New CZ P-07 = Mind Blown

[Alpha Sierra]

Well, that was easy.....Yesterday I came home with a 2014 P-07 (front slide serrations, interchangeable backstraps, 15 round mags).

Today it took but 100 rounds to convince me that the Glock goes and the CZ stays. 25 yard accuracy much improved over the G17. By the second string of 10 rounds at 25 I had the groups about equal to what I can do with a 4" wheelgun (hand palm size).

Controlled pairs (first round DA) at 10 yards were performed with an ease and an accuracy that I simply have never experienced before with either of my past TDA (S&W 915, P226) or striker guns (M&P, G17). The DA pull is entirely satisfactory though not quite to the level of a S&W wheelgun. For now I am leaving the pistol alone, including sights. The rear sight needs a wider notch, so that will be the first mod to be done. I may leave the front sight alone.

I am thoroughly impressed. I'm going to try to wet mold a FIST #20 that I have for an M&P to this gun so that I can get up and running on drills from the holster and IDPA. Obviously this pistol needs to prove itself before it goes out as a defensive tool but I have little doubt that it will.

Anyone want to buy a 17 Gen 4 with the 021 spring (100% reliable), six mags, a Brommeland Max Con V, and an Aholster kydex pancake?

[s0nspark]

Nice :)

I, too, struggled to master the Glock trigger for about 2 years and it just never happened for me. It got to the point where I wasn't enjoying shooting very much... I picked up a CZ 75BD on impulse because the DA trigger reach and ergos were a perfect fit for my big hands/long fingers and that made a huge difference for me. I have yet to shoot a P-07/P-09 but am curious to see if they work as well for me.

If you ever do decide to modify the action I highly recommend Cajun Gun Works for parts or the work itself.

[Alpha Sierra]

It was a toss up between a P-01 and a P-07. What sealed the deal for the 07 was the shorter reach to the trigger. I have relatively small hands and any metal frame CZ would need a trigger reach reduction from CGW and maybe alu grips too. The P-07 with the small backstrap is good to go right out of the box.

[Kyle Reese]

It was a toss up between a P-01 and a P-07. What sealed the deal for the 07 was the shorter reach to the trigger. I have relatively small hands and any metal frame CZ would need a trigger reach reduction from CGW and maybe alu grips too. The P-07 with the small backstrap is good to go right out of the box.

If you opt to send your P-07 to David at CGW, you won't be disappointed.

[Alpha Sierra]

I had never heard of CGW (not ever having a CZ pistol before) until I read the thread here about the tuned up P-09. Blieve me gents, once the credit card cools down, the pistol might be making a trip down there.

I do want to shoot it as is for a while to make sure I know what I want out of any mods.

[jlw]

I traded into a CZ 75 recently. I had a CGW spring kit put into it, and the difference in the DA trigger is simply amazing. I have only dry fired it. I don't like the amount of curve in the trigger and will probably swap it out for an 85 trigger.

All of that to say this, I am so impressed with the CGW spring upgrade, I'm strongly considering ordering a P07 from CGW. I really like the idea of a flat faced trigger with a sweet DA pull, and the reports of accuracy are encouraging.

[Pup town]

I had never heard of CGW (not ever having a CZ pistol before) until I read the thread here about the tuned up P-09. Blieve me gents, once the credit card cools down, the pistol might be making a trip down there.

I do want to shoot it as is for a while to make sure I know what I want out of any mods.

Don't forget there are also drop in parts from CGW (as you know from the P-09 thread). Lighter on the wallet and you don't have to send your gun off.

[Up1911Fan]

These are high on my want list.

[Alpha Sierra]

Don't forget there are also drop in parts from CGW (as you know from the P-09 thread). Lighter on the wallet and you don't have to send your gun off.

You tempt me......

[cclaxton]

Don't forget the guys at CZ Custom do a great job as well.
But my next CZ will be done by Akai Gun Works in Florida. Sonny Morton let me try his SP01 and... gotta have one.
Also, don't forget Matt Mink.

Cody

[threedogdad]

Very interesting report. Thank you for taking the time to share this. I'll be looking forward to the long term results as well. And a picture or two wouldn't hurt.

[Alpha Sierra]

Pics to follow soon. Ordered a kydex pancake from KT-Mech, should be here in 2-3 weeks.

[Alpha Sierra]

I, too, struggled to master the Glock trigger for about 2 years and it just never happened for me.
I am loathe to blame the gear for my shortcomings, but sometimes that is what it is.

I've been working with striker fired pistols since 2008 when I got my first M&P. In that span of time I've never been able to approach the speed and accuracy both, that I was able to achieve with a CZ in a day, with either M&Ps or Glocks.

That is what I call a clue. Now I see why some here rave about a TDA pistol that is the right size/ergos for one's hand. They are like cheating. And since I have been a long time revolver shooter, the DA first pull is absolutely no problem for me. It's natural enough to begin the trigger press as I press the gun out since I've been doing that with revolvers for years.

[Stephen]

I've been working with striker fired pistols since 2008 when I got my first M&P. In that span of time I've never been able to approach the speed and accuracy both, that I was able to achieve with a CZ in a day, with either M&Ps or Glocks.

My improvement wasn't that dramatic, but I had a pretty similar experience. Something about the gun just clicked with me.

[camsdaddy]

I have never shot a P07 but it's certainly on my want to try list

[s0nspark]

I am loathe to blame the gear for my shortcomings, but sometimes that is what it is.

I've been working with striker fired pistols since 2008 when I got my first M&P. In that span of time I've never been able to approach the speed and accuracy both, that I was able to achieve with a CZ in a day, with either M&Ps or Glocks.


I think of it more as a bad relationship rather than it being all the Glock's fault LOL

The clue for me was when I realized I shot other guns much better with less effort. Up until then I figured I just wasn't trying hard enough or practicing enough.

I am more of a DA/SA guy at heart, anyway - the "one trigger press" sounded good in theory but never really gave me the comfort level I get with DA/SA. Now things just click.

That is just me, though. To each their own. :)

[Greg Bell]

My buddy Dan has one of these and I really don't understand why he doesn't shoot it more often. It is easy to shoot fast. We set up steel and I did some timed drills shooting on the move and the gun is really fast back on target. Ugly as homemade sin, but all the guns are these days.

[Savage Hands]

Dry fired one that came into the shop today, I'm surprised anyone praises the stock double action pull.

[Alpha Sierra]

Dry fired one that came into the shop today, I'm surprised anyone praises the stock double action pull.

To this longtime revolver shooter, it is entirely acceptable as it comes. It is not unduly difficult to make the shot with it.

Like most revolvers out there, it also could benefit from some improvement.

[Alpha Sierra]

Trigger weights (average of 5 pulls measured with digital Lyman scale):
DA: 10 lbs
SA: 4 lbs 3 ozs

My goal for the trigger, after reading C4iGrant's thread on M4C, is to have the bearing surfaces polished to reduce both pulls by 2 lbs +/-. That's it. No different springs or trick parts.

Already have a KM-Tech kydex modular holster as well as some JM and Comp-Tac mag holders on the way. In the meantime I've adjusted some of my old gunleather to work and will be running the pistol at this Sunday's IDPA.

I need to stop by the club this week to run some 147 gr Gold Dots and Rangers to see if it will eat them up or not.

[Makarovii]

I haven't had too much time for live fire, dry fire practice has been enjoyable though. The SA trigger pull is nice and crisp. Accuracy is surprising. :cool:

http://i1336.photobucket.com/albums/o652/Makarovii/IMG_2727_zpsaa10e06a.jpg

[Gary1911A1]

Still waiting on mine. Think I need a new Dealer.:mad:

[Spectre'sWrath]

I am placing my order for one of these today, eally excited to see how it pans out. I got to play with a few of these that have come through our store and I was impressed. The threads here have really swayed me in this direction.

Now, to find holsters....

[GJM]

If anyone has a specific question for CZ Custom, my plan is to be there mid-afternoon today.

[s0nspark]

If anyone has a specific question for CZ Custom, my plan is to be there mid-afternoon today.

Yes, please... ask if they plan on making the new H-TAC rear sight (for the P-07/09) available for CZ 75/SP-01 pistols... :)

[backtrail540]

Yes, please... ask if they plan on making the new H-TAC rear sight (for the P-07/09) available for CZ 75/SP-01 pistols... :)

Or the notch width on said sight?

[s0nspark]

Or the notch width on said sight?

IIRC Stuart from CZC quoted that as 0.123

[jh9]

My only first-hand experience with a P07 duty was SOing a shooter who broke a trigger spring.

I don't remember if these use the 'omega' spring or not, but if not I would replace it with the enhanced spring sold by czcustom.com.

Everything can fail, but there are too many USPSA shooters with broken TRSs to not immediately install the improved version Angus has.

[Alpha Sierra]

50 rounds of 147 gr Ranger RA9B down the pipe without issues. Soft shooting and still very accurate. Gonna run it out in IDPA this Sunday.

Finally a semi automatic pistol that doesn't make me question my choice to carry it instead of a revolver.

[Stephen]

Trigger weights (average of 5 pulls measured with digital Lyman scale):
DA: 10 lbs
SA: 4 lbs 3 ozs

My goal for the trigger, after reading C4iGrant's thread on M4C, is to have the bearing surfaces polished to reduce both pulls by 2 lbs +/-. That's it. No different springs or trick parts.

I don't know if polishing would affect my P07 due to the fact that's its pretty well broken in now, but I'm definitely curious to see how that goes for you. I hope you keep us posted.

The internet has no shortage of samples of one and people who don't shoot very much, so I think its pretty cool P-F has a pretty good sample of 07/09 owners who actually shoot. Its not exactly a TLG-style endurance test, but we should get a fair idea of how these guns hold up.

[Alpha Sierra]

I don't know if polishing would affect my P07 due to the fact that's its pretty well broken in now, but I'm definitely curious to see how that goes for you. I hope you keep us posted.
Will do


The internet has no shortage of samples of one and people who don't shoot very much, so I think its pretty cool P-F has a pretty good sample of 07/09 owners who actually shoot. Its not exactly a TLG-style endurance test, but we should get a fair idea of how these guns hold up.
The feedback here and on M4C gave the the final bit of confidence to get it. Most of it came from my experience with superb CZ bolt action rifles.

[Trooper224]

I had an '84 vintage non-B 75 that had the smoothest trigger of any handgun I've ever fired. I kind of regret letting that one go. The mouse trap trigger return spring is a known failure point. Keeping it oiled helps prevent that. The slide stop is the other Achilles heel of the design as it takes a lot of battering. I found that keeping the stop shaft greased helps to mitigate failure. One of my favorite second generation semi-autos.

[GJM]

Yes, please... ask if they plan on making the new H-TAC rear sight (for the P-07/09) available for CZ 75/SP-01 pistols... :)

I was there yesterday afternoon. I dropped a pistol off for Cody, and brought a few slides in for some tweaking (different height front sight, etc.) Stuart, who is super nice in person as well as on the phone/email, took great care of me. I also got a sight tool from him that eases adjusting the rear sight, as when they install a Heinie and loctite that sucker in there with red!

