Glock 17 problems W/Gen2 fresh back from Glock

[Ed L]

I have a Gen 2 Glock 17 that I sent to Glock because it was ejecting cases in my face at times. This was after I tried having various knowledgeable Glock Armoerers try to fix it.

I sent the Gun to Glock with a note detailing the issues. I got it back with a note saying: Inspected, Replaced Parts, Meets Factory Specs, Tested OK."

Well, it still bops me in the head with brass every so often, so my solution is to make sure to wear a peaked cap even when shooting indoors--should be common sense on my part, right?

But worst of all, it has a disturbing new problem that it never had before--occasional failures to extract where the rim of the case is barely sticking out of the chamber and the new round from the magazine and the new round from the magazine gets caught trying to feed because the empty case has not extracted. This ocurred with the same magazine with two different brands of ammunition--Winchester Ranger 124 grain +P JHP and some of the Winchester White box 9mm Nato 124 grain FMJ. I fired about 200 rounds throguh the gun and had the failures to extract twice with the above-mentioned ammo. I don't know if they put a new extractor in the gun--but I don't think so since it does not have the loaded chamber indicator.

Any thoughts on this?

thanks

[JV_]

Is your extractor a loaded chamber indicator version?

What color is the plastic bearing (part of the extractor spring assy) that rides up against the slide cover plate?

[Spr1]

Unless there is something obvious with Glock's reassembly of the pistol, I would suggest sending it back to Glock. It sounds like they introduced a new problem along with a replacement part, and you should not have to spend your ammunition and time to fix it.

[beltjones]

The brass hitting you in the head could be your fault. With a stock recoil spring my brass exits consistently to 4:00 o'clock, but it hits my girlfriend right in the face. With a 13lb recoil spring it goes to 4:00 for both of us. The reason is that her grip isn't as solid as mine.

The failure to extract sounds like a real problem. I would start by making sure the extractor spring/assembly is installed properly. Also, wiggle the extractor and make sure it can move freely. If it's hung up at any point this could cause it to fail to extract the round. A replacement part could solve it, or you could also remove any burrs on the extractor that may cause it to "stick" at points in it's movement.

Frankly, I find it absurd that so many people are having problems with extraction in their Glocks. Someone needs to clean house over there.

[LittleLebowski]

If his other Glocks don't hit him in the head with ejected brass, the problem is not being induced by him.

Send it back.

[Al T.]

Ed, how long did Glock take to get your gun back to you?

[Ed L]

It does not have the loaded chamber indicator--it did not go there with one or come back with one.

It took about 2 months to get it back.

It was wierd dealing with them. I held forever to get a rep and when I asked if I needed a return authorization number, I was told just send it back with a letter in the box.

It took about 2 months to get it back.

I have a Gen 2 Glock 17 & Gen 2 Glock 19 that had never exhibited the failures to extract. Neither did this one until I sent it to Glock.

My other Glock 17 sometimes hits me in the head with ejected cases--but not the 19. I am shooting mod iso, been to a bunch of classes, and when I am doing everything right I can put 10 shots into the hear of a silhouette at 25 yards with any of the Glocks.

The only thing that could be an issue is that it happened both times with the same magazine. This is an older mag that came with one of the guns that has the LEO only stamp on it. I am not sure that I ever used this mag before, because it is not even numbered.

However, I don't see a failure to extract where just the rim of the empty case is sticking out of the chamber can be a magazine issue.

[Al T.]

Thanks Ed. Have one in Smyrna now, wondered when to expect it back...

[Ed L]

An update.

Thanks to Wayne Dobbs who suggested I get a Lone Wolf extractor and a High Reliability Extractor Depressor (H.R.E.D.)™ Plunger Assembly: http://www.whitesounddefense.com/products/H.R.E.D.-9mm.html.

I had an acquaintance who is a Glock armorer install them, and have since fired 300+ rounds of the same ammo that had been previously giving it issues without experiencing any problems. I realize that this is not a lot of rounds, but previously I had 2 problems within a lot less rounds than that.

The ejection issues seem to have improved. I think I got bopped on the hat once or twice in the 300+ rounds that I fired.

It is unfortunate that I needed to have these mods to make the gun run reliably. At one time I was able to recommend a Glock 17 or 19 without warnings or instructions to buy a specific vintage.

[1986s4]

I am becoming a little disillusioned with Glock. I'm not even a Glock guy but I have always respected their gold standard reliability. Is that or has that changed? Even for the 9mm's?

