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JodyH
10-10-2014, 11:55 AM
Sig M11-A1, aka: bastardized P228, aka: P229-1 no rail
150 rounds of S&B 115gr. FMJ, 50 rounds Fiocchi 115gr. FMJ, 50 rounds Monarch 124gr. JHP, 50 rounds Aguila 124gr. FMJ and 50 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124gr. JHP ready to hit the range in a couple of hours for it's maiden voyage.
Should have the 2000 round challenge done by Sunday if everything goes off well today.
The trigger is a little gritty right now but should smooth up with use. The short reset trigger is very nice. The short trigger is "meh", i'm getting a tiny bit of finger pinch in dry fire.
3 mags and night sights are nice considering Sig has been known to ship a single mag and an IOU.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0006_zpsb256beb2.jpg
LittleLebowski
10-10-2014, 12:12 PM
I dig Jody's new gun threads.
SteveK
10-10-2014, 12:16 PM
Lived with a 229R for about 3 years. Shot well and disappeared in a Sparks Versa Max II. Still wonder why I quit it.
CCT125US
10-10-2014, 12:19 PM
Very interested in this, as I have almost purchased on several occasions.
I like these Jody threads.
I have 2 229 no rail pistols. My only issue is I use a Safariland ALS holster enough and the non rail pistols seem harder to get a proper fit. Those with the SAS treatment for example, fit differently than a no rail 229.
Suvorov
10-10-2014, 12:55 PM
Please include legacy 13 round magazines in the challenge.
gtmtnbiker98
10-10-2014, 01:53 PM
Should be interesting. I just finished the 2K challenge on a MK25. The best thing about SIG's is how smooth the triggers become after a few thousand rounds.
Are those CM magazines that came with it Jody, or MG?
JodyH
10-10-2014, 02:00 PM
For 229-1 mags I have 9 Checkmates and 1 MecGar magazine.
The M11-A1 came with 3 CM's.
I might have a real "legacy" 13 round mag (from 1994 or so) in my box-o-stuff, I'll look for it later.
I'm packed and headed to the range now, should be back in a couple of hours.
I did one of those on a MK 25 a while back. It really wanted lubrication by the end--the slide started slowing down and it was just barely making it back into battery, but it completed the 2000 rounds. Very nice pistol--but it likes to be run wet!
I might have a real "legacy" 13 round mag (from 1994 or so) in my box-o-stuff, I'll look for it later.
If you can't find it, let me know. I'll send you one to use. They worked fine in my 229-1.
I might have a standard trigger laying around as well. If you want that.
JodyH
10-10-2014, 04:22 PM
Here we go.
350 rounds without a hiccup.
Flawless!
:p
The range and my transportation:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0011_zps6a9483bb.jpg
The guns:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0008_zps2f12efe1.jpg
I brought the P229R along as my "control" if needed and to verify the sight adjustments I made on it a few days ago were GTG.
Suvorov
10-10-2014, 04:25 PM
The guns:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0008_zps2f12efe1.jpg
I brought the P229R along as my "control" if needed and to verify the sight adjustments I made on it a few days ago were GTG.
Do you consider the E2 grip worth it in comparison to the M11?
fixer
10-10-2014, 04:26 PM
glad to see the range dried up...
JodyH
10-10-2014, 04:26 PM
First 10 rounds at 25 yards to verify zero (taped holes are from a previous range session).
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0012_zps31f96f5c.jpg
1" dots at 5 yards to work on trigger control. Each dot has 5 rounds on it (2 DA and 3 SA per dot).
Yea... I snatched a few DA's.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0022_zps5d2d5a8e.jpg
JodyH
10-10-2014, 04:29 PM
Let's try to hit some steel at 25 yards.
http://youtu.be/oXNgj7m8En4
Let's try that again.
http://youtu.be/l_OWNwETLqM
A few snatches but not bad for only having 150 rounds or so on a new trigger.
:p
JodyH
10-10-2014, 04:32 PM
Feeling frisky.
Let's go out to 50 yards on a 10" plate.
7 out of 13... not bad for the pace and how much trigger time I have on it so far.
http://youtu.be/bCBfxfqwl3A
JodyH
10-10-2014, 04:38 PM
Do you consider the E2 grip worth it in comparison to the M11?
