARs. Seems like it's a soft point and would probably be great at 25-75 yards anyway.

Cleaning! So yeah a good bit of carbon on the front of the bolt carrier, some on the BCG guide rods that house the recoil springs, and of course inside the stock. The bolt itself though - the face wasn't really dirty, the locking lugs weren't especially dirty (nothing a q-tip couldn't wipe off), and the bolt body was fine. Maybe 120 rounds suppressed? Not a huge amount by any means but on an AR, that would lead to some pretty decent carbon fouling on the bolt, carrier, and on the inside of the upper. I'd guesstimate this was maybe half to 1/3rd of the carbon I'd see on an AR and it cleaned up a fair bit quicker...mostly just wipe out, and worst case dampen a rag with some Hoppes #9 first, then wipe it out/off. Interestingly there was some carbon where the barrel locks into the receiver - wiped it out with rags and q-tips, I just thought it was interesting the carbon would collect there too.

Hopefully this coming weekend I can get out with it some more and shoot it more...I've got 300 rounds loaded and ready to go for it, so we'll see how it does.

And that janky Gorilla Tape deflector/protector worked just fine believe it or not...though I didn't try switching shoulders and shooting it lefty.

[El Cid]

Anyone tried these? Or even seen them in person?

https://www.cdnnsports.com/steyr-aug-30rd-556-window-polymer-magazine.html

Says: Production: Made in Bosnia and Herzegovina

[RAM Engineer]

Anyone tried these? Or even seen them in person?

https://www.cdnnsports.com/steyr-aug-30rd-556-window-polymer-magazine.html

Says: Production: Made in Bosnia and Herzegovina

"Front and rear locking lugs and reinforcements are machined from German GD ZN 410"
aka: ZAMAK...

[breakingtime91]

Over the weekend I was able to swap out the muzzle device for an AAC 51t for my M42k and put 210-ish rounds down range through it - 5 mags were M855, 2 were Hornady 75gr Interlock HD SBR 5.56 rounds; designed for SBRs and I had a couple hundred rounds of it laying around, so wanted to see how it did.

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That photo was after cleaning, btw.

First mag went to zeroing the red dot at a measured 36 yards, giving me a 36-300 zero - between 37 and like 280, the bullet will be above the point of aim; at 300 it'll be something like an inch below, though with a 16" barrel it may be less than that. I put another two mags (both M855 and the 75gr Interlock) through suppressed - no problems. Moved to the 100 yard line, verified zero of the 3x optic (not surprising it was off a little, last time I had it out I was rushing things), put a mag of Interlock through it both unsuppressed and suppressed, then the rest of the mags through it with the suppressor on to see what the shift at 100 would be. At 36 yards it was hitting ~2 inches low, at 100 yards it was hitting ~4 inches low, which was fine. The 75gr Hornady though...that was some weak sauce compared to the M855. It would probably be fine on a suppressed 10.3 or 11.5" AR SBR; it seems like it would happily run that without beating it to death. It had noticeably less oomph than the M855 stuff though (all Winchester factory ammo), and it was ~8 inches down at 100 with a can on vs ~4 inches of M855. I'll keep that stash of Hornady for my SBR ARs. Seems like it's a soft point and would probably be great at 25-75 yards anyway.

Cleaning! So yeah a good bit of carbon on the front of the bolt carrier, some on the BCG guide rods that house the recoil springs, and of course inside the stock. The bolt itself though - the face wasn't really dirty, the locking lugs weren't especially dirty (nothing a q-tip couldn't wipe off), and the bolt body was fine. Maybe 120 rounds suppressed? Not a huge amount by any means but on an AR, that would lead to some pretty decent carbon fouling on the bolt, carrier, and on the inside of the upper. I'd guesstimate this was maybe half to 1/3rd of the carbon I'd see on an AR and it cleaned up a fair bit quicker...mostly just wipe out, and worst case dampen a rag with some Hoppes #9 first, then wipe it out/off. Interestingly there was some carbon where the barrel locks into the receiver - wiped it out with rags and q-tips, I just thought it was interesting the carbon would collect there too.

Hopefully this coming weekend I can get out with it some more and shoot it more...I've got 300 rounds loaded and ready to go for it, so we'll see how it does.

And that janky Gorilla Tape deflector/protector worked just fine believe it or not...though I didn't try switching shoulders and shooting it lefty.

I'm watching your posts with interests. The bullpup concept has always intrigued me and now thst I'm getting older an easy to maneuver with and carry rifle makes sense to me.. especially the ability to handle it one handed (I have a herd of children)

[Evil_Ed]

Sadly it hasn't been all puppies and roses with the AUG...I took it out this weekend and ran 3 mags unsuppressed, 7 mags suppressed, and another mag unsuppressed. All M855; verified zero on the red dot, verified shift with the can with the red dot, then just shot a bunch for shiggles, etc.

Got it home and broke it down for cleaning, and what appears to be a not-unknown issue with newer AUGs happened to me:

Short version; the bolt sleeve bulged at a very odd spot...where the bolt/pin shouldn't be contacting it, but very clearly, it was. There was a post on arfcom unrelated to mine (that I can't find anymore) and a post on Reddit by someone else who had the same problem happen to them.

I'd add photos but the forum won't let me upload any photos, even ones that meet the 900x600, 100kb limit (and are actually smaller than that now).

Anyway - I happen to have an extra bolt sleeve from a surplus AUG kit laying around and if I had to bet, I'd say newer (post 2021) bolt sleeves are being stamped/cut a little on the tight side. While the gun functioned fine, I could tell towards the end that something was a little off; normally unsuppressed brass would pop out anywhere from 4:00 to 2:30 or so (even with my turbo jank brass deflector made out of Gorilla tape). On the last unsuppressed mag after all the suppressed shooting, brass was popping out around 1:30 or so, which was roughly the same angle that brass would fly out when shooting suppressed. Either things were bouncing off my mushy brass deflector, or it wasn't moving it's full length and it was moving too fast.

The main issue was just disassembling it; I actually had to use something to pry the bolt/sleeve out of the bolt carrier via the cam pathway cut into the top of the carrier. It was actually articulating in the carrier just fine, but it was not happy trying to come out of it.

Like I said I happen to have another bolt sleeve from one of the Malaysian kits (it's cheaper to buy one of those than it is to buy Steyr's "spare parts kit" which is entirely spare parts for the bolt assembly!!) and it dropped in just fine and just visually, the cam pathway stamped into it seemed "roomier". I really should pop the parts back out and mic them and see if they really are different dimensionally...but in the mean time, just for shiggles, I decided to see if I could file the bent one down to size, and apparently I could - 10 minutes of work and it was able to slide back into the carrier with no problems. I should clean it off and put some cold blue on it or something, but otherwise, I'm going to run it again as-is for the next range trip and see what happens.

FWIW - here are the two reddit threads -
This one happened on someone with an HBAR that bent the rear of the bolt sleeve (https://www.reddit.com/r/AUG/comments/16pqpq8/anyone_had_this_happen/)
This one, you can see the divot on the left side of the cam path, where the bolt shouldn't be touching it but clearly was (https://www.reddit.com/r/AUG/comments/ywlhvm/cam_pin_and_bolt_sleeve_damage/)

My thread on arfcom, with the photos I was going to post here but can't (https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Uh-oh-bolt-sleeve-divot/43-547045/)

Edited to add - this doesn't really bother me too much - when I first started shooting ARs suppressed, not only was it way filthier, but I'd go through firing pin retaining pins like pigs go through anything that they like to eat. They'd bend and eventually get so twisted up that they were impossible to re-seat once you spent the few minutes trying to pry them out of the carrier...or they'd simply snap and you'd have two chunks of unconnected metal in the bolt carrier, and a firing pin that put the slam into slam fires.. Always fun. Anyway - I wound up buying a KNS firing pin retaining pin (solid steel pin; not a cotter pin) which so far as seemed to solve the issue...until the next part breaks because that one didn't give...but anyway. Point is, this is my 4th AUG, and the first one with this problem...worst case I buy a couple more Malaysian kits on the cheap and have a bunch of spare bolt parts (and other parts I can hoc on gunbroker, like trigger packs, etc) for half the price of Steyr's kit.

