Glock 42 vs. 642 range report

[LSP552]

I’m a bit over 350 rounds now with the G42, shooting a mix of WWB, Remington Golden Saber and Gold Dot this weekend. My gun hates Golden Sabers, failing to feed at least once per mag, sometimes more. The WWB and Gold Dots have run fine. My 42 was born on 08/28/14 so it should include the latest updates.

Overall, I find the G42 significantly easier to shoot to the same accuracy level as my 642. In fact, once I got to 50 ft (indoor range), I couldn’t hold the 642 to the same level of accuracy. As long as I took my time, I had no trouble keeping all of the 42’s rounds in the head at 50 ft, but would occasionally lose one from the 642. The G42 was faster to shoot to the same accuracy.

From 5 – 10 yards, the G42 was MUCH faster to drive multiple rounds into the good zone of the target. Sorry, no opportunity to use a timer in the indoor environment so I’m going off of feel instead of hard numbers. The G42 recoils significantly less than the 642 and I’m sure that contributed, along with the “boot grips” I use with pocket carrying the 642. The 442 with the larger Pachmayr Compac grips was better, but still significantly slower for me than the G42.

Another factor may be the smaller, less visible sights on the Airweights and my eyes. I will be 59 in Nov and sight alignment for me is trying to keep equal blur on both sides of the front sight. The stock G42 sights are easier for my eyes to pick up and align. The revolvers have the florescent paint on the front but it still leaves a lot to be desired for my eyes.

I shoot Glocks more than anything else and my revolver shooting is limited to occasionally exercising the 642/442s I pocket carry. I’m here to tell you, my revolver shooting is a perishable skill.

I find the G42 pretty easy to steer laterally with unequal grip pressure. Another contributing factor to the 2” left was the heavy trigger pull. The specs say 5.5 connector but I swear the gun feels close to 8 lbs or so. It has lightened up a bit and gotten smoother with life and dry fire, which I expected. Experimenting with grip indicates that, for me, the same neutral grip I use on bigger Glocks work best. I experimented briefly with the support hand finger on the trigger guard as mentioned my GJM and this seemed to make the steering worse, not better. YMMV.

At 6’3” and 230lbs, with large hands and long fingers, I expected to have problems with riding the slide stop on the petite G42. So far that’s not a problem.

The bottom line for ME is the G42 is both faster and easier for to get good hits vs the 642/442. I know the .380 isn’t a .38 special but, at this point, the trade off in getting hits is worth it to me. Big Glock experience translates very well to the little pistol. I've found my new low threat pocket gun.

[JHC]

Interesting. I've yet to shoot one. But finally handling one I was struck at how much smaller it was vs comparison pics published. It disappeared into the front pocket of my Columbia hiking shorts the day I messed with one.

[Crow Hunter]

Interesting. I've yet to shoot one. But finally handling one I was struck at how much smaller it was vs comparison pics published. It disappeared into the front pocket of my Columbia hiking shorts the day I messed with one.

Same for me. I saw one at a local store. I handled it. It didn't look that small but it certainly feels much smaller and disappeared into my pocket.

So I told my wife about it and she wanted to see it too. So she handled it and her eyes lit up and she said, "I need this".

So now I need to find one at a reasonable price. The $650 the local store wanted for it was not reasonable to me. :rolleyes:

I am hoping that it will work better for me than my 642. I have been trying to make that work for a year and I have just not be successful. Of course, then I will have to buy two of them...:eek:

[LSP552]

So I told my wife about it and she wanted to see it too. So she handled it and her eyes lit up and she said, "I need this".



Yep, mine said she wants to shoot it. I know what that means……..

[JBP55]

Yep, mine said she wants to shoot it. I know what that means……..

The good part is Don will sell you another one for $319 plus tax.

[Chuck Haggard]

My experience is similar, except I haven't tried any Golden Sabers. Mine has been 100% reliable with twice as many rounds, ball and JHPs, even the Brown Bear I ran through the gun which has choked every other .380 pistol I tried it in.

I just got a Dark Star Gear clip on holster in the mail, and this is already going to by my new lounge around gun. Thinking about doing a bit of dirty gun testing to see of it's going to be an ankle gun or not.

[LSP972]

The .380 Golden Sabers are too long OAL. Rusty had the same issue with his LCP.

So, Ken, you're considering this for a "low-threat environment" primary?

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[GJM]

I also have to work hard to keep shots from going left with the G42. Something about the size, trigger weight and position?

[okie john]

In fact, once I got to 50 ft (indoor range), I couldn’t hold the 642 to the same level of accuracy.

I've only fired a few rounds through a G42, but I fired them at 25 yards. The flyer way up north was my first shot.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/okie_john/G24at25yards_zps290607ce.jpg (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/okie_john/media/G24at25yards_zps290607ce.jpg.html)

Replacing the factory sight-shaped dovetail protectors with real sights might make the G42 into a decent carry piece.


Okie John

[JBP55]

Good shooting.

[GJM]

man, these 42s all seem to shoot left

[LSP552]

So, Ken, you're considering this for a "low-threat environment" primary?

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Yep, It's going to replace my 642/442s for pocket carry. It's rare that my primary (only) gun would be a pocket Airweight but it does happen occasionally. The circumstances won't change, just substitute the G42.

[LSP552]

I also have to work hard to keep shots from going left with the G42. Something about the size, trigger weight and position?

I'm thinking it's the normal grip sensatitivity of the Glock magnified by the smaller, lighter G42, grip shape and trigger weight. I'm hoping more time on the gun will fix that problem.

[Guinnessman]

man, these 42s all seem to shoot left

Give it to a southpaw!

[jh9]

Give it to a southpaw!

Preach it. Mine prints to POA.

Only got 100 through my 42, but I'm really digging how it handles in live fire.

One failure to feed in the first mag. Mine has the old slide stop/release, and bullet strikes are plainly visible. As soon as I get a replacement I'm going to put another couple hundred through it.

It seems to hit the sweet spot. I've had tiny .380s (p3at) and tiny 9mms (cm9) and they've always felt like a paper wrapper around a handful of cartridges. IOW, they're usually fine, but sometimes you've got to hold your head just right and squint in order to get them to work.

I'm hoping the 42 is large enough to provide similar long-term reliability as the g26/g19 size guns.

[Chuck Haggard]

I just shot mine at 20 yards, as did one of my friends, all rounds nicely centered

[Savage Hands]

Makes me glad I sold my brand new 442 to put towards my G42. I can't wait to actually shoot it and will also carry it in my pocket or in a DSG casual IWB.

[LSP552]

I just shot mine at 20 yards, as did one of my friends, all rounds nicely centered

No doubt! Taking my time and staying focused yielded centered hits so I know it's not the gun. I'm dry firing the snot out of it working on my petite gun grip and trigger stroke. Hoping to put another couple hundred rounds down range this weekend, but LSU is playing at home…...

[Chuck Haggard]

My new Dark Star Gear IWB clip holster for my G42 is pretty bad ass.

[okie john]

Good shooting.

Thanks.


Okie John

[MGW]

I posted the picture below before but I'll post it up again. First range session, slow fire, 25yds, WWB. It's not bullseye worthy but I was happy with it for first time out. The heavy trigger is the only thing keeping it from shooting better in my opinion. Mine hasn't hiccuped since a trip back to Glock. Hydrashok is the only hollow points I've ran through it and they have worked fine.

I haven't looked yet but would like to come up with more magazines.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/16/b61e7994612d5f11ddee983961156ad6.jpg

[LSP552]

My new Dark Star Gear IWB clip holster for my G42 is pretty bad ass.