Stuart was very complimentary of David at Cajun, and commended him for demystifying the CZ, and providing parts for folks to do their own stuff to them. We discussed the P07/09 stuff, and CZ's design criteria for them, which was to make a more Glock like pistol, that parts could interchange between pistols to make armoring them easier at a unit level. I don't think he thought CZ anticipated all the tweaking that would be done to them by the after market.

Front tritium sights for the P07/09 are about 4 weeks out, depending upon how quick Trijicon turns the inserts around, and no current plans to do the H-TAC sight for the CZ75/SP01.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/CZCustom_zps13d248b6.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/CZCustom_zps13d248b6.jpg.html)

[Alpha Sierra]

The IDPA debut will be delayed 2-3 weeks until my new holster (KT-Mech Gunfighter) gets here. My leather wet re-molding experiment was a failure.

Will run the 64-5 this coming Sunday.

[GJM]

The P07 is a perfect size for a carry gun. It is also stupid fast to reload, and the shape of the grip seems to prevent getting pinched with the magazine, like can happen to me with a G19.

For appendix carry, it seems the TDA equivalent of a G19.

[JohnN]

The P07 is a perfect size for a carry gun. It is also stupid fast to reload, and the shape of the grip seems to prevent getting pinched with the magazine, like can happen to me with a G19.

For appendix carry, it seems the TDA equivalent of a G19.


...and without some of the baggage.

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[Alpha Sierra]

Another 100 trouble free rounds today. After trying it DA/SA/controlled pairs/triples/SH/FS/WH, the large grip strap wins it for me. Strangely enough, that is what I had to run on my G17 to get the sights to align 100% of the time coming out of the holster.

[Irelander]

I have always been intrigued with CZ pistols but have never owned one. I'm going to keep my eye out for a P-07 and try it out the next chance I get. I want to love my G19 but I have never been super comfy with the trigger reach and grip. I am also transitioning to AIWB and the CZ sounds like the ticket.

I am anxiously awaiting your competition report and updated on performance.

[Alpha Sierra]

I think I'm up to 350 rounds already since the 10 or so days I've had it. 50 of them 147 gr Rangers, the rest my reloads. All function perfect.

I managed to remold a leather IWB for it and just got a pair of kydex pouches and a KT-Mech kydex modular holster for it. Dry fire and draw drills with the new holster went well last night. I'm off to the range after work today to test the new carry gear with live fire.

IDPA on Sunday, will report back.

[Kyle Reese]

I think I'm up to 350 rounds already since the 10 or so days I've had it. 50 of them 147 gr Rangers, the rest my reloads. All function perfect.

I managed to remold a leather IWB for it and just got a pair of kydex pouches and a KT-Mech kydex modular holster for it. Dry fire and draw drills with the new holster went well last night. I'm off to the range after work today to test the new carry gear with live fire.

IDPA on Sunday, will report back.

I ordered an OWB KT Mech "Gunfighter" modular holster for my FNS. Price point was right, at least. How do you like yours so far?

[Irelander]

Here is a good review of the P-07 Duty from Mike Pannone.

http://shootersmagazine.com/cz-p-07-duty-the-best-pistol-nobody-knows-about/

He also has some good videos of him demonstrating the P-07 on his youtube channel.

[Alpha Sierra]

I ordered an OWB KT Mech "Gunfighter" modular holster for my FNS. Price point was right, at least. How do you like yours so far?
Plusses
1. As OWB it tucks the pistol in really well, which is a function of the curve of the holster itself and the 15° fwd cant that I ordered. Pistol disappears under an untucked shirt.
2. Holster is very light
3. Retention is perfect (mine does not have the adjustable retention screw)
4. The P-shaped belt loops get the ride height just about perfect. The more typical ones would have made it ride way too high

Minuses
1. The .06 kydex feels a hair too light. Maybe I should have paid for .08 material. We shall see.....
2. Not usable as an IWB holster with the std IWB snap belt loops. It rides ridiculously high. That can be fixed with the strut mounted belt loops, which can be raised to lower the holster in relation to the belt line
3. I won't be using it as an IWB anyway, as I cannot stand rigid plastic between my pants and my skin. I'll be buying a dedicated leather IWB rig soon enough.

[Stephen]

I'm not familiar with this site so I would investigate first, but I found an absurdly good deal on the P07. The picture shows a Gen1, so clearing out old stock maybe? Anyway I thought I'd post since a few people said they were thinking about getting one.

http://www.firearms4u.com/guns/hand-guns/cz-91186-cz-p-p-07-da-sa-9mm-3-8-16-1-polymer-grip-black-model-p07-duty-pistol/

[benq]

Yes, please... ask if they plan on making the new H-TAC rear sight (for the P-07/09) available for CZ 75/SP-01 pistols... :)

Had CZC install these sights on my P-07 Duty. Love them especially after years tolerating those plastic stock sights.

[Up1911Fan]

Had CZC install these sights on my P-07 Duty. Love them especially after years tolerating those plastic stock sights.

What front did you go with?

[benq]

What front did you go with?

My stock front sight is #2. I've read many P07 owners of the Duty version have #3 stock. Joe @ CZC said the 6.5mm FO front sight was the best of all the sights they have. I went with their suggestion. So far POI is very close to POA.

[s0nspark]

I'm not familiar with this site so I would investigate first, but I found an absurdly good deal on the P07. The picture shows a Gen1, so clearing out old stock maybe? Anyway I thought I'd post since a few people said they were thinking about getting one.

http://www.firearms4u.com/guns/hand-guns/cz-91186-cz-p-p-07-da-sa-9mm-3-8-16-1-polymer-grip-black-model-p07-duty-pistol/

Also, Damascus has the Gen1 P-07 and P-09 on sale... no sales tax for non-VA residents and free shipping. Great folks to deal with :)

http://www.damascusgunshop.com/shop/sale-items.html

[TheNewbie]

Here is another great deal on gen 1 P 07.

http://shop.rrfeast.com/product.cz-usa-cz-p-07-9mm-38-161-polymer-grip-black-finish-21

[Alpha Sierra]

After some more dry and live fire I've switched to the medium backstrap and will use that tomorrow at the match.

Up to 550 rounds now since 7/26 with no issues of any sort. I haven't done any cleaning outside of the initial clean and lube right after buying it. I generously greased the slide rails upon initial cleaning and plenty of grease still seems present. This morning I added a drop of CLP to each rail and cycled the slide a few times before running to the range.

[Alpha Sierra]

I was very happy with my performance (especially my 20+ yd performace) at the IDPA match on Sunday. Compared to Glocks, S&W 3rd Gens, SIGs, and M&Ps (my personal reference points) this pistol is stupid easy to shoot well and fast.

I'm now pushing nearly 700 rounds of reloads and factory ammo with absolutely zero malfs of any kind.

I also got to try a squad mate's tuned up SP-01.......WOW, now I know what to save up for.

[Kyle Reese]

I was very happy with my performance (especially my 20+ yd performace) at the IDPA match on Sunday. Compared to Glocks, S&W 3rd Gens, SIGs, and M&Ps (my personal reference points) this pistol is stupid easy to shoot well and fast.

I'm now pushing nearly 700 rounds of reloads and factory ammo with absolutely zero malfs of any kind.

I also got to try a squad mate's tuned up SP-01.......WOW, now I know what to save up for.

David (http://www.cajungunworks.com/guns_for_sale.html) can certainly help you out.

[s0nspark]

I was very happy with my performance (especially my 20+ yd performace) at the IDPA match on Sunday. Compared to Glocks, S&W 3rd Gens, SIGs, and M&Ps (my personal reference points) this pistol is stupid easy to shoot well and fast.

I'm now pushing nearly 700 rounds of reloads and factory ammo with absolutely zero malfs of any kind.

I also got to try a squad mate's tuned up SP-01.......WOW, now I know what to save up for.

Good to hear!

I just got my PCR back from CGW yesterday and the trigger is absolutely amazing - best work David has done for me so far for sure! I am sending him my SP-01 Tactical next ... not sure just yet if I will keep it competition legal or just have him give it the same DCP upgrades I've had on my other CZs...

All the good reports are certainly causing me to warm to the P-07 ... I just have no justification for one yet. ;)

[Clusterfrack]

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New carry gun to match my new competition guns (Shadow 2). Holster: JMCK AIWB WC 2.5

I installed:
CGW Prograde kit (https://cajungunworks.com/product/p-07-p-09-pro-grade-package/) w/18# mainspring, 0.018" med-heavy sear spring
SS guiderod w/18# flat wire recoil spring
Dawson FO front sight 0.95"
Tractiongrips griptape

I'm liking it a lot so far.

[Tony Mayer]

P-07's are freaks of nature in my hands!! They make things much easier!! I have been a Glock guy for 20 some years, and while Glocks are reliable, easy to work on and simple they are not nearly as accurate for me, or fun to shoot. CZ hit a home run in my opinion with these, perfect size, great ergos, SCARY accurate, and reliable. I bought a Shadow 2 for holster purposes, and HOLY F@$K is the trigger good! I also have CGW parts in mine. Fantastic pistols and highly underrated, although I think the underrated part is changing!

[Trukinjp13]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171110/a71650bb884f8eaaa3e40035ee38985f.jpg

New carry gun to match my new competition guns (Shadow 2). Holster: JMCK AIWB WC 2.5

I installed:
CGW Prograde kit (https://cajungunworks.com/product/p-07-p-09-pro-grade-package/) w/18# mainspring, 0.018" med-heavy sear spring
SS guiderod w/18# flat wire recoil spring
Dawson FO front sight 0.95"
Tractiongrips griptape

I'm liking it a lot so far.

To me it is the best tda gun under 500$. I wish I would have cgw mine. Would not mind picking up another.


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[Clusterfrack]

I bought a Shadow 2 for holster purposes

Okay I just have to say how awesome this quote is.

[Clusterfrack]

To me it is the best tda gun under 500$. I wish I would have cgw mine. Would not mind picking up another.


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Well, I’ve got closer to $700 in mine now, and I got it for $425 because I’m special :-).

I am quite impressed by this gun, cost aside.

GJM—you predicted I would have a P-07 before Christmas, and how right you are.

[GJM]

Well, I’ve got closer to $700 in mine now, and I got it for $425 because I’m special :-).

I am quite impressed by this gun, cost aside.

GJM—you predicted I would have a P-07 before Christmas, and how right you are.

I felt better about that bet, than the new Wilson by Christmas. :)

[Lon]

If I was gonna buy another one I’d just call CGW and get one of their Pro-Grade P07s they sell. For @$800 it’s tough to beat.

[GJM]

Someone feeling ambitious ought to do a shoot off between the P07 and the Langdon PX4C.

[psalms144.1]

Someone feeling ambitious ought to do a shoot off between the P07 and the Langdon PX4C.Well, I'm not that ambitious, and I'm definitely a #Poorfag (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Poorfag) - but I did my own shoot off between a stock P07 and a stock Px4C. Both are good guns, but the Px4's trigger is light years better, and my P07 is sold off...

[Tony Mayer]

Okay I just have to say how awesome this quote is.
Yeah...my life is pretty tough. Have to buy guns for work!!

[Clusterfrack]

If I was gonna buy another one I’d just call CGW and get one of their Pro-Grade P07s they sell. For @$800 it’s tough to beat.

Agreed. I enjoyed learning how the gun works, but their price is reasonable.