Further edit - this could be %100 caused by suppressed shooting - I've only got a few more mags through it unsuppressed than I do suppressed...the thing is, where it's contacting, it doesn't seem like it could contact there in any part of it's function except when it's chambering a round/slamming closed in the receiver. So this is happening (seemingly) on bolt close which if anything would be less violent on a suppressed gun. Also - the only way (currently) to get another bolt sleeve is to buy the whole Steyr spare parts kit...I've been trying to get a hold of someone at Steyr to see about buying individual spare parts, but they're a small shop in the US...I keep getting their voicemail. One of these days I'll actually leave a voicemail for them and ask for them to call me back...

[helothar]

Sadly it hasn't been all puppies and roses with the AUG...I took it out this weekend and ran 3 mags unsuppressed, 7 mags suppressed, and another mag unsuppressed. All M855; verified zero on the red dot, verified shift with the can with the red dot, then just shot a bunch for shiggles, etc.

Got it home and broke it down for cleaning, and what appears to be a not-unknown issue with newer AUGs happened to me:

Short version; the bolt sleeve bulged at a very odd spot...where the bolt/pin shouldn't be contacting it, but very clearly, it was. There was a post on arfcom unrelated to mine (that I can't find anymore) and a post on Reddit by someone else who had the same problem happen to them.

I'd add photos but the forum won't let me upload any photos, even ones that meet the 900x600, 100kb limit (and are actually smaller than that now).

Anyway - I happen to have an extra bolt sleeve from a surplus AUG kit laying around and if I had to bet, I'd say newer (post 2021) bolt sleeves are being stamped/cut a little on the tight side. While the gun functioned fine, I could tell towards the end that something was a little off; normally unsuppressed brass would pop out anywhere from 4:00 to 2:30 or so (even with my turbo jank brass deflector made out of Gorilla tape). On the last unsuppressed mag after all the suppressed shooting, brass was popping out around 1:30 or so, which was roughly the same angle that brass would fly out when shooting suppressed. Either things were bouncing off my mushy brass deflector, or it wasn't moving it's full length and it was moving too fast.

The main issue was just disassembling it; I actually had to use something to pry the bolt/sleeve out of the bolt carrier via the cam pathway cut into the top of the carrier. It was actually articulating in the carrier just fine, but it was not happy trying to come out of it.

Like I said I happen to have another bolt sleeve from one of the Malaysian kits (it's cheaper to buy one of those than it is to buy Steyr's "spare parts kit" which is entirely spare parts for the bolt assembly!!) and it dropped in just fine and just visually, the cam pathway stamped into it seemed "roomier". I really should pop the parts back out and mic them and see if they really are different dimensionally...but in the mean time, just for shiggles, I decided to see if I could file the bent one down to size, and apparently I could - 10 minutes of work and it was able to slide back into the carrier with no problems. I should clean it off and put some cold blue on it or something, but otherwise, I'm going to run it again as-is for the next range trip and see what happens.

FWIW - here are the two reddit threads -
This one happened on someone with an HBAR that bent the rear of the bolt sleeve (https://www.reddit.com/r/AUG/comments/16pqpq8/anyone_had_this_happen/)
This one, you can see the divot on the left side of the cam path, where the bolt shouldn't be touching it but clearly was (https://www.reddit.com/r/AUG/comments/ywlhvm/cam_pin_and_bolt_sleeve_damage/)

My thread on arfcom, with the photos I was going to post here but can't (https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Uh-oh-bolt-sleeve-divot/43-547045/)

Edited to add - this doesn't really bother me too much - when I first started shooting ARs suppressed, not only was it way filthier, but I'd go through firing pin retaining pins like pigs go through anything that they like to eat. They'd bend and eventually get so twisted up that they were impossible to re-seat once you spent the few minutes trying to pry them out of the carrier...or they'd simply snap and you'd have two chunks of unconnected metal in the bolt carrier, and a firing pin that put the slam into slam fires.. Always fun. Anyway - I wound up buying a KNS firing pin retaining pin (solid steel pin; not a cotter pin) which so far as seemed to solve the issue...until the next part breaks because that one didn't give...but anyway. Point is, this is my 4th AUG, and the first one with this problem...worst case I buy a couple more Malaysian kits on the cheap and have a bunch of spare bolt parts (and other parts I can hoc on gunbroker, like trigger packs, etc) for half the price of Steyr's kit.

Further edit - this could be %100 caused by suppressed shooting - I've only got a few more mags through it unsuppressed than I do suppressed...the thing is, where it's contacting, it doesn't seem like it could contact there in any part of it's function except when it's chambering a round/slamming closed in the receiver. So this is happening (seemingly) on bolt close which if anything would be less violent on a suppressed gun. Also - the only way (currently) to get another bolt sleeve is to buy the whole Steyr spare parts kit...I've been trying to get a hold of someone at Steyr to see about buying individual spare parts, but they're a small shop in the US...I keep getting their voicemail. One of these days I'll actually leave a voicemail for them and ask for them to call me back...

Are you using the suppressor optimized gas plug?

[Evil_Ed]

Are you using the suppressor optimized gas plug?

Of course, with it turned to the correct setting for the situation.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/Iceg_rnEkCA?si=FjWAbN4knnyRlhpy

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[Evil_Ed]

https://youtu.be/Iceg_rnEkCA?si=FjWAbN4knnyRlhpy

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Soooooooo waiting for that...tempted to just buy a new AUG for that, but if the SBR paperwork on my current AUG comes through I'll just keep my current AUG and set up a separate NATO stock specifically for 300 - unless they come out with 300blk specific waffle mags, or 300blk AUG pmags.

A 14.5" 300blk barrel + can should be super duper extra quiet with 300blk subs...and shorter than my 9" 300blk AR SBR + can, to boot.

It might not be quieter at the ear though since the action is directly under my ear in the first place...but the noise will be the action and not the shot report.

[Evil_Ed]

And CRAP! I just realized...my NATO AUG stock that I bought in the early 2ks (when they were rare as hen's teeth) still has the hump on it. It was for A1s and A2s - not A3s. I need to either grind the hump off, or buy a new stock...

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That hump there on the bottom stock - it does fit on my A3M1 above in the photo because it doesn't have a top rail; it has the AUG SF scope on it, which doesn't interfere with the stock. However, if you have a top rail on the gun, or have an A3 or A3M1 in factory config..if you look at your stock, you'll see the hump that's circled on the black stock has been ground off. Newer stocks come that way with the hump ground off; my older stock pre-dates AUGs being manufactured in a config that would interfere with it.

I mean I could use it with the A3M1 above, but that depends on me forever using that SF optic..

[Notorious E.O.C.]

Well, damn. I'll be waving goodbye to my shooting budget as I sail right past it.

I should know by now how full of enablers this place is.

[Evil_Ed]

(copy-pasted from my post on arfcom)

...the holes strip out really easily :(

My receiver is on it's way back to Steyr for some fixing. I got a Steiner DBAL D2 in, and wanted to see how it'd work with the AUG.

I had removed the side rail on the AUG SF optic earlier, and replaced the receiver side rail with https://www.silverstarshootingsports.com/product-page/steyr-aug-a3-m1-90-degree-receiver-rail-black - a 90 degree side rail. The D2 fit on it, but man was the laser a ways off the bore in that config...I wanted to see if I could get it closer. So I took the 90 degree side rail off, and put the side scope rail back on - it WOULD work...if there were room for the throw lever. I couldn't actually get the thing onto the rail the way the throw lever is set up; the receiver was just in the way on the bottom, so...figured I'd see if it would work with the standard factory receiver side rail. I was able to thread in the rear screw, and either I crossthreaded the front screw or the threads just gave out, because the screw never even got snug...it just kept going and going and going. I wasn't aiming for anything beyond snug at this point; I wanted to see if it would fit before I broke out the torque wrench to do any actual tightening. Sigh.

So, for those of you who took off your receiver side rail, or are contemplating it - be careful with threading it back on; clean the threads on both the screw and in the receiver, make sure it's not crossthreaded, and proceed with caution when you screw it back in...