Chuck,

Would you mind posting or emailing some pictures of the holster with 42? I looked at their website and it doesn't show much, or I missed it. Thanks!

[Savage Hands]

Yup.

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b497/Nick_Drakulich/DSG1_zpsf374c592.jpg

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b497/Nick_Drakulich/DSG2_zpse84122ea.jpg
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[MGW]

I hope I'm not breaking any rules but Freedom has 500 rounds of .380 FMJ on sale today. I've shot 100 rounds of their remanufactured RNFP without any issues.

[LSP552]

Thanks Shenaniguns! Nice looking holster. Add that to my G42 needs list.

[Jay Cunningham]

That little combo looks pretty nice.

[Savage Hands]

Thanks Shenaniguns! Nice looking holster. Add that to my G42 needs list.

I thank NickDrak for posting that!

[JBP55]

Thanks Shenaniguns! Nice looking holster. Add that to my G42 needs list.

PM sent.

[LSP552]

PM sent.

Got it, returned. Thanks

[LtDave]

I posted the picture below before but I'll post it up again. First range session, slow fire, 25yds, WWB. It's not bullseye worthy but I was happy with it for first time out. The heavy trigger is the only thing keeping it from shooting better in my opinion. Mine hasn't hiccuped since a trip back to Glock. Hydrashok is the only hollow points I've ran through it and they have worked fine.

I haven't looked yet but would like to come up with more magazines.

There are some mags on eBay right now for a little over $25 each buy it now. Also some with factory mag extensions.

[Chuck Haggard]

My holster looks exactly like Nick's

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I recently bought 3 G42 mags from http://www.topgunsupply.com/glock-magazines-page-2/. I see they are out of stock. However, they had a good price and were quick. Had them two days after the order.

Funny - I got a G42 from Americanaarms in Beeville, TX when they were at the local gun show. GT in Austin said they were back ordered for months but Americana had the same price. The only hitch was that I told them I wanted one and they brought it to the next show. Had lots like that.

[Rich]

The .380 Golden Sabers are too long OAL. Rusty had the same issue with his LCP.

So, Ken, you're considering this for a "low-threat environment" primary?

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I think you made a comment about rem GS OAL being too long at one of my topics. Rem Black Belt

The GSB9MMD 124gr+P does appear rather long looking.

So I compared it with win ranger T 124gr +P and its the same length.


OP


I never give up using a S&W J frame for bug use.

I like the fact there no slide to set back. A good thing in CQ.

Also I'm able to hide it in my hand in a jacket pocket and able to fire it. Its nice to hold a handgun on a supposed bad guy without showing it.

Plus I suck at shooting 380 pocket pistols at distance.

[LSP552]

I never give up using a S&W J frame for bug use.

I like the fact there no slide to set back. A good thing in CQ.

Also I'm able to hide it in my hand in a jacket pocket and able to fire it. Its nice to hold a handgun on a supposed bad guy without showing it.

Plus I suck at shooting 380 pocket pistols at distance.

I agree that the G42 can't replace a 642/442 for carrying in a jacket pocket. I've pointed a model 38/642/442 at more people than I can count who never had a clue that they were very far behind the power curve if things turned ugly. For me, that's the only role my J-frames will fill going forward. There is one other, and it's been touched on elsewhere. That's tangled shooting. I spent a fair amount of my early LSP time doing undercover stuff (Narcotics and Criminal Intelligence Sections).

Often my choice of pistols was an Airweight model 38 or bobbed hammer 36 with Pachmayr grips carried Appendix, no holster (criminals don't use holsters for a lot of reasons). It's almost impossible to generate enough leverage to rip that out combo out of your hand. If you are buying dope, negotiating deals, or mixing with criminals in a car, that's an important consideration.

As an old retired guy, my uses aren't so specialized. I'm almost always packing a larger Glock. The exception is some very low threat environments and dress. In that regard, I think I'm better armed with the G42 in my short's pocket than the 642, if only because I shoot it significantly better.

I can't shoot the very small .380s worth a crap either, having tried with a Ruger LSP and S&W Bodyguard. Trust me, the G42 is light years past those in shootability. It's big enough to shoot well but small adn light enough for a pocket.

[jh9]

I haven't looked yet but would like to come up with more magazines.


PSA has them in stock.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/magazine-glock-42-6rd-mf42006.html

AIM has them in stock with the pinky extension.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MGLK42NEWEXT&name=Glock+Model+42+6rd+.380+Auto+Factory+New+Maga zine+w%2f+Grip+Extension&groupid=16

[rathos]

Even though I am not a fan of .380s I really liked the way the g42 felt in my hand and found a local store that had it (and covered the taxes for me) so it was $425 out the door. It was a lot more comfortable to shoot than any of the other pocket .380s (keltec, LCP, diamondback) with target ammo, but defense ammo was about the same as shooting the other 380s. The trigger was also a lot heavier than any of the others, with a very sharp wall before the break. I found it wasn't any easier to shoot than my 442 or LCR especially when it came to defense ammo. I also had a harder time shooting it accurately one handed than my pocket revolvers. I will say that I picked up some of the 102 grain golden sabers before I heard people had issues, but I shot a box of them (25) with no issues. They also grouped a bit better than the winchester PDX1 I tried out. The only thing it has over the revolver is being flatter.

[LSP972]

So I compared it with win ranger T 124gr +P and its the same length.


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The GS is a few thousandths longer. If you are interested in the specific numbers, I can put the calipers back on them and write the numbers down.

What is causing the actual feeding issue is the extremely short ogive of the GS bullet.

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[TCinVA]

man, these 42s all seem to shoot left

I tend to push Glocks slightly left when I'm not doing slow-fire accuracy style shooting...just a function of how my hand interfaces with the pistol. It's even more exaggerated on the G42.

[Chuck Haggard]

Mine shoots center. You guys need to lean to the right or something.

[TCinVA]

Mine shoots center. You guys need to lean to the right or something.

You're pretty pleased with yourself, what with your non-defective J frames that hit point of aim and your non-mutant hands that don't push Glock shots to the left. :cool:

[Chuck Haggard]

Dude, you have no idea the J frame drama and pain that I have felt over the years.

[Rich]

The GS is a few thousandths longer. If you are interested in the specific numbers, I can put the calipers back on them and write the numbers down.

What is causing the actual feeding issue is the extremely short ogive of the GS bullet.

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I sent a email to LE Rem . They are good at returning my emails. Anyway I asked about the OAL of GSB9MMD.
I compared it this time to 124gr HST that I happen to have and you right it does have a loner OAL

[Rich]

I agree that the G42 can't replace a 642/442 for carrying in a jacket pocket. I've pointed a model 38/642/442 at more people than I can count who never had a clue that they were very far behind the power curve if things turned ugly. For me, that's the only role my J-frames will fill going forward. There is one other, and it's been touched on elsewhere. That's tangled shooting. I spent a fair amount of my early LSP time doing undercover stuff (Narcotics and Criminal Intelligence Sections).

Often my choice of pistols was an Airweight model 38 or bobbed hammer 36 with Pachmayr grips carried Appendix, no holster (criminals don't use holsters for a lot of reasons). It's almost impossible to generate enough leverage to rip that out combo out of your hand. If you are buying dope, negotiating deals, or mixing with criminals in a car, that's an important consideration.

As an old retired guy, my uses aren't so specialized. I'm almost always packing a larger Glock. The exception is some very low threat environments and dress. In that regard, I think I'm better armed with the G42 in my short's pocket than the 642, if only because I shoot it significantly better.

I can't shoot the very small .380s worth a crap either, having tried with a Ruger LSP and S&W Bodyguard. Trust me, the G42 is light years past those in shootability. It's big enough to shoot well but small adn light enough for a pocket.