The only frustrating part of the project was the Dawson sight installation. I had to order a second sight because I ruined the first one. I didn't use the longer of the two set screws (no instructions on that), and it is not possible to remove the sight without damage.

[MSparks909]

Okay I just have to say how awesome this quote is.

X2. So, uh Tony Mayer, I’ll be able to get an AIWB holster for my Shadow 2? Ultimate AIWB troll pistol for the local matches I shoot :cool:

[Tony Mayer]

X2. So, uh Tony Mayer, I’ll be able to get an AIWB holster for my Shadow 2? Ultimate AIWB troll pistol for the local matches I shoot :cool:
Yes, just order using any pistol and let me know in the comments you want it for a Shadow 2 ��

[Clusterfrack]

Maybe Tony's working on a secret USPSA Production division holster that uses a standard 3-hole pattern? And is super stiff and a better fit for the Shadow 2 than Bladetech or Comp-Tac? And uses knurled adjustment knobs from Benstoeger Proshop... etc? Who knows, maybe he wants to sponsor some random M-class shooter who just switched to CZ :-)

[MSparks909]

Yes, just order using any pistol and let me know in the comments you want it for a Shadow 2 ��

I’ll be ordering one soon. Thanks :cool:

[s0nspark]

Wow - surprised I forgot to chime back in here once I made the switch!

I really loved my steel-framed CZs ... but one of the reasons I jumped in big with the P-07 was that I could have it milled for an RMR.

The P-07 is so just much win! it really does sit in a niche all its own.


Hammer-fired TDA
decocker
polymer-framed
RMR-capable
roughly G19-sized
tunes up super-nice
reliable
accurate
easy enough to upgrade and maintain myself



Guess that explains why I keep getting them :)

My love for TDA may lead to some other purchases eventually, but I doubt anything will supplant my P-07s for serious use for a good, long time. There was a time when that would have actually bothered me but not anymore.

[s0nspark]

Ultimate AIWB troll pistol for the local matches I shoot :cool:

Ha! Nice one :)

[s0nspark]

Tractiongrips griptape


Having never tried these... do they go all the way around the grip or just front and sides? Are they rubbery or sandpapery?

[Clusterfrack]

Having never tried these... do they go all the way around the grip or just front and sides? Are they rubbery or sandpapery?

Rubbery. They wrap around, but leave the backstrap open, which I prefer for a better draw. These are a cheaper and possibly superior clone of Talon grip tape. The material is thinner than Talon, and seems to mould to the grip more tightly. I don't know how they will hold up yet. I'm hoping not to have to stipple this grip but unmodified, the upper left side is way too slippery.

Amazon link:
http://a.co/7mwrtQB

[s0nspark]

Rubbery. They wrap around, but leave the backstrap open, which I prefer for a better draw. These are a cheaper and possibly superior clone of Talon grip tape. The material is thinner than Talon, and seems to mould to the grip more tightly. I don't know how they will hold up yet. I'm hoping not to have to stipple this grip but unmodified, the upper left side is way too slippery.


Cool - thanks... I am t r y i n g to avoid the urge to stipple mine, simply because it is a slippery slope and I wuld end up having several to do :)

I find the stock front and backstrap texture gives me little purchase - especially compared to, say, the P-10C. I'll have to give the Tractiongrips a spin.

[Clusterfrack]

Cool - thanks... I am t r y i n g to avoid the urge to stipple mine, simply because it is a slippery slope and I wuld end up having several to do :)

I find the stock front and backstrap texture gives me little purchase - especially compared to, say, the P-10C. I'll have to give the Tractiongrips a spin.

It's exactly the opposite for me. I wouldn't care if the back or even the front was smooth. I want the sides to be super grippy.

Let me know how you like them.

[AMC]

Dammit. You people are gonna cost me money. Played with a co-workers stock P-07 a few weeks ago. Very pleasantly surprised at the trigger. Reset was kinda long, but we shoot SIG's sans SRTs at work, so I'm used to that. I think I want three. I must be getting old, cause I saw a pic on Pannone's facey space of a table full 'o CZ.....almost as good as nekkid ladies. Almost.

[Tony Mayer]

Maybe Tony's working on a secret USPSA Production division holster that uses a standard 3-hole pattern? And is super stiff and a better fit for the Shadow 2 than Bladetech or Comp-Tac? And uses knurled adjustment knobs from Benstoeger Proshop... etc? Who knows, maybe he wants to sponsor some random M-class shooter who just switched to CZ :-)
There could be something like this in the not to distant future....email me about the sponsorship, always happy to help!

[Clusterfrack]

Quick update on the P-07 project. I now have 200 rounds of 125gr reloads through it with no issues other than one FTRB from a high primer. I also ran some old Fed HS 147 through it. The gun functions perfectly, and I'm finding it very easy to shoot accurately out to 50 yds.

Tractiongrips are working well, and haven't peeled yet.

I also confirmed that my Mec-Gar 17 round mags function in the P-07.

After installing the CGW kit, here is what the trigger gauge shows:
DA: 8.5 (stock weight 13.2 lbs)
SA: 3.25 (stock weight 3.3 - 5.5lbs)

The P-07 in the JMCK AIWB 2.5 is as comfortable and concealable as my G19, and that was a bit of a surprise given the slightly thicker dimension of the CZ. I've done about 200 draws today and am starting to get used to it. I like how the beavertail guides my hand into a good grip.

I may finally have found a carry gun that mostly matches my competition guns... without going all Gabe White :-)


PS. Tony--email inbound!

[Trukinjp13]

Quick update on the P-07 project. I now have 200 rounds of 125gr reloads through it with no issues other than one FTRB from a high primer. I also ran some old Fed HS 147 through it. The gun functions perfectly, and I'm finding it very easy to shoot accurately out to 50 yds.

Tractiongrips are working well, and haven't peeled yet.

I also confirmed that my Mec-Gar 17 round mags function in the P-07.

After installing the CGW kit, here is what the trigger gauge shows:
DA: 8.5 (stock weight 13.2 lbs)
SA: 3.25 (stock weight 3.3 - 5.5lbs)

The P-07 in the JMCK AIWB 2.5 is as comfortable and concealable as my G19, and that was a bit of a surprise given the slightly thicker dimension of the CZ. I've done about 200 draws today and am starting to get used to it. I like how the beavertail guides my hand into a good grip.

I may finally have found a carry gun that mostly matches my competition guns... without going all Gabe White :-)


PS. Tony--email inbound!

Jeeze. Seeing the weights listed makes me wonder what my gun would have done with a lighter trigger! It shot ridiculously well for being bone stock.


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[Clusterfrack]

Update: I installed the CGW 0.020" (heavy) (https://cajungunworks.com/product/50020-p0709-increased-weight-sear-spring/) sear spring. The SA trigger weight is now between 4 and 4.25 lbs, and I measured no change in the DA pull (8.5 lbs). This setup is ideal for a carry gun.

500 rounds so far. No issues.

[Mirolynmonbro]

What made you want to install the heavier sear spring?

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[breakingtime91]

The only thing holding me out on getting one of these for black friday is the thickness of the gun.. Anyone got a comparison pic next to a g19?

[s0nspark]

What made you want to install the heavier sear spring?


The heavier sear spring slightly increases the SA pull weight and, on a fully Cajunized gun, prevents hammer follow that you might would get with the stock sear spring. (The CGW kit includes heavier springs in two weights - I've always opted for the heavier of the two...)

[Mirolynmonbro]

The only thing holding me out on getting one of these for black friday is the thickness of the gun.. Anyone got a comparison pic next to a g19?Send me a message on the gram later today and I can send some pics over

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[Irelander]

The decocker/safety lever definitely makes it thicker than a G19. After holding a the P-07 for a while a G19 feels tiny. Its weird.

[DG12]

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Hopefully this will help. Not the best pictures. I have to run and can post more later if y'all need something different or more precise.

[DG12]

The heavier sear spring slightly increases the SA pull weight and, on a fully Cajunized gun, prevents hammer follow that you might would get with the stock sear spring. (The CGW kit includes heavier springs in two weights - I've always opted for the heavier of the two...)

I'm glad you posted this. I need to follow this thread more. I had to send mine back to CZ because the trigger bar spring came out and I couldn't get it back in the little hole it fits into. Now that it's back (very fast work by CZ and good comms) the SA is very light, to me. Before seeing these posts I ordered the heavier springs yesterday. Hopefully, they'll be here Friday and I'll report back. I don't have a gauge so it'll be based solely on feel to me. Awesome guns.

And thanks Clusterfrack for posting about the grips. Those other ones were rubbery to me too and wouldn't do.

[Clusterfrack]

What made you want to install the heavier sear spring?


I wanted to try a heavier SA pull for carry. This seems just right to me.

[Clusterfrack]

The difference in width between G19 and P07 makes no difference to me for AIWB carry. The grip on the P07 is nice and slim. Really liking the P07 for carry!

[Cecil Burch]

The difference in width between G19 and P07 makes no difference to me for AIWB carry. The grip on the P07 is nice and slim. Really liking the P07 for carry!

Agreed. The part where the P07 is thicker has zero bearing on concealment in any of the holsters I have for it - DSG, Garrity, and one by a local guy who no longer makes holsters.

[Clusterfrack]

The thinner grip is giving me a bit of trouble with my draw. It’s harder for me to wrap my strong hand fingers in the grab from the holster (compared to a G19). I haven’t broken 0.90s yet with the P07.

[MGW]

Anyone have experience with both a P07 and P226? Other than the location of the decoker lever, would a P07 be close enough to a 226 to make an occasional lightweight alternative for carry?

I have shot a P07 and liked it but didn't put enough rounds through one to make a comparison.

[s0nspark]

Anyone have experience with both a P07 and P226? Other than the location of the decoker lever, would a P07 be close enough to a 226 to make an occasional lightweight alternative for carry?

"Close enough" in what respects?

[MGW]

"Close enough" in what respects?

Good question. I guess I'm asking if the P07 feels anything like what a polymer Sig classic might feel like if there was such a beast. Similar trigger characteristics, similar magazine release locations, slide release, point of aim, etc. I know that the 2022 is out there but doesn't fit what I'm looking for. We follow my sons baseball team around all summer and honestly when it's really hot I would rather carry a smaller, lighter, TDA polymer pistol over a 226.

[s0nspark]

Good question. I guess I'm asking if the P07 feels anything like what a polymer Sig classic might feel like if there was such a beast. Similar trigger characteristics, similar magazine release locations, slide release, point of aim, etc. I know that the 2022 is out there but doesn't fit what I'm looking for. We follow my sons baseball team around all summer and honestly when it's really hot I would rather carry a smaller, lighter, TDA polymer pistol over a 226.

There is a whole lot of subjective in that list... just sayin' ;-)

A friend of mine has a P226 so I've shot both side by side but I have much more trigger time on the CZs so, to me, the P226 felt "odd."

Just my observations here, nothing scientific, but to me the P226 felt a lot wider and the recoil impulse was quite different. Trigger on the P226 was stock so I'm not sure how fair the comparison would be to a tuned CZ but it didn't stand out as "bad" in any respect except reset. Mag releases were similar enough to me. Slide releases were worlds apart, mainly because I've trained so much to release the CZ slide release lever with my left hand thumb. Both guns pointed well for me and POI was as expected out to the 15 yards we were shooting at.