Having said that - with the A3SF scope and the Aimpoint on top, passive NV aiming is actually really nice - the Aimpoint is high enough up so NODs don't get interfered with. However, active, with illuminators and designators...gotta mount the unit(s) somehow. I'm thinking it might be better to eschew the factory optics, and just use standard top rails, and festoon that with your various optic and light/laser choices. The small side rail is great for a white light (or vampire light), while mounting a DBAL or similar unit at the front of the top rail would probably be best. Then it just becomes an issue of how to mount activation switches, and where..

[Evil_Ed]

And yay, just got a call from Herbert @ Steyr, they fixed things up and it's on the way back to me.

[LittleLebowski]

I need that .300BO AUG.

[Wondering Beard]

Some news:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb0yf7mAlMA



More details on the AUG, but in German:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxJokz5sOA

[sabre675]

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My house find. Mint, stuck in a time capsule STG77, March 1990 date code, Steyr AUG. came with original box and paperwork, GSI import box and paperwork from the late 80’s before they closed their doors after Federal Legal battle, 4-42 round mags, 4-30 round mags and all the fixins. The original owner had purchased the weapon, gotten sick and died. I don’t think it was ever shot. I had two former LEO colleagues that carried 90’s select fire AUG’s their entire career. I had shot them and always thought they were an odd duck. It wasn’t until I broke it down, I was immediately impressed with the simplicity of the firearm.4-days of watching videos and reading about the AUG and I am in a position of being convinced that it has clear advantages, even today, over many current self defense platforms. I’ve come from a place of I would never purchase one, to wanting a more current one in addition to this awesome piece, so I can add a T2 and modern white light. Incredible firearm, especially given the era it was conceptualized. 16” barrel next to my SBS Benelli and it’s still shorted… my MP5K, slightly out of photo, is shorter, but with a 5-ish Barrel. Incredible. I carry a 10.5 M16 at work, don’t see this changing.. but the AUG is more balanced and has some big advantages over the stoner design. Handicaps as well. Cheers…

[Wondering Beard]

Long but worth it.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN6S5Rce_MY

[Wyoming Shooter]

I have a new AUG on the way. I also purchased the suppressor gas regulator and some extra mags. I am totally new to the AUG and have a couple questions:

1. Is the trigger so awful that I should just order an aftermarket replacement now? Wait and see? What's the best option out there?

2. Can I use a standard Vickers 2 point sling?

3. Aside from an optic, is there anything else I "need"?

Thanks much.

[ReverendMeat]

I have a new AUG on the way. I also purchased the suppressor gas regulator and some extra mags. I am totally new to the AUG and have a couple questions:

1. Is the trigger so awful that I should just order an aftermarket replacement now? Wait and see? What's the best option out there?

2. Can I use a standard Vickers 2 point sling?

3. Aside from an optic, is there anything else I "need"?

Thanks much.

1. Wait and see. There are different options that change different things. I'm happy with my own Cleetus-style fix, for the price of free
2. I don't see why not but using the front sling swivel is annoying.
3. https://gearheadworks.com/product/aug-flex-swivel/ Re: slings, this is the best solution I've found. Mine is all stock minus this and the manticore extended magazine release. Besides the sling swivel I wouldn't recommend automatically upgrading anything until you mess around with the gun awhile to find out exactly what annoys you and why

[nalesq]

Regarding the trigger. After years of hearing how terrible the AUG trigger is, when I finally got one it was not as bad as I had imagined, especially compared to most standard military triggers. I mean, it’s for sure on the heavy side, but it did not practically limit the accuracy of the weapon in any meaningful way. All it really did is make it a bit harder to get consistent jailbait splits at close range, although to me the recoil impulse was such where the trigger actually helped me to not outrun my headlights, so to speak. But if jailbait splits are a priority, then the AUG is the wrong weapon anyway.

Steyr makes a reduced power trigger spring kit (it’s painted red in color) which, when available, is around $50-60 or something like that. Installing this seemed to shave a few pounds off the trigger weight. I would suggest just going with that.


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[Caballoflaco]

I’m with nalesq on the trigger. It’s not “great” but I don’t think it’s bad at all. I’ve had no problem with the standard trigger getting hits out to 400 yards with a comp m3 and 3x magnifier on smaller than c-zone targets.

[Andy T]

I have a new AUG on the way. I also purchased the suppressor gas regulator and some extra mags. I am totally new to the AUG and have a couple questions:

1. Is the trigger so awful that I should just order an aftermarket replacement now? Wait and see? What's the best option out there?

2. Can I use a standard Vickers 2 point sling?

3. Aside from an optic, is there anything else I "need"?

Thanks much.

I find the trigger pretty decent. I wouldn't spend money until you use it for a bit.

I use a magpul sling mount behind the aimpoint. It makes the rifle very convenient and leaves the charging handle un-impeded.

Flashlight mounting is one area that is a challenge. I would still wait until you use a rifle before buying more stuff. The only other thing I keep coming back to is a longer handguard/rail to make flashlight attachment easier.
Here is how mine is setup right now:
https://i.imgur.com/O2ym5CL.jpg

[spyderco monkey]

Flashlight mounting is one area that is a challenge.

I really love the PupLight Mount on mine. Mounts any 1" diameter tactical light (Surefire, Malkoff, Modlite, Armytek etc) to the gas block, perfectly positioned to be activated by the thumb when using the VFG. Mounted in this way there is also no barrel shadow. It feels very organic to the AUG, almost like it was factory designed for it.

http://battlefieldinnovations.com/own-it.html

Here it is on my AUG:

https://i.ibb.co/fxyDCpN/Steyr-AUG-3-X-SF-Pup-Light.jpg

[Wyoming Shooter]

I have my new AUG in hand. Some initial impressions and a question:

1. This rifle is very compact. I need to do some side-by-side comparisons but, I think it's shorter than my 11.5" AR SBR.

2. The trigger is not horrible. I'll get some rounds through it before making any changes.

3. The front sling swivel is poorly placed and inevitably will conflict with the charging handle. I plan to replace with a Magpul RSA QD mount.

4. Although this is a "plastic" gun, it doesn't feel cheap. In fact, it subjectively feels solid.

5. The AUG balances well in the hand.

6. The 42-round magazines may be too long for most purposes.

7. The safety is well-placed but has some wicked sharp edges.

8. I don't know for sure but, I think this may be a 1/9 twist barrel. If so, heavier bullets may be problematic.

My question: The barrel is threaded just in front of the gas piston assembly. What's that for?

[nalesq]

My question: The barrel is threaded just in front of the gas piston assembly. What's that for?

I believe the threads are for mounting a bayonet lug adapter or grenade launcher to the AUG.


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[Gadfly]

I have my new AUG in hand. Some initial impressions and a question:


7. The safety is well-placed but has some wicked sharp edges.



several companies make a more rounded off/ergonomic safety switch.

https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-safeties-parts/sbf-safety-selector-switch-for-steyr-aug/

Of course, 30 seconds with a fine file or emery board would also round off those sharp corners for free.

[spyderco monkey]

I have my new AUG in hand. Some initial impressions and a question:

1. This rifle is very compact. I need to do some side-by-side comparisons but, I think it's shorter than my 11.5" AR SBR.

6. The 42-round magazines may be too long for most purposes.

My question: The barrel is threaded just in front of the gas piston assembly. What's that for?

1. My 16" AR is 34.625" with the stock clicked in one position and A2 FH.

16" AUG is 28" with Tulip FH, would probably be 27.5" with a A2 length FH.

CZ Scorpion 7.78" 9mm with brace collapsed is 24.25"

So the 16" AUG is actually closer in size to a 9mm SMG then it is to a normal 16" AR. Really the true embodiment of the Sturmgewehr concept - having the handling and firepower of a SMG with the power and range of a rifle.

6. The 42rd mag is 9.25" long, the standard 30rd 7.62 AK mag is 9" long. Fun fact, 42rd seems weird, but actually 5x42 = 7x30 = 210rd.

For me its the default magazine, and I consider it one of the main advantages of the platform - having extra capacity while remaining unobtrusive due to the longer mag being tucked in closer to the body.

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The threading on the barrel is primarily for attaching the bayonet mount, which is screw on. Like all things AUG, the Bayonet mount is modular - you have the option of no mount, one mount for normal NATO bayonets, another which mounts the Glock field knife.

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/bayonets-trench-knives-world/1471629d1609695165-slovenian-spartan-assault-rifle-bayonet-5020.jpg?