I don't really even notice the difference while shooting.
Might be worth it just to get rid of the grip screws though.
JodyH
10-11-2014, 11:24 AM
1100 rounds downrange now, primarily S&B 115gr. FMJ's and another 100 rounds of Speer 124gr. GDHP's.
Zero malfunctions, the slide even locks back every time despite my grip (this may be due to the P228 grips vs. the E2's).
I finally trust my trigger control to shoot a real group at 25y, 10 rounds offhand could be covered by a 3" Shoot-N-See, but was just nicking the top edge of the target (2" too high for me) a set of Ameriglo's will fix that right up.
The trigger has smoothed out considerably and is on the verge of being good for a DA/SA.
The short trigger has got to go, after 300 rounds or so the pinch gets annoying.
I have another case of S&B ready to hit the range tomorrow morning.
JodyH
10-12-2014, 11:13 AM
2000 round challenge (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9-2-000-Round-Challenge&p=260826&viewfull=1#post260826) completed.
E2 grip on order because I hate grip screws.
Standard trigger on order because the short trigger pinches my finger.
Ameriglo Pro-Glo front sight (#6, .230") on order because I prefer a bright orange HD style front sight and to lower the POI 2" at 25Y.
Waiting on my AIWB holster so I can start toting it around in public.
gtmtnbiker98
10-12-2014, 11:53 AM
What lubrication did you use? How does the underside of the frame rails look?
JodyH
10-12-2014, 12:38 PM
Whatever it came lubed with from Sig. TW-25 I think. Everything looks good.
Does Ameriglo have an HD like option for the Sig, and is it available in different sizes? I have a 229 .357 Sig upper that even with the 9mm height HD sights hits drive the dot, or a tad lower, in impact.
Does Ameriglo have an HD like option for the Sig, and is it available in different sizes? I have a 229 .357 Sig upper that even with the 9mm height HD sights hits drive the dot, or a tad lower, in impact.
Yes. They offer two different heights. .220 & .230.
Yes. They offer two different heights. .220 & .230.
Do you know whether that corresponds to the overall front sight height or just the blade? For example, the HD is listed as a blade height of .215 and overall height of .279.
Any idea whether Ameriglo offers rear sights in multiple heights and what height the rear(s) are?
Suvorov
10-13-2014, 12:42 AM
What is your issue with grip screws? Other than a spot for rust, potential loosening, and a 2 piece grip is there something I'm missing? Not trying to be an ass, just humbly submitting to your expertise.
JodyH
10-13-2014, 06:53 AM
The screws have very few threads on this gun. Too easy to loosen and too easy to strip out. It'll also make both my 229's consistent in the grip department.
psalms144.1
10-13-2014, 08:26 AM
Suvarov - missing grip screws are a major issue with the Sig Classic pistols, especially the P228/9 pistols. Replacing grip screws on pistols whose grips are held on with rubber bands, tape or other "expedients" is #1 piece of "armorer" work I do on the P229s issued to my agency. I relocated to a new Field Office two years ago, with about 30 total Sigs in service, and have had to replace 20+ screws that were missing when I got here, or dropped off since I arrived.
Since I've started using clear nail polish over the heads after installing/tightening screws, no longer an issue, but time will tell...
Artemas
10-13-2014, 08:38 AM
Suvarov - missing grip screws are a major issue with the Sig Classic pistols, especially the P228/9 pistols. Replacing grip screws on pistols whose grips are held on with rubber bands, tape or other "expedients" is #1 piece of "armorer" work I do on the P229s issued to my agency. I relocated to a new Field Office two years ago, with about 30 total Sigs in service, and have had to replace 20+ screws that were missing when I got here, or dropped off since I arrived.
Since I've started using clear nail polish over the heads after installing/tightening screws, no longer an issue, but time will tell...
How come I never hear of anyone putting blue loctight on them? Do you regularly need to remove the grips to service the gun?
I don't care for the E2 grips. They start off scratchy next to my skin then wear down to not having enough traction.
