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John Hearne
08-08-2014, 09:24 AM
Does anyone know anything about the 308 offerings from Troy? There were announced at SHOT and are now available. Haven't been able to find much of anything on them in my searches. Any experiences or ideas?

I'm not looking for a precision rifle but a heavy patrol rifle for rural use. Agency standards requires a DI gun. Weight and overall length are concerns. Looking at these pretty hard: http://troydefense.com/portfolio/troy-308-rifle/ The weight is wrong on the web site, their non-precision is 8.6 lbs.

The other consideration is a S&W MP-10. The MP-10 would end up in a configuration very similar to the Troy. The S&W has an 18" barrel v. 16" for the Troy and the Troy muzzle device is a lot shorter.
Jay Cunningham
08-08-2014, 09:41 AM
Looks interesting, but I can't figure out what pattern magazine it uses.
LittleLebowski
08-08-2014, 09:44 AM
In their promo video, the guy says "AR10 mags" which may not be definitive.
John Hearne
08-08-2014, 10:00 AM
They are recommending Magpul 308's for magazines until they can produce their own.

As a side note, their pricing for LEO's is very attractive.
BobM
08-08-2014, 01:16 PM
I bought an M&P10 at LE pricing. It's about a pound lighter than the Troy for what it's worth. I've only put about 200rds through it so far but haven't had any issues.
LittleLebowski
08-08-2014, 01:19 PM
They are recommending Magpul 308's for magazines until they can produce their own.

As a side note, their pricing for LEO's is very attractive.

That makes them SR25 pattern then.
John Hearne
08-08-2014, 03:39 PM
It's a tossup between the Troy's and the Smith's. We picked up two Smith last year and their final configuration is almost identical to the Troy.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/ajp3jeh/Gun%20Stuff/308s_zps32a83b66.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/ajp3jeh/media/Gun%20Stuff/308s_zps32a83b66.jpg.html)

The Troy appeals because of its overall length but doesn't because it is about 0.9 lb more. I suspect that is barrel profile and upper build. The Troy's profile is straight 0.75 and the Smith is more of a pencil profile. The Troy is a billet upper.

The Troy also appeals because it is a "turn key" solution. If we get the Troy, we don't have any setup hassle. The Troy barrel is also melonited and as I understand it, the MP-10 is bare metal. Given their likely life, some form of corrosion resistant barrel also appeals.

I setup the two Smiths we have and tried to break the in before pushing them out. They ran fine for the 100 rounds I pushed through them and were roughly MOA guns with match ammo. For their intended purpose, MOA accuracy isn't an issue. The likely optic will be an Aimpoint Pro.
TGS
08-09-2014, 12:06 PM
The M&P has a melonited barrel according to a S&W rep on ARFCOM.

ETA: As for it needing setup hassle, why is a keymod rail required?

If you need to mount a light, there are mounts that do such to regular handguards.
Jay Cunningham
08-09-2014, 02:31 PM
Who said a keymod rail was required? Neither pic even shows a keymod rail.

:confused:
GJM
08-09-2014, 02:37 PM
ETA: As for it needing setup hassle, why is a keymod rail required?

If you need to mount a light, there are mounts that do such to regular handguards.

I think you mean "free float tube/rail" as opposed to "key mod rail?"

I am open to being educated, but my view is if you are interested in accuracy, and the reach out associated with .308, you want a free float tube so that you have a more consistent POI?
John Hearne
08-09-2014, 03:25 PM
The minimalist free-float tubes weigh less than the factory handguards and also make running an X300 at 12:00 real easy. If we need to add anything else, the free-float and easily attachable rails make that fairly easy.
TGS
08-09-2014, 10:26 PM
Who said a keymod rail was required? Neither pic even shows a keymod rail.

:confused:

Whatever it's called.

Lego tubes, because you connect stuff as needed to make a masterpiece. Does that work?

Is there a universal word for non-quad rail rail systems to attach rails to, as opposed to regular handguards or quad-rails?

John at least understood what I was talking about.


I think you mean "free float tube/rail" as opposed to "key mod rail?"


Yeah that thing.



I am open to being educated, but my view is if you are interested in accuracy, and the reach out associated with .308, you want a free float tube so that you have a more consistent POI?

Overstated for a rifle admitted to be a general purpose patrol rifle as opposed to precision rifle. For a long time, people have been shooting to 500m and well beyond with consistency, with non-FF handguards.....well beyond the capabilities this apparently needs to fill.
Chuck Whitlock
08-12-2014, 09:19 AM
The minimalist free-float tubes weigh less than the factory handguards and also make running an X300 at 12:00 real easy. If we need to add anything else, the free-float and easily attachable rails make that fairly easy.

Will Magpul handguards work on the .308 offerings? I think that with a light mount might be a more cost effective way to go.

From the Smith website:

"Maximum corrosion resistant barrel finish "

Which I assume to mean Melonite.