Gen4 Glock 17 erratic/weak ejection pattern.

[NickDrak]

So I got to run only about 150rds through my brand-spankin'-new "blue label" G17 that I just picked-up. No malfunctions occured, but the ejection was all over the place. Some would eject out to the right in a slightly rearward pattern and land about 5-6 feet away. Others would either kind of drop out to the left side of the pistol and others would fly straight back towards my head. Just curious what you guys think I should do, if anything in-terms of corrective extractor measures?

I have a new "old style" non-LCI extractor that I ordered in anticipation of extractor woes. Would the old style extractor in-conjunction with a White Sound kit be a good combo? Thanks in advance.

Heres a cellphone vid I took of one of my buds shooting my G17. Sorry, cant figure out why it posted it sideways, but hopefully you get the idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfA8dbKlcxM

[JHC]

What ammo were you shooting?
I suggest you not do anything yet but get a lot more shooting through it.

I've never found Glocks to be all that consistent with ejection patterns (approx 15 years and Gen's 2, 3, 4). But it depends on the degree I suppose.

[NickDrak]

What ammo were you shooting?


Federal "Champion" 115gr FMJ from WalMart.

[JV_]

That looks like the ejection pattern from my Gen4 19.

[SecondsCount]

Maybe youtube does something to the frame rate and I am missing something but I can see a lot of inconsistency in the muzzle rise. This would lead me to believe that the issue is with the ammo or shooter.

[JHC]

Well, that Federal load is about as bad as it gets for underpowered and inconsistent IME. So this probably aggravates the issue. I've found 124 grain Blazer to be much more consistent. It might be worth comparing some.


But back to your vid - it is pretty consistent with sending a case back at your head and much worse than I've seen from any of our four Gen 4's (their worst was maybe 3 or 4 off the noggin' out of 50 from my primary G4 G19). This was with WWB 115 and in the same session, 150 rds of Blazer 124 grain did not send any at or over my head.

But again, your vid looks worse than the worst I've experienced.

[NickDrak]

Good point on the ammo. I will also try some of my duty ammo (Win/Ranger 124gr+p Bonded) and video it to see how that effects ejection.

[Prdator]

I have one of these in my Gen4 17 (http://www.whitesounddefense.com/products/H.R.E.D.-9mm.html) Now I don't know that it really makes that much difference, But Ive about 8K though this G17 and Ive had one FTE. So I'd give it a try and see what happens.

[NickDrak]

I have one of these in my Gen4 17 (http://www.whitesounddefense.com/products/H.R.E.D.-9mm.html) Now I don't know that it really makes that much difference, But Ive about 8K though this G17 and Ive had one FTE. So I'd give it a try and see what happens.

Already have one on the way....

Do you know if the White Sound H.R.E.D. works with the "Old Style" (non-LCI) extractors in a Gen4 gun? I have one that I recently ordered from Brownell's in anticipation of extraction problems with my new Gen4 G17. It looks soo much better cut/manufactured than the LCI extractor that came in the gun.

This is the exact one that I ordered from Brownell's: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22964/Product/Extractor__Old_Style

[Prdator]

Already have one on the way....

Do you know if the White Sound H.R.E.D. works with the "Old Style" (non-LCI) extractors in a Gen4 gun? I have one that I recently ordered from Brownell's in anticipation of extraction problems with my new Gen4 G17. It looks soo much better cut/manufactured than the LCI extractor that came in the gun.

This is the exact one that I ordered from Brownell's: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22964/Product/Extractor__Old_Style



Man I'm not sure on that, I would Assume that it would but??? Also Im not sure that the Old Extractor is compatible with the Gen4 slide as it has a 15 deg cut on the front of the extractor, the old style has a 90 deg cut so Im not sure if it will work.

But the HERD may fix your extraction issues.

[fuse]

I have installed HRED's in a gen3 17 and a gen4 17 that would nail me in the face about 3-6 times per 100. For me it's still very early, but that number seems to be about 0-3. A definite improvement.

Sadly I think the HRED may become a commonly recommended upgrade to new glocks straight out of the box.

[fuse]

Also, I would like to hear more about the modifying of the ejector angle that a few have tried.

[JV_]

Also, I would like to hear more about the modifying of the ejector angle that a few have tried.Cut it back .040" and give it an undercut (slight).

IME: It doesn't fix a badly ejecting Gen4, I've tried it with 2 guns. It does help a Gen3, if it usually ejects well, but you occasionally get one in the forehead

[NickDrak]

Anyone else have any idea if an "Old Style" non-LCI extractor: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=22964/Product/Extractor__Old_Style will work in a Gen4 G17 in-conjunction with the White Sound HRED? (Calling TPD223!!!)

Aside from the weak/inconsistent extraction, I am happy with the Gen4 G17 so far. I like the grip alot with the Grip Force Adapter I contoured installed. Feels and points very nicely. I also installed the Vickers Tactical extended slide stop lever which is a huge improvement over the factory part. I also followed Todd's recommendation for the GlockMeister Gen4 grip plug. Very nice, best $7 I have spend on the Gen4 thus far.

I have a set of the Triji "HD" night sight that just came in yesterday. Hope to get them installed tonight.

[JHC]

Just my opine but I don't think the generation of extractor will matter for using the HRED.

[NickDrak]

Just my opine but I don't think the generation of extractor will matter for using the HRED.

Is says it is compatible with Gen 3 & 4 guns on their website. Just curious if I will have any issues with the "Old style" non-LCI in my Gen4 gun. Guess I will try it out a post my results....

[JHC]

Well plenty of early Gen 3's had the old style so that should seal it.

[NickDrak]

Installed the White Sound HRED and hit the range today. I had 4 stovepipe malfunctions with the Winchester white box from WalMart. Ejection is still all over the place. My duty ammo (Win/Ranger 124gr +p Bonded) seemed to eject somewhat more consistently then the other two loads I tested with. Heres videos of todays results.

Winchester "WinClean" 115gr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEXHk9cQrk

Winchester "White box" from WalMart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxKUWCMq0qI

Winchester Ranger 124ge +p Bonded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW_ERY1pSUE

Anyone have a line on a Lone Wolf 9mm extractor? Everyone seems to be back-ordered....

[Ed L]

Anyone have a line on a Lone Wolf 9mm extractor? Everyone seems to be back-ordered....

It seems to be a hot item since the advent of the gen4 glocks. I used a Lone Wolf Extractor in combination with the HRED to correct ejection issues with my Glock as detailed here: http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?1301-Glock-17-problems-W-Gen2-fresh-back-from-Glock

[mizer67]

I've tried both the LWD extractor and HRED in my PPR series Gen4 G17.

The first 900 rounds, I had 12 FTEs as well as numerout (8-10%) erratic ejections (forward, 12 o'clock, left, to the forehead). I also tried a LWD SS rod and 13 lb. ISMI spring, polishing the Glock extractor and tuning the ejector per the advice posted here, without success in solving any of my FTEs or ejection issues in that first 900 rounds.

The LWD extractor was the ticket to fix the vast majority my issues. Zero stoppages afterwards and only 2 or 3 erratic ejections (~5:30) in 600 rounds. Got one before they were backordered everywhere.

The HRED I believe is a more minor improvement (for my gun). I've fired 600 rounds with both the LWD extractor and the HRED and had zero stoppages and 1 erratic ejection (~5:30).

I was using my reloads which run 1,100 fps +/- 15 fps 10 ft. from the muzzle at ~69 ft. above sea level, ~90 degrees F using 4.2 grains of Tightgroup under a 124 grain Montana gold CMJ at 1.142".

FWIW, the Glock service rep I talked to when trying to solve my issues also recommended I try installing a LWD extractor.

[ToddG]

FWIW, the Glock service rep I talked to when trying to solve my issues also recommended I try installing a LWD extractor.

Wow!

[JConn]

FWIW, the Glock service rep I talked to when trying to solve my issues also recommended I try installing a LWD extractor.

I find this kind of depressing.

[mizer67]

I find this kind of depressing.

In Glock's defense, I didn't want to send my gun in and lose it for 6-8 weeks for what could've been an easy drop-in fix (and was for me at least).

I asked repeatedly that Glock send me a new Glock extractor, but they refused as I'm, "not a Glock armorer".

It was at that point that the service rep. suggested the LWD extractor. I'm sure they would've made it right at the factory, but it was cheaper, faster and more convenient to buy a ~$15 part to drop in since Glock wouldn't send me a new factory one to try.

[NickDrak]

Much better results today with the "old-style" non-LCI extractor and the White Sound HRED:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8674/imag0244j.jpg

Pt. 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDa4cyESMxc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Pt. 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjqP8XRYnoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It started out a little sketchy with several casings actually landing on top of my giant head and nesting in my hair. After approx 50rds extraction consistency improved greatly and I did not have any more casings nail me in the head. No stovepipes or malfunctions of any kind. Im gonna run another few hundred rounds thru it next week.

[Mjolnir]

Much better results today with the "old-style" non-LCI extractor and the White Sound HRED:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8674/imag0244j.jpg

Pt. 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDa4cyESMxc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Pt. 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjqP8XRYnoM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It started out a little sketchy with several casings actually landing on top of my giant head and nesting in my hair. After approx 50rds extraction consistency improved greatly and I did not have any more casings nail me in the head. No stovepipes or malfunctions of any kind. Im gonna run another few hundred rounds thru it next week.

Did you use the non-LCI spring-loaded bearing??

[NickDrak]

Did you use the non-LCI spring-loaded bearing??

No factory spring loaded bearing is used with the White Sound H.R.E.D: http://www.whitesounddefense.com/products/H.R.E.D.-9mm.html

[Mjolnir]

No factory spring loaded bearing is used with the White Sound H.R.E.D: http://www.whitesounddefense.com/products/H.R.E.D.-9mm.html
Thanks, Nick.