[Mitchell, Esq.]

The fact that an aftermarket "High Reliability" part needs to be made for a Glock is just fucked up.

Whoever OK'd the changes that fucked up Glock - Eat shit and die.

[Ed L]

Mine was a Gen2 and came back with a Gen2 extractor without the LCI--which is the way it went there. This isn't a case of a new Glock this is a case of one that went to the factory and came back with issues that it did not previously have that had to be fixed with none Glock parts. Not sure if it was the Lone Wolf Extractor, the white sound part, or a combo of the two that fixed it. Either one of them might have been enough, but the thing works so I don't feel like experimenting.

But find solace, Mitchel, in that you are not the only one that has bad problems with firearms.

[Al T.]

Interesting data point. I broke a 2nd Gen G17 slide and Glock replaced it at no cost to me. The new slide (received it 3 days ago) has a LCI extractor and exhibits the same random ejection pattern as others (and myself) have reported.

[BN]

I have 3 Gen 2 G-17s with an assortment of extractors.

Serial # HUxxx has the 90* cut at the rear of the ejection port and has a 15* LCI extractor that was replaced by a Glock armorer at a GSSF match a year ago. I only had it worked on because the striker tip was eroded. It has a few hundred rounds through it since then with no problems. It's my back up gun and doesn't get used a lot. This gun has around 100,000 rounds through it. I kept track of how many cases of bullets I had bought. This was my main match gun for many years.

Serial # HZxxx has a replacement slide with a 15* cut in the ejection port and a LCI 15* extractor. This is my wife's main gun and has several thousand trouble free rounds since it came back from Glock about 3 or 4 years ago.

WNxxx has a replacement slide with a 15* cut in the ejection port and a non LCI 15* extractor. This is my wife's back up gun and probably has a few thousand trouble free rounds since the slide was replaced.

I have a Gen 4 G-17 that I by accident had installed an older 90* extractor on. I don't know how many rounds it fired like that. I just noticed one day that I had switched extractors on my Gen 2 and Gen3. They both ran that way.

That's a lot to get to my point. All these guns have run with a 13# recoil spring for the last several years. Ammo is almost exclusively hand loads with a 147 grain jacketed bullet at 900 FPS. Several hundred rounds of self defense type ammo has also run OK.

Check out what the competition guys are running. They fire a lot of rounds and want their guns to run 100%. Many of them use lighter recoil springs.

[Ed L]

Here is an update. I could swear that I posted this somewhere on this board, but could not find it by searching with my user name and the words Glock or Apex.

I sent it to Randy Lee of Apex Tactical http://www.apextactical.com and he lowered the ejection port and did some tuning with the extractor and now it works well, functions reliably, and does not bop me in the face or head with ejected cases.

Below is a picture of a normal Glock 17 on top of the one that Randy Lee worked on. You can seethe lowered ejection port on the bottom one.


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m115/edagain/glockcomparison.jpg

The mod may look simple, but I would not suggest anyone try it themselves (cough, cough, Mitchel :)

[Tamara]

The mod may look simple, but I would not suggest anyone try it themselves

That's because case hardene... I'm sorry, "Tenifered" Glock slides are harder than woodpecker lips. I'd be happy to let a gunsmith tear up his tools rather than do likewise to my roomie's... :p

[David Armstrong]

I have a Gen 2 Glock 17 that I sent to Glock because it was ejecting cases in my face at times.

Well, it still bops me in the head with brass every so often,

My other Glock 17 sometimes hits me in the head with ejected cases

FWIW, my armorer and instructor experience is that when something is a "sometimes" thing, and it occurs in one platform but not another, it is usually a combination of things, usually an intermittent mixture....for example, a mag that is a little out of spec combined with an occassional grip that is a bit weak or off-kilter. Either one by itself, no problem, but every now and then the two come together for a perfect storm event.

[Ed L]

When I say sometimes hit me in the head with ejected cases, I mean that it did not do so every time I pulled the trigger. (edited for clarification) It did it more than half the time I pulled the trigger. This occurred with a variety of magazines and ammo and with other people shooting it.

Randy Lee's modifcations turned the "sometimes" into a "never."

(edited to add) Considering that a number of people have experinced this problem with their Glocks, including boardmembers Wayne Dobbs & Nyeti, I would say the issue is far from isolated.