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jetfire
10-03-2014, 12:27 PM
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I don't think I'd ever used the word "gross" to describe the fit and finish of a revolver's internal parts before.

gtmtnbiker98
10-03-2014, 12:36 PM
What was your expectations? Curious.

Edmo
10-03-2014, 12:49 PM
I'm not sure what "gross" we are viewing... What is the make & model. I can't zoom in close enough to see any issues.

Is that a loose 9mm round on the floor?

Nice GLOCK gun mat. I've got one too!

Edmo

Chuck Haggard
10-03-2014, 12:52 PM
Hint, it's a stripped Taurus.........

_JD_
10-03-2014, 12:55 PM
Hint, it's a stripped Taurus.........

Did someone say Taurus and gross?



Here's some PT1911 pics from two different guns owned by two different friends of mine...as a disclaimer they bought these before we became friends...

Gun 1:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4jFf4THW6EU/T8uIth4Hz2I/AAAAAAAAAg0/EsnQl-9bWoE/s1600/IMG_6523.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OEuWu8pf32k/T8uIu5GDiYI/AAAAAAAAAg8/lf8ccPvk0xw/s1600/IMG_6524.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y2pPYDyVcT4/T8uIv6XJJpI/AAAAAAAAAhE/44V9EyKRmKk/s1600/IMG_6525.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jn8n3USYzAE/T8uJHanSngI/AAAAAAAAAhw/wjFL-wjr5Xk/s1600/IMG_6530.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r8HKHwy97ns/T8uJTgR3tVI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/6LMPqtExSAU/s1600/IMG_6534.JPG




[QUOTE=_JD_;239994]Gun 2:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/jdlv4_0/PT1911%20Number%203/IMAG0067.jpg






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_JD_
10-03-2014, 12:55 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BRqAFlg86qY/T9zbFa1KFiI/AAAAAAAAAmU/l6Hlr1dav7k/s640/IMAG0076-1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kQOo3b-D_mQ/T9zcEIE7tmI/AAAAAAAAAnM/UP9gWzHvA9M/s640/IMAG0068-1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9qAoAXMaFaQ/T9zb5y_W2II/AAAAAAAAAnE/zZiGnBrpeX8/s640/IMAG0069-1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yedBpb9VdEA/T9zbwE6J3RI/AAAAAAAAAm8/_E_uvnMEeNg/s640/IMAG0070-1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GduKiM1CJkk/T9zbma0uO5I/AAAAAAAAAm0/iuYMpELf1Bg/s640/IMAG0072-1.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lOup5N8KF1A/T9zbeKflzDI/AAAAAAAAAms/wbIzIvbZP5Q/s640/IMAG0073-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YVxMCESj6gk/T9zbXZ03hoI/AAAAAAAAAmk/iF2mXbria5U/s640/IMAG0075-1.jpg[/QUOTE]




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jetfire
10-03-2014, 01:35 PM
What was your expectations? Curious.

I was expecting it to be terrible, just not as terrible as it was. I'm busy this weekend, but I'm going to take more photos on Monday when I get back to the office.

gtmtnbiker98
10-03-2014, 07:49 PM
I was expecting it to be terrible, just not as terrible as it was. I'm busy this weekend, but I'm going to take more photos on Monday when I get back to the office.At least they didn't disappoint.

Keltyke
10-09-2014, 01:22 PM
So it's a little rough...

Alpha Sierra
10-09-2014, 01:47 PM
It will all buff out......in about a year's worth of work

Totem Polar
10-09-2014, 05:51 PM
Bulls: long known for producing large quantities of one thing...

Al T.
10-09-2014, 08:07 PM
You do know it was built on Smith and Wesson machinery and is just as good as S&W right?

(lolz)

WDW
10-10-2014, 12:51 PM
You do know it was built on Smith and Wesson machinery and is just as good as S&W right?