I like Hogue Chain Link, stock grips stippled, or CT military model laser grips. One of the great things about a P series, compared to an HK is laser grips!
Sensei
10-13-2014, 09:57 AM
How come I never hear of anyone putting blue loctight on them? Do you regularly need to remove the grips to service the gun?
Sig gunsmiths seem to cringe at the use of thread locking compound on P-series guns. In his Sig P-series armorer video, Bruce Gray notes that the use of thread locker is a major reason why frames are sent to his shop with stripped threads. Apparently, the softer aluminum threads do not play well with steel screws and thread locking compound.
In terms of servicing the gun, the grips must be removed to perform any maintance on the frame or its components beyond simple field stripping.
How come I never hear of anyone putting blue loctight on them? Do you regularly need to remove the grips to service the gun?
Psalms 144's experience with SIG 229 grip screws matches my own.
We were advised to use blue loctite in our agency armorers training. It's easy to strip the grip screw threads and ruin frame in general and our officers /agents aren't allowed to mess with grips or grip screws. If they want to swap grips it must be done by an armorer. In our case, blue loctite is lesser of two evils vs our guys stripping them out by over tightening them.
I know of one state agency which cited the large number of guns deadlined due to stripped out grip screw holes /frames in justifying their switch from SIGs to M&P's.
Jody,
We're there any issues with the 13 round mags in the -1 frame ?
Any more feedback on the trigger? I've noticed many of factory SRT sear guns like the M11a1 and the Extremes seem to have a slightly heavier grittier DA pull. I'm glad it seems to be wearing in.
How does the hammer strut look? I've heard the source of some of the gritty feel in SIG DA triggers can be burrs on the hammer strut rubbing the inside of the hammer spring.
JodyH
10-13-2014, 10:40 AM
Didn't find my 13 round magazine, all I used were 15 round 229-1 mags.
The DA trigger is slightly heavier and grittier than my Pro or my 229R but nothing time and presses won't fix.
I don't know what the strut looks like, I only take things apart when they break or need replaced.
After the 2000 round challenge all I did was run a Boresnake through the barrel, wiped down the outside and added lube.
ReverendMeat
10-13-2014, 08:25 PM
How does it compare to an actual P228, shooting-wise? I have a 228 and I'm mildly curious if the new slide and extractor on the 229/M11-A1 affect shootability in any significant way.
How does it compare to an actual P228, shooting-wise? I have a 228 and I'm mildly curious if the new slide and extractor on the 229/M11-A1 affect shootability in any significant way.
Since I shot a 228 and 229 within minutes last week, my impression was the 229 felt softer in recoil with the same loads. I attribute that to the beefier slide on the 229.
ReverendMeat
10-13-2014, 08:43 PM
Since I shot a 228 and 229 within minutes last week, my impression was the 229 felt softer in recoil with the same loads. I attribute that to the beefier slide on the 229.
Thanks for the input. When I first shot my 228 I was kind of dismayed at how snappy it felt in comparison to my 239 (which is odd because the 239 is smaller), though the other people I was with tried both and preferred the 228 so I didn't know if it was just me or not.
Since I shot a 228 and 229 within minutes last week, my impression was the 229 felt softer in recoil with the same loads. I attribute that to the beefier slide on the 229.
I had the same impression. I like the 228 better--but the 229 seems to have less recoil. In fact, I find .40 caliber 229s also seem to dampen recoil more than I would expect.
ReverendMeat
10-14-2014, 09:20 PM
I had the same impression. I like the 228 better--but the 229 seems to have less recoil. In fact, I find .40 caliber 229s also seem to dampen recoil more than I would expect.
Just curious, why do you prefer the 228 over the 229?
psalms144.1
10-15-2014, 09:40 AM
Just curious, why do you prefer the 228 over the 229?I'm not Jeep, but I share his opinion. For ME, it's about "balance" and "feel." The P228 balances and points beautifully. The P229, with its considerably heavier slide, feels "dead" in my hand - I think because of the significant increase in weight in the back of the slide. Oddly enough, I'm on exactly the opposite side of the fence on the P226 - I strongly prefer the feel and balance of newer, solid slide P226s than the older folded slides.
Regards,
Kevin
Just curious, why do you prefer the 228 over the 229?