I think Chuck made a comment saying the G 380 is pretty accurate! If I could shoot decent groups with the G42 at 15 and 25Y I might change my mind about the pocket sized 380.

[Rich]

You're pretty pleased with yourself, what with your non-defective J frames that hit point of aim and your non-mutant hands that don't push Glock shots to the left. :cool:

I hate shooting my M642 with my other hand.

[LSP552]

Two more range sessions and the little gun is now North of 700 rounds. During those trips, I’ve noticed a couple of things about how my grip and trigger control interact with the 42.

I have big skinny hands (gloves XL) and long fingers and keeping the gun anchored during rapid fire requires more effort than the larger Glocks. While the recoil is mild, I need more lateral pressure to keep support hand meat on it and prevent it from moving around. The gun is so slim that it’s taking a bit more effort to keep consistent pressure on the grip.

The other issue was trigger finger placement. I found myself getting too much finger on the trigger. My finger wants to naturally fall very close to the first joint, which was contributing to the slight left lean on the target. I’m getting my best results with the trigger about 1/3 from the tip to the 1st joint.

Tweaking my grip and trigger finger placement keeps the groups centered where they need to me. When I got sloppy, they would creep about 2” left at 10 yards. Same drills, just varying trigger finger placement and grip technique made that much difference for me.

The trigger is still heavy and is a detriment to wringing out the max accuracy, at least in my hands. I need to dig into it and do a minor polishing job.

The more I shoot the little gun, the more I like it. It’s accurate and I shoot it much better than my J-frames. Like any new pistol, it required some quality time to figure out how to best drive it.

[GJM]

Two more range sessions and the little gun is now North of 700 rounds. During those trips, I’ve noticed a couple of things about how my grip and trigger control interact with the 42.

I have big skinny hands (gloves XL) and long fingers and keeping the gun anchored during rapid fire requires more effort than the larger Glocks. While the recoil is mild, I need more lateral pressure to keep support hand meat on it and prevent it from moving around. The gun is so slim that it’s taking a bit more effort to keep consistent pressure on the grip.

The other issue was trigger finger placement. I found myself getting too much finger on the trigger. My finger wants to naturally fall very close to the first joint, which was contributing to the slight left lean on the target. I’m getting my best results with the trigger about 1/3 from the tip to the 1st joint.

Tweaking my grip and trigger finger placement keeps the groups centered where they need to me. When I got sloppy, they would creep about 2” left at 10 yards. Same drills, just varying trigger finger placement and grip technique made that much difference for me.

The trigger is still heavy and is a detriment to wringing out the max accuracy, at least in my hands. I need to dig into it and do a minor polishing job.

The more I shoot the little gun, the more I like it. It’s accurate and I shoot it much better than my J-frames. Like any new pistol, it required some quality time to figure out how to best drive it.

This report jives with my experience, right down to my skinny finger XL glove size hands. After shooting the DERP a few days ago, and getting both my head hits at 25 with the 42, I continue to think this thing is the best shooting small pistol I have. The Trijicon HD sights help a lot. I am fine with the heavier trigger as I hope to do pocket carry with it.

As pointed out previously, the 42 doesn't draw from a pocket as well as a J frame. Right now, I don't have a satisfactory pocket holster. The Talon Tactical kydex pocket holster is neat, but often I get it and the 42 together when I draw it. My normal milk crate holster doesn't seem secure enough for a striker pistol. What are folks using?

It is light enough to channel Jody and carry it in the pocket of my lounge wear, but I have done that with an empty chamber.

Finally, I have had great results -- accuracy and reliability with the Black Hills load with the 90 grain XTP bullet.

[WilsonCombatRep]

I really like this little pea shooter. My example works 100% and shot to POA at 10 yards. I need to do a little chronograph work to see what my my ammo is really doing but otherwise it is a much better micro gun than I was expecting.

[Crow Hunter]

My wife got one this weekend. It has a born on date of 9/18/14 and has all the design changes that were mentioned in another thread.

I was playing with it yesterday compared to my 642. The trigger on my wife's 42 is exceptional, for a Glock anyway. It is smoother and seems to have less "sproing" than our other Glocks and surprisingly light based on what I have read about other's trigger weight.

Just dry firing it, I liked it much better than the 642 although it does seem very tiny in the hand. But not as small as our other tiny option (NAA Guardian .32ACP)

There was a distinct lack of .380 around my area so we didn't get to shoot it yet. I hope to get to shoot it later this week for a few rounds anyway. I was really impressed by the way the mag release "feels" and releases. I like it much more than the standard Gen 3 magazine that I am used to.

She is very excited by it. She usually carries a G26 and she can't on body carry it most of the time as she is so tiny. She is actually, already, wanting to find a belt/pocket holster. I asked her to wait until she actually shot it before she got too carried away.;)

If it shoots as well as you guy's guns and I like it as much shooting live as I do dry firing, I may be trading that 642 on another G42.

[JHC]

We have 200 rounds of ball through a new (Aug test fire) G42 and the little thing is a hoot. Runs good. My RCBS scale that measures my minus connector Glocks at 5 1/4 - 5 1/2 lbs measures ours at about 7 lbs. I had no trouble with it being IPSC headbox accurate at 15 yards with ease but I made a hash of it at 25 yards. I definitely learned to back my long finger off that trigger to the pad.
Helluva cool little pistol.

Several folks around here with Glock mothership connections say the 9mm version is real and coming pretty soon (SHOT?). Even if that gun arrives and is the Grail of small single stack 9's, it may never be as grin inducing cool as this little micro with hardly any recoil.

[Chuck Haggard]

Pretty sure there is no way they can get a 9mm into a package as small and light as the 42. If they do I'd predict heavy recoil, low reliability/durability.

[JHC]

Pretty sure there is no way they can get a 9mm into a package as small and light as the 42. If they do I'd predict heavy recoil, low reliability/durability.

The frame definitely has to be stretched for length. May have to go wider too. IDK.

[TCinVA]

The barrel on the .42 is very thin...I can't see a 9mm barrel being that thin. I think the Shield is about as small as a reasonably durable 9mm gets.

[Chuck Haggard]

The barrel on the .42 is very thin...I can't see a 9mm barrel being that thin. I think the Shield is about as small as a reasonably durable 9mm gets.

^This^

[Crow Hunter]

We have 200 rounds of ball through a new (Aug test fire) G42 and the little thing is a hoot. Runs good. My RCBS scale that measures my minus connector Glocks at 5 1/4 - 5 1/2 lbs measures ours at about 7 lbs. I had no trouble with it being IPSC headbox accurate at 15 yards with ease but I made a hash of it at 25 yards. I definitely learned to back my long finger off that trigger to the pad.
Helluva cool little pistol.

Several folks around here with Glock mothership connections say the 9mm version is real and coming pretty soon (SHOT?). Even if that gun arrives and is the Grail of small single stack 9's, it may never be as grin inducing cool as this little micro with hardly any recoil.

That is nice to know about the recoil. My only previous experience with .380 was in a PPK and a P232. The PPK was not fun at all to shoot, it down right hurt at times. The P232 must not have had much recoil because I don't remember anything about it recoil wise but I do remember that my wife didn't like it.

That is one of the reasons I don't like my 642. With reasonably concealable grips, it hurts to shoot if I miss my grip by just a little and even when I do it right, I don't enjoy shooting more than a couple of cylinders full. My wife only fired one round and she was done and said "This is why I only like Glocks" and handed it back to me.

Of course, technically my wife bought the G42 and it is hers....

