Anyone go from a P30 to a P2000?

[shane45]

I currently have a P30 Lem. My buddy is trying to talk me out of it. My other HK is an HK45C Lem. I started thinking that letting it go and picking up a P2000 Lem might have some merit. The thought being that the grip profile of the P2K being much closer to that of the HK45C would lend its self to better consistency on the draw etc etc between the two. That and it looks like the P2K may be a bit better for CCW once I slide across the border out of New Jerseystan. Anything I would be really giving up beside a few rounds of mag capacity?

Regards,
Shane

[hufnagel]

I personally prefer the P30's grip overall to the P2000 or the P2000SK. It's a personal thing though so only you can decide, and frankly its something you won't know you like or don't like until you've lived with it for some time. That all said I have all 3; my P30 is my PA carry gun (since I have to OC, might as well carry the biggest of the family), my CC/nightstand gun is a P2000SK, and I picked up a P2000 in LEM just to see if LEM really was all that and a bag of chips (and because I wanted to have at least 1 of each of the P-series guns. :D )

The above is all just my personal opinion, and from a fellow Nazi Jermany resident. :cool:

[Salamander]

I prefer the P2000 LEM for carry. Given that it's almost exactly the same size as a G19, I'm surprised there aren't a lot more of them out there.

The extra few rounds in a P30 don't matter to me here in a 10-round mag state, and for concealed carry I prefer a compact over a full size gun... much easier to hide in the office environment.

[JDM]

JodyH is the guy you are looking for on this...

[ReverendMeat]

While the P2k is a fine pistol and somewhat more suitable dimensionally for concealment, I don't think it'd be worth the switch unless your buddy gives you enough for it to cover the P2k in full (then again, I'm poor and the money may be a non-issue for you). Though if you're looking for something for concealment the P2k SK would be different enough dimensionally from your P30 that it would be a more practical choice if you end up making the switch.

[Dagga Boy]

The P30 is a great "across the board" gun where it can fit into a lot of roles with a single pistol (duty, tactical, home defense, concealment). I was "late" on the P2000 (which is SO unlike me with HK stuff). I found the P2000 to be a great everyday concealment pistol. If all I did was straight concealed carry, I would be fine with the P2000. The biggest issue for me with the P2000 is sight availability and choices, but otherwise I carried the heck out of mine and like it. Currently, I am living with a VP9 and P2000SK as a bug pretty exclusively, but I would have no major issues with going back to the P30, P2000 or HK45/45C as the situation dictated. They are all solid in certain roles.

[Up1911Fan]

Handled a P30L the other day. Do want.

[LSP972]

. Anything I would be really giving up beside a few rounds of mag capacity?

Regards,
Shane

You would gain a bit of concealability. The P2000 matches your HK45C in height and width; the P30's longer, and slightly wider, butt has more potential for printing... depending upon, of course, your physique, holster choice, and type of cover garment.

I have all three; all LEMs. My concealment holster is made for the 45C, so all three fit in it, and I have carried all three at various times just to see what, if any, differences exist.

Aside from the longer butt of the P30, there ARE no differences in carrying them. The longer trigger reset of the P-series pistols can give you a bit of grief when switching back and forth, however.

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[Mike C]

For me, and depending on your body type going from the P30 to the P2000 might make a huge difference. For me the extra two-tenths of an inch in barrel length saves me from squashing a nut every time I sit down. Also with the flat floor plate the P2000 grip doesn't stick out past my waist line causing a bulge. Even when I ran a holster with a wedge or something similar it never tucked the butt of the P30 enough to hide the grip length. It usually lead me to cant the P30 towards my non dominant side when carrying AIWB which wasn't conducive to getting a good master or strong hand grip on the draw. If you can snag up a flat floor plate, or if you already have one for your 45c and can try that out you will get a very good idea of wether it will work for you or not as LSP972 stated.

Also JodyH is a good resource as others have stated he flirted with a P30 for a while but went back to a P2000. He's been running one for a while, I would certainly shoot him a PM if you have a question on anything. He gave me quite a few good recommendations on holsters for mine.

[LSP972]

HK45C magazine flat floorplates are a bit different in size and shape, and will not fit the P2000 magazine properly. It goes without saying (although I probably should have said it :D ) that one needs flat floorplates to maximize the concealability of these pistols. P30 magazines come standard with them, but P2000/USPc mags and HK45C mags usually have the finger extension type of floorplate that really sticks out when the pistol is holstered.

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[LorenzoS]

Shane, I acquired the P2KSK for carry after escaping New Jersey. I previously was dedicated to my P30 with LEM trigger.

I don't find the rounded / flatter grip profile difference to be a significant issue, although the shorter SK grip length certainly requires some adjustment compared to the full sized P30. I have medium sized hands and found the transition to be manageable and worth the better concealment. As a skinny guy, I do find the SK to be much more concealable than the P30. If you haven't yet done so it would be a good idea to handle both a P2000 and an SK to see how they fit you.

I'm happy with the combination of P30 for full sized uses and the SK for concealment.

[Mike C]

HK45C magazine flat floorplates are a bit different in size and shape, and will not fit the P2000 magazine properly. It goes without saying (although I probably should have said it :D ) that one needs flat floorplates to maximize the concealability of these pistols. P30 magazines come standard with them, but P2000/USPc mags and HK45C mags usually have the finger extension type of floorplate that really sticks out when the pistol is holstered.