The other major differences were that my primary carry P-07 is equipped with an RMR, X300 and a comp... so, again, we aren't talking apples to apples. I do have a P-07 with just irons that I carry when clothing contraints apply - I would be happy to arrange another comparison with my friend and provide more impressions, if you like. Really, though, I suggest you rent or borrow a P-07 and shoot one yourself, if you have that option... your impressions may differ wildly from mine - you may find the guns close enough or not even close ;-)

[Greg]

Good question. I guess I'm asking if the P07 feels anything like what a polymer Sig classic might feel like if there was such a beast. Similar trigger characteristics, similar magazine release locations, slide release, point of aim, etc. I know that the 2022 is out there but doesn't fit what I'm looking for. We follow my sons baseball team around all summer and honestly when it's really hot I would rather carry a smaller, lighter, TDA polymer pistol over a 226.

Feels like a P226 = no
DA triggers on my 07s are heavier than my 226s but shorter length of pull.
SA the triggers are similar.
Mag release seems identical
Slide release is very different but Sigs are the oddball here.
POA, the CZs sit lower in the hand, grip angles seem the same.

I find the P-07s to be very shootable. In dry practice, they don't seem that impressive but when I run live ammo and use a shot timer I've become really fond of them.

[Trukinjp13]

I find the P-07s to be very shootable. In dry practice, they don't seem that impressive but when I run live ammo and use a shot timer I've become really fond of them.


This is the exact thing about the p07. Nothing seems sexy about it. But once you get it out and it goes loud the gun just shoots.



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[Clusterfrack]

The thinner grip is giving me a bit of trouble with my draw. It’s harder for me to wrap my strong hand fingers in the grab from the holster (compared to a G19). I haven’t broken 0.90s yet with the P07.

Cutting my JMCK AIWB 2.5 full length sweatguard down to mid-length helped. Draws are now in the 0.8x range.

[Clusterfrack]

Quick update to address GuanoLoco ‘s question about whether the beaver tail digs into your gut AIWB. No problems with that for me.
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[GuanoLoco]

Hmmm ... Is the P-07 beavertail less pokey than the suppressor-ready P-01 Omega I have, or am I suffering from crappy holster (came with the gun) syndrome?

I need to go handle a P-07.

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[Clusterfrack]

My second P-07 showed up yesterday. This one is FDE. I’ll post some pics soon for those who care about gunporn. Until then, here are some observations.

The action was ok out of the box, and got noticeably smoother with a bit of Lucas oil and grease. The roller and sear seem to need grease. DA pull is heavy—off scale of my gauge—over 10#. Specs say 13#, and I believe it. SA pull is 3.75#, actually a bit lighter than in my Cajunized P-07. The break and reset are good, but not as clean and predictable as the CGW gun.

I’m not sure if I’ll leave this gun stock, put in another ProGrade kit, or send it to Cajun.

[Clusterfrack]

Addendum to my last post:
After about 1000 dryfire cycles (with a foam earplug over the firing pin to reduce wear on the roll pin), the action is measurably improved. DA: 9#, SA: 3.75-4#. It's much smoother. Not quite as crisp as the CGW Prograde gun, but still very nice.

[Leroy]

Addendum to my last post:
After about 1000 dryfire cycles (with a foam earplug over the firing pin to reduce wear on the roll pin), the action is measurably improved. DA: 9#, SA: 3.75-4#. It's much smoother. Not quite as crisp as the CGW Prograde gun, but still very nice.

When I played with the P07 the best DA trigger was with stock parts and spring swap. The reset was long and SA wall barely noticeable. I swapped it over to the CGW parts and the DA got heavier and SA had more of a wall but felt better. Unfortunately I didn't like how the CGW parts moved the trigger break point closer to the frame. The reset was also shorter.

The P07 had one of the best beavertails of any gun I have felt, it was wide and not pointy at all.

[Clusterfrack]

Gunporn as promised
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[Clusterfrack]

Leroy:
My gun with the CGW ProGrade kit and heavy sear spring: DA 8.5#, SA 4#.

The triggers break at the same point, but the CGW reset is shorter and lacks the friction and ramp of the stock trigger in SA. The ‘first stage’ takeup is lighter on the CGW gun, due to the light trigger return spring. The SA break is heavier on the CGW gun because that’s how I tuned it, using the heavy sear spring.

I prefer the CGW gun, but the stock one is very nice.

Interesting what some grease and break in did.

[Clusterfrack]

With Tractiongrip

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[DG12]

Good looking gun Clusterfrack, thanks for the photos. Are you using the stock sights on your carry guns?

[Clusterfrack]

DG12, I’m using the stock rear with dots blacked out and a Dawson fiber optic front (from CGW). I might try the Dawson tritium sights on the second one.

[DG12]

Thanks. I was asking because I was thinking about trying a Dawson tritium front also. I have a CGW FO front now too with a HTAC (I think is the name) rear now. On a different note, CGW is a pretty awesome. I've called them twice and they've helped me over the phone in as nice a manner as possible. They're a good resource for CZ owners

[s0nspark]

Thanks. I was asking because I was thinking about trying a Dawson tritium front also. I have a CGW FO front now too with a HTAC (I think is the name) rear now. On a different note, CGW is a pretty awesome. I've called them twice and they've helped me over the phone in as nice a manner as possible. They're a good resource for CZ owners

I love the HTAC/fiber combo. That is what I put on all my irons-only guns. The HTAC rear shape is a bit different on the Shadow/P-10C model but still great - the P-07/P-09 model is boss IMO.

Not the greatest pic but P-07 on the left, P-10C on the right.

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[DG12]

That's it, green fiber for me too (that's a recent change). sOnspark, I think I got to looking into that rear from one of your posts here or another forum.

[Gary1911A1]

Addendum to my last post:
After about 1000 dryfire cycles (with a foam earplug over the firing pin to reduce wear on the roll pin), the action is measurably improved. DA: 9#, SA: 3.75-4#. It's much smoother. Not quite as crisp as the CGW Prograde gun, but still very nice.
Thanks. I'm going to do this today to see if it improves my P-07 trigger.

[Clusterfrack]

@sOnspark, does that HTac rear have the same POI as the OEM rear? It looks a bit sharp too, does it abrade clothing? It looks like it gives an excellent sight picture. I’m tempted.

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks. I'm going to do this today to see if it improves my P-07 trigger.

Don’t forget to add a little grease to the roller and sear / hammer area.

[PD Sgt.]

@sOnspark, does that HTac rear have the same POI as the OEM rear? It looks a bit sharp too, does it abrade clothing? It looks like it gives an excellent sight picture. I’m tempted.

Not sOnspark, but I have the HTac on one of my P07s, and it was taller than the factory rear, though without it in hand I do not recall how much. I did have to go with a taller front sight to get POA-POI at the top of the blade.

I have the CZ Custom tactical rear on my other P07. This was the same height as factory if I recall correctly and worked with the stock height front. Very similar sight picture, just not as tall and without as much purchase for one hand racking. The website shows a sku of 1001080 for this one as opposed to 1001085 for the HTac.

I have not had problems with either tearing up clothes, but the HTac pistol is my training gun and the other is my carry piece.

[s0nspark]

Not sOnspark, but I have the HTac on one of my P07s, and it was taller than the factory rear, though without it in hand I do not recall how much. I did have to go with a taller front sight to get POA-POI at the top of the blade.

Yes - this. Not interchangeable with the stock rear.

I’ve had no issues with the p-07 htac ... I don’t carry the p-10c at all. It may look sharp but feels nothing like the trijicon HD rear ;-)

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks PD Sgt. Darn it, I just ordered the HTAC rear because the description said standard height. I may have to return it.

[PD Sgt.]

Looking at the site it says the HTAC works with a 6.5mm front and the Tactical works with the 5.5mm, which I believe is the stock factory height. I have Dawson FO fronts and do not remember what heights I went with, since they measure their sights differently than CZC.

[DG12]

Thanks to PD Sgt. for those skus. I didn't realize it, but I think I have the Tactical rear and not the HTAC although mine looks just like sOnspark. I forgot about the profile differences and I wanted a lower profile. With that being said, I have a FO front from CZCustom, 5.5mm that I don't use. If one of you wants it just PM me and I'll send it to you. I ended up with a different height Dawson FO front. (I need to get organized. I've got different packages from Dawson all over the place for guns I don't even have anymore and now don't even know what sights I'm using...)

Edit: Forgot to include, the rear sights haven't messed up my shirts at all and I think they're less sharp than Trijicon sights I've had in the past.

[willie]

You might google CZ frame bulging. Some early P-07s like your vintage showed a weird issue whereby the polymer frame bulged out away from the metal. CZ called it a cosmetic thing, a position that I disagreed with.

[Clusterfrack]

Interesting. Looks like the bulge issue was over 10 years ago in the Duty guns. And again that’s why I’m not an early adopter.

[Clusterfrack]

DG12, PM sent. Thanks dude!

[Clusterfrack]

I took my 20 yr old daughter to the range today. She's very petite--5', 100 lbs, and has had difficulty with full size handguns in the past. So far, her best performance (other than at steel matches with a Ruger Mark 3) is with an LCP 1.2 and a Glock 43. Today she did especially well with the 43, and was making consistent A zone hits at 15 yds and SHO at 10 yds.

The reason I'm writing about this is here is that my Cajunized P-07 was a no-go for her. She couldn't rack the slide, even with the hammer back, and that's with a 15# recoil spring. Then, she had a FTE/doublefeed, almost certainly because her grip was so compromised from trying to reach the trigger in DA mode. When the gun was working for her, she was quite accurate with it, but I can't recommend this gun for a very tiny girl.

[Artemas2]

Just installed the pro kit into my P 09. I have to wonder if I did something wrong. The results are not as mind blowing as I was led to believe. :confused:

The DA pull is heavier. I don't have a gauge, but it is heavier than stock for sure. It also is one of the more gritty triggers I have ever felt.
The short reset is almost unnoticeable compared to stock.

I will dry fire the crap out of it this week before I get to the range and see if that helps. I want to like this gun, but so far I am not impressed.

[M2CattleCo]

I've handed two P07s in gunshops. I'm used to good Beretta and Sig triggers, Glock and HK plastic. After reading all the reviews of the life changing performance of a CZ, I was fully prepared to become a fanboy.

The two that I saw? I found nothing impressive or even nice about anything on the pistol. It appeared crudely built and the trigger pull was very heavy and gritty. It's wider than a Glock and the back end of the slide is full of hard/sharp corners.

[Clusterfrack]

Artemas, you can tune the DA pull with the mainspring. I’m using the 18# spring and have a 8.5# DA. Note that I increased the SA pull to #4 using the heavy 0.020” CGW sear spring. There is some polishing you can do on the trigger bar if there’s a rough feel. Also, a little grease and dryfire will help. You could also send it to CGW.

It’s interesting how we can have such different impressions of a gun, M2CattleCo. Life changing? Not really, but I am impressed with the build quality of my P-07s. I haven’t found anything I would call rough or crudely manufactured—definitely a more finely machined action than a Glock or earlier generations of CZs.