So all the .380 ammo we find will probably be for her.:(

But maybe she will let me shoot it.:)

[LSP552]

The barrel on the .42 is very thin...I can't see a 9mm barrel being that thin. I think the Shield is about as small as a reasonably durable 9mm gets.

I agree TC. The other thing is shootability. The G42 isn't as small as some .380s, but it's much more shootable, at least in my hands. All of my G42 time has been indoors so it's been limited to 50 ft. When I do my part, 50 ft head shots are a give me. I can't say ANYTHING approaching that with my buddy's LCP or S&W Bodyguard. While smaller, they just don't lend themselves to shooting well.

It's possible to go too small, and while I would love to see a Glock single stack 9mm, I wouldn't want to give up the shootability of the G26. I don't know where you draw the line, I just know there is one. I want a slim 9mm Glock single stack, I just don't know how much smaller you can make it without giving up too much.

[JHC]

I wouldn't want to give up the shootability of the G26.

Me neither. Plus 10 on board. That's my smallest EDC and I've never gotten too worked up for a single stack pocket 9. (general reminder that for me a G42 is not a street EDC pistol)

I would like a G42 in .22LR too.

[LSP552]

Me neither. Plus 10 on board. That's my smallest EDC and I've never gotten too worked up for a single stack pocket 9. (general reminder that for me a G42 is not a street EDC pistol)

I would like a G42 in .22LR too.

We are in complete agreement. In truth, I think I'd rather have the .22 version first.

[MGW]

I've heard people speculate that Glock might stretch the 42 for 9mm the way Sig did the 238/938. I would personally really like to see Glock's single stack nine in the PPS size range with the magazine options to match. If the PPS had an American magazine release I would still own one. Keep the texture and no finger grooves from the 42 and it would be about perfect in my opinion.

[GJM]

I think it is near certain there will be a single stack 9 from Glock in 2015. Beyond that, it is all speculation. Since I am guessing, it is that it will be essentially a Glock 42 scaled up the minimum amount to hold and function with 9mm.

[JHC]

I've heard people speculate that Glock might stretch the 42 for 9mm the way Sig did the 238/938. I would personally really like to see Glock's single stack nine in the PPS size range with the magazine options to match. If the PPS had an American magazine release I would still own one. Keep the texture and no finger grooves from the 42 and it would be about perfect in my opinion.

You know, just as Glock antagonized half the interweb with a less than smallest in class .380; which is pretty much a big hit; maybe their single stack 9 will defy the small as possible thinking and do as you describe. I agree with you. That would be cool.

[GJM]

OK, so what holster are folks using to pocket carry the 42?

[JHC]

OK, so what holster are folks using to pocket carry the 42?

Well it fits nicely into the el cheapo Uncle Mikes . . . I dunno, size 2 maybe? I'll double check it, but it's not much of a holster in the scheme of things.

I'm going to order a Dark Star clip for it. I'm not that high on pocket carry unless just doing yard work maybe (no moose in my yard) and the Uncle Mikes would suffice for that I guess.

[LSP972]

I have big skinny hands (gloves XL) and long fingers and keeping the gun anchored during rapid fire requires more effort than the larger Glocks. While the recoil is mild, I need more lateral pressure to keep support hand meat on it and prevent it from moving around. The gun is so slim that it’s taking a bit more effort to keep consistent pressure on the grip.



This is what killed the Shield for me… and I have small hands, compared to your jap slappers. I can well imagine you're struggling to hold onto that little critter. I finally got to shoot one, and it squirms a bit for me as well.

Re the 9mm single stack… dunno if it has been mentioned or not, but Glock must create a new frame mold; the length of the grip frame (parallel to the bore axis) is not deep enough to accommodate the 9mm cartridge.

If only HK would jump on that band wagon… but scuttlebutt has it that they are going to make an HK4 redux in .380. Sigh…


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[LSP552]

OK, so what holster are folks using to pocket carry the 42?

I ordered a DeSantis Nemesis because it was quickest to get. Frankly, it sucks because it's too big to fit in anything but a cargo pocket. I was looking for something to fit in the front pocket of my dress slacks but the Nemesis/G42 combo just won't work there for me. I might cut the bottom "wing" off and see it improves any. As is, it's just too wide for any of my dress slacks or jeans. It's also 1/2 inch longer than it needs to be. It does fit in the cargo pocket of my shorts. RKBA will see an order for their pocket holster tomorrow.

I also ordered a Ken Null ankle holster for the 42. The Null ankle holster for a J-frame is the best ankle holster I've every used, and I've tried just about all of them over the years. My last Null lasted 20 years of constant use before it gave up the ghost. I ordered a replacement J-frame ankle holster at the same time and received both in two weeks. The positioning of the 42 holster is bothering my ankle bone a bit, due to skinny/boney legs, so the jury is still out on that one. I'm sure it would work fine on someone with bigger ankles. The J-frame holster is on my ankle as I type this. It's still the most comfortable ankle holster I've ever used and highly recommend them.

I will be glad when my Dark Star comes….hint Tom :)

[Chuck Haggard]

That DSG IWB clip holster Tom built for me is money. Works great, even without a belt. It's my wearing gym shorts and going to work out/mow the grass gun/holster combo

[JHC]

That DSG IWB clip holster Tom built for me is money. Works great, even without a belt. It's my wearing gym shorts and going to work out/mow the grass gun/holster combo

I plan to order one of those promptly.

[Totem Polar]

You know, just as Glock antagonized half the interweb with a less than smallest in class .380; which is pretty much a big hit; maybe their single stack 9 will defy the small as possible thinking and do as you describe. I agree with you. That would be cool.
I think the gunwebs found out that betting against Glock is like betting against Tom Cruise as an actor: very satisfying to do, and probably many people's (including me) first knee-jerk reaction, but ultimately not a good bet. The G42 is like the Jack Reacher casting choice of pocket pistols; no way it should have worked size-wise, but it does.

ps. my AAPHxxx serial G42 from MLK day's bulk ship is still providing grins.

[Rich]

I ordered a DeSantis Nemesis because it was quickest to get. Frankly, it sucks because it's too big to fit in anything but a cargo pocket. I was looking for something to fit in the front pocket of my dress slacks but the Nemesis/G42 combo just won't work there for me. I might cut the bottom "wing" off and see it improves any. As is, it's just too wide for any of my dress slacks or jeans. It's also 1/2 inch longer than it needs to be. It does fit in the cargo pocket of my shorts. RKBA will see an order for their pocket holster tomorrow.

I also ordered a Ken Null ankle holster for the 42. The Null ankle holster for a J-frame is the best ankle holster I've every used, and I've tried just about all of them over the years. My last Null lasted 20 years of constant use before it gave up the ghost. I ordered a replacement J-frame ankle holster at the same time and received both in two weeks. The positioning of the 42 holster is bothering my ankle bone a bit, due to skinny/boney legs, so the jury is still out on that one. I'm sure it would work fine on someone with bigger ankles. The J-frame holster is on my ankle as I type this. It's still the most comfortable ankle holster I've ever used and highly recommend them.

I will be glad when my Dark Star comes….hint Tom :)

G42/ Nemesis doesn't fit well in your front pocket. Sounds like the G42 is kind a big for pocket carry.

I'm so glad you guys are reporting good accuracy at distance.
Main reason I gave up on pocket 380 was because of accuracy at distance not because of the performance issues .

I don't know ?? If I had to wear the G42 IWB . I`d rather go with a sub compact 9mm P2000sk or G26.