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I was speaking in terms of applying the flat floor plate to the 45c and trying to conceal it that way. Cheaper than a blue gun of buying one just to try out.

[shane45]

Guys, thanks a bunch for the information. Truly appreciated. I'm 6'2", 250ish. I have had some hands on time on the P2k SK. I have medium large hands. If I had to save my life with an SK I believe I could do it and wouldn't mind having one as a bug perhaps. But I just don't like trying to shoot with small pistols. That's why the P2k caught my attention as being small but still big enough to get my mitts around it. Again, thanks for the info. I think the way this will play out is I will likely end up having both. Options in the tool box are always good right? :)

[YVK]

In my admittedly limited exposure to P2000 no magic advantage over P30 was found. Both require same effort to conceal for me.

P30L feels softer to me, and I do see sight radius benefits. I kind of prefer 4 inch or less for AIWB though.

P2000SK: if one forgets about subjective discomfort and feeling cramped on a grip with an extended mag, one will notice how high on a gun one can get, and keep staying there. Combined with enough girth for a full support hand placement, this makes for a great little shooter of a small gun.
If I could keep 2000sk and 30L, I could live without 2000 and 30.

[GJM]

Jody made a comment that he shot the P2000 (9mm) measurably better on shots one and two of the FAST, but reloaded the P30 enough better, total time was a wash. I thought he was blowing smoke.

I went out and shot a P2000 and P30 in .40 back in July. Figured the P30 would be easier to shoot due to texture and grip length.

I shot the P2000 measurably better than the P30, in terms of my hit rate on the lower prob targets I shot. So, when it comes to the P2000, and hat choices, Jody is now my go to guy.

[shane45]

This is interesting to me. I found that with the P30, if my hand placement was not perfect on the first contact aspect of my draw, my first shot was a tic off in speed as I try to adjust. I haven't found I have that issue with the less molded grip of the HK45c. Conversely, during longer strings of fire, it felt like the P30 stayed put a little better and if it was raining out it stayed in place a lot better where the HK45c started to squirm as its a little slick by comparison.

[JodyH]

For me the added grip traction of the P30 was detrimental.
The grips are just too good for their own good
If your initial grip is off it takes conscious effort and time to readjust. I also found that my recoil management was erratic due to too much grip and not enough slip. The P2000 tended to bounce the front sight perfectly as long as I had a decent grip, the P30 was extremely sensitive to slight grip pressure differences because it "stuck" to my hand too well causing erratic recoil which made sight tracking much harder.
Just my observations after running both guns hard while really tracking the technical aspects of shooting.
For me the P2000 is more forgiving of slight grip imperfections at speed from the holster and the P30 was better when you had more time to obtain a perfect grip.

[Greg Bell]

The P2000 is a excellent G19 alternative. Very similar to the Hk45C in profile, I think the OP reasoning is sound.

[Rich]

I have a P30S V3 in 9mm and wish I bought the L version since it has the same height as my P30S.

[Rich]

The P2000 is a excellent G19 alternative. Very similar to the Hk45C in profile, I think the OP reasoning is sound.

The G19 has a 4inch barrel right the P30 is close to 4inch 3.86 I think.

[psalms144.1]

I have both the P30 and the P2K. For ME, the P2K is the clear winner. The P30 FEELS better in my hand, but presents slower, and seems more "flippy" along with having the worst incarnation of the LEM of any HK model, IMHO. I shot both side by side extensively, and ended up "benching" the P30 - which was considerably harder to conceal under light concealment or in high scrutiny situations.

Of course, I've "benched" all my HKs and gone back to the G19, if that tells you anything. Again, for me, the HKs' accuracy advantage didn't outweigh the Glock's shootability, maintainability, accessory availability, and price.

Regards,

Kevin

[Mjolnir]

I've been mulling over the same thing as the OP.

For AIWB the P30 grip prints. No big deal up north. Down in the Deep South with less clothing due to the high temps and relative humidity it can be a bit disturbing to me.

I've noticed that the HK45C does NOT print nearly as much as the P30.

Looking for a P2000 with Light LEM now.... Will release the P30 for it.

Now I do find the grip of the P2000 and HK45C to be more than a little "slick" so some thin grip tape from Talon might just do the trick.


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[Rich]

I have both the P30 and the P2K. For ME, the P2K is the clear winner. The P30 FEELS better in my hand, but presents slower, and seems more "flippy" along with having the worst incarnation of the LEM of any HK model, IMHO. I shot both side by side extensively, and ended up "benching" the P30 - which was considerably harder to conceal under light concealment or in high scrutiny situations.

Of course, I've "benched" all my HKs and gone back to the G19, if that tells you anything. Again, for me, the HKs' accuracy advantage didn't outweigh the Glock's shootability, maintainability, accessory availability, and price.

Regards,

Kevin

P30 more flippy?

I notice it when shooting the first 400rds of lawman 147gr.

I can hide my P229 IWB with a straight drop at 3:00 pretty well .

But have to wear a size larger T shirt in order to carry my P30S IWB at 3:00.

Just that tad bit of height adds up.