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/bayonets-trench-knives-world/1471628d1609695149-slovenian-spartan-assault-rifle-bayonet-5018.jpg?

https://i.ibb.co/6R5sqLN/cchax8sj42371.png

[Wyoming Shooter]

The notion of a grenade launcher or bayonet is intriguing but, probably not of much use here in the Big Empty.

Have any of you experimented with 75 - 77 grain bullets? I'm thinking given the 1/9 twist that 55 or 62 may fly better.

I'm looking at the Trijicon Credo HX 1-6x24 or the Delta Stryker 1-6x24 unless someone has a better idea. Shots around here could range out to 600 yards. One never knows.

Suggestions for a 30 mm QD mount? I've used Midwest Industries previously but, it's been a couple years.

Thanks again!

[kwb377]

I picked up a used A3M1 a week or so ago, painted by previous owner. I pulled the RT-6 off an AR for now to have an optic on it, may go with something else in the future.

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I didn't like the 1.5" height of the Larue mount, trying some 1.25" rings now (and just ordered a 1.4" mount to try). Swapped the Gearhead Works charging handle for a Manticore (better angle, doesn't fold against the receiver/rail when locked open), and added the Corvis Defensio forward rail...an expensive solution for mounting a light, should have just ordered the Pup Light mount. I tried it suppressed with my KGM R-556 can, but even with the suppressor plug I was getting alot more gas on the face than I want. I also rounded the edges on the safety with a file/sandpaper.

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Suggestions for a 30 mm QD mount? I've used Midwest Industries previously but, it's been a couple years.


The issue I found with the Larue QD mount is that the levers interfere with operating the charging handle. I was able to find a sweet-spot where my finger would land between the levers when manipulating the handle, but it placed the rings where I couldn't get proper eye relief. I decided that since I won't be mounting back-up irons, having QD isn't a requirement for me.

[Wondering Beard]

I didn't like the 1.5" height of the Larue mount, trying some 1.25" rings now (and just ordered a 1.4" mount to try).

IIRC, AUGs work best with HK height sights rather than AR height sights.

Somewhere waaaaay up this thread, I asked DB about that and I believe HK height was his answer. This is several years ago, as in pre-covid.

[Wyoming Shooter]

IIRC, AUGs work best with HK height sights rather than AR height sights.

Somewhere waaaaay up this thread, I asked DB about that and I believe HK height was his answer. This is several years ago, as in pre-covid.

So, what is that in inches?

[GJM]

So, what is that in inches?

Scalarworks offers a 1.42 Aimpoint micro mount, which I believe is for the HK416 and AUG.

[Wondering Beard]

So, what is that in inches?

I don't know as most sites selling the sights just wrote HK or AR in the description.

I will assume that GJM is correct.

[WobblyPossum]

Scalarworks offers a 1.42 Aimpoint micro mount, which I believe is for the HK416 and AUG.

I believe 1.42” is absolute cowitness height for a standard AR.

[HCM]

I believe 1.42” is absolute cowitness height for a standard AR.

1.54” is absolute co-witness for a standard AR.

[WobblyPossum]

1.54” is absolute co-witness for a standard AR.

I’m pretty sure the 1.54”-1.57” optic heights are around lower 1/3 co-witness. I’ve used the 1.42” Scalarworks Micro mount and it delivered absolute co-witness with two different types of Magpul BUIS. The Larue Micro mount that’s meant for HK height is also noticeable shorter than the Scalarworks 1.42” mount.

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I’m pretty sure the 1.54”-1.57” optic heights are around lower 1/3 co-witness. I’ve used the 1.42” Scalarworks Micro mount and it delivered absolute co-witness with two different types of Magpul BUIS. The Larue Micro mount that’s meant for HK height is also noticeable shorter than the Scalarworks 1.42” mount.Typically, the ~1.54" mounts are labeled as absolute. The problem is that there's not an actual standard for each height, so there are plenty of companies besides Scalarworks that also go with the ~1.4" height as absolute, such as Geissele, Bobro, etc., and say that ~1.54" is lower 1/3rd. LaRue has their absolute cowitness at 1.40", but their lower 1/3rd at 1.64".

In terms of HK416 height, FWIW, the LaRue LT660HK is 1.31", and is suppose to give a lower 1/3rd cowitness for the HK416 according to LaRue.

[breakingtime91]

Typically, the ~1.54" mounts are labeled as absolute. The problem is that there's not an actual standard for each height, so there are plenty of companies besides Scalarworks that also go with the ~1.4" height as absolute, such as Geissele, Bobro, etc., and say that ~1.54" is lower 1/3rd.

I find 1.7 to be an ideal height on ARs but hardly anyone makes it.

I like tall mounts for shooting up right but for anything realistic in a real gun fight with a rifle (kneeling, awkward positions, prone, etc) I find them lacking and to expose my face and head too much

[spyderco monkey]

IIRC, AUGs work best with HK height sights rather than AR height sights.

Somewhere waaaaay up this thread, I asked DB about that and I believe HK height was his answer. This is several years ago, as in pre-covid.

This is no longer true.

Back in the day, the initial A3's had the 'military high rail' which needed shorter sights due to the height of the rail relative to the stock:

https://www.steyr-arms.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/AUGA3_DSC0172.png

This is no longer the case. The current A3M1 rail to stock height is basically identical in height to the AR15 rail relative to a fixed stock.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-yqqkx/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/462837/478983/aug_m1_grn_long_fl_r_with_mag__98618.1635533773.jp g?c=2?imbypass=on

Likewise, due to the sideways gas piston, the AUG has ~ same height over bore as the AR15; much less HOB then other piston rifles like the SCAR or Tavor.

So just run your normal AR optics and ballistic calculations.

[Wondering Beard]

This is no longer true.

Back in the day, the initial A3's had the 'military high rail' which needed shorter sights due to the height of the rail relative to the stock:

https://www.steyr-arms.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/AUGA3_DSC0172.png

This is no longer the case. The current A3M1 rail to stock height is basically identical in height to the AR15 rail relative to a fixed stock.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-yqqkx/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/462837/478983/aug_m1_grn_long_fl_r_with_mag__98618.1635533773.jp g?c=2?imbypass=on

Likewise, due to the sideways gas piston, the AUG has ~ same height over bore as the AR15; much less HOB then other piston rifles like the SCAR or Tavor.

So just run your normal AR optics and ballistic calculations.

Thank you, I didn't know that.

It looks like the A3 M2 version will again require smaller sights, right?



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[spyderco monkey]

Thank you, I didn't know that.

It looks like the A3 M2 version will again require smaller sights, right?



Sort of.

If you were running strictly irons, shorter sights might make sense.

But if talking Irons + RDS, its the height of the RDS that dictates whether the sights are cowitness or 1/3; the height of the rail has no effect on the RDS/Irons height relationship.

Where that tall rail will be a bummer I think is with a ACOG w/ Piggy back RMR; hopefully they mill an integral ACOG mount groove into the rail like Corvus does to allow lower mounting.

[Dov]

I'm slowly working my way through this thread, I've long been interested in bullpups.

Wondering what the short list of cons of the AUG platform are beyond limitations of bullpup trigggers?

[nalesq]

I'm slowly working my way through this thread, I've long been interested in bullpups.

Wondering what the short list of cons of the AUG platform are beyond limitations of bullpup trigggers?

It’s kind of expensive. It sucks for ambi use, like switching shoulders on the fly or handing it off to a lefty. It’s hard to mount anything other than a sling, optic, and light, and the light and sling placement is very limited. If you want to shoot it suppressed, you have to get a special gas plug. The barrel has some weird Euro thread pattern that limits muzzle attachment options. Spare parts are expensive and can be hard to get. Mag changes are slower. It’s harder to shoot fast splits well, not just because of the trigger but also because of the recoil impulse.

Those are the cons I’ve discovered, but to me the pros make it worthwhile.


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[nalesq]

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[spyderco monkey]

I'm slowly working my way through this thread, I've long been interested in bullpups.

Wondering what the short list of cons of the AUG platform are beyond limitations of bullpup trigggers?

The primary con is that even brief exposure to the AUG can result in the patient developing AUGtism, an incurable disease that causes the sufferer to spend unlimited amounts of money on ever more arcane aug accessories.