[Crow Hunter]

I think the gunwebs found out that betting against Glock is like betting against Tom Cruise as an actor: very satisfying to do, and probably many people's (including me) first knee-jerk reaction, but ultimately not a good bet. The G42 is like the Jack Reacher casting choice of pocket pistols; no way it should have worked size-wise, but it does.

ps. my AAPHxxx serial G42 from MLK day's bulk ship is still providing grins.

Now that is funny.

Especially since my wife (new G42 owner) absolutely hates Tom Cruise but seems to like every movie we watch that has him in it.

:D

[MGW]

OK, so what holster are folks using to pocket carry the 42?

I'm using a Blackhawk (just like Uncle Mikes) size 3 and an RKBA ambidextrous. The RKBA breaks up the outline really well, works fine in cargo shorts but not so well in khakis. The Blackhawk is comfortable but doesn't always breakup the outline well.

I'm thinking about trying a PCS Tomahawk pocket holster. Looks like it would work really well in khakis and dress pants.

[MGW]

G42/ Nemesis doesn't fit well in your front pocket. Sounds like the G42 is kind a big for pocket carry.

I'm so glad you guys are reporting good accuracy at distance.
Main reason I gave up on pocket 380 was because of accuracy at distance not because of the performance issues .

I don't know ?? If I had to wear the G42 IWB . I`d rather go with a sub compact 9mm P2000sk or G26.

It really isn't to big for pocket carry it just doesn't work well with a Nemesis. I think the Nemesis is just a bit bulky and doesn't always release cleanly. That was my experience with one for a P290 anyway. Nemesis seemed to work a lot better for me with a J Frame.

[GJM]

I just am not interested in carrying a .380 pistol in my waistband. Ankle carry isn't my cup of tea between how many miles I walk every day, and the type of footwear I often wear in Alaska.

That really leaves pocket carry. Right now, the utility of the 42 is limited by not having a great pocket carry holster. My J frame works very well in the Nemesis, Kramer or even milk crate holster in my pocket. I don't even mind it in my Dark Star AIWB holster, as a second handgun, as it is minimally intrusive in my waistband.

Come on, there must be a great pocket carry holster out there?

[Totem Polar]

Now that is funny.

Especially since my wife (new G42 owner) absolutely hates Tom Cruise but seems to like every movie we watch that has him in it.

:D
I know, right? I'm almost ready to quit complaining about the guy.



Come on, there must be a great pocket carry holster out there?

I had good luck with a Sig P238 and the flat bottom holster by this guy, FWIW:
http://www.rkbaholsters.com/pocketcarry.html
I see he makes that holster for the G42. I'll probably be ordering one up myself, pretty quick.

[LSP972]

I had good luck with a Sig P238 and the flat bottom holster by this guy, FWIW:
http://www.rkbaholsters.com/pocketcarry.html
I see he makes that holster for the G42. I'll probably be ordering one up myself, pretty quick.

I've been using his J frame pocket holsters for quite a few years now. Of all the various offerings I've tried, his offers the best compromise of security/comfort/concealability. LSP552 checked mine out and elected to give this fellow's G42 example a try, so we'll know soon.

Me, I'm staying with a J frame. But here's the kicker; I use it for a secondary ONLY. LSP552 still has to pay attention to his dress code, due to his position at his retirement gig. We have discussed his reasons for selecting the G42; they are valid. Besides, he has as much experience carrying iron in various capacities as I do (maybe a bit more, since he actually had to use a mouse gun once), so I'm not about to argue with, or second guess, his choices.

I, OTOH, have a more relaxed retirement gig and can dress around a serious piece all the time, every day. So the G42 interests me not in the slightest.

But the forthcoming mini-9mm... despite my general dislike for Glocks, I'll be watching this one closely. And for IWB carry, not pocket.

.

[MGW]

I have some pictures of my RKBA I'll upload later.

[MGW]

RKBA ambi holster.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/14/1abc83a4d40691f1e4b9e1ea4afe04bf.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/14/e4edf94d3cd43725894161165d212ed4.jpg

It isn't ideal for khakis but works fine for jeans and cargo shorts. I prefer the Uncle Mikes but it tends to print more. Occasionally if I'm wearing something with really roomy pockets the RKBA will come out with the pistol. If I remember to draw more toward the rear of the pocket it'll usually catch and come off though. It's just now starting to break in well so that might change.

Uncle Mikes here.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/14/814151e71224c00a8b83a30411539b20.jpg

I know Dark Star Gear has a pretty slick pocket setup. Maybe he'll post some pics of it.

The 42 is easier to pocket carry in pants with smaller pockets over the J frame for me but seems to be a little pickier on finding a pocket holster that will keep it from printing and allow a clean draw.

One advantage the J frame has over the 42 though is the ability to always draw cleanly. Occasionally I'll fumble a draw with the 42 and hang the rear of the slide up on the front of my pocket. That's never an issue with a J frame.

[Fire-Medic]

I've been a lurker on and off for some time, and know some of the members here from other forums, but never felt like there was much for me to contribute.

I have used the following pocket holster in my early days with Glocks to CCW a G26 in my cargo shorts for summer time, I think the holster is affordable, works as advertised, and is well made. I have not used it to carry in the regular front pockets so can't comment as to how Kydex would perform in this arena, but just throwing this option out there as they make the pocket holster for the G42 so it's an option:

http://shop.aholster.com/product.sc;jsessionid=6370808D09C4F82D8A2234B28203 901B.m1plqscsfapp03?productId=1&categoryId=1

[JHC]

I've been a lurker on and off for some time, and know some of the members here from other forums, but never felt like there was much for me to contribute.

I have used the following pocket holster in my early days with Glocks to CCW a G26 in my cargo shorts for summer time, I think the holster is affordable, works as advertised, and is well made. I have not used it to carry in the regular front pockets so can't comment as to how Kydex would perform in this arena, but just throwing this option out there as they make the pocket holster for the G42 so it's an option:

http://shop.aholster.com/product.sc;jsessionid=6370808D09C4F82D8A2234B28203 901B.m1plqscsfapp03?productId=1&categoryId=1

That's new one on me. Thanks!

[LtDave]

Shot the AZ DPS backup gun qualification today with my G42. Ammo was issue Speer Gold Dot 90 grain JHP. 50 rounds fired from 15 to 50 yards:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5257620/IMG_0314.jpg

[Fire-Medic]

Good shooting LtDave, that would definitely do. I'm assuming you're liking your G42 if you chose to qualify with it as your BUG....... :cool:

[JHC]

15 to . . . FIFTY YARDS??? Holy smokes man that's sick!

[Chuck Haggard]

Told you they were accurate.

[Mike C]

Yeah, that is some pretty stellar shooting LtDave. LtDave, if you qual. on a bug to 50 yards whats the max range for your primary qual., if you don't mind me asking? Couldn't find it when goggling it. Thanks.

[GJM]

The 42 with proper sights is crazy accurate for a pocket pistol. I think, but can't remember reporting a few pages back going 4/4 on an 8 inch steel at 50 with mine. Plus, I ran the Derp Test and got both my head shot hits at 25 yards recently. I can't imagine doing that with a J frame and the typical sights. Plus, it recoils like a Glock 19 or less.

[LSP552]

I did some surgery to my Nemesis today and it's a LOT better. I cut the wing off and about 1/2 inch from the bottom and then used a lighter to seal the cut. No problem with anything coming apart and it fits my slack pockets much better. I will try to take and post some pictures tomorrow.

Great shooting LtDave!

[MGW]

I did some surgery to my Nemesis today and it's a LOT better. I cut the wing off and about 1/2 inch from the bottom and then used a lighter to seal the cut. No problem with anything coming apart and it fits my slack pockets much better. I will try to take and post some pictures tomorrow.