The grip of the P07 is similar to a G19, and I find them equally easy to carry concealed.

The stock P07 needs some grease and a lot of dryfire to become smooth, and for the DA pull to settle down to ~#8-9

[s0nspark]

I’ve upgraded 4 P-07s myself, with no polishing - just parts upgrades - and I have noticed improvements in every case. SA creep all but disappeared and DA was lighter and smoother. With some rounds through these guns and regular dry fire they have smoothed up nicely.

I am a fan of CZs... but not in stock form. Some of the stock guns I have handled were nicer than others but - in my experience - they in a different class altogether once upgraded and broken in.

[Artemas2]

Have the 18# with the heavier sear spring in it currently.
I was able to go out back and put a few round through it. The CGW parts are more noticeable in live fire, just not $200 more noticeable.
I am not comfortable with trying to polish internals myself. I will order some grease and try that.

So far it's no Sig in concern to the trigger, but I do like everything else about it. Looking forward to some time together with it this year.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Got my 07s stippled [emoji106]. I also tried the 15lb hammer spring and still got light primer strikes. Will be staying with the 18lber from now on.

P07 + TLR1HL + JMCK IWB2 = [emoji847][emoji847][emoji847]

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[s0nspark]

Got my 07s stippled [emoji106]. I also tried the 15lb hammer spring and still got light primer strikes. Will be staying with the 18lber from now on.

P07 + TLR1HL + JMCK IWB2 = [emoji847][emoji847][emoji847]

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Pics? Who did the stippling?

I’m about to start taking that plunge with my group ;-)

[Lon]

Got my 07s stippled [emoji106]. I also tried the 15lb hammer spring and still got light primer strikes. Will be staying with the 18lber from now on.

P07 + TLR1HL + JMCK IWB2 = [emoji847][emoji847][emoji847]

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no pics = epic thread fail.

[Clusterfrack]

Tractiongrips tape is working really well for me. Here’s my stock gun (no aftermarket mods other than sights). JMCK AIWB 2.5.

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[Clusterfrack]

The grip of the P07 is similar to a G19, and I find them equally easy to carry concealed.


Just measured—Small frame Glocks and P07 have the same grip width: 1.18”. The thinner 1” slide width on the Glock seems less relevant for CCW. Also the frame width below the Glock slide is 1.18”

[DG12]

Noticed while dry firing the other night my firing pin "stuck" forward. I was dry firing with a little piece of foam ear plug in between the hammer and on my last rep I went to take it out and just happened to notice the firing pin by chance. Instead of taking it apart, my first thought, I racked the slide and back to normal. I couldn't get it to do that again. CGW (best customer service of any company in the world) got me squared away with a new firing pin (extended firing pin and spring), reduced plunger spring, and their firing pin retaining pin. They figured my retaining pin was damaged. I have taken it apart before and maybe screwed up installing it again. The factory pin looks like sheet metal rolled over itself and the CGW pin is more of a sold piece. Installed the new parts today and it seems go to go although I haven't been to the range yet. Here are some photos if this helps anybody with a similar problem. The retaining pin looks damaged to me, but haven't taken the one out of my other gun to compare.

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[s0nspark]

Absolutely damaged. The stock pin is a roll pin whereas the CGW one is a spring pin.

Glad CGW took care of you, although I’m not surprised. They are great folks!

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks for posting that DG12. That pin is seriously buggered. I’m trying to figure out exactly how it got that way. It is important to install the CGW pin with the gap at 12:00, and while the firing pin is held in a forward position. Could all that damage have been done by dryfire against the pin while it was oriented with the gap at 9:00? Or maybe as you inserted it, the FP galled against it and that’s the cause? What did the FP look like? Did you send the pics to CGW?

[s0nspark]

Thanks for posting that DG12. That pin is seriously buggered. I’m trying to figure out exactly how it got that way. It is important to install the CGW pin with the gap at 12:00, and while the firing pin is held in a forward position. Could all that damage have been done by dryfire against the pin while it was oriented with the gap at 9:00? Or maybe as you inserted it, the FP galled against it and that’s the cause? What did the FP look like? Did you send the pics to CGW?

Wasn’t the buggered one a stock pin? They can be damaged quite easily...

[Clusterfrack]

Wasn’t the buggered one a stock pin? They can be damaged quite easily...

Ah, you might be right. I have been meaning to replace my OEM roll pin with the CGW pin in my unmodified stock P-07.

[Artemas2]

when I did my swap to CGW parts I noticed my factory retaining pin was pretty beaten up with very minimal dry fire time on it.

[s0nspark]

when I did my swap to CGW parts I noticed my factory retaining pin was pretty beaten up with very minimal dry fire time on it.

That and the stock TRS are two things I replace straight away. I saw damage on the stock retaining pin after < 10 dry fires. Crazy!

[DG12]

Yes, that was the stock retaining pin. I tried to make 100% sure when I took it out the first time that I had it positioned correctly, but who knows. I can screw up a lot with little effort sometimes. The firing pin doesn't show much damage. The groove on the left, towards you, has a small area that can be felt (just barely) if you rub your finger across it. That's the only thing I could tell and I didn't even notice it until really looking at it before uploading this photo.

Now that I think of it, I didn't order another CGW retaining pin for my stock gun the other day. I've heard the same thing about the stock TRS and have a couple on stand by, but haven't had any problems. On the bright side, I've never had a problem at all other than noticing that in dry fire the other night. Here's a photo of the stock firing pin I took out.

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I haven't sent CGW the photos, but that is a good idea and I will this week. Thanks for the heads up.

[s0nspark]

From what I recall the notch on the stock FP that the retaining pin sits in is more angular which is the cause for some of the damage. The CGW FP notch is shaped to mate with the pin more closely.

As for the TRS - I’ve never broken one either but given the reputation that part has for breakage I just like to play it safe.

[Clusterfrack]

Well, looks like we've found the Achilles heel of the P-07. I'll be inspecting my roll pin and if it's worn, installing the CGW tempered steel FP retaining pin (https://cajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/).

The CGW Firing Pin (https://cajungunworks.com/product/61050-perfection-series-firing/) is supposed to be used with a 15# or lighter hammer spring, so that's a no-go on my stock gun.

[Mirolynmonbro]

That's odd. I thought at one point it said to use with 18lb or less. I've been using it with the 18lber since I've had the gun. The 15lber wasn't working well at all on my 07s

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[Artemas2]

It does look like they use different FPs for the SRT, I see different product numbers now
61050 Extended Firing Pin *15# only
61040 “Perfection” series extended S-7 tool steel firing pin (15# or 18#)


That's odd. I thought at one point it said to use with 18lb or less. I've been using it with the 18lber since I've had the gun. The 15lber wasn't working well at all on my 07s

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The SRT kit page says "a reduced hammer spring" and sites both 15# & 18#. The firing pin page says on use a 15#:confused:

92030 Short Reset Kit P-07, P-09, P-01, & 75 Omega

Please note: you CANNOT use the CGW firing pin with the OEM 20# hammer spring, you must use a reduced power HS. See the CGW HS-15 hammer spring for use with Federal and Winchester primers (range and competition use) only, or our HS-18 self-defense HS for the utmost in extreme reliability.

61050 Extended Firing Pin

Use with a 15# or less hammer spring

[s0nspark]

Interesting... I’ve only worked with the 61040 FP. It does run fine with either a 18# or 15# HS in my experience.

I’ll see if I can dig up more info on the other one.

[s0nspark]

OK - per Scott @ CGW:

Same firing pin, the 61040 was at one time used just for the P07-P09. But we use the same firing pin in both now so there is no 61040. Just a 61050.

In the end there can be only one :)

... and it obviously works fine with an 18# HS in the P-07/P-09 because that is what they use in the ProGrade kit by default.

ETA: Scott followed up to say that the 18# is not mentioned in the description because you wouldn't use that in a metal framed gun. It is a bit confusing the way they present the info, then.

[Clusterfrack]

Looks like CGW says we cannot use the 61050 FP with an OEM 20# hammer spring in the P-07?

[s0nspark]

Looks like CGW says we cannot use the 61050 FP with an OEM 20# hammer spring in the P-07?

Right - using the extended FP with a 20# stock HS would not be a recipe for success, apparently :)

[Clusterfrack]

I just installed the CGW Tempered FP Retaining Pin (https://cajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/) in my otherwise-stock P-07. The OEM roll pin showed a little wear, but not much. I've done quite a bit of dryfire, so my results aren't entirely consistent with the other reports of pin-destruction. That said, if you plan on doing a lot of dryfire without a piece of foam earplug over the FP, the CGW retaining pin seems like prudent preventive maintenance.

The install is very simple, but there are a few things to pay attention to. I used a roll pin starter punch (the one with the hole in it) to keep the new pin vertical and oriented with the split at 12:00. The FP must be oriented properly, and kept completely compressed flush against the back of the slide, or there will be serious buggery. I used a quick clamp and a .32 ACP case to accomplish this. After the new pin is installed, check for any binding, and check function of the gun by launching a pencil straight up.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Does anyone use the oversized roller? CGW website says it helps with timing issues. What are timing issues?

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[s0nspark]

Does anyone use the oversized roller? CGW website says it helps with timing issues. What are timing issues?


There may be other kinds of timing issues but the ones I've heard of involve DA or SA trigger pulls landing at half cock instead of firing OR the decocker dropping to fire instead of half cock. In other words not safe at all ;-)

Rollers are sold in 3 sizes currently and you should choose based on the size of the one you are replacing - the new roller should be the same or slightly bigger.

It is worth mentioning also that CGW does not warranty a mixture of stock and upgrade internals - if you replace the roller you need to follow suit with the lifter, etc. The hammer is optional but any parts that work together need to be all stock or all upgrades.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Ah. Good info. I have the extended firing pin and spring with the 18lb hammer spring. Was thinking about getting the short reset stuff to put in it soon

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[Mirolynmonbro]

Those with the primary machine comp, what holster are you using?

And what about with comp + wml?

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[Artemas2]

Those with the primary machine comp, what holster are you using?

And what about with comp + wml?

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Nick from practical tactical is using a surefire + PM comp with a squared away customs holster https://www.squaredawaycustoms.com/ (I am using one for a Glock and have no complaints for quality)

Another option would be to ask Tony Mayer if he could do one for you.

[s0nspark]

Those with the primary machine comp, what holster are you using?

And what about with comp + wml?

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My P-07 rides in a JMCK AIWB Claw #1 for P-09 + X300. A couple minutes with a heat gun made it compatible with the PM comp ;)

[NerdAlert]

Had an interesting malf with my new p07 today. First 200 rounds. Chamber is empty. Also in DA the hammer was falling to the half cock notch, but that was self induced from over adjusting the trigger bar spring. I was able to fix it at the range. 24026

[Clusterfrack]

Mostly-OEM P-07 Update PART 1.


Tell me more about the trigger improving. Since the Pro kit is $365 plus shipping and a long wait to have Cajun install, and I have a few stock carry 07/09 pistols, I am on the fence about sending them to Cajun.


Good question. Short answer is if you're willing to spend an hour or two working the trigger, you probably don't need to send it to CGW. If you're in the market for a new P-07, buying it directly from them with the kit installed is a good way to go. If you want to carry a gun that you understand mechanically, then installing the kit yourself like I did is a good project.