It's one of those hard-to-explain "feel" things. I think, as others say, that it is the extra weight of the 229 slide on a compact pistol that already (to me) feels a bit off balance. I really like the feel of the 226--which to me is one of the best pistols ever made. I am one of the few who actually like the 228 a bit less than the 226, and--again for me--the 229 falls well below the 228.
That being said, if I were going to go out and buy a .40 I'd either get a 229 or an M&P because they seem to tame recoil for me best in that caliber.
I wish I could explain it better, and perhaps it is all in my head. But you might want to check all three out before you make your decision because you might find that you notice an appreciable difference as well.
gtmtnbiker98
10-15-2014, 02:01 PM
It's one of those hard-to-explain "feel" things. I think, as others say, that it is the extra weight of the 229 slide on a compact pistol that already (to me) feels a bit off balance. I really like the feel of the 226--which to me is one of the best pistols ever made. I am one of the few who actually like the 228 a bit less than the 226, and--again for me--the 229 falls well below the 228.
That being said, if I were going to go out and buy a .40 I'd either get a 229 or an M&P because they seem to tame recoil for me best in that caliber.
I wish I could explain it better, and perhaps it is all in my head. But you might want to check all three out before you make your decision because you might find that you notice an appreciable difference as well.I totally agree with you in your assessment of the ability to handle .40 S&W. Nothing tames it better than the P229 or the M&P full size. I carried the P229R .40 DAK from 2004 to 2013.
ReverendMeat
10-15-2014, 07:32 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I've already got the 228 (current EDC, actually) which I got a good deal on, though what I was really looking for at the time was a 226. I know a lot of people prefer the 228s though and I wasn't sure exactly why. "Hard to explain 'feel' thing" pretty much sums it up I think--the 229s, in retrospect, always kind of felt chunky.
JodyH
10-22-2014, 05:33 PM
Added the E2 one piece grip to my M11-A1, much better.
No annoying grip screws and I like the slimmer profile.
Another bonus is the short trigger finger pinch went away.
Only downside is I'm back to the slide only locking back on empty 50% of the time.
I can live with that.
I'll be using it in ECQC this weekend, should be fun.
I ran the E2 grips with an X5 release, it worked quite well. It extends forward, rather than backwards, and gives a lot more room for your grip.
http://www.topgunsupply.com/sig-slide-catch-lever-x-five-p226-p228-p229-e2.html
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/sig/p226xfivelarge.jpg
mbacker_99
10-22-2014, 06:14 PM
The X5 slide release should be standard on the 226/228/229 series of pistols. I found it interesting that when Sig first came out with the E2 series guns their advertisements/product literature had the X5 release pictured.
http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/e2-upgrade-service-now-available/
If you want controls that never get in the way call Sig and get a set from the p224, almost Glockish in size. The slide release and decocking lever work great on my 228, very slim and out of the way.
John Hearne
10-22-2014, 07:32 PM
The X5 slide release should be standard on the 226/228/229 series of pistols.
Amen. I have a slide catch lever waiting to be modded. He's already cut down the take down lever and everything should fit.
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/ajp3jeh/Gun%20Stuff/sigcontrolsmod_zps8c94a752.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/ajp3jeh/media/Gun%20Stuff/sigcontrolsmod_zps8c94a752.jpg.html)
Artemas
10-22-2014, 07:48 PM
Added the E2 one piece grip to my M11-A1, much better.
No annoying grip screws and I like the slimmer profile.
Another bonus is the short trigger finger pinch went away.
Only downside is I'm back to the slide only locking back on empty 50% of the time.
I can live with that.
I'll be using it in ECQC this weekend, should be fun.
Am I correct in assuming that the issue is with your right hand thumb? Have you tried crossing it over your left thumb?
JodyH
10-22-2014, 07:56 PM
Am I correct in assuming that the issue is with your right hand thumb? Have you tried crossing it over your left thumb?
Don't really care about the slide lock.
My grip is the way I like it and I'm not going to compromise it because of a minor thing like a failure to lock back on empty.
Don't really care about the slide lock.
My grip is the way I like it and I'm not going to compromise it because of a minor thing like a failure to lock back on empty.