Great shooting LtDave!

Please do. What size did you start with?

[LtDave]

15 to . . . FIFTY YARDS??? Holy smokes man that's sick!

OOOPS. I misspoke 15 to "3" yards. But it is amazingly accurate. I installed Ameriglo Operators on mine.

[JHC]

OOOPS. I misspoke 15 to "3" yards. But it is amazingly accurate. I installed Ameriglo Operators on mine.

Ha! Nice. :D

[Mike C]

OOOPS. I misspoke 15 to "3" yards. But it is amazingly accurate. I installed Ameriglo Operators on mine.

Ha had me thinking you guys were out there shooting quals with a primary at 75 or something. Because damn 50 yards... for a bug?

[Chuck Haggard]

We have one qual, duty gun or BUG, and it has 10 out of 50 rounds fired at the 25. For most folks its a challenge to do well with a BUG. I think our qual is actually a hell of a good BUG COF, it's also snubby neutral.

[LtDave]

Ha had me thinking you guys were out there shooting quals with a primary at 75 or something. Because damn 50 yards... for a bug?

We only go out to 50 yards with the rifle, 25 yards with duty & secondary guns. Back in the day at Quantico we shot 50 yards with the 3" M13. Shot a 300 twice, but unfortunately never on the day that it counted for real.

[LSP552]

Here are the modifications I did on the Nemesis for the G42. I cut the wing that projected back to the end of the grip and trimmed off at least 1/2 inch off the bottom. The holster is now usable in dress slacks. The holster is made of a foam core material and there was no problem with it coming apart. I sealed the edges with a lighter just to be to be sure.

Hope this works, my first time posting pics here. The 442 in a Kramer Pocket holster is there for comparison.

http://www2.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=9353283022/a=12547031022_12547031022/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=snapfish/

[SWAT Lt.]

I installed Ameriglo CAP sights (I opened the rear sight window a tad with a file as it was a bit too narrow to suit me) and a Talon grip. The Talon grip (rubber) keeps the gun from moving about in my hand, adds minimal bulk, and is not permanent like stippling. I am not enamored with the .380 cartridge and am aware of its limitations when I choose to carry it. However, I completely agree with LSP552 (and others) that the advantages of the G42 over a J frame are worth the trade off for many shooters.

[MGW]

I noticed Ameriglo has the Hack sights in stock for the 42. I haven't decided if I'm going to change the sights or not but the Hacks are pretty tempting.

[LSP552]

I noticed Ameriglo has the Hack sights in stock for the 42. I haven't decided if I'm going to change the sights or not but the Hacks are pretty tempting.

I'm leaning toward the Ameriglo Operators, which is what I have on my other social Glocks.

[MGW]

I haven't had time to go to the range the last few weeks so I've been working lots of dry fire drills in the evenings. The one thing I've found, which is true for any pocket auto I've tried, is the 42 is a lot more likely to hang up drawing from the pocket. My 442 will come out cleanly every single time on the other hand. Big plus to the J frame for pocket carry.

[LSP552]

I haven't had time to go to the range the last few weeks so I've been working lots of dry fire drills in the evenings. The one thing I've found, which is true for any pocket auto I've tried, is the 42 is a lot more likely to hang up drawing from the pocket. My 442 will come out cleanly every single time on the other hand. Big plus to the J frame for pocket carry.

I'd agree that the 442/642s are the easiest gun to draw from a pocket. One technique that helps with the G42 is to place the thumb on the back of the slide. My long thumb indexes on the rear sight. This adds a smooth curve to the back of gun and help it come out of the pocket. The rear of the slide is the grabby part and the thumb index eliminates this. The thumb simply slides down to complete your grip as the gun clears your pocket.

[camsdaddy]

I'd agree that the 442/642s are the easiest gun to draw from a pocket. One technique that helps with the G42 is to place the thumb on the back of the slide. My long thumb indexes on the rear sight. This adds a smooth curve to the back of gun and help it come out of the pocket. The rear of the slide is the grabby part and the thumb index eliminates this. The thumb simply slides down to complete your grip as the gun clears your pocket.

I do this when drawing my 26 from a smartcarry holster.

[Beat Trash]

I'd agree that the 442/642s are the easiest gun to draw from a pocket. One technique that helps with the G42 is to place the thumb on the back of the slide. My long thumb indexes on the rear sight. This adds a smooth curve to the back of gun and help it come out of the pocket. The rear of the slide is the grabby part and the thumb index eliminates this. The thumb simply slides down to complete your grip as the gun clears your pocket.

When I used to pocket carry a Kahr PM9 in the summer, i'd grab the rear sight with my thumb during the draw in much the same fashion as you are describing.

I am NOT a fan of the 380, but you guys have me tempted to buy one of these Glock 42's.

[Depmur]

I was in the local GT Distributors on Wednesday and they had the blue label 42's in stock. For the price I figured it was a no brainer, I've been carrying a LCP as a secondary pistol for a couple of years and realizers it's short comings from day one. I've been at the range all week with our BPSC and their firearms training, this gave me a chance to put some rounds through the 42. I am currently at 450 rounds without an issue, shot it straight from the box. I have shot my Departments qual course and scored 96, had to adjust the time though due to only having 2 mags. I ordered one of the RKBA pocket holsters for it a couple of days ago and have been carrying it in my pocket in a old Uncle Mikes holster. I can see this replacing the LCP as my secondary pistol pretty soon...

[Crow Hunter]

My wife and I finally got to shoot her G42 this weekend.

Her quote : "I LOVE THIS GUN!!"

If this gun were a man, I would probably be seeing a divorce in my future. She was shooting at 10 yard and able to basically shoot the eyeballs out of the target. Moving back to 15 yards, she was keeping them in around a fist sized group. At 25 yards she was grouping them in the upper thoracic area easily. She is really wanting some Trijicon sights and holsters for it now. Any leads on a good IWB holster for a petite woman? Think Jodie Foster from Silence of the Lambs.

I am not quite as big of a fan. I had trouble shooting it. I don't have extra big hands but I have "long palms". I could not be consistent with it. It seemed to want to wiggle shot to shot with me. I didn't feel "locked in" like I normally do. I seemed to be touching the trigger with a different part of my index finger with every shot. I couldn't pull the trigger with the tip of my index finger. It was just too hard to get my finger to twist that way. I seemed to get my most consistent results I felt like I was pulling the trigger with my index finger knuckle.:o

She was MUCH more accurate with it than I was. Which I am sure delighted her even more.

It had almost no recoil, the report was mild (using WWB), the sights sucked. We only fired around 100 rounds. I did enjoy shooting it more than my 642 with a Pacmayr Compac grip on it. I just was not as consistent with it as I am with a G19/G26. But I was able to get more shots on target faster with the G42 than the 642.

I am not sure that I will be getting one for my own use yet. I want to do a few more sessions with it. Now if Glock really is going to be releasing a 9mm model that has a slightly longer trigger reach that would be a delight for me. I will probably wait until after SHOT and see what happens.

[VolGrad]

Look at the CCC Versaclip for IWB. It carries and conceals well. Should be good on a slim female.

[GJM]

Until today, haven't found a great pocket holster for my G42. Tony at JM made one for me, and I received it today. It conceals the pistol well and allows for a smooth pocket draw. While it looks BIG, it carries small! This was made for my left front pocket, and is perfect for Vertx pants.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/JM4_zpsaacc59d3.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/JM4_zpsaacc59d3.jpg.html)

[Savage Hands]

Until today, haven't found a great pocket holster for my G42. Tony at JM made one for me, and I received it today. It conceals the pistol well and allows for a smooth pocket draw. While it looks BIG, it carries small! This was made for my left front pocket, and is perfect for Vertx pants.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/JM4_zpsaacc59d3.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/JM4_zpsaacc59d3.jpg.html)

I want one!