(lolz)

And that the Brazilian Seals use them....

jetfire
10-21-2014, 11:14 AM
Update on the Taurus 82: I got the trigger pull under 20 pounds. (http://www.gunnuts.net/2014/10/21/taurus-82-revolver-update/)

I had to straighten the mainspring strut with a f***ing hammer.

45dotACP
10-21-2014, 03:39 PM
Dude, whoa.

Guess I'll just chalk another tally to the "many reasons I'll not buy a Taurus." list hanging over my workbench...

You know...because Taurus hater.


*ETA: There is a "Reasons I might buy a Taurus" list too, but it only says "Because PT92."

Ever since they ditched their Single Action revolvers, I got to actually take apart a PT1911, and they ditched the pump action rifles, there is only one thing I would actually even consider them for. Everybody says that Taurus puts out so many new models, but honestly, they get rid of models that I'm actually interested in at an alarming rate. smh.

will_1400
10-21-2014, 05:43 PM
It will all buff out......in about a year's worth of work

Perhaps, but the real question is "will there even be enough material to make a functional firearm after all the work is done?"

jetfire
10-21-2014, 05:52 PM
Took it to the range today. I fired 420 rounds through it as fast as I could stuff the cylinders. It survived just fine. Accuracy wasn't great, and when I was done I found out why. The one or more of the chambers isn't lining up correctly with the forcing cone, resulting in this:

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Notice how the right side of the frame (above) has bright silver discoloration around the cone. That's lead shaved off from the way the cylinders are aligning, and you can see how it smears fouling down the barrel.

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Here's the left side for comparison. No major issues, likely because everything is getting shattered on the right side of the frame. On a side note, my Colt revolver that's older than I am had none of these issues with the same ammo, despite older Colt's reputation for having timing issues.

I believe the forcing cone strikes are part of why everything was going left of the sights and why accuracy for a 4 inch revolver was well below what I've come to expect.

SecondsCount
10-21-2014, 06:09 PM
But the babe at the Taurus booth at SHOT was hot. ;)

jetfire
10-21-2014, 06:18 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention; under the force cone? You see those shiny bits on the frame? That's where the cylinder is impacting the frame because it doesn't lock up super tight.

Joe in PNG
10-21-2014, 07:08 PM
And yet, you will still get called out on "Gun Nuts" for being a snob & hater.

45dotACP
10-21-2014, 07:14 PM
And yet, you will still get called out on "Gun Nuts" for being a snob & hater.

Yup, I bashed a Taurus, and now I go to my safe to cradle my collection of Wilson CQB's and Korth revolvers, because all people who point out that Taurus sucks are rich gun snobs

Never fails.

SAWBONES
10-21-2014, 07:27 PM
Look at this mess

While revolvers definitely have their own benefits (including good reliability, ease of use and self-contained ammunition capacity), there's just no comparison with semiautomatic pistols when it comes to engineering simplicity and robustness.

Totem Polar
10-22-2014, 12:22 AM
Took it to the range today. I fired 420 rounds through it as fast as I could stuff the cylinders. It survived just fine. Accuracy wasn't great, and when I was done I found out why. The one or more of the chambers isn't lining up correctly with the forcing cone, resulting in this:

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Caleb, dude, you need a range rod. I can personally vouch that hot .357 rounds out of a chamber that far out of whack can send copper shavings back into your hands that will take months to work their way back up to the surface.
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At some point, I'll have to post a video of my PT-22's acquiescent safety lever; pull the trigger hard enough, and it just comes off by itself to please you. :D

Lester Polfus
10-22-2014, 01:22 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention; under the force cone? You see those shiny bits on the frame? That's where the cylinder is impacting the frame because it doesn't lock up super tight.

Not trying to tell you your bidness, but I think I'd stop shooting that, or at least stop shooting it while I was holding it in my hands, near my face.

You could strap it to an anvil or something, and pull the trigger with a string...

jetfire
10-22-2014, 09:59 AM
Not trying to tell you your bidness, but I think I'd stop shooting that, or at least stop shooting it while I was holding it in my hands, near my face.