[Andy T]

It’s kind of expensive. It sucks for ambi use, like switching shoulders on the fly or handing it off to a lefty. It’s hard to mount anything other than a sling, optic, and light, and the light and sling placement is very limited. If you want to shoot it suppressed, you have to get a special gas plug. The barrel has some weird Euro thread pattern that limits muzzle attachment options. Spare parts are expensive and can be hard to get. Mag changes are slower. It’s harder to shoot fast splits well, not just because of the trigger but also because of the recoil impulse.

Those are the cons I’ve discovered, but to me the pros make it worthwhile.


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Current production AUGs come with standard barrel threads for U.S. You don't have to get the suppressor gas plug. However, it is recommended.

[fatdog]

Wondering what the short list of cons of the AUG platform are beyond limitations of bullpup trigggers?

owned one for a decade, and this is just my list

-gas in the face, true for every bullpup, they are certainly no worse than others
-I could never get the hang of using the vertical foregrip
-hard to place a tape switch for a light, which I prefer on long guns
-I had the A3 nato version that took standard AR mags, big mistake, it alters the trigger bar mechanism and all the trigger fixes like the tamer, ratworx sear, etc. that work on standard aug mag versions will not work correctly
-took a torch to burn off the thread locker on the flash hider (I know, no big deal to some)
-I could only find 1/9 twist barrels during my ownership of the rifle, I like heaver bullets but mine would not stabilize 75 or 77gr bullets well
-to get my head/eyes in the right place the scope mount had to be very high, leading to a bigger offset calculation, that was a different hold POA than all my AR platforms, just the solution I ended up with at least, I hated remembering a different holdover for one rifle...

It is a solid rifle. I would trust one completely, but ergos are very different from conventional AR type rifles. I had ergonomic and gas to the face complaints about the Tavor and the Bushmaster Edenpine bullpups I owned, although they ran well, they had even more issues for me than the AUG. If I were forced to pick a bullpup the AUG would be the least problematic for me.

[Caballoflaco]

I'm slowly working my way through this thread, I've long been interested in bullpups.

Wondering what the short list of cons of the AUG platform are beyond limitations of bullpup trigggers?

In addition to other complaints: Field carry in the non-dominant hand, or carrying/moving the gun without grabbing the the pistol grip kinda sucks or might lead to fingers/hand near the trigger.

[LittleLebowski]

I'm slowly working my way through this thread, I've long been interested in bullpups.

Wondering what the short list of cons of the AUG platform are beyond limitations of bullpup trigggers?

Reloads aren't super lightning-AR-fast, weak hand shooting gas to the face.

[Wyoming Shooter]

I sent the first rounds down range from my new AUG this morning. Some initial thoughts:

1. This rifle is incredibly compact - 28" with ASR flash hider and 31.5" with Saker 556K suppressor.

2. Removing the OEM flash hider requires a liberal application of heat via propane torch.

3. The trigger measures 8 lbs 0.2 oz and is long. I will investigate the Steyr spring kit.

4. I test fired using some Speer Lawman 55 grain FMJ. It ran at 3053 FPS and shot into 1.71 MOA for 11 shots. I will test some 75 and 77 grain loads next.

5. I'm leaning toward the Delta Stryker 1-6X24. It seems like a good match for this little rifle.

All in all, I'm liking it.

[Wyoming Shooter]

Here are some results from this weekend. All factory ammo. 10 shot groups. + 35 to +45 degrees F.

Speer Lawman 55 grain MV 3053

Hornady TAP 55 grain MV 2965

Fed M193 55 grain FMJ MV 2911

Creedmoor Sports 77 grain TMK MV 2638

Fed GMM 77 grain MV 2380

IMI 77 grain OTM MV 2735

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[Chuck Whitlock]

Of all the bullpups I've seen, the AUG is the only one that I like the looks of, and have been contemplating purchasing.
I was at a shop yesterday that had one on the wall.

Bad news - with my T-rex wingspan, my shooting arm was nearly at full extension when I shouldered it. Might even be unusable with body armor or a heavy coat.

Good news - I just saved $2000, and it appears I can get into an SBR'd AR in 6.5 for much less, including the tax stamp.

[Coyotesfan97]

Reloads aren't super lightning-AR-fast, weak hand shooting gas to the face.

There a technique to reloading where you grab the new mag, use it to press the mag release, and insert as the old mag drops. I worked with a couple guys who’d carried them for years. They had pretty fast reloads.

[HCM]

The NEW Steyr AUG is Here! The AUG A3 M2 is in the USA



https://youtu.be/ELfTbtI5sTE?si=3uM_eViJgVK2bTmL



The NEW Steyr AUG is Here!@JamesReeves accidentally gives Steyr's next-gen AUG its official name in this video! James speaks with Brian Marshall of the Steyr Academy about the upcoming Steyr AUG A3 M2. The Steyr AUG A3 M2 has already been released in Europe, but it's coming to the US. The main differences here involve changes to the receiver that allow for a longer optic rail and a quick-disconnect and modular handguard design. The new upper receiver that accommodates the handguard and redesigned optic rail is new, but it is 100% compatible with AUG A3 M1 stock grups/lower receiver that allow for a longer optic rail and a quick-disconnect and modular handguard design. The new upper receiver that accommodates the handguard and redesigned optic rail is new, but it is 100% compatible with AUG A3 M1 stock grups/lower receivers.

[HeavyDuty]

The NEW Steyr AUG is Here! The AUG A3 M2 is in the USA



https://youtu.be/ELfTbtI5sTE?si=3uM_eViJgVK2bTmL

You mean gas cutting your support hand when you do something stupid wasn’t a feature?

[backtrail540]

While James Reeves seems like the douchiest of douches and i generally can't stand his videos - from what i could muster through, the new Aug looks great to me. It's hard for me to sell non ar's to myself when i handle them, as the ar pattern has controls in all the right places (or i'm just used to them) but i would still like to handle one of these and prove myself wrong.

[Wyoming Shooter]

I'm still so new to the AUG that I don't know what I don't know. One thing that I do know is that it's a compact package. Here it is standing next to a 16" SIG MCX.

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[HeavyDuty]

I see Steyr has .300 BK barrels in stock…

[HeavyDuty]

I broke down and ordered a Manticore folding charging handle and a Corvus Defensio shell deflector. This thing is done, but I’d still like to cobble up a way of putting objective covers on the 3x.

[GJM]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2024/04/24/arex-steyr-now-owned-czech-rsbc-investment-group/

[Exiledviking]

Well, once again hanging out on this forum has cost me a big chunk of change. I have 20" Steyr AUG A3 M1 USR in black en route to my dealer. Now I'm trying to figure which optic to put on it and which light to install. I'm leaning heavily towards the Aimpoint Duty RDS and possibly a Streamlight light with a built-in green laser.
I appreciate all of the great info in this thread as it helped in selecting the non-NATO stock version and finding the options for improving the trigger (I'm going to order the red Steyr hammer and sear springs).

[Exiledviking]

Do the Steyr AUGs run OK on the PMC Bronze .223 FMJ ammunition?

I forgot to include a picture. Here's the vendor's picture. Due to living in California, this is how it has to be configured in order for me to buy one.

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[HeavyDuty]

Do the Steyr AUGs run OK on the PMC Bronze .223 FMJ ammunition?

I forgot to include a picture. Here's the vendor's picture. Due to living in California, this is how it has to be configured in order for me to buy one.

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I’m sure glad they made it safe like that. (Rolls eyes)

I haven’t found any commercial 55 gr 5.56 or .223 my AUG hasn’t liked, but I don’t have a high round count through mine.

[HeavyDuty]

V1 Tactical has the suppressor gas plugs in stock.

[awmp]

Palmetto has this deal - Steyr Aug A3 M1 .300AAC Rifle w/ Steyr Optic & Steyr Aug 20" Interchangeable .223/5.56 Barrel.

Not really thrilled about the factory optic.

I would like to get it but would rather have a shorter .223 barrel, you think it would be hard to work out a trade with someone or just sell it maybe? Not sure how much a .223 16" barrel would cost.

Thoughts?
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[helothar]

Palmetto has this deal - Steyr Aug A3 M1 .300AAC Rifle w/ Steyr Optic & Steyr Aug 20" Interchangeable .223/5.56 Barrel.