[Chuck Whitlock]

Look at the CCC Versaclip for IWB. It carries and conceals well. Should be good on a slim female.

The one I have for a Kahr CW9 is sweet!

[LSP552]

I have a Kramer Pocket Holster on order, 6 - 8 weeks delivery. I've used a Kramer for my 642/442s for 20+ years and really like it. The kydex shell does a great job of camouflaging the gun to looks like a wallet in your pocket. I'm looking forward to seeing their execution with the G42.

Another 100 rounds went down range last weekend. Most of this practice session was all about emptying the gun into a single target at 5 - 7 yards. The little gun is VERY controllable in rapid fire. I didn't bring the timer, and I'm hampered by the factory dovetail protectors, but I swear the little gat shoots like a friggin 17 at ATM range.

[Crow Hunter]

I have a Kramer Pocket Holster on order, 6 - 8 weeks delivery. I've used a Kramer for my 642/442s for 20+ years and really like it. The kydex shell does a great job of camouflaging the gun to looks like a wallet in your pocket. I'm looking forward to seeing their execution with the G42.

Another 100 rounds went down range last weekend. Most of this practice session was all about emptying the gun into a single target at 5 - 7 yards. The little gun is VERY controllable in rapid fire. I didn't bring the timer, and I'm hampered by the factory dovetail protectors, but I swear the little gat shoots like a friggin 17 at ATM range.

I can definitely vouch for the recoil. After playing some with my wife's G42, I finished up my shooting with my G19 loaded with 124gr Lawman. I fired my first round in the G19 and thought I was shooting a .40 S&W. ;)

[LSP552]

Am I the only person who wants Glock to make a .22 LR version? Now that would be a hoot!

[JHC]

Am I the only person who wants Glock to make a .22 LR version? Now that would be a hoot!

Oh no me too. And lots of others. It has to happen someday. That would be a must have IMO. ;)

Although that S&W M&P 22 compact is a very cool pistol in the hand. I haven't shot one.

[Chuck Haggard]

Or for AA to at least make one more conversion kit for the Glocks............

[Crow Hunter]

I would under the presupposition that .22 LR could actually be found on the shelves sometime after its release.

I have seen more boxes of 6.5 Arisaka and 7mm Spanish Mauser on the shelves than I do .22 LR in the last couple of years.

[GJM]

Spent some time shooting my G42 from the JM pocket holster this afternoon. The pistols draws like I expect with a J frame.

Couldn't resist, and was, on demand, wacking the 8 inch steel at 40 yards with the 42, HD sights, and Black Hills XTP JHP ammo. Never had a pocket pistol that shoots so soft and accurately.

[Totem Polar]

^^^Talk to me about your sights. Where'd you order them up from? Thanks in advance!

[Savage Hands]

I was debating on the HD's and Ameriglo CAP sights since I was worried the HD sights would snag in the pocket. I guess that JMC Pocket Holster helps keep that from happening. :cool:

[GJM]

^^^Talk to me about your sights. Where'd you order them up from? Thanks in advance!

think I got them from Brownell's.


I was debating on the HD's and Ameriglo CAP sights since I was worried the HD sights would snag in the pocket. I guess that JMC Pocket Holster helps keep that from happening. :cool:

no snag with the HD sights coming out of Tony's pocket holster!

[Savage Hands]

think I got them from Brownell's.



no snag with the HD sights coming out of Tony's pocket holster!


Awesome, thanks for the heads up!

[Up1911Fan]

I've got HD's and one of Tony's pocket holsters, plus the DSG casual clip holster coming for my new 42. This will be my first time using the HD's, figured i'd see what all the hype was about.

[Savage Hands]

I've got HD's and one of Tony's pocket holsters, plus the DSG casual clip holster coming for my new 42. This will be my first time using the HD's, figured i'd see what all the hype was about.

Those two holsters and those sights seem to be the hot setup.

[JHC]

Spent some time shooting my G42 from the JM pocket holster this afternoon. The pistols draws like I expect with a J frame.

Couldn't resist, and was, on demand, wacking the 8 inch steel at 40 yards with the 42, HD sights, and Black Hills XTP JHP ammo. Never had a pocket pistol that shoots so soft and accurately.

Sweet! I have still not managed to put 5 on an 8" paper plate at 25 yards! Tried again this morning. Shot a couple 3" 25 yard groups with one of my G19s but could not keep them on the plate with the G42. 15 yard headbox no problem, but ate up at 25. lol

[GJM]

Sweet! I have still not managed to put 5 on an 8" paper plate at 25 yards! Tried again this morning. Shot a couple 3" 25 yard groups with one of my G19s but could not keep them on the plate with the G42. 15 yard headbox no problem, but ate up at 25. lol


What sights and ammo are you using?

[Rex G]

Thanks for the range reports and replies! My employer's new "off-duty/back-up" qual is not kind to revolvers, as we shoot one "magazine" at 15 yards, one "magazine" at 7 yards, and then move to two yards, where we must shoot the balance of fifty rounds within 30 seconds. This has me considering .380 options.

[Chuck Haggard]

Thanks for the range reports and replies! My employer's new "off-duty/back-up" qual is not kind to revolvers, as we shoot one "magazine" at 15 yards, one "magazine" at 7 yards, and then move to two yards, where we must shoot the balance of fifty rounds within 30 seconds. This has me considering .380 options.

WTF?

That course sounds all kinda stupid.

[GardoneVT]

Thanks for the range reports and replies! My employer's new "off-duty/back-up" qual is not kind to revolvers, as we shoot one "magazine" at 15 yards, one "magazine" at 7 yards, and then move to two yards, where we must shoot the balance of fifty rounds within 30 seconds. This has me considering .380 options.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/07/7-17-07-computer_out_window.jpg

[JHC]

What sights and ammo are you using?

OEM plastic sights and PMC ball. Yeah, pretty weak sauce.

[BN]

Every time I think about getting a Glock 42, I remember all the decapping pins I have broken when .380 brass gets mixed in with my 9mm. :(

Besides, my PM9 is the same size and shoots a real cartridge. ;)

[LSP552]

Thanks for the range reports and replies! My employer's new "off-duty/back-up" qual is not kind to revolvers, as we shoot one "magazine" at 15 yards, one "magazine" at 7 yards, and then move to two yards, where we must shoot the balance of fifty rounds within 30 seconds. This has me considering .380 options.

As a general rule, Chiefs shouldn't get involved with designing gun stuff……...

[GJM]

Joe shamed me into shooting the 42 on paper. First picture is the 42 offhand at 25, second picture is sitting at 25 (only six fired from sitting).

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/g421_zpsf8618d4c.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/g421_zpsf8618d4c.jpg.html)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/g422_zps423253d9.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/g422_zps423253d9.jpg.html)

[Kyle Reese]

Thanks for the range reports and replies! My employer's new "off-duty/back-up" qual is not kind to revolvers, as we shoot one "magazine" at 15 yards, one "magazine" at 7 yards, and then move to two yards, where we must shoot the balance of fifty rounds within 30 seconds. This has me considering .380 options.

That qual makes no sense (no offense intended, of course).

[Rex G]

As a general rule, Chiefs shouldn't get involved with designing gun stuff……...

Well, it is possible that the different shifts simply do it differently; our PD is huge, so our qual range runs three shifts! The previous time I qual'ed, it was during night shift; when the duty pistol qual finished, I switched to the off-duty/back-up pistol, and fired all fifty rounds from 15 yards, at my own pace. I will check with the night shift guys, to verify this. Each shift's commanding supervisor can exercise quite a bit of control.