You could strap it to an anvil or something, and pull the trigger with a string...

Oh it's officially a safe queen now. I shot enough ammo through it to figure that it's basically broken and won't be shooting it any more.

Jeep
10-22-2014, 12:06 PM
Oh it's officially a safe queen now. I shot enough ammo through it to figure that it's basically broken and won't be shooting it any more.

You probably shot that more than a typical Taurus revolver ever gets shot (probably most get far less than 420 rounds in their entire lives) but it demonstrates that Taurus quality remains unacceptable--the chance of getting a bad gun is simply too high.

Meanwhile, I'm visualizing the Taurus factory as a place where samba parties break out with some regularity and "close enough for government work" has become "close enough for all work."

jetfire
10-22-2014, 12:39 PM
I plan on continuing my "quest for a budget 38" with an Armscor wheelie soon, because hell at least they have a robust IPSC culture in the Philippines.

GardoneVT
10-22-2014, 01:05 PM
the chance of getting a bad gun is simply too high.

"

Impossible, because Taurus does not make guns. They make metal ,1:1 scale models of actual firearms .

Lester Polfus
10-22-2014, 01:34 PM
Impossible, because Taurus does not make guns. They make metal ,1:1 scale models of actual firearms .

I have referred to the PT1911 as a "1911 shaped object"

Chuck Haggard
10-22-2014, 01:43 PM
I've had Tauri in the past that worked, but over the past few years I have seen one bad gun after another. The revolvers seem to be worse in that regard.

2alpha-down0
10-22-2014, 02:03 PM
A buddy of mine has a Taurus 605. Several years ago while he was away at Army basic I looked after his guns for him. One day I was checking on everything, dry-fired the Taurus, and the transfer bar snapped in two locking the gun up tight. The gun had, at the most, 300 rounds through it.

Crawls
10-22-2014, 08:55 PM
I almost hate to admit that I have a Taurus. It's a Raging Raging Bull chambered in Ruger .480. I bought it long ago for backpacking in bear country. Even though I giggle like a kid each time I shoot it, threads like this make me real glad I never had to put it to it's intended use.

Jeep
10-23-2014, 08:25 AM
I plan on continuing my "quest for a budget 38" with an Armscor wheelie soon, because hell at least they have a robust IPSC culture in the Philippines.

Armscor 1911's are ok (though, based upon experience, I wouldn't expect to get a high round count out of them), but the revolvers have a somewhat dubious reputation. I'm not sure that there is such a thing as a new, reliable, budget .38. I tend to think that buying a used Model 10/64 is the way to go. But I hope that you prove that wrong. There is a lot to be said for lower-priced .38's.

1slow
10-24-2014, 12:27 PM
If your time and ammo expense to prove gun reliability is considered, Taurus and similar are not less expensive.
Every time they send it back/replace it you have to test again.
KITTEN that !!!

Myg30
10-31-2014, 10:32 AM
A buddy of mine has a Taurus 605. Several years ago while he was away at Army basic I looked after his guns for him. One day I was checking on everything, dry-fired the Taurus, and the transfer bar snapped in two locking the gun up tight. The gun had, at the most, 300 rounds through it.

I also had the bad 605 mdl. It was ok till shooting 150-200rds. Of mostly .38's. Then it would lock up tight , clean it and next time out same lock up but only after 5-15 rds. It was returned to Tauras 2x for repair as it locked up with only a few rds fired of .38's not even magnum loads. On the THIRD trip they sent me a NEW 605 w/ key lock. I put 10 rds of mag ammo thru it, cleaned it and put it away. Not sure when it will ever be fired again.

I almost purchased a Tauras auto, I opened the safe, looked at the 605 still sitting in the box.
Lesson learned !

Mike

Lester Polfus
10-31-2014, 11:33 AM
I can't afford guns that cheap.

Totem Polar
10-31-2014, 06:39 PM
^^^Laconic truth.