NOTE: There are two potentially problematic issues with the P-07/09, but both are easily solvable.

1) The guns are not designed to be dryfired. "Unprotected" dryfire smashes the firing pin into the FP retaining roll pin, causing damage to the roll pin. Eventually, this can cause a malfunction where the FP does not move freely. I insert a half a foam earplug between the hammer and firing pin to protect the FP roll pin from peening. I also installed a CGW tempered steel roll pin (https:jjcajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/) that resists damage.

2) As with other CZs there are reports of trigger return springs breaking. This appears to be much less of an issue in the P-07/09 than with the CZ-75 line, and my OEM trigger return spring has been fine so far (thousands of cycles). The obvious solution is to replace the trigger return spring with a CGW spring (https:/ /cajungunworks.com/product/rp-trsreduced-power-trigger-return-spring/), which I used in my Shadow 2's. These are very durable, and can last for over 50,000 cycles.

Now on to the break-in process:
I cleaned the gun, lubricated the action with Lucas grease and oil. Then I dryfired the gun in DA for a few hundred cycles. Think of this as a workout for your trigger fingers. I used compressed air to blow out the sear area, and re-lubricated with grease.

Next, focusing on rough spots in the single action pull, I worked the trigger repeatedly without dropping the hammer.

The result was dramatic. DA pull dropped from over 13# to 8# [But see below], the low end of the published spec for this gun. The SA pull smoothed out as well. Now if you aren't familiar with them, the OEM gun is hard to distinguish from the CGW ProGrade gun. The CGW P-07 has a crisper SA break, and a slightly shorter reset.

Note: A different trigger gauge now measures 9#, with the CGW Reduced Power TRS.

Am I glad I spent the time and money to install a ProGrade kit on one gun? Absolutely. The gun is amazing. And it was worth it to learn how the P-07 works and to gain confidence in the design. It's a remarkably simple and well-engineered system. I especially like the ability to tune the weight of the SA pull using the CGW increased weight sear springs ( "https :/ /cajungunworks.com/product/50020-p0709-increased-weight-sear-spring/"). Since I carry it, I chose the heaviest 0.020" spring to increase the SA pull to 4# in the ProGrade gun (stock weight is listed as 3.3 - 5.5lbs).


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[Clusterfrack]

Mostly-OEM P-07 Update PART 2.

I replaced the trigger return spring in my stock P-07 with the CGW TRS because of the added durability. It is supposed to reduce the DA pull by about 1/2 lb. I had a hard time noticing or measuring a difference in the DA pull. It is 9# on the trigger gage I have (different from one I borrowed earlier). However the SA pull was measurably lower, around 3.5#, I swapped in a CGW heavy sear spring (0.020"), which brings the SA up to 4.25 to 4.5#, actually heavier than with all OEM springs. I think this setup is perfect for a carry gun.

Note that if you retain the roller and decocker cam with the punch you used to drive out the sear pin, you can lift the sear, replace the sear spring, and put everything back together easily. The biggest PIA in the process is setting the decocker spring on the decocker. I made a tool that looks like this to do the job:

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[Angry Driver]

Had an interesting malf with my new p07 today. First 200 rounds. Chamber is empty. Also in DA the hammer was falling to the half cock notch, but that was self induced from over adjusting the trigger bar spring. I was able to fix it at the range.
I have had that same malfunction with a P-01 and a PCR, but luckily not with either of my P-07s. I think the issue is with the magazine in my case, but it's just a guess. It's not very confidence-inspiring to stovepipe a live round, though.

[s0nspark]

The biggest PIA in the process is setting the decocker spring on the decocker.


Indeed! I hate that dang spring. I've taken to using a small locking hemostat to set it.

In days past, I had several steel-framed CZs worked over by David at Cajun Gun Works and they were great, of course. When I switched tracks and picked up the Omega-based P-07s I decided (with David's encouragement!) to try installing the ProGrade upgrades myself.

Having done 4 guns now, I strongly second the notion that these upgrades are totally doable by mere mortals, especially if - like me - you are not one to polish internals. I prefer to let parts wear in naturally since mine are primarily carry guns... and I see the biggest benefit of sending guns to CGW being their expert polishing job. A secondary benefit is they don't bat an eye at having to deal with the (frightening) sear cage on the steel framed guns... hehe

One side benefit of doing these upgrades myself is that I really feel like I "own" the platform I depend on the most.

[GJM]

1) is there an armorer’s video for the 07/09, or another good source of info beyond take it apart and then figure out how to get it back together?

2) an upcoming project is to take a P07 and have Primary Arms direct mill a Shield RMS in front of the rear sight.

[s0nspark]

is there an armorer’s video for the 07/09, or another good source of info beyond take it apart and then figure out how to get it back together?

Where is your sense of adventure??? :-D

I used these videos when I got started - there may be something with better production available now, though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VhXSYKxcaA&list=PL7GbOFIiTV0zywDb1XrQ2FMDvFsgCtXkF

ETA: IIRC this video is pretty good too, if a bit long https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMnbeCv4gA

There is also an official armorer's manual available: https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/19628_Cz-P07p09-Armorers-Manual

[s0nspark]

The result was dramatic. DA pull dropped from over 13# to 8#, the low end of the published spec for this gun. The SA pull smoothed out as well. Now if you aren't familiar with them, the OEM gun is hard to distinguish from the CGW ProGrade gun. The CGW P-07 has a crisper SA break, and a slightly shorter reset.


A couple of small thoughts on this...

First, I think you nailed the biggest difference with the ProGrade kit - it is mainly about tuning up the SA - but I also noticed that the upgraded roller helped to smooth out the DA pull, as did dropping to a 15# hammer spring. It may be worth noting that the roller also corrects timing issues on some guns where the roughly machined stock part can lead to hammer follow in some circumstances.

Secondly, I have been rather surprised at how the stock guns have improved over the past few years. I've been shooting the P-series guns for 3+ years now and the out of the box trigger on the last gun I bought was night and day to the first. The first couple were really rough, especially coming from shooting the HK VP9. Had I never upgraded my guns to begin with I believe I'd be more than happy with the stock trigger of newer guns and minor reliability upgrades for carry... but once you know, you know :-)

[NerdAlert]

Where is your sense of adventure??? :-D

I used these videos when I got started - there may be something with better production available now, though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VhXSYKxcaA&list=PL7GbOFIiTV0zywDb1XrQ2FMDvFsgCtXkF

ETA: IIRC this video is pretty good too, if a bit long https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMnbeCv4gA

There is also an official armorer's manual available: https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/19628_Cz-P07p09-Armorers-Manual

+1 on the joe mustang videos. His p09 CGW install video shows a complete tear down as well. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChRsfL_xyHs)

[cold-beer]

Greetings from Eastern WA......1st post. Been lurking on this forum for some time. I got bored today and decided to become a member.

Anyways, I love the P07. Great pistol!

It shoots far more accurately for me than any Glock as well. I purchased my first CZ in 2011. It was a standard 75b. Last year I decided to purchase another CZ that was a little easier to carry if I ever decided to carry a larger pistol. I couldn't believe how accurate the P07 was. I actually shot it as well as my standard 75b; however, I shot the P01 even better than my 75b and was sold. The P01 fit my hand just a hair better and it naturally points better for me than any handgun I've ever owned including 1911's. At 15 yards, I can shoot about a 2 inch group, which is almost as well as I shoot my rim-fire target pistols.

CZ has me sold!

[JTPHD]

All of these recent posts have inspired me to take a break from Glock and dust off the CGW P-07!

[Clusterfrack]

cold-beer — welcome to Pistol-Forum. Hope to hear more from you soon.

[RJ]

cold-beer — welcome to Pistol-Forum. Hope to hear more from you soon.

Ditto.

Warm welcome from Tampa.

[Lon]

I was talking w the CZ guys here at the vendor show at the OTOA conference the other day and asked them about new offerings in the P07/09. I was hoping they had a RAMI sized polymer DA/SA gun in the works. But no bueno. All their effort is going to new P10 offerings.

[Greg]

I was talking w the CZ guys here at the vendor show at the OTOA conference the other day and asked them about new offerings in the P07/09. I was hoping they had a RAMI sized polymer DA/SA gun in the works. But no bueno. All their effort is going to new P10 offerings.

BAH! I guess CZ was made painfully aware that is is a striker fired market right now.

[JTPHD]

So, earlier this week, I listed my P-07 locally. It's a gun I've thought about getting rid of several times, and then I shoot it again :D

It has been at least a year since I've shot it, so finished up today's range session with 50 yard double action only practice on a 9.5 x 20 in. steel plate. You probably can't see it too clearly, but my 2x4 finally cracked on the last shot. I seriously need to stop shooting it. ;)


https://youtu.be/Ow9E1bb3bMk

[Lon]

I spent a few months away from my 07. Tried a G19/RMR combo. After a lot of rounds and a red dot specific class it’s going bye bye and I’m going back to the 07. Gonna have to buy another one.

[JTPHD]

Has anyone experimented with lighter recoil springs? I have the CGW 15 Lb. Spring, but it feels essentially the same as the stock spring, i.e., oversprung. I'm thinking about trying out an ISMI Glock 19 13 lb. spring, as there are still occasions where the slide presents problems during manipulations.

[Clusterfrack]

The 15# flat wire recoil spring ejects well for my defense loads, and also works well for light practice reloads. If I was competing, I would go with a lighter spring. For carry, no.

[Lon]

Has anyone experimented with lighter recoil springs? I have the CGW 15 Lb. Spring, but it feels essentially the same as the stock spring, i.e., oversprung. I'm thinking about trying out an ISMI Glock 19 13 lb. spring, as there are still occasions where the slide presents problems during manipulations.

I’ve been running a 12 or 13# spring in mine for a couple years. No issues. Can’t remember which for sure. Think it’s a 12#. It’s got several thousand through it. I’m getting ready to order another one.

[JTPHD]

Lon- are you using the 12# and 13# ISMI springs for your Duty ammo as well, or mainly for range ammunition?

[Mirolynmonbro]

I use the 15lber in my P09 and P07s. I notice a big difference with the P09, but with the P07s the difference is smaller

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[Lon]

Lon- are you using the 12# and 13# ISMI springs for your Duty ammo as well, or mainly for range ammunition?

I run it with everything

[JTPHD]

I run it with everything

Okay. Thanks!

[Lon]

HD style sights for the P07:

https://www.nightfision.com/product/night-fision-perfect-dot-tritium-night-sights-for-cz-usa?utm_source=Night+Fision&utm_campaign=bc544b903a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_06_01_07_20&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e2ab5cf097-bc544b903a-71552923&mc_cid=bc544b903a&mc_eid=34b9e17a0d

Anyone seen these in person?

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[Greg]

I'm very happy to see these Night Fision sights. Hope they're solid!

[Lon]

I'm very happy to see these Night Fision sights. Hope they're solid!

I just ordered a set. I’m hoping they’re as nice as my HDs. The lack of HD type sights has been my only real gripe with my 07. These will go on my spare Duty slide that I use when I teach at the police academy. I’ll post pics and a review once I get em on the gun.

[Clusterfrack]

Can you see the specs on front and rear notch width? My iPhone isn’t displaying the web page at sufficient resolution.