I think the reason for one mag at 15, one mag at 7, and then finishing the balance of fifty rounds, rapid-firing, at two yards, is to encourage us to carry bigger and/or higher-capacity weapons. Some of the RO's words, in hindsight, lead me to think so. (There has been a parallel urging, during the officer safety part of the annual classrooom in-service training, that we carry serious fighting pistols all of the time.) Instead of mandating the elimination of tiny guns, the qual is made more difficult to achieve with revolvers and low-cap weapons, perhaps?

We can, actually, opt to shoot an off-duty/back-up weapon on the duty handgun qual course, which is easy enough to pass with a six-shot revolver, if one's speedloading skills are good, but quite a bit more challenging, though possible, with a five-shot, assuming the empties are reliably kicked out, clean, with no fumbles.

[JHC]

Joe shamed me into shooting the 42 on paper. First picture is the 42 offhand at 25, second picture is sitting at 25 (only six fired from sitting).

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LOL nice. OK I don't take pictures of targets I'm about to describe but picture your picture with only 2 bullet holes out of 5 in it. That's mine. LOL!!!

[LSP552]

Well, it is possible that the different shifts simply do it differently; our PD is huge, so our qual range runs three shifts! The previous time I qual'ed, it was during night shift; when the duty pistol qual finished, I switched to the off-duty/back-up pistol, and fired all fifty rounds from 15 yards, at my own pace. I will check with the night shift guys, to verify this. Each shift's commanding supervisor can exercise quite a bit of control.

I think the reason for one mag at 15, one mag at 7, and then finishing the balance of fifty rounds, rapid-firing, at two yards, is to encourage us to carry bigger and/or higher-capacity weapons. Some of the RO's words, in hindsight, lead me to think so. (There has been a parallel urging, during the officer safety part of the annual classrooom in-service training, that we carry serious fighting pistols all of the time.) Instead of mandating the elimination of tiny guns, the qual is made more difficult to achieve with revolvers and low-cap weapons, perhaps?

We can, actually, opt to shoot an off-duty/back-up weapon on the duty handgun qual course, which is easy enough to pass with a six-shot revolver, if one's speedloading skills are good, but quite a bit more challenging, though possible, with a five-shot, assuming the empties are reliably kicked out, clean, with no fumbles.

No offense intended Rex. I've always believed in carrying big guns, but I think niche guns like the airweight J-frames shouldn't be eliminated from consideration for backup or off-duty. Most cops are pretty lax about carrying, so eliminating the easy to carry might set them up for not carrying at all. I like 5 or 6 shot neutral quals. If you would normally shoot 6, with a J-frame shoot five for the string.

Stay Safe.

[MGW]

Well, it is possible that the different shifts simply do it differently; our PD is huge, so our qual range runs three shifts! The previous time I qual'ed, it was during night shift; when the duty pistol qual finished, I switched to the off-duty/back-up pistol, and fired all fifty rounds from 15 yards, at my own pace. I will check with the night shift guys, to verify this. Each shift's commanding supervisor can exercise quite a bit of control.

I think the reason for one mag at 15, one mag at 7, and then finishing the balance of fifty rounds, rapid-firing, at two yards, is to encourage us to carry bigger and/or higher-capacity weapons. Some of the RO's words, in hindsight, lead me to think so. (There has been a parallel urging, during the officer safety part of the annual classrooom in-service training, that we carry serious fighting pistols all of the time.) Instead of mandating the elimination of tiny guns, the qual is made more difficult to achieve with revolvers and low-cap weapons, perhaps?

We can, actually, opt to shoot an off-duty/back-up weapon on the duty handgun qual course, which is easy enough to pass with a six-shot revolver, if one's speedloading skills are good, but quite a bit more challenging, though possible, with a five-shot, assuming the empties are reliably kicked out, clean, with no fumbles.

Not to derail this to much but what is your duty pistol?

[Rex G]

Not to derail this to much but what is your duty pistol?

SIG P229 DAK, .40 S&W cartridge. DAK was my choice; DA/SA is approved, too.

The other choices: P226 .40, P220 & P227 .45 ACP, G22/23, G21, S&W M&P .40 & .45; a myriad of other pistols grandfathered; this is for those in uniform. Plain-clothed investigators have other options, including 9mm and .38/.357. "Off-duty/back-up" is wide-open, with a very few restrictions. I can, should I choose, still tote a 1911 concealed on my own time, or even as a secondary weapon while on the clock! (We may be the largest agency still allowing the 1911 to be carried by any officer who chooses to buy and qual with one, though only those who grandfathered their 1911s in 1997 can still wear them in uniform.)

The minimum cartridges I can carry, as sole armament, are .380 ACP and .38 Special. Anything smaller can only be a back-up, carried in addition to .380/.38+. I have tended to pack much heavier than this.

Back to the G42: I finally handled one today. It made a good first impression!

[LtDave]

OEM plastic sights and PMC ball. Yeah, pretty weak sauce.

Top 3 ball loads in my G42 are Remington Leadless FNEB, Fiocchi FMJ & Armscor USA FMJ. All are sub 2" at 15 yards with the Remington going 1.25". Best 3 JHPs are Hornady FTX, Federal Hydra Shok and Winchester Ranger RA380T. The Hornady & Federal loads shoot 1.25". BTW, the Hydra Shok also hit 1.125" out of my S&W Bodyguard .380, right in the x-ring.

[Chuck Haggard]

The first 13 rounds out of my G42 were Fiocchi ball, centered a bit high in a 4" group in the top of the A zone, standing from 25 years.

[Rich]

The first 13 rounds out of my G42 were Fiocchi ball, centered a bit high in a 4" group in the top of the A zone, standing from 25 years.

Hell I wish I could do that with my compact pistol. Counting flyers I get 5 to 6inch groups hand held at 25yards. but I shoot kind a fast.
Never tried the Docs way of taking time in between shots.

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BTW good shooting Chuck

[Chuck Haggard]

Hell I wish I could do that with my compact pistol. Counting flyers I get 5 to 6inch groups hand held at 25yards. but I shoot kind a fast.
Never tried the Docs way of taking time in between shots.

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BTW good shooting Chuck

My issued G17 doesn't even hold that tight, wish it did.

[Up1911Fan]

I've got 500 rounds of Freedom Munitions 100gr RNFP and a few boxes of Gold Dot's on the way to test in mine. The gun, HD sights, ammo, extra mags and DSG holster should all be here by the end of the week.

[nycnoob]

My employer's new "off-duty/back-up" qual is not kind to revolvers, as we shoot one "magazine" at 15 yards, one "magazine" at 7 yards, and then move to two yards, where we must shoot the balance of fifty rounds within 30 seconds.


This just begs the question: "Who carries 50 rounds with them, when they are carrying a BUG?"

[JHC]

Top 3 ball loads in my G42 are Remington Leadless FNEB, Fiocchi FMJ & Armscor USA FMJ. All are sub 2" at 15 yards with the Remington going 1.25". Best 3 JHPs are Hornady FTX, Federal Hydra Shok and Winchester Ranger RA380T. The Hornady & Federal loads shoot 1.25". BTW, the Hydra Shok also hit 1.125" out of my S&W Bodyguard .380, right in the x-ring.

Thanks, I'll look our for those. Esp the Fiocchi which is seems I've had good luck with in 9mm. I'm sure I'm the weak link. Operative word "weak". Spoiled shooting all this minus connector 19s and 17s and getting overpowered by this stiffish little trigger I guess. ;)