Not really thrilled about the factory optic.

I would like to get it but would rather have a shorter .223 barrel, you think it would be hard to work out a trade with someone or just sell it maybe? Not sure how much a .223 16" barrel would cost.

Thoughts?
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PSA also has the flat top receiver with no optic for $1500
https://palmettostatearmory.com/steyr-arm-aug-a3-m1-223-rem-5-56-semi-automatic-ar-15-rifle-w-extended-rail-augm1blkext.html

add a 300 blackout barrel from steyr for $600 (looks like they do not have black right now but they have green)
https://steyr-arms.us/product/aug-300-aac-blackout-barrel/

[awmp]

Sounds like the way to go, but I'm wanting the NATO blk version.

I also saw/heard a new Aug version was coming out, worth the wait?



PSA also has the flat top receiver with no optic for $1500
https://palmettostatearmory.com/steyr-arm-aug-a3-m1-223-rem-5-56-semi-automatic-ar-15-rifle-w-extended-rail-augm1blkext.html

add a 300 blackout barrel from steyr for $600 (looks like they do not have black right now but they have green)
https://steyr-arms.us/product/aug-300-aac-blackout-barrel/

[helothar]

Sounds like the way to go, but I'm wanting the NATO blk version.

I also saw/heard a new Aug version was coming out, worth the wait?

Fwiw I think the PSA bundle is not the nato version, steyr has special black magazines for 300 blk that work with the regular waffle mag well.

I haven't paid too much attention to the new aug other than having the video on in the background while I was doing something else. From what I remember the top rail looked nice, but I'd want to make sure I could still access the gas block for suppressed shooting and didn't lose the quick change barrel option (they might have addressed this in the james reeves video but I wasn't paying super close attention)

[kwb377]

I would like to get it but would rather have a shorter .223 barrel, you think it would be hard to work out a trade with someone or just sell it maybe? Not sure how much a .223 16" barrel would cost.


Shouldn't be too hard to find someone on the various forums that would want to trade or buy it outright. MGW has 16" barrels for $525 ($498 if you qualify for their Mil/First Responder discount)

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/ssearch.html?Search=aug+barrel

[Exiledviking]

Palmetto has this deal - Steyr Aug A3 M1 .300AAC Rifle w/ Steyr Optic & Steyr Aug 20" Interchangeable .223/5.56 Barrel.

Not really thrilled about the factory optic.

I would like to get it but would rather have a shorter .223 barrel, you think it would be hard to work out a trade with someone or just sell it maybe? Not sure how much a .223 16" barrel would cost.

Thoughts?
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Steyr USA is having a sale on their barrels. $449 plus S&H for the 14.5", 16", and 20" 5.56x45 barrels.
Rumor on Reddit has it that Steyr is currently testing 1/7 twist barrels for production including a 20" heavy marksmans profile barrel. One poster said he's shot that barrel and it's sub-MOA with 77 gr bullets.

[HeavyDuty]

I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.

[HCM]

I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.
I do not need a 20” 5.56 barrel.

You don’t need a 1/9 20” barrel when 1/7 are coming.

[HeavyDuty]

You don’t need a 1/9 20” barrel when 1/7 are coming.

That is the truth. I was able to resist getting a .300 BK barrel, too.

[LittleLebowski]

It's on the way.

https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/.300-aac-blackout-caliber-conversion-kit-for-steyr-aug-a3m1/

[helothar]

It's on the way.

https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/.300-aac-blackout-caliber-conversion-kit-for-steyr-aug-a3m1/

why did you end up going with the heresy over the steyr?

[Wyoming Shooter]

I spent April 25 -28, 2024 at Steyr HQ in Bessemer, AL and with Steyr staff at Talladega Marksmanship Park. This was time very well spent. Here are some high points:

HQ/Factory Visit I spent several hours at Steyr HQ and factory in Bessemer, AL. The facility is what you would expect - modern, clean, and efficient. 1/7 twist 223 barrels are in production. The hamer forged barrels are contoured and chambered in Bessemer. 300 BO barrels are also in production. Steyr spent considerable time ensuring that these barrels will work well with all 300 BO ammo - both sub and supersonic. I shot some 300 BO from a suppressed AUG and it is very, very quiet - especially with the gas system shut off. Good stuff.

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AUG Armorer I also took the half-day AUG Armorer class instructed by Brian Marshall. I highly recommend taking this class from Brian if you're an AUG guy. Brian knows the AUG inside and out and presents the material in a very professional way. Being new to the AUG, I was greatly impressed by the modularity of this rifle. It has features well ahead of its time. As for recommended modifications, several are worthwhile. First, get the red spring kit from Steyr. It will drop trigger weight 2 - 3 lbs ish. I also suggest a new charging handle from Manticore or Corvus Defensio. The Corvus can be tricky to install. Both work. You might also consider the Corvus case deflector and mag release - although they are far from necessary.

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RDS/Laser Brian also instructed a half-day pistol RDS/Laser class. Brian made an interesting argument for pistols to be fitted with iron sights and a light/laser combination. He made some good points that I plan to test further on my home range.

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AUG Operator The 2-day AUG Operator class was the high point. If I recall correctly, we had 12 ish students of various ages and abilities. We covered all the essentials first and then went to the fun stuff - movers, long distance, etc. The AUG has upsides and downsides vis a vis the AR. Some malfunctions are clearly easier to clear in an AUG. Mag changes in the AUG are slower. The AUG has a much more compact form factor. The AUG mags are very robust - although I found the 42 round mag to be a bit too tall when in prone. We had a metric butt load of AUGS - see below. All in all, an excellent class.

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Some times, I just get lucky. 600 yard target with 55 grain blasting ammo from 16" 1/9 twist barrel. X ring is 6".

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The class was conducted at CMP Talladega Marksmanship Park: https://thecmp.org/ranges/talladega-marksmanship-park/. This is a truly excellent facility. Mandatory disclaimer: I serve on the CMP board of directors.

Steyr is doing some great things. I highly recommend you look to Steyr and the AUG for quality products and training.

[kwb377]

Nice write-up. [emoji106]

I'm signed up for the AUG Operator's course later this month. Brian offered the Armorer's Course with an LE discount for the following Monday, but I'm unable to take off work.



Is this a retail display at their HQ available that's available to the public, or just storage for warranty and website sales? I'm local (across town) to them but have never been by their place.


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[Wyoming Shooter]

Nice write-up. [emoji106]

I'm signed up for the AUG Operator's course later this month. Brian offered the Armorer's Course with an LE discount for the following Monday, but I'm unable to take off work.

Is this a retail display at their HQ available that's available to the public, or just storage for warranty and website sales? I'm local (across town) to them but have never been by their place.

No retail sales at Steyr HQ. AUG assembly, warranty work, etc are done from the facility. You'll learn a lot from Brian. Enjoy!

[LittleLebowski]

why did you end up going with the heresy over the steyr?

Couldn’t get anything else.

[HeavyDuty]

Shot the AUG Saturday with the new gas plug. I was worried I wouldn’t be able to quickly tell the plugs apart, but it’s easy - the suppressed one has a scalloped edge. Scalloped = suppressed.

It was a quick session, so only about 50 rounds of XM193 suppressed through a YHM Turbo T3. I have the retro donut of death 1.5x, and I noticed minimal POI change between suppressed and unsuppressed.

The manual of arms is different enough from an AR that this will never be more than a toy for me. But a very fun toy.

[HeavyDuty]

Steyr red springs - yea or nay? The trigger was bothering me Saturday, I’m developing a tremor and the trigger weight didn’t help matters. Not quite two men and a small boy country, but getting close.

[Wyoming Shooter]

Steyr red springs - yea or nay? The trigger was bothering me Saturday, I’m developing a tremor and the trigger weight didn’t help matters. Not quite two men and a small boy country, but getting close.

Yes, absolutely. It dropped the trigger weight in my AUG considerably. Also, you'll find the trigger improves a bit with round count.

[LittleLebowski]

Still interested in a factory .300 BO AUG if anyone sees one.

[Exiledviking]

Still interested in a factory .300 BO AUG if anyone sees one.