[Lon]

Can you see the specs on front and rear notch width? My iPhone isn’t displaying the web page at sufficient resolution.

Front width isn’t listed for some reason.

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[Clusterfrack]

0.138” rear notch. That’s excellent. I was worried that this would be another fat sight set like the HDs. But it actually looks comparable to my CGW/Dawson night sights
https://cajungunworks.com/product/40343-cz-p-07p-09-night-sights/
0.135” Rear notch
0.125” Front width

[s0nspark]

I have sets coming for one of my P-07s and my P-10c. Very much looking forward to them.

[AMC]

A coworker showed me a pic of these sights for Sigs. Wasn't interested, as my HDXRs are working for me right now. Since I'm picking up a P07 soon for an off duty gun....this makes me smile, now!

[GJM]

I just ordered a set. I’m hoping they’re as nice as my HDs. The lack of HD type sights has been my only real gripe with my 07. These will go on my spare Duty slide that I use when I teach at the police academy. I’ll post pics and a review once I get em on the gun.

Wow, you can specify U or square rear, color of the front, and white rings or not on rear — sure hope these work out, as a lack of an orange front is about my only complaint with the 07/09.

[s0nspark]

Front width isn’t listed for some reason.


0.140" per CJ @ Night Fision [emoji4]

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[s0nspark]

Oh, also, CJ said they had a slight delay and preorders should ship the week of the 4th.

[psalms144.1]

Wait - a .140 front and a .138 rear? So a front that's WIDER than the rear notch? Hopefully there's a typo here somewhere...

[Sherman A. House DDS]

I have a set of the Night Fission sights for a Glock, and they’re great! Very rugged and well made.


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[GJM]

I have a set of the Night Fission sights for a Glock, and they’re great! Very rugged and well made.


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Is the rear sight sharp, rounded or in between?

[Greg]

Wait - a .140 front and a .138 rear? So a front that's WIDER than the rear notch? Hopefully there's a typo here somewhere...

It will certainly be a tight sight picture, better for precision than speed.

[Sherman A. House DDS]

Is the rear sight sharp, rounded or in between?

In between. Certainly not HD V1 sharp, but also not Novak LoMount smooth. A quite happy medium, really.


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[s0nspark]

It will certainly be a tight sight picture, better for precision than speed.

I think I will like that ... The hiviz front sight is big and visible enough for speed up close. Anything further out would make me want a more precise sight picture.

Some I've tried are surely fast but I find it harder to be as accurate as I need at distance.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Does anyone's support hand thumb getting eaten up by the slide stop? The part right at the thumb joint

On really hot days when my hands are sweating a lot the slide stop bangs up that knuckle/joint and a callus starts to build

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[Greg]

Does anyone's support hand thumb getting eaten up by the slide stop? The part right at the thumb joint

My thumb largely passes over the slide stop/release and I plant it on the textured pad in front of it. I make just enough contact to wear the finish off the leading edge. Try taking a file and putting a radiused edge where you're hitting it.

[azerious]

Does using JUST a snap cap while dry firing hurt the firing pin retaining pin?

And do the new 2018 models have the newest generation TRS for them?

[Clusterfrack]

Does using JUST a snap cap while dry firing hurt the firing pin retaining pin?

And do the new 2018 models have the newest generation TRS for them?

I’m not sure about the snap cap. You could try it for a while and check for damage to the roll pin. It’s such a cheap part. But, personally I like the earplug.

I believe the answer to your second question is yes, unless there’s an even newer TRS than the one from the last few years.

[Brian T]

I really liked my P07 and P09. I still feel that these make strong combo. The P07 might be the best AIWB shooter out there. I had issues with my P07 that couldnt be overcome. As a lefty, whilst during reload and holding the gun one handed, my left thumb put enough pressure on the frame at just the right area to prevent the magazine from dropping free. The CZ folks were great to work with, but unfortunately it just wasnt going to be a match made in heaven. Sold it to a friend, and he loves it. Not the hapiest of situations, but still happy. The P09 on the other hand had no issues. Wonderfully smooth shooting. I just couldnt afford the extra mags, didnt want to do the searching high-and-low, and I shot my 92 Vertec better.

If anyone needs a full CGW spring kit, gimme a holla.

I have CGW PN 97910: 13# competition mainspring (blue), 15# range/competition mainspring, extended firing pin spring

I also have CGW HS18: 18# duty/defense mainspring (yellow)

I also have 2 13rd(?) factory mags for .40S&W P07. They were supposed to be 9mm, seller dropped off the face of planet when I asked for return.

[opmike]

I've been kind of torn with my P-07 that I picked up two weeks ago, particularly with respect to the DA trigger pull. I have the CGW 15lb mainspring, CGW trigger return spring, I've lightly stoned (where necessary) and polished the roller, pins, the top face of the hammer that the lower portion of the sear rubs against as the hammer is cocking, the disconnector including the little "wing", the side and rear geometries on the trigger bar including the upper portion that makes contact with the roller, AND the hammer strut, and my DA trigger pull is still notchy and stagey. It's better than it was out of the box, but it's still a lot worse than just about every other DA/SA I've shot except for pull weight.

I've probably also dry fired it a little over a thousand times now. I admit to being a bit of a trigger snob, but I even dragged my old P89 out of the safe where it has literally sat untouched for about 6 years just to make sure I wasn't going crazy, and it's smooth as ceramic bearings compared to this thing.

[vaglocker]

opmike: I've made the same upgrades minus the stoning, and am pretty happy with the double action trigger pull now. It isn't butter smooth but pretty good. Another option might be to get the over sized roller bearing. I've heard some guns can benefit from this upgrade, but personally the stageyness went away for me with just the spring upgrade

[GNiner]

I've been kind of torn with my P-07 that I picked up two weeks ago, particularly with respect to the DA trigger pull. I have the CGW 15lb mainspring, CGW trigger return spring, I've lightly stoned (where necessary) and polished the roller, pins, the top face of the hammer that the lower portion of the sear rubs against as the hammer is cocking, the disconnector including the little "wing", the side and rear geometries on the trigger bar including the upper portion that makes contact with the roller, AND the hammer strut, and my DA trigger pull is still notchy and stagey. It's better than it was out of the box, but it's still a lot worse than just about every other DA/SA I've shot except for pull weight.

I've probably also dry fired it a little over a thousand times now. I admit to being a bit of a trigger snob, but I even dragged my old P89 out of the safe where it has literally sat untouched for about 6 years just to make sure I wasn't going crazy, and it's smooth as ceramic bearings compared to this thing.

My first P-07 had a great trigger pull right out of the box. I LIKE a heavier DA pull (10 lbs or so), so I never went with the lighter springs. My second P-07 was very "gritty-jerky". I finally solved this by installing a CGW roller. The CGW roller is polished on the outside and inside where it rides on the pin, and it improved the trigger pull tremendously. Still just using the stock springs, and liking it very much.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Have you bent the trigger bar? It's supposed to make the DA less stagey and smoother. I did it on my gaming P09 but not the others. It made a small change and didn't feel it was necessary to do on my carry and training guns. You could bend it back if you don't like the change

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[Clusterfrack]

How fast are you pulling the trigger when you evaluate it’s smoothness? Is it a realistic shooting speed (fast)? When I compare my Shadow2s to P07s, it’s hard to notice how much smoother the Shadows are unless I press really slow.

[azerious]

How fast are you pulling the trigger when you evaluate it’s smoothness? Is it a realistic shooting speed (fast)? When I compare my Shadow2s to P07s, it’s hard to notice how much smoother the Shadows are unless I press really slow.

This. People get too caught up on trigger pulls while "playing" with it during dry fire. During actual fast fire its hard to tell unless 1911's are involved. Even then, I'm not trigger snob and my 2018 P07 has smoothed tremendously in only 300 rounds. I also prefer to keep things stock. I might get the firing pin retainer and a spare TRS otherwise its staying stock as its perfect. With all the striker trigger upgrades on the market now it seems a trigger MUST be messed with from stock in order to get those "gain's". This applies to weightlifting, Mountain biking, golfing, etc. Shoot the damned thing and it will be fine.

[holmes168]

Shot a rental P-09 this morning to start my live fire this morning. First thing I noticed was how big the pistol was- and that it was built like a tank. I did enjoy shooting it, but the controls really didn't fit my hand very well. I worked more with my CenTac and PX4 and they really fit my hand a bit more. I can see that the P-07 and/or the P-09 would be a really quality pistol- I just am not sure it would be my choice.

[Joe in PNG]

Took my P07 out again this morning- I'm starting to really like it.

[MGW]

Shot a rental P-09 this morning to start my live fire this morning. First thing I noticed was how big the pistol was- and that it was built like a tank. I did enjoy shooting it, but the controls really didn't fit my hand very well. I worked more with my CenTac and PX4 and they really fit my hand a bit more. I can see that the P-07 and/or the P-09 would be a really quality pistol- I just am not sure it would be my choice.

I think the P09 feels bigger than it really is. Side by side with a 17 it’s really close to the same size. Slightly longer grip to account for the extra rounds but not a lot to long.

I noticed it most on reloads. I have to rotate the pistol slightly more than a 17 to get a clean reload. Once I figured this out it was no big deal.

The P09 feels like the flattest shooting polymer pistol I’ve ever shot.


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[Joe in PNG]

I've got a match coming up next week. If I like how my 07 runs there, I may be putting some pizza guns up for sale.

[s0nspark]

I noticed it most on reloads. I have to rotate the pistol slightly more than a 17 to get a clean reload. Once I figured this out it was no big deal.


I do the same... When I forget my reloads go poorly LOL

[Robinson]

I've got a match coming up next week. If I like how my 07 runs there, I may be putting some pizza guns up for sale.

Just be really sure before you go selling your Berettas.

[Joe in PNG]

Just be really sure before you go selling your Berettas.

Will do.

[s0nspark]

I've got a match coming up next week. If I like how my 07 runs there, I may be putting some pizza guns up for sale.

Are you at all interested in Carry Optics?

The P-07 is a great choice for that....

[Greg]

When you peeps get your Night Fission sights, please post photos and impressions.

Danke

[Mirolynmonbro]

Are you at all interested in Carry Optics?

The P-07 is a great choice for that....Would P09 be better for carry optics? Thinking IDPA 1-2 times a month with the occasional USPSA every two or three months. I think the obvious answer is P09 but I don't see many Glock 34s carry optics mostly 19s and 17s, but I might not be looking good enough

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[s0nspark]

Would P09 be better for carry optics? Thinking IDPA 1-2 times a month with the occasional USPSA every two or three months. I think the obvious answer is P09 but I don't see many Glock 34s carry optics mostly 19s and 17s, but I might not be looking good enough


I guess it would depend on your preferences. I tend to think of optic-equipped guns being the compact variants so I see the P-09 as a better choice for an irons-only setup.

Also, since I already have and carry an optic-equipped P-07, for me it was no contest. I compete with my carry gun... well, technically, my training gun.

However, I am not really a "competitor" so take my thoughts for what they may be worth - I compete locally just to have the opportunity to run the stages with my carry setup and stress test my skills, such as they are.

[Gun Mutt]

When you peeps get your Night Fission sights, please post photos and impressions.

Turns out they're about 40min up the road from me. I'm waiting on a call back to visit the shop and eyeball the different versions.

[Clusterfrack]

For USPSA CO, I’d recommend looking at what the top competitors are using. Have you seen any M/GMs shooting a P07?

[Trukinjp13]

Turns out they're about 40min up the road from me. I'm waiting on a call back to visit the shop and eyeball the different versions.

They are about 45 mins south of me. Interested to hear what your thoughts are.


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[Gun Mutt]

We oughta just meet at the range (http://www.firinglineguns.com/) near them. I rented an HK P30 there to test and found the staff to be just awesome.

[azerious]

For USPSA CO, I’d recommend looking at what the top competitors are using. Have you seen any M/GMs shooting a P07?


Rossen Hristov

Mike Pannone (NOT really GM but still)

Angus has also been known to sport one from time to although he loves his PM9

[Clusterfrack]

Pannone is a legit M class shooter. I think he usually shoots a P09 or Shadow.

[holmes168]

Do any of you have issue with hitting the slide release with your thumb on your strong hand? That was the biggest drawback to me about the P-09 I shot the other day. I don’t use my weak hand to release the slide (slingshot or any other method)- thinking it’s back to my Army days and the M4.

[Clusterfrack]

Do any of you have issue with hitting the slide release with your thumb on your strong hand? That was the biggest drawback to me about the P-09 I shot the other day. I don’t use my weak hand to release the slide (slingshot or any other method)- thinking it’s back to my Army days and the M4.

I have to flip my grip a bit to swipe the slide release.

[azerious]

Another point about the DA trigger. When you dry fire it from 100% hammer down (not from half cock) it will be alot longer, heavier, and more stacking than from half cock where it is 100% you decock it on a live round. Something to consider, I wouldn't get too wrapped up in that portion.

[JMS]

Do any of you have issue with hitting the slide release with your thumb on your strong hand?

Yeah, it's a reach; I've somewhat stubby fingers, and can't do the usual slide release hit on my 07 without compromising my primary grip to the point that it's just not worth it.

Left hand thumb hits the slide release. I do the same with 1911s, though, and have never had an issue with flubbing controls from one gun to another, so that makes it a successful technique. Won't be the same for everybody, physiology and one's ability to change methods from one gun to another will dictate.

[holmes168]

Funny things happen when you run by Academy and they are having a 10% off sale for Veterans.
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[GJM]

I have multiple Shadow 1 and P09 pistols set up for CO, and while I like both, have a definite preference for the P09 as it seems to combine the best attributes of a Glock and Shadow. My P09 pistols are direct milled for the DP Pro by Primary Machine. For gaming, I prefer the grip size of the P09 over the P07.

Rossen competes with a Shadow 2 in Production and has a P09 for EDC.

[GJM]

Two things:

I sent a stock P09 slide to Primary Machine to direct mill a DP Pro. When putting that upper on another P09 with a Cajun Pro kit installed, I got numerous light strikes. I believe the extended Cajun firing pin has solved those issues, but still confirming.

I also believe it is possible to unintentionally place enough pressure on the decocker of the P07/09, to cause a failure to ignite. If you remove the slide and partially depress the decocker, you can see how this pushes the trigger bar down.

[Clusterfrack]

GJM, yes I believe you must use the extended FP with the CGW ProGrade fire control parts. Mine will ignite military 5.56 primers.

Do you mean that if you hold the decocker while firing?

[GJM]

GJM

Do you mean that if you hold the decocker while firing?

Not sure I would describe it as “hold” but rather “make unintentional contact” with it.

[Clusterfrack]

My levers are pretty stiff. Although now that I think about it, I would like a slim low profile right side lever.

[GJM]

Take the slide off, and experiment with how much (or really little) movement of the decocker it takes to push the trigger bar down.

I filed on my left side decock lever tonight, to make it lower profile.

[s0nspark]

Not sure I would describe it as “hold” but rather “make unintentional contact” with it.

My strong hand thumb practically rides the decocker lever and I've never experienced an issue.

Not saying it couldn't happen... but it hasn't for me.

[s0nspark]

GJM, yes I believe you must use the extended FP with the CGW ProGrade fire control parts.

Technically, I believe it is the reduced power firing pin spring that must be used with anything less than a stock hammer spring. The extended FP would certainly seem like extra insurance, though.

Also, CGW will only warranty the ProGrade parts when used as a kit so mixing and matching with stock parts is not recommended. There is some CYA in that, for sure, but i could see how it could be a delicate balance...

[holmes168]

Technically, I believe it is the reduced power firing pin spring that must be used with anything less than a stock hammer spring. The extended FP would certainly seem like extra insurance, though.

Also, CGW will only warranty the ProGrade parts when used as a kit so mixing and matching with stock parts is not recommended. There is some CYA in that, for sure, but i could see how it could be a delicate balance...

Thanks for the info on the ProGrade kit- I’d planned to buy pieces at a time, not the entire kit in one shot.

[s0nspark]

Thanks for the info on the ProGrade kit- I’d planned to buy pieces at a time, not the entire kit in one shot.

Ok - my recollection was slightly fuzzy so I double-checked... it is actually the short reset kit (which is part of the ProGrade kit) that carries the disclaimer. They say:

You CANNOT use the OEM firing pin with the CGW lifter and disco, nor can you mix with any OEM parts. So do not substitute the OEM firing when using this kit; we will not warranty any parts, nor will we accept any returns unless all parts in the kit are used.

Also, the 18# HS carries this warning:

CGW music wire 18# hammer spring for P-07/09. This is our heaviest defensive weight spring and should only be used with our matching 97041 firing pin spring. It is not recommended to use this with the stock firing pin spring.

[s0nspark]

My levers are pretty stiff. Although now that I think about it, I would like a slim low profile right side lever.

I did not care for the right side lever at all at first... it felt weird when it would make contact with my strong hand when decocking. I don't notice it much now, thank goodness.

[Sootnsmoke]

For USPSA CO, I’d recommend looking at what the top competitors are using. Have you seen any M/GMs shooting a P07?Nope

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[Clusterfrack]

Also note that CGW says “Use the 15# or 18# hammer spring in the P-07/P-09”
https://cajungunworks.com/product/61050-perfection-series-firing/

That seems to imply not to use it with the OEM 20# hammer spring. I don’t think aftermarket parts can be assumed to work mix-and-match. At least I don’t.

[s0nspark]

That seems to imply not to use it with the OEM 20# hammer spring. I don’t think aftermarket parts can be assumed to work mix-and-match. At least I don’t.

Yeah... I have always viewed the ProGrade upgrades as a complete kit - not something one should pick and choose from. I know some poeple have done that with a degree of success but I never felt it was worth the risk.

[ldunnmobile]

Well I placed an order for a CGW P-07. PF strikes again.

[AMC]

Well I placed an order for a CGW P-07. PF strikes again.

Yeah, did the same Friday night. Not cause of PF, but from the experience of shooting several Cajunized P07's....and the weight of my 226 .40 is getting to me after all these years. I know....wimpy.

[LSP552]

Yeah, did the same Friday night. Not cause of PF, but from the experience of shooting several Cajunized P07's....and the weight of my 226 .40 is getting to me after all these years. I know....wimpy.

Really looking forward to your perspective as another SIG shooter. Funny how weight star to mean more with age. I’ve definitely pick up some whimp along the way to 62.....

I hd a chance to handle a regular PX4 Compact, not a CC and hated the grip...

[AMC]

Really looking forward to your perspective as another SIG shooter. Funny how weight star to mean more with age. I’ve definitely pick up some whimp along the way to 62.....

I hd a chance to handle a regular PX4 Compact, not a CC and hated the grip...

Took my 14 year old with me to the range today. Did some classifier practice, as well as some other timed drills, with my service pistol (226 .40) and my competition gun (stock 226 9mm. Also shot my recently refurbished with LTT parts Beretta 92G (my long ago duty gun). Coupla thoughts....first, .40 sucks elephant balls. Sweaty ones. I'm emotionally done with the caliber. My performance with an identical 9mm pistol was way beyond my ability with the .40. Tighter splits, tighter transitions. No comparison. This was loaded with RA40T and RA9T ammo. I will say the Cajun Pro package trigger in the CZ I shot was very nice...nicer than my broken in Sig's, but still a duty quality trigger. Similar in feel, but better, if that makes sense. And either Sig is a heavy gun. My son spent a lot of time with the Beretta, and was hooked. Shot the other two, and turned his nose up quick. Said the triggers were terrible compared to the Beretta (LTT slim grips, 12# hammer spring, Elite hammer, Hiviz orange paint on the front sight). After shooting the 92G, I'd have to agree. I'd take that, or a nice new Langdon 92 elite, in a heartbeat over either Sig. But we're still talking heavy metal guns. For me, I think the CZ P07 hits the sweet spot of weight, capacity, ergonomics, and trigger. I'll let you know more when I've put a few thousand down range. My new position gives me unlimited access to the range, so.....:cool:

[LSP552]

Took my 14 year old with me to the range today. Did some classifier practice, as well as some other timed drills, with my service pistol (226 .40) and my competition gun (stock 226 9mm. Also shot my recently refurbished with LTT parts Beretta 92G (my long ago duty gun). Coupla thoughts....first, .40 sucks elephant balls. Sweaty ones. I'm emotionally done with the caliber. My performance with an identical 9mm pistol was way beyond my ability with the .40. Tighter splits, tighter transitions. No comparison. This was loaded with RA40T and RA9T ammo. I will say the Cajun Pro package trigger in the CZ I shot was very nice...nicer than my broken in Sig's, but still a duty quality trigger. Similar in feel, but better, if that makes sense. And either Sig is a heavy gun. My son spent a lot of time with the Beretta, and was hooked. Shot the other two, and turned his nose up quick. Said the triggers were terrible compared to the Beretta (LTT slim grips, 12# hammer spring, Elite hammer, Hiviz orange paint on the front sight). After shooting the 92G, I'd have to agree. I'd take that, or a nice new Langdon 92 elite, in a heartbeat over either Sig. But we're still talking heavy metal guns. For me, I think the CZ P07 hits the sweet spot of weight, capacity, ergonomics, and trigger. I'll let you know more when I've put a few thousand down range. My new position gives me unlimited access to the range, so.....:cool:

Thanks for this! Totally agree about 9mm over .40.

I have a Wilson 92BT with the TJIB and 14 lb spring and it has an amazing trigger, along with a 92C. But as you said, big heavy metal pistols. Since the PX4 Compact grip doesn’t do anything for me, I really want to take a look at the P07.

Looking forward to your long-term thoughts.

Thanks again!

[Clusterfrack]

I think a lot of the difference in “amazing” DA triggers is due to very light hammer springs. If you put a not-for-carry 15# mainspring in a P-07, the trigger feels great.

[s0nspark]

I think a lot of the difference in “amazing” DA triggers is due to very light hammer springs. If you put a not-for-carry 15# mainspring in a P-07, the trigger feels great.

I wouldn't call the 15# HS unfit for carry. I have run thousands of rounds through mine without a single failure to fire.

[cheby]

I wouldn't call the 15# HS unfit for carry. I have run thousands of rounds through mine without a single failure to fire.

So have I. The question is as always about legal liability of such modification, not reliability to me