New CZ P-07 = Mind Blown

[GuanoLoco]

Wynn615, any mods to this gun?

Hmm, maybe not re-assembled properly?

[Clusterfrack]

A couple of CGW Sear Pins (https://cajungunworks.com/product/sear-pin-p-07-p-09/) arrived today. I'm reluctant to add a part to fix a problem I don't have, but am curious enough to test it. I'll report soon.

[ralph]

A couple of CGW Sear Pins (https://cajungunworks.com/product/sear-pin-p-07-p-09/) arrived today. I'm reluctant to add a part to fix a problem I don't have, but am curious enough to test it. I'll report soon.

Please post your results.. I'm kinda curious myself, although I haven't been able to replicate the problem on my pistol, and gave up trying..$8 for the pin, seems like cheap insurance though, and might be worth doing.

[Clusterfrack]

It could also introduce a problem, reduce reliability in dirty conditions, cause wear, etc.

[LSP552]

Pretty sure the P-07 is going to be my next handgun buy. It’s all your fault Clusterfrack and GuanoLoco.

[GuanoLoco]

Me Culpa. Interestingly to me, with my preferred AIWB carry in a JMCK Wing Claw P-09 holster, I can carry a P-07, and more importantly a P-07 with +2 extended magazine - OR - I can carry a P-09 the same way with no additional printing.

My point is to seriously consider the P-09.

[scottyjr07]

Do you find better stability with the P07 in a P09 AIWB? I have a JM 2.5 for my P07 and trying to figure out if going to a P09 holster is where I need to go. Sometimes I feel like the P07 holster wants to roll out but not always.

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[LSP552]

Me Culpa. Interestingly to me, with my preferred AIWB carry in a JMCK Wing Claw P-09 holster, I can carry a P-07, and more importantly a P-07 with +2 extended magazine - OR - I can carry a P-09 the same way with no additional printing.

My point is to seriously consider the P-09.

Thanks, I’m a 3:30 IWB guy, so butt length matters a bit more maybe. I handled a P-07 and P-09 the other day. Liked them both. Kinda worried about the Lays Potato Chip thing.

[Clusterfrack]

I really like my P-07s. They are my favorite carry gun, with a G19 in 2nd place.

I’m not a huge dude, so carrying a p-09 isn’t an option. Plus, the 07 does all I need.

[Clusterfrack]

A couple of CGW Sear Pins (https://cajungunworks.com/product/sear-pin-p-07-p-09/) arrived today. I'm reluctant to add a part to fix a problem I don't have, but am curious enough to test it. I'll report soon.

I installed the CGW sear pin in my Prograde P-07. Here's the report:
1. The custom sear pin has no effect on dropping the hammer to half-cock if the trigger pull is interrupted by an object at the moment the DA sear breaks. See my post (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32004-CZ-P09-ignition-problems&p=766739&viewfull=1#post766739) on how to make this happen, and why I do not think this is a problem for most people.

2. The new pin eliminates the wobble that's present in the P-07 sear, and I think makes for a more crisp SA break. I will leave the pin in this gun and test further.

I will not be installing this pin in my mostly-OEM P-07. I am guessing that a tighter tolerance will not be as dirt-resistant. A bit of play in the sear isn't necessarily a design flaw in a gun that is very robust to poor conditions. (I have not experienced the issue described by CGW below in three high-round-count P-07s.)


CGW's description (https://cajungunworks.com/product/sear-pin-p-07-p-09/) is as follows:
"On all CZ P-07, P-09’s, the sear itself can move side to side, however this does not create a problem for all CZ P-07 and P-09’s. The problem with sear movement is related to the locating groove on the underside of the sear. This groove on the underside of the sear properly positions the disconnector in relation to the trigger bar.

If the sear moves enough, it can allow the disconnector to slip off the trigger bar, rendering the DA inoperative. The CGW sear pin has a wider locating shoulder to minimize the side to side movement of the sear."

[Clusterfrack]

Double post

[GuanoLoco]

Do you find better stability with the P07 in a P09 AIWB? I have a JM 2.5 for my P07 and trying to figure out if going to a P09 holster is where I need to go. Sometimes I feel like the P07 holster wants to roll out but not always.

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I started with putting G19 Glocks in a JMCK G17 holster and liked it. When I started playing with P-07 I had the suppressor-ready version, and got the JMCK P-09 2.5 holster and liked it. Later I got a P-09, still all good. Then I got a JMCK 2.0 P-09 holster with the DCC clips - I prefer this for EDC, although I am faster with the 2.5 set for a higher ride and slight butt-high cant. No thought of roll-out.

I’ll admit I mostly carry OWB (I work from home, so, really, mostly) and swap to AIWB when I go out.

[Clusterfrack]

If you’re short, the P-09 holster may be uncomfortably long. I like the 07 length JMCK 2.5 set on the low-ride height, with my pillow wedge to keep it tucked in.

[ralph]

I installed the CGW sear pin in my Prograde P-07. Here's the report:
1. The custom sear pin has no effect on dropping the hammer to half-cock if the trigger pull is interrupted by an object at the moment the DA sear breaks. See my post (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32004-CZ-P09-ignition-problems&p=766739&viewfull=1#post766739) on how to make this happen, and why I do not think this is a problem for most people.

2. The new pin eliminates the wobble that's present in the P-07 sear, and I think makes for a more crisp SA break. I will leave the pin in this gun and test further.

I will not be installing this pin in my mostly-OEM P-07. I am guessing that a tighter tolerance will not be as dirt-resistant. A bit of play in the sear isn't necessarily a design flaw in a gun that is very robust to poor conditions. (I have not experienced the issue described by CGW below in three high-round-count P-07s.)


CGW's description (https://cajungunworks.com/product/sear-pin-p-07-p-09/) is as follows:
"On all CZ P-07, P-09’s, the sear itself can move side to side, however this does not create a problem for all CZ P-07 and P-09’s. The problem with sear movement is related to the locating groove on the underside of the sear. This groove on the underside of the sear properly positions the disconnector in relation to the trigger bar.

If the sear moves enough, it can allow the disconnector to slip off the trigger bar, rendering the DA inoperative. The CGW sear pin has a wider locating shoulder to minimize the side to side movement of the sear."


Thanks, you saved me $8..

[Mirolynmonbro]

Do you find better stability with the P07 in a P09 AIWB? I have a JM 2.5 for my P07 and trying to figure out if going to a P09 holster is where I need to go. Sometimes I feel like the P07 holster wants to roll out but not always.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using TapatalkI had a P09 length AIWB but unless the height was at the 2nd set of dots it was uncomfortable on me, but it also concealed less when carried lower. I just got a 2.0 JMCK with the DCC clips for the P07 and the height and length is perfect on me.

I had originally wanted the 2.5 with the DCC clips but Santa must have misunderstood and he brought me the 2.0 instead. No complaints after wearing it around for a couple days [emoji847]

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[Clusterfrack]

300 rounds through the ProGrade P07 with the CGW sear pin. No problems.

[Wynn615]

Wynn615, any mods to this gun?

I have the CGW gold hammer spring and CGW extended firing pin.

[Clusterfrack]

I have the CGW gold hammer spring and CGW extended firing pin.

Something's buggered in your reassembly. Did you bend any springs?

[Mirolynmonbro]

Did you bend your trigger bar spring?

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[JR1572]

I ordered my Dawson sights today and while I had my vise out I knocked the sights off of the P07 rather easily. When I get the new ones on I’ll post some pics.

[Clusterfrack]

I ordered my Dawson sights today and while I had my vise out I knocked the sights off of the P07 rather easily. When I get the new ones on I’ll post some pics.

Make sure to use the longer of the two set screws on the front sight.

[JR1572]

Make sure to use the longer of the two set screws on the front sight.

Will do. Thanks!

[JR1572]

I managed to get the sights on the P07 but my usual range is flooded right now. I’m going to try the range by my house Wednesday to see how I’m printing at 25 yards and if I need to use Dawson’s
Perfect Impact Program.

[Crusader8207]

Got this back from Cajun Gun Works on Friday. Had the RMR added. 2 week turn around. Hopefully get to the range this coming Saturday.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190114/dd60813f56fa588962b63f57152e2a27.jpg


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[Clusterfrack]

I just completed a detail strip and clean of the slide on my mostly-OEM P-07. It has 2000 rounds through it.

There was a significant amount of crud in the extractor channel and under the extractor hook. However, function was not affected. The factory shipped the FP block spring with grease in the hole. I like that, so I replaced the grease.

The CGW firing pin retaining pin (https://cajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/
https://cajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/) had a visible mark where the OEM firing pin strikes it, but it was not deep enough to feel with my fingernail. This gun has had a significant amount of "unprotected" dryfire because it's the gun I let folks try. I'm guessing ~1000 dryfire hits? That pin is tough! On reassembly I re-used the FP pin, but reversed the direction (with gap still at 12:00 where it belongs). A ball-head pilot punch (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008M22FII) helps seat the pin, and a brass hammer (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Q29MFO/) is a good idea in case of klutziness, especially when working on the extractor pin from the rail side of the slide.

[David S.]

Is anyone milling a good multi-optic mount for the P-07/09?

Really liking the idea of this gun but don’t want to be stuck with any particular optic.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Is anyone milling a good multi-optic mount for the P-07/09?

Really liking the idea of this gun but don’t want to be stuck with any particular optic.

https://czcustom.com/multi-sight-base-75-st-black.html

[GuanoLoco]

Make sure to use the longer of the two set screws on the front sight.

I think the second, shorter screw is supposed to be put in after the first screw as a mechanical alternative to threadlocker.

I could be wrong.

[Clusterfrack]

I think the second, shorter screw is supposed to be put in after the first screw as a mechanical alternative to threadlocker.

I could be wrong.

I didn’t think of that. I’ll have to check if there’s room. And if I can still find it.

Dawson instructions aren’t great, but I like their products and CS.

[cheby]

https://czcustom.com/multi-sight-base-75-st-black.html

I do not think this one would work on P-07/09

[David S.]

Is it normal to have a bit of light pre travel before the heavy DA pull starts?

[Mirolynmonbro]

Is it normal to have a bit of light pre travel before the heavy DA pull starts?If you're pulling from a decocked CZ then yes. It drops the hammer a little past half way

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[David S.]

Huh. Different.

[David S.]

Are there any good BUIS options that provide a "lower 1/3 co witness" for a RMR equipped P-07/9? The current suppressor height sights take up too much of the window's precious real estate. Prefer all black or FO.

GJM s0nspark

[Lon]

Are there any good BUIS options that provide a "lower 1/3 co witness" for a RMR equipped P-07/9? The current suppressor height sights take up too much of the window's precious real estate. Prefer all black or FO.

GJM s0nspark

Mine was one of the first 07’s done my Mark H at L&M. He used a set of Sig suppressor sights (he recut the front for a Sig blade) that have a lower 3rd. I really like it. I’d suggest reaching out to Dawson. He can make whatever you height you need. Plain, FO or tritium. He’s made custom heights for me before.

[s0nspark]

Mine was one of the first 07’s done my Mark H at L&M. He used a set of Sig suppressor sights (he recut the front for a Sig blade) that have a lower 3rd. I really like it. I’d suggest reaching out to Dawson. He can make whatever you height you need. Plain, FO or tritium. He’s made custom heights for me before.

Yep - mine were Dawsons fitted by Mark @ L&M... he can pretty much do whatever you like.

[miller_man]

Figured I'd put this here. Had to replace my trigger return spring - pretty sure it was a CGW one. You can read the details here https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?18899-Putting-in-the-work/page35 but I pretty much sprung the spring I guess :p. So if your trigger ever gets harder/farther back to drop the hammer and trigger is not springing back forward - it could be your trigger return spring is worn. Here you can see it is pretty out of shape - top is old spring, others are CGW and stock.

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[GuanoLoco]

A certain world class competitor told me that he thought the reduced power trigger springs (CGW, PD) were all trash that failed prematurely and weren’t worth it, and that he only used the full power factory trigger return springs (Tanfo, not sure on CZ).

[Clusterfrack]

A certain world class competitor told me that he thought the reduced power trigger springs (CGW, PD) were all trash that failed prematurely and weren’t worth it, and that he only used the full power factory trigger return springs (Tanfo, not sure on CZ).

Well, that sure hasn't been my experience. I have never broken a CGW trigger return spring. One of mine went for 25000 rounds of live fire and a year's worth of dryfire before I replaced it (unbroken).

[GuanoLoco]

Well, that sure hasn't been my experience. I have never broken a CGW trigger return spring. One of mine went for 25000 rounds of live fire and a year's worth of dryfire before I replaced it (unbroken).

I’ve for sure broken a few CGW RP springs in my Stock 2(s), not sure of round count but usually pretty high adding in dry fire. I haven’t left a factory spring in long enough to have an opinion yet.

[miller_man]

A certain world class competitor told me that he thought the reduced power trigger springs (CGW, PD) were all trash that failed prematurely and weren’t worth it, and that he only used the full power factory trigger return springs (Tanfo, not sure on CZ).

Well I have broke one of the factory ones, actually just when I was taking it out to put in the CGW. Think it is fairly known for the CZ factory trigger return springs to break.

[Evil_Ed]

I'm on try #3 with a P07, first time I had one I really didn't appreciate it; I was on a "carry cocked and locked only" kick and couldn't reliably hit the thumb safety, so I sold it. The second time I had one something new and shiny came along so I moved it without really doing anything with it...both times, I didn't really give it a fair shake. Just picked up another. I'm pretty happy with it. I think that other than the CGW love it's gotten, I'm going to need to find bigger sights for it...the factory ones work, but they're tiny and a little hard to pick up. I just read through the thread to find the Night Fision stuff...I'll probably be giving them a try.

One thing I noticed that I don't think I noticed before the handful of times I shot my other 07s...the slide stop heats up pretty quickly at compressed round counts! I put through 200 rounds Blazer 124gr, 14 rounds of 147gr HST, and 23 rounds of Fed Syntech 124gr inside of 30 minutes, and by around 175 or maybe 200, the slide stop was noticeably hot, not quite but not far from uncomfortably hot to come in contact with for any appreciable length of time. My hands are big enough so that the meaty part of my thumb/palm makes contact with the slide stop, and that really felt the heat.

[Mirolynmonbro]

I got the PMM JTTC for the P07/P09. I haven't seen pictures of it on a P07 so here they are. The lines don't match up like they do on the P09 and the length is a just a bit longer than the P09. I don't have a threaded barrel anymore so it's just sitting against it [emoji18]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190619/b2f103852a0bf521f986320ac3371a4c.jpg

[Hemiram]

I just got a CZ Custom shop P07 with a trigger job, a front fiber optic sight, and a half dozen mags, 4 15 round and 2 10 round. It's barely been fired from what it appears, and I put a box of WWB 115gr through it and so far, it's great. I'm going to do a sort of comparison to it's sort of clone bargain twin, a SAR CM9 G2, which is just a great gun, regardless of price. Obviously the P07 has a vastly superior trigger and on DA, it's about 40% less effort needed to fire that first shot, but it's not bad. SA on the P07 was measured at 3 pounds, 6 oz, and feels like it's less than half the CM9's required effort. My CM9 has the stock sights with some glow in the dark sight paint on them, and again, the CZ's sights, at least in daytime, are vastly better. Once I get a couple of hundred rounds through the CZ to sort of even out the wear a bit, I'm going to shoot the same ammo in them, side by side and compare accuracy and function. I have a lot of different brands and type of 9mm, so it will be interesting to see how the CZ compares to the SAR, which eats everything. So far, my not great shooting has made them look like they are pretty much identical. I'll try to shoot them from a rest and see what difference there is, if any at the 50 ft max at the range. I don't think it's going to be a huge difference, to be honest about it. P07:
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Sar CM9 G2:
39278

[Clusterfrack]

I finally got around to replacing my 0.156" tall Night Fision front sight with a Dawson 0.190" tritium front on my ProGrade P-07.

You may recall that the NF set shot 4-6" high at 25 yds, and even higher at 50 yds. After a very helpful chat with Dave at CGW, and confirmation using Dawson's sight calculator, I ordered a taller (0.190") front and retained the very nice Night Fision rear.

I'm quite happy with the results using a top-of-blade sight picture.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/352ea2a3e5810724eaa1c968821b7dec.jpg

[Redhat]

I finally got around to replacing my 0.156" tall Night Fision front sight with a Dawson 0.190" tritium front on my ProGrade P-07.

You may recall that the NF set shot 4-6" high at 25 yds, and even higher at 50 yds. After a very helpful chat with Dave at CGW, and confirmation using Dawson's sight calculator, I ordered a taller (0.190") front and retained the very nice Night Fision rear.

I'm quite happy with the results using a top-of-blade sight picture.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/352ea2a3e5810724eaa1c968821b7dec.jpg

I've been very pleased with mine but I did add Dawson plain rear with green FO front. Even with bi-focals I've been able to keep 50 rds in th B8 black from 7-20 yds...slow fire.

[BigD]

Lots of good info in this thread.

-Seems like most folks working on the P-07/09 are using, at a minimum, the CGW hammer. Does that make it a no-go for USPSA production? I know folks are shooting Production with them, but I’m favored to win Area 9 :eek: this year and one of those Stock 2 shooters is bound to complain when I beat them with a $400 plastic gun.

-is the CZ Custom comp hammer production legal?

-what type of trigger pull weight in both DA and SA can a moderately mechanically minded DIYer get with the factory hammer and just polishing and changing various springs?

Thanks.

[Clusterfrack]

BigD, The Production division rule changes make this a non issue.

21.6 - Exchange of minor External components: Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors, magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties, triggers, hammers, bushings, and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts.

A full CGW ProGrade Kit would be my recommendation, but you can do a lot with reduced power hammer and trigger springs, and extended firing pin & CGW FP roll pin.

You should be able to have a 7# DA and 2.5# SA, but you’ll want to use Fed primers.

https://cajungunworks.com/product/p-07-p-09-pro-grade-package/

[TheNewbie]

I will be going back to the P-07 for duty. It's not perfect, but it is the best all around production firearm for me. If the P250 was still made, I might look at it, but I don't want anymore guns for serious use that are out of production.


Personally, I prefer the P-07 as it comes. The stock version offers safety (DA/SA, thumb the hammer etc,), durability, and good accuracy.

[BigD]

BigD, The Production division rule changes make this a non issue.

21.6 - Exchange of minor External components: Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors, magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties, triggers, hammers, bushings, and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts.

A full CGW ProGrade Kit would be my recommendation, but you can do a lot with reduced power hammer and trigger springs, and extended firing pin & CGW FP roll pin.

You should be able to have a 7# DA and 2.5# SA, but you’ll want to use Fed primers.

https://cajungunworks.com/product/p-07-p-09-pro-grade-package/

Thank you. I wasn’t aware of the latest rule change. (Used to be no external mods that weren’t available as a factory option)

I appreciate it.

[Clusterfrack]

Thank you. I wasn’t aware of the latest rule change. (Used to be no external mods that weren’t available as a factory option)

I appreciate it.

Glad to help. CZC and CGW both do a good job on parts and tuning. But the trigger feel is different. CZC single action breaks can be made a bit lighter, and many people like that. I prefer CGW because I do not like surprise SA breaks. I like a distinct, crisp wall.

[Full17]

Interesting. Lots of good info in this thread.

[Squib308]

ran into an unusual problem. brand new P-09. was on 2nd box of ammo (winchester 115gr FMJ) and trigger suddenly went dead. noticed a piece of wire on the shooting table under the pistol. looks like the trigger bar spring popped out of the frame so the trigger bar isn't engaging the sear. rather unimpressive. brand new pistol crapped out. of the hundreds upon hundreds of pistols I've owned over the years, I've never seen a hard stop so early.

I've reached out to CZ-USA and am awaiting an RMA. it might be an easy fix but I'm thinking CZ needs to deal with this. Clusterfrack and the other CZ folk, is this a thing?

[Clusterfrack]

There's a channel under the trigger bar where the trigger bar spring rides. It's easy to put the spring back in its hole and replace it in the channel. I'm guessing that somehow the spring became dislodged. But in a properly functioning gun, I can't see how this would happen. I've never heard of this happening in a stock gun.

There's a 'mod' where the spring is bent down to reduce its stiffness. This reduces the DA trigger pull, but I worry that it could result in the the issue you describe. I've experimented with this mod in my practice P-07, and have 500 rounds through it with no issues.

If your gun did this and it was not modified in any way, I'd either inspect the trigger bar and make sure it's not defective, or sent it back to CZ and let them check it out.

[Squib308]

There's a channel under the trigger bar where the trigger bar spring rides. It's easy to put the spring back in its hole and replace it in the channel. I'm guessing that somehow the spring became dislodged. But in a properly functioning gun, I can't see how this would happen. I've never heard of this happening in a stock gun.

There's a 'mod' where the spring is bent down to reduce its stiffness. This reduces the DA trigger pull, but I worry that it could result in the the issue you describe. I've experimented with this mod in my practice P-07, and have 500 rounds through it with no issues.

If your gun did this and it was not modified in any way, I'd either inspect the trigger bar and make sure it's not defective, or sent it back to CZ and let them check it out.

thanks for the info

the trigger bar spring itself looks normal (appears identical to photos of the OEM spring). the trigger bar itself has a groove that I can visualize by looking through the mag well. however the small hole where the trigger bar spring inserts into the frame looks odd. it does not appear to accomodate the spring. my guess is that the spring was not properly pressed into the frame to keep it in place, and under recoil or trigger bar movement it allowed the spring to pop out. the overall design of the spring is similar to a beretta 92 with which i am more familiar, so as you point out it should stay put once it's in place.

i'm not going to shove the spring into the frame but rather will let CZ take a look at it.
thanks again

[Alpha Sierra]

thanks for the info

the trigger bar spring itself looks normal (appears identical to photos of the OEM spring). the trigger bar itself has a groove that I can visualize by looking through the mag well. however the small hole where the trigger bar spring inserts into the frame looks odd. it does not appear to accomodate the spring. my guess is that the spring was not properly pressed into the frame to keep it in place, and under recoil or trigger bar movement it allowed the spring to pop out. the overall design of the spring is similar to a beretta 92 with which i am more familiar, so as you point out it should stay put once it's in place.

i'm not going to shove the spring into the frame but rather will let CZ take a look at it.
thanks again

Pretty sure this isn't a "thing"

I never had it happen with my P-07 and it hasn't happened in close to the 6K rounds I put through my P-09 this year.

Personally, I wouldn't waste time and money shipping a gun back for what could easily be fixed at home by placing the spring in the hole it should be.

If the problem repeated, then I would send it back.

[Squib308]

Pretty sure this isn't a "thing"

I never had it happen with my P-07 and it hasn't happened in close to the 6K rounds I put through my P-09 this year.

Personally, I wouldn't waste time and money shipping a gun back for what could easily be fixed at home by placing the spring in the hole it should be.

If the problem repeated, then I would send it back.

does your trigger bar spring seat easily into the frame hole? for example on a 92 it just drops in. on this P-09 it does not seem to want to go in. it would require me to put a considerable amount of force.

there is no harm having CZ examine the pistol
i'm not a fan of dropping elbow grease to repair a brand new pistol
furthermore if it was build this crappy they should look the thing over

understood this is an n =1 and may invoke some emotions among those who love the P-07/P-09. that being said it does not inspire faith in their QC.

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OK I played around for a while and got the trigger bar spring to seat in place. looking at the current position i cannot imagine how it ever popped out. regardless i will now get it back to the range and ensure it stays in place. thankfully this is not a carry pistol (at least yet) so it's ok if takes a whlie to get this sorted out. thank you both again

[claymore504]

Never had or heard of the trigger bar spring popping out like that either. I would not write off your P07 because of this. I am sure CZ will sort it out. I have owned two P07s and still own one. I also own three P09s and never had this issue.

[claymore504]

I finally got around to replacing my 0.156" tall Night Fision front sight with a Dawson 0.190" tritium front on my ProGrade P-07.

You may recall that the NF set shot 4-6" high at 25 yds, and even higher at 50 yds. After a very helpful chat with Dave at CGW, and confirmation using Dawson's sight calculator, I ordered a taller (0.190") front and retained the very nice Night Fision rear.

I'm quite happy with the results using a top-of-blade sight picture.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190911/352ea2a3e5810724eaa1c968821b7dec.jpg

Sad to hear the NF sights do not work great for the P07. Is NF aware that they need to make the front sight taller? I currently run staock CZ night sights, but was planning on going Night Fision when these go dim.

[Clusterfrack]

Sad to hear the NF sights do not work great for the P07. Is NF aware that they need to make the front sight taller? I currently run staock CZ night sights, but was planning on going Night Fision when these go dim.

Yeah, that's a bummer. I contacted them, but they do not offer different front sight heights. I told them that theirs is way too short--at least in the two guns I have tried. However, I didn't get the sense that they were going to do anything about it. If people shoot at < 7yds, it doesn't matter.

The NF rear is truly excellent, and if I buy yet another P-07 I will try to order just the rear.

Here's what I'm running on my two P-07s:

NF Rear, 0.190" Dawson tritium front

Dawson Rear, 0.170" Dawson tritium front.

[Alpha Sierra]

does your trigger bar spring seat easily into the frame hole? for example on a 92 it just drops in. on this P-09 it does not seem to want to go in. it would require me to put a considerable amount of force.

there is no harm having CZ examine the pistol
i'm not a fan of dropping elbow grease to repair a brand new pistol
furthermore if it was build this crappy they should look the thing over

understood this is an n =1 and may invoke some emotions among those who love the P-07/P-09. that being said it does not inspire faith in their QC.

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OK I played around for a while and got the trigger bar spring to seat in place. looking at the current position i cannot imagine how it ever popped out. regardless i will now get it back to the range and ensure it stays in place. thankfully this is not a carry pistol (at least yet) so it's ok if takes a whlie to get this sorted out. thank you both again

No emotion involved. I'm simply telling you of my own experience with the type and what I would do in your place.

[Clusterfrack]

OK I played around for a while and got the trigger bar spring to seat in place. looking at the current position i cannot imagine how it ever popped out. regardless i will now get it back to the range and ensure it stays in place. thankfully this is not a carry pistol (at least yet) so it's ok if takes a whlie to get this sorted out. thank you both again

The spring should look like this when properly installed.

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[Squib308]

The spring should look like this when properly installed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191213/9fb9fe0a5276e16777d58a4434d48a64.jpg

yes thanks! thats exactly how it looks now re installed
wish I knew how it looked before it popped out!

[Trukinjp13]

yes thanks! thats exactly how it looks now re installed
wish I knew how it looked before it popped out!

Sounds to me like someone broke your gun down and improperly put it together. I have had a couple of these and no way that just falls out. I’m glad you put her back together and are going to continue on. They are great guns.


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[TheNewbie]

Qualified with a P-07 today for duty carry. They are not perfect, but even in stock form, they perfectly usable for duty carry.

[M2CattleCo]

Glad to help. CZC and CGW both do a good job on parts and tuning. But the trigger feel is different. CZC single action breaks can be made a bit lighter, and many people like that. I prefer CGW because I do not like surprise SA breaks. I like a distinct, crisp wall.


Interesting that a SA shooter would like a crisp break SA.

[Alpha Sierra]

Interesting that a SA shooter would like a crisp break SA.

I think you meant "Interesting that a DA shooter would like a crisp break SA". If so, I do as well.

[M2CattleCo]

Yep. Meant DA shooter.

I don't get along well with crisp triggers on a handgun at all.

[Alpha Sierra]

I don't get along well with crisp triggers on a handgun at all.

It's all in what we get used to I guess. I learned to shoot handguns with S&W K and N frames. The SA break in all of mine have been crisper than corn flakes.

One of the many reason why I'm liking the CZ P-10 is its hard wall/crisp break. Far better for me than the M&Ps and Glocks that I have had in the past.

[pew_pew]

I just got one today. Wasn’t planning on it but impulse bought one to play around with.

[Clusterfrack]

I've been playing around with hammer springs on my practice P-07. My carry gun uses a 15# hammer spring. Both guns have the CGW ProGrade kit. I have over 3k through that gun with no failures. It will fire every primer I have tried, including handholds with military 5.56 rifle primers. The trigger pulls are as follows:

Carry gun: 15# hammer spring, CGW heavy sear spring (0.020"):
DA: 8.5 (stock weight 13.2 lbs)
SA: 3.5 lbs (stock weight 3.3 - 5.5lbs)

Practice gun: 13# hammer spring, medium sear spring (0.018"):
DA: 6.75 lbs
SA: 3.25 lbs

The 13# hammer spring fires reloads with CCI primers, and unsurprisingly Fed HST works also. My test rounds with military 5.56 rifle primers fired in SA, but failed to fire in DA on the first strike and fired on the 2nd strike. The trigger pull on this gun truly excellent--very similar to my practice Shadow2 with an 11# hammer spring.

I'm close to finishing a 2000 round challenge (no cleaning or lubrication) with the practice gun, and will post in that thread when it's complete.

[David S.]

My P-09's are set the same as CF's "Carry Gun" above. I'm a fairly big guy so I carried that beast all last year, including a TX summer, with no problem.

I have a PX4C (with Langdon goodness) as my compact alternative, because I already had it, and I'm not willing to drop another $1200 into an upgraded P-07 at this point. I still believe my PX4's have better triggers than either of my Cajunized P-09's, so I'm a bit more consistent with the PX4, but we're splitting hairs. My ammo uses CCI and Federal primers so I may have to try that 13# spring.

5 or 6 thousand rounds through the two P-09's without a hiccup.

No bad choices between these two models.

[Hemiram]

My CZ Custom P07 has a great trigger, and I shoot it about as well as anything I have at this point, which is OK at best. A friend has a stock one and the difference in the trigger, both SA and DA is huge. Along with the fiber optic and night sights mine has, I would have to say I got a real bargain at $600 with not 3 but 5 mags! It was barely shot on top of it. I wondered when I bought it online, why the original owner would sell it. That's still a mystery. My friend offered his stock one and $400 to trade. I passed.

Some of my best guns bought on auction sites were "Why is it for sale, and so cheap?". So far, I haven't been burned yet, all the "great deal" guns have been great.

[Clusterfrack]

TLR-8GA on a Prograde P-07. Waiting on an AIWB holster, but I’m liking it. Activation is easy with support side thumb or trigger finger if holding SHO.

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[AMC]

TLR-8GA on a Prograde P-07. Waiting on an AIWB holster, but I’m liking it. Activation is easy with support side thumb or trigger finger if holding SHO.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200421/804530605d6245bf1600f3ab920647e7.jpg

I've been a big fan of the TLR-7A series lights myself, until we started doing a lot of shooting with them out of Safariland duty holsters. Activation on the draw has been tricky, and seriously slows down the first shot out of the holster. Using it in intermittent mode is downright painful while shooting. I'm interested in your opinion because I know you're an accomplished shooter. Have you done a lot of shooting with this light, or been able to work activation on the draw? And how freakishly long are your thumbs?

[LockedBreech]

TLR-8GA on a Prograde P-07. Waiting on an AIWB holster, but I’m liking it. Activation is easy with support side thumb or trigger finger if holding SHO.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200421/804530605d6245bf1600f3ab920647e7.jpg


That whole setup looks dynamite.

[Clusterfrack]

I've been a big fan of the TLR-7A series lights myself, until we started doing a lot of shooting with them out of Safariland duty holsters. Activation on the draw has been tricky, and seriously slows down the first shot out of the holster. Using it in intermittent mode is downright painful while shooting. I'm interested in your opinion because I know you're an accomplished shooter. Have you done a lot of shooting with this light, or been able to work activation on the draw? And how freakishly long are your thumbs?


I only have one holster for the P-07/TLR-8, a Legacy Axion (https://legacyfirearmsco.com/best-competition-holster/) on a battle belt set up for some training I'm helping with (assuming we are able to do that in June). I don't find the activation to slow the draw much at all. My thumbs aren't long. I have smedium hands, and run the P-07 with the small backstrap. The High switch works best for me--I hit it with the tip of my support side thumb when my hands come together, or with the tip of my trigger finger when I'm shooting SHO or WHO.

You raise a great question about recoil and intermittent activation. I haven't done much shooting with it, and none in intermittent mode. I can see how shooting in intermittent mode could be an issue in recoil. I'll do some testing this week and get back to you about recoil and draw times.

I'll have two JMCKs when Tony gets the moulds for this gun/light combo, and can do a direct comparison with my CCW setup when that happens.

[oregon45]

Are there still concerns about firing pin damage from heavy dry firing with the P07/09?

[Clusterfrack]

Are there still concerns about firing pin damage from heavy dry firing with the P07/09?

The guns are not designed to be dryfired without protection of the FP. "Unprotected" dryfire smashes the firing pin into the FP retaining roll pin, causing damage to the roll pin. Eventually, this can cause a malfunction where the FP does not move freely. I insert a half a foam earplug between the hammer and firing pin to protect the FP roll pin from peening. I also installed a CGW tempered steel roll pin (https:jjcajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/) that resists damage.

[oregon45]

The guns are not designed to be dryfired without protection of the FP. "Unprotected" dryfire smashes the firing pin into the FP retaining roll pin, causing damage to the roll pin. Eventually, this can cause a malfunction where the FP does not move freely. I insert a half a foam earplug between the hammer and firing pin to protect the FP roll pin from peening. I also installed a CGW tempered steel roll pin (https:jjcajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/) that resists damage.

Thanks CF; I used a foam earplug half with the last P09 that I owned, (an early 2010s model), but was wondering if current models had been changed at all to make that unnecessary.

[claymore504]

The guns are not designed to be dryfired without protection of the FP. "Unprotected" dryfire smashes the firing pin into the FP retaining roll pin, causing damage to the roll pin. Eventually, this can cause a malfunction where the FP does not move freely. I insert a half a foam earplug between the hammer and firing pin to protect the FP roll pin from peening. I also installed a CGW tempered steel roll pin (https:jjcajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/) that resists