That could get you killed in the street, or more importantly wreck your FAST.
Kidding aside, why isn't reliably locking back an important thing?
JodyH
10-22-2014, 08:39 PM
I don't carry a reload on "da streetz", so the slide locking back just isn't that important to me on a carry gun.
. . . or more importantly wreck your FAST.
Bravo!!! lol
Clobbersaurus
10-23-2014, 09:33 PM
Edited, i misread the above posts.
Great thread by the way.
What holster are you using, Jody? I'd like to shoot that pistol for a few drills this weekend if I could. I've got a 228 as old as me for you to use. :)
JodyH
10-23-2014, 10:19 PM
Plan B... I snapped my new front sight off trying to install it last night. Looks like I'll be shooting my P2000.
Holster is a Highnoon Hideaway horsehide.
You wanna bring that thing so I can have a look at it? I'm probably too fat for it, but I'm curious.
Also, I have an X-5 lever if you want it.
JodyH
10-24-2014, 07:28 AM
I'll throw it in the range bag.
I hate installing Sig front sights. Fragile little suckers in a tiny dovetail. Even with a MGW sight pusher I've broken two of them in the past few months.
I'll throw it in the range bag.
I hate installing Sig front sights. Fragile little suckers in a tiny dovetail. Even with a MGW sight pusher I've broken two of them in the past few months.
Gunsmiths need to earn a living, too ….
John Hearne
10-24-2014, 09:15 AM
I've never had issues with the factory sights when using the factory sight pusher after starting them with a hammer. Now, Trijicon HD's, those are frajeelay.
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taadski
10-24-2014, 04:42 PM
I have an MGW tool that works well but as John mentioned, getting them started with a punch helps a lot. I've also found that using a thin shim between the base of the tool and the flat "wing" base of the front sight ensures there isn't enough leverage to bend/break it. This is especially helpful with thinner Dawson fibers and the like.
t
Jody you have had this for a few months now. Do you have an updated opinion concerning this pistol and specifically for use as a CCW?
Have you had the opportunity to compare the M11 to a 320?
Sig M11-A1, aka: bastardized P228, aka: P229-1 no rail
150 rounds of S&B 115gr. FMJ, 50 rounds Fiocchi 115gr. FMJ, 50 rounds Monarch 124gr. JHP, 50 rounds Aguila 124gr. FMJ and 50 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124gr. JHP ready to hit the range in a couple of hours for it's maiden voyage.
Should have the 2000 round challenge done by Sunday if everything goes off well today.
The trigger is a little gritty right now but should smooth up with use. The short reset trigger is very nice. The short trigger is "meh", i'm getting a tiny bit of finger pinch in dry fire.
3 mags and night sights are nice considering Sig has been known to ship a single mag and an IOU.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/DSCF0006_zpsb256beb2.jpg
LSP972
03-23-2015, 04:15 PM
... frajeelay.
Saw what you did there; LOL.
Great, classic movie. I've avoided LifeBuoy soap ever since…;)
.
JodyH
03-23-2015, 04:51 PM
Jody you have had this for a few months now. Do you have an updated opinion concerning this pistol and specifically for use as a CCW?
Have you had the opportunity to compare the M11 to a 320?
The pistol is great.
With the standard trigger and E2 grips it's by far my favorite DA/SA. I take it to the range regularly to work on my trigger control.
As a CCW I'm not so enamored.
Too bulky and too heavy for its capacity, especially compared to a Glock 19 or even the VP9.
I'm a lazy CCW though and carry the bare minimum (currently a Glock 26 or a S&W 442).
LittleLebowski
03-23-2015, 05:21 PM
I'm a lazy CCW though and carry the bare minimum (currently a Glock 26 or a S&W 442).
I will sticky your obituary in the Romper Room when that practice gets you....killed on the street.
Thanks for the input. The weight and price has me second thinking this pistol. The dimensions are not that big of a deal.
The pistol is great.
With the standard trigger and E2 grips it's by far my favorite DA/SA. I take it to the range regularly to work on my trigger control.
As a CCW I'm not so enamored.