Would this work? Steyr AUG A3 M1 .300AAC rifle W/ Steyr 1.5x optic & Steyr AUG 20" Interchangeable .223/5.56 barrel for $1999.99. Perhaps sell the .223 barrel for $300 to offset the price?
https://palmettostatearmory.com/steyr-aug-a3-m1-300-blackout-16-30rd-rifle-w-1-5x-steyr-optic-augm1blkext300sp2.html

[kwb377]

Steyr red springs - yea or nay? The trigger was bothering me Saturday, I’m developing a tremor and the trigger weight didn’t help matters. Not quite two men and a small boy country, but getting close.

I initially installed the 20/20 sear and it eliminated most of the take-up and all the over travel of my factory trigger. A few weeks later I installed the red springs and it dropped the pull weight from @ 9 lbs. to just under 6 lbs. So far, I'm loving this combination.

[Wyoming Shooter]

https://youtu.be/IGIH4BzAOYk?si=ipvGjxRoDqSsTvdc

[LittleLebowski]

Would this work? Steyr AUG A3 M1 .300AAC rifle W/ Steyr 1.5x optic & Steyr AUG 20" Interchangeable .223/5.56 barrel for $1999.99. Perhaps sell the .223 barrel for $300 to offset the price?
https://palmettostatearmory.com/steyr-aug-a3-m1-300-blackout-16-30rd-rifle-w-1-5x-steyr-optic-augm1blkext300sp2.html

Yup, bought it 😎

[GJM]

I ordered a barrel ($599) from Steyr. I picked it in color "mud" to easily differentiate from 5.56.

The video suggests a lot of cleaning is required. Hope that is not true shooting Barnes's 110 supersonic in modest quantities and no subs.

[HeavyDuty]

I put the red spring kit in this morning. Huge difference - it went from 11.5# down to 8.

[Exiledviking]

I put the red spring kit in this morning. Huge difference - it went from 11.5# down to 8.

Like you I noticed a huge difference in the trigger pull yesterday after I installed the red springs and added some dry graphite to the trigger pack. This YouTube video made the installation very easy and a 5 minute job with just a punch. Highly recommend the Steyr red springs. https://youtu.be/VDm0-wqPwc0?si=eTLIVv1lpsMYWRyu

I also adjusted the trigger bar pre-travel and that seemed to help the feel of the trigger.

[Paul D]

I used the Rat Worx sear. In my A3, I had to Dremel a bit to allow for clearance. Average trigger pull is about 6.2 lbs per my Lyman electronic gauge. I tried the play with the springs, but it would ignite the primer reliably for me. I think it's an either/or but not both thing.

[LittleLebowski]

Would this work? Steyr AUG A3 M1 .300AAC rifle W/ Steyr 1.5x optic & Steyr AUG 20" Interchangeable .223/5.56 barrel for $1999.99. Perhaps sell the .223 barrel for $300 to offset the price?
https://palmettostatearmory.com/steyr-aug-a3-m1-300-blackout-16-30rd-rifle-w-1-5x-steyr-optic-augm1blkext300sp2.html

So, it runs on .300Bo supers and my homebrew 220gr subs, using Magpul AUG PMAGs (https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/magazines/rifle-magazines-parts/aug-pmag-30-gen-m3-window/). Steyr AUG 5.56 mags, and Steyr factory .300BO mags.

I'm really pleased, this is an amazing deal for anyone looking to get into AUGs. The optic is German and very sturdy feeling and clear. With its German #4-like reticle, I was able to mount a can (Dead Air Sandman Ti) and hit a soda can offhand at 35 yards with a supersonic round.

[Exiledviking]

I used the Rat Worx sear. I tried the play with the springs, but it would ignite the primer reliably for me. I think it's an either/or but not both thing.

I did a lot of reading and watching YouTube videos before spending money on trying to improve the trigger, and what you're saying about either/or was what I kept seeing too.

I'll be testing those springs this weekend whole zeroing the Aimpoint Duty RDS on my rifle. Or is it a carbine...?

[HeavyDuty]

So far I’m happy enough with the red springs and replacement trigger that I think I’m done with the FCG. I did break down and order an oversize magazine release, I was getting annoyed with the stock one.

[Exiledviking]

So far I’m happy enough with the red springs and replacement trigger that I think I’m done with the FCG.

Replacement trigger? What did you end up with? An Arid?

[HeavyDuty]

Replacement trigger? What did you end up with? An Arid?

I couldn't remember the name, but that’s it!

[JRB]

So, it runs on .300Bo supers and my homebrew 220gr subs, using Magpul AUG PMAGs (https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/magazines/rifle-magazines-parts/aug-pmag-30-gen-m3-window/). Steyr AUG 5.56 mags, and Steyr factory .300BO mags.

I'm really pleased, this is an amazing deal for anyone looking to get into AUGs. The optic is German and very sturdy feeling and clear. With its German #4-like reticle, I was able to mount a can (Dead Air Sandman Ti) and hit a soda can offhand at 35 yards with a supersonic round.

Shame you posted pics of it in the sweaty arm pit of internet arms discussion, instead of posting pics of it here! :)

[RealSelf]

RDS/Laser Brian also instructed a half-day pistol RDS/Laser class. Brian made an interesting argument for pistols to be fitted with iron sights and a light/laser combination. He made some good points that I plan to test further on my home range.


Interesting comment, are you able to share any further comments on this argument? I'm definitely interested as I still haven't made the RDS plunge and for some reason keep finding myself hesitating for the last 10 years. Maybe I'm onto something I can't explain, lol.

[Wyoming Shooter]

Interesting comment, are you able to share any further comments on this argument? I'm definitely interested as I still haven't made the RDS plunge and for some reason keep finding myself hesitating for the last 10 years. Maybe I'm onto something I can't explain, lol.

Here's my rough rendition of Brian's presentation:

Target focus is good in a gun fight. Both the RDS and visible laser allow target focus. However, the RDS requires the gun to be at eye level. The laser allows the gun to be in other, non-conventional, positions. The laser also is effective to gain compliance of suspects being held at gun point. The laser does have some distance limits dependent on lighting, vegetation, etc. When the laser is not visible, the operator can then resort to iron sights. All fighting pistols should be equipped with a light. The Olight combination laser/light works well and fits most duty holsters. ELN

[HCM]

Here's my rough rendition of Brian's presentation:

Target focus is good in a gun fight. Both the RDS and visible laser allow target focus. However, the RDS requires the gun to be at eye level. The laser allows the gun to be in other, non-conventional, positions. The laser also is effective to gain compliance of suspects being held at gun point. The laser does have some distance limits dependent on lighting, vegetation, etc. When the laser is not visible, the operator can then resort to iron sights. All fighting pistols should be equipped with a light. The Olight combination laser/light works well and fits most duty holsters. ELN

Eh... I almost wish you hadn't posted this ^ as I was interested in the AUG class but some this ^ makes me question the non pistol material.

The unconventional position thing and the "compliance" thing are niche uses at best.

We've experimented with light laser combos, and for even a institutionally trained shooter sights (iron or RDS) are faster than lasers and the pistol mounted light laser combos had issues maintaining zero. There was some advantage to laser over irons in low light but it shakes out as RDS> laser>irons.

IME lasers on handguns are great for guns that don't have "real" sight like J frames, have some application under NVG (though passive aiming with RDS works just as well), and are viable for people with no training and no real interest in getting trained i.e. the people for whom a gun is like a fire extinguisher in their car or kitchen.

I'm not a Surefire or nothing guy but Oilight has a history of lights overheating and catching fire etc. so I'm leery of them.

[Wyoming Shooter]

Eh... I almost wish you hadn't posted this ^ as I was interested in the AUG class but some this ^ makes me question the non pistol material.

The unconventional position thing and the "compliance" thing are niche uses at best.

We've experimented with light laser combos, and for even a institutionally trained shooter sights (iron or RDS) are faster than lasers and the pistol mounted light laser combos had issues maintaining zero. There was some advantage to laser over irons in low light but it shakes out as RDS> laser>irons.

IME lasers on handguns are great for guns that don't have "real" sight like J frames, have some application under NVG (though passive aiming with RDS works just as well), and are viable for people with no training and no real interest in getting trained i.e. the people for whom a gun is like a fire extinguisher in their car or kitchen.

I'm not a Surefire or nothing guy but Oilight has a history of lights overheating and catching fire etc. so I'm leery of them.

I have such limited experience with visible lasers that I am completely unqualified to speak to their use. I have an Olight Baldr on an AR but, it's had only limited use under optimal conditions. I could "see" (pun intended) Brian's point but I'm not yet ready to give up my RDS for a laser. It was interesting to learn that his department (Marietta, GA) was one of the very first to mandate lights on pistols. Thanks for your post.

[LittleLebowski]

Shame you posted pics of it in the sweaty arm pit of internet arms discussion, instead of posting pics of it here! :)

I really thought I had, I’ve been busy.

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[LittleLebowski]

Ok, the 42rd 5.56 mags do not work. However, so far everything else has with .300blk. And I upgraded to the can to something weighs almost 50% less, is much shorter, and much more quiet. To say I’m pleased with my LPM Mach K Titanium (https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/liberty-precision-machine/silencers/30-caliber/liberty-precision-machine-mach-k/) is putting it mildly.

[RealSelf]

Looking at these has me wondering....

How does the safety work?
How does that 15" length of pull work in real life? (I'd say that seems very long to me having shorter arms, gives me concerns)

[HeavyDuty]

Looking at these has me wondering....

How does the safety work?
How does that 15" length of pull work in real life? (I'd say that seems very long to me having shorter arms, gives me concerns)

Safety is a crossbolt.

I have short arms, but I do ok with the AUG. It just is.

[Notorious E.O.C.]

How does the safety work?

If you have delicate keyboard-worker hands like I do, it pays to take a file to the corners.

[kwb377]

If you have delicate keyboard-worker hands like I do, it pays to take a file to the corners.

This is one of the most useful mods you can do to the AUG.

[Chuck Whitlock]

How does that 15" length of pull work in real life? (I'd say that seems very long to me having shorter arms, gives me concerns)

The photo in this post is a good illustration:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14062-Let-s-talk-about-the-AUG&p=1570733&viewfull=1#post1570733

I have a short wingspan, and found that my arm was nearly at full extension when shouldering an AUG.....might even be unusable with armor or heavy clothing.

[RealSelf]

The photo in this post is a good illustration:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14062-Let-s-talk-about-the-AUG&p=1570733&viewfull=1#post1570733

I have a short wingspan, and found that my arm was nearly at full extension when shouldering an AUG.....might even be unusable with armor or heavy clothing.

Well that's a shit-sandwich as I'd feared. Adjustable LOP would make this an easy one but I suspect that will never be possible given the guts inside the stock.

[Archimagirus]

Midwest Gun Works has the suppressor gas plug and trigger spring kits in stock if anyone is interested.

[HeavyDuty]

Well that's a shit-sandwich as I'd feared. Adjustable LOP would make this an easy one but I suspect that will never be possible given the guts inside the stock.

I have short arms and haven’t noticed an issue. The LOP is 15.5” or so, and I run my ARs a fairly short 13.5”.

[Exiledviking]

I shot a fun match last Saturday set up for AR rifles, primarily, with my AUG and I had a blast. 56 steel targets to be engaged from 5 shooting positions down the first half of the 100 yard range. All targets will be at 50 yards distance from each shooting position, all shot offhand. I shot it twice, the first time was with the AUG and the 2nd time with my 3-Gun AR. There was only a 1.3% difference in the time between the two strings which surprised me.
I'm very pleased with the AUG. The red Steyr hammer and sear springs were installed a few months ago which significantly improved the trigger. I ordered an Arid brass deflector and while waiting for it to arrive I found a guy on eBay that sells a 3D printed brass deflector for half of the price of the Arid so I tried that one, which worked well during the match. I have a set of offset folding Magpul BUIS installed on the AUG, so the brass deflector is a must. Once the Arid brass deflector arrives I'll give it a try and see which one I prefer.
I'm now pondering setting up a 1-6x LPVO for the AUG to use as an alternative to the Aimpoint Duty RDS that's on it. I don't want to add more weight to it, but there are significant advantages to 1-6x with my aging eyes.

[awmp]

Pics of your setup?


I shot a fun match last Saturday set up for AR rifles, primarily, with my AUG and I had a blast. 56 steel targets to be engaged from 5 shooting positions down the first half of the 100 yard range. All targets will be at 50 yards distance from each shooting position, all shot offhand. I shot it twice, the first time was with the AUG and the 2nd time with my 3-Gun AR. There was only a 1.3% difference in the time between the two strings which surprised me.
I'm very pleased with the AUG. The red Steyr hammer and sear springs were installed a few months ago which significantly improved the trigger. I ordered an Arid brass deflector and while waiting for it to arrive I found a guy on eBay that sells a 3D printed brass deflector for half of the price of the Arid so I tried that one, which worked well during the match. I have a set of offset folding Magpul BUIS installed on the AUG, so the brass deflector is a must. Once the Arid brass deflector arrives I'll give it a try and see which one I prefer.
I'm now pondering setting up a 1-6x LPVO for the AUG to use as an alternative to the Aimpoint Duty RDS that's on it. I don't want to add more weight to it, but there are significant advantages to 1-6x with my aging eyes.

[Exiledviking]

Pics of your setup?
It's a Cali legal AUG, hence the funky accoutrements. I'm still sorting the BUIS situation. Not sure that I'll stay with the offset Magpul sights. Unfortunately,
the options are quite limited. Perhaps a green laser is in my future. 120720

[LittleLebowski]

Ok, the 42rd 5.56 mags do not work. However, so far everything else has with .300blk. And I upgraded to the can to something weighs almost 50% less, is much shorter, and much more quiet. To say I’m pleased with my LPM Mach K Titanium (https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/liberty-precision-machine/silencers/30-caliber/liberty-precision-machine-mach-k/) is putting it mildly.

The suppressed .300blk AUG is still running my dirty 220gr reloads like a champ. Stupid fun, stupid reliable.

[Dr_Nimslow]

Finally got around to getting a picture of mine. Not my go-to rifle by any means, but lots of fun at any rate.

https://i.imgur.com/vtqB79n.jpg

[Caballoflaco]

I just saw that Steyr has 16” and 14.5” 1-7 twist barrels up on their website.

https://steyr-arms.us/shop/category/tactical/aug/barrels-aug/

[LittleLebowski]

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[HeavyDuty]

Of course, they announce this after I finally found a Steyr suppressor plug.

[LittleLebowski]

Of course, they announce this after I finally found a Steyr suppressor plug.

Porque no los dos?

[HeavyDuty]

Porque no los dos?

Gonna depend on whether the KNS brings something else to the table, like fine tuning.

[LittleLebowski]

Gonna depend on whether the KNS brings something else to the table, like fine tuning.

Concur. With the suppressor plug and a Turbo K, my AUG just runs.

[breakingtime91]

I’m really thinking of getting one or another x95. I gave up on bullpups but I am rethinking them given some limitations joint wise. The bullpups feels great balance wise to me, anyone else notice that they are less taxing than a traditional rifle?

[1slow]

I’m really thinking of getting one or another x95. I gave up on bullpups but I am rethinking them given some limitations joint wise. The bullpups feels great balance wise to me, anyone else notice that they are less taxing than a traditional rifle?

Weight is closer to your body’s center so it has less leverage on you.

[HeavyDuty]

Someone posted on Reddit with pics that they just got a new NATO AUG that came with a BHO. That’s a big change!

[BarryinIN]

The bullpups feels great balance wise to me, anyone else notice that they are less taxing than a traditional rifle?

That’s why I made the switch. I have a screwed up back, and as light as an AR is, doing “up” drills or just standing at the ready through much of a class is easier with the AUG. The AUG is heavier, but that weight is closer to the body.

[Exiledviking]

I’m really thinking of getting one or another x95. I gave up on bullpups but I am rethinking them given some limitations joint wise. The bullpups feels great balance wise to me, anyone else notice that they are less taxing than a traditional rifle?

I've run my AUG head to head against my 3-Gun AR a few times at the local 3-gun matches and I find that AUG FEELS more maneuverable and lighter. And even with the ~7 lbs trigger my scores/times are nearly identical between the AUG and the 3-Gun AR. I'm sold.

[Caballoflaco]

This is cool if you’re a history nerd.


https://youtu.be/jkJh2gUwCHo?si=IPkMUv57cbk7aXNz