Too bulky and too heavy for its capacity, especially compared to a Glock 19 or even the VP9.
I'm a lazy CCW though and carry the bare minimum (currently a Glock 26 or a S&W 442).
JodyH
03-23-2015, 05:55 PM
I will sticky your obituary in the Romper Room when that practice gets you....killed on the street.
3183
I will sticky your obituary in the Romper Room when that practice gets you....kilt in da streetz.
FIFY :-)
Sensei
03-24-2015, 09:39 PM
Thanks for the input. The weight and price has me second thinking this pistol. The dimensions are not that big of a deal.
I agree with Jody in that there are more refined CCW options when it comes to weight, size, and capacity. However, it is a very comfortable gun to shoot, and I'm more than happy to dress around the extra girth and weight in the Winter. I tend to gravitate back to a G19/26 in the Summer due to the need for lighter clothes.
Thanks for the input. The weight and price has me second thinking this pistol. The dimensions are not that big of a deal.
How about the SP2022 ? It will save a little weight and many $$$$.
JodyH
03-24-2015, 10:19 PM
How about the SP2022 ? It will save a little weight and many $$$$.
2022 is within an ounce or two of a P229R, you wont save any weight vs a M11A1. Cheaper yes.
229R 29.6 oz
229 gen2 sas 32 oz
2022 29 oz
M11 32oz
320 26 oz
Not a lot of weight difference.
2022 is within an ounce or two of a P229R, you wont save any weight vs a M11A1. Cheaper yes.
JodyH
03-29-2015, 09:57 PM
229R 29.6 oz
M11 32oz
On my calibrated dope.. err postal scale the M11A1 and the P229R are exactly the same weight.
29.5 oz. with empty magazine inserted.
I got that from Sigs website. Are both of them 9mm? I thought I had read somewhere that the 9mm 229r had a different weight because the 9mm slide was lighter. The quote below is from Reverend Meat on the M11A1 thread I started.
Calibrated hmmm now I know why you need a 308 on the border. :-p
On my calibrated dope.. err postal scale the M11A1 and the P229R are exactly the same weight.
29.5 oz. with empty magazine inserted.
"228/229 holsters are mildly annoying. 228/M11A1, 229 .40, 229 9mm, and 229r are all slightly different . My 229 .40 holster fits my 228 just right but if I had it made for the 228, the 229 wouldn't fit. A holster for a 229 or 229r should fit an M11A1. "
On my calibrated dope.. err postal scale the M11A1 and the P229R are exactly the same weight.
29.5 oz. with empty magazine inserted.
You sure that you aren't going to go broke when your customers . . . err "correspondents" . . . get their "packages" based on that scale's measurements?
The pistol is great.
With the standard trigger and E2 grips it's by far my favorite DA/SA.(currently a Glock 26 or a S&W 442).
Went back to the LGS and handled the 229 SAS and the M11 again. I see what you mean about a difference in the grips. So what size grip do the lasergrips compare to? The standard grip on the M11 or the thin E2 grip like on the SAS? I think GJM said he has a pair of milspecs on a 229 hope he can chime in here.
taadski
04-01-2015, 09:15 AM
Went back to the LGS and handled the 229 SAS and the M11 again. I see what you mean about a difference in the grips. So what size grip do the lasergrips compare to? The standard grip on the M11 or the thin E2 grip like on the SAS? I think GJM said he has a pair of milspecs on a 229 hope he can chime in here.
Not GJM but there are a couple Crimson Trace models for the 228/229 framed pistols. The LG-329 is an older style side activation model. It is notably bigger (thicker) than stock P series grips. On par with rubber Hogues, as an example. The LG-429 (and the LG-429M, the mil spec one) are front activation models that are a little thinner than the side activation ones, but are still thicker than standard stocks, IME.
t
Went back to the LGS and handled the 229 SAS and the M11 again. I see what you mean about a difference in the grips. So what size grip do the lasergrips compare to? The standard grip on the M11 or the thin E2 grip like on the SAS? I think GJM said he has a pair of milspecs on a 229 hope he can chime in here.
Not GJM but there are a couple Crimson Trace models for the 228/229 framed pistols. The LG-329 is an older style side activation model. It is notably bigger (thicker) than stock P series grips. On par with rubber Hogues, as an example. The LG-429 (and the LG-429M, the mil spec one) are front activation models that are a little thinner than the side activation ones, but are still thicker than standard stocks, IME.
t
To add to what Taadpole said, two options. The side activation grips are larger, stickier and easier for me to activate. The mil model grips are harder to activate (requiring me to shim under the button with a small piece of plastic), but are thinner, smoother and waterproof. Shooting the mil grips on a 229 a few weeks back in colder conditions, I found them slippery. I prefer Hogue chain link grips to standard, E2, or either laser grip. I do like the stippling Taadpole does on stock grips. By comparison, I find the dual IR/visible laser grips for the 226 to be the single best set of laser grips I have used on anything.
deeHKman
04-04-2015, 10:22 AM
Interesting thread! I had a early sig 229 and really liked it. The Cohen
Era sent me right into HK. Found a newer
229 sas 9mm I'm very much considering
To buy and eventually use as my primary
Edc. Does anyone know if it's a e2 grip and if
It takes standard 229 mags? If so I'll order some
Meggars. Not touched sigs since the 90's
So I'm relearning. Thanks In advance!
ReverendMeat
04-07-2015, 09:02 PM
I'm 900 rounds into my M11. At about 600 rounds I had two failures to extract with S&B 115, from the same box. At about 800 rounds I had a failure to feed with Magtech 124. This bums me out, as I really liked the gun up until this point but now I don't trust it for carry.
Should I send it back to SIG, or just order a new extractor/extractor spring? Will overcompressing the extractor spring damage it? Or should I keep shooting and hope that the problems will work themselves out?
I've posted this previously, but it might apply to your situation:
I've been having FTE/double feed malfunctions in my CA long extractor P229R, predominately with 115 grain ammunition, though it has also happened with 135 grain Hornady Critical Defense.
http://i.imgur.com/fOvMMXK.jpg
In 3000 rounds, it has happened approximately 26 times with various 10-round magazines. Nothing helped - I installed a new extractor/spring, and even bought a complete replacement slide but the malfunctions still happened. Frustrated, I sent it back to Sig, and got it back in less than a week. The gunsmith comments state that they "updated extractor spring" and "test fired with 30 rounds Winchester 115 grain with no malfunctions".
I haven't stripped the pistol down to see what they have done (since the roll pins are sacrificial I can't be bothered to get another set) but it seems like that this wasn't just a standard spring replacement. While SIG's CS has impressed me, I haven't even shot the pistol again since I've decided to sell it and solely focus on the Glock 17 for other reasons.
ReverendMeat
04-08-2015, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the input, that looks pretty much like what I had (except that LCI is blowing my mind, never seen that before).
SamAdams
04-08-2015, 10:27 PM
. . . that LCI is blowing my mind, never seen that before).
That's pretty damned gaudy with all that print. Maybe next they'll come up with a flashing red LED warning light.
ReverendMeat
04-08-2015, 10:48 PM
Shush, don't give them any ideas. It's CA after all and I wouldn't put it past 'em
The LCI is actually very poorly designed - in the event of a failure to extract (as pictured above), it prevents the extractor from picking up a piece of brass in the chamber. Thus with a FTE, you basically can only lock the slide to the rear, drop the mag, and then hammer the slide onto a hard surface to dislodge the chambered brass. Luckily the LCI is removal by simply driving a pin out.
The LCI, couple with the Magazine disconnect that broke after 2,000 rounds has really soured me on an added "safety" features used to appease legislators.
A video of the above point on the LCI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2koYVpfO5gE
Also a picture of the "updated spring" - old 2-spring arrangement on the left, "new" single spring on the right. It appears the newer single spring is stronger than the larger of the old 2-springs.
http://i.imgur.com/ZSkhOUV.jpg
Is this a verified fix for these extraction problems?
A video of the above point on the LCI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2koYVpfO5gE
Also a picture of the "updated spring" - old 2-spring arrangement on the left, "new" single spring on the right. It appears the newer single spring is stronger than the larger of the old 2-springs.
http://i.imgur.com/ZSkhOUV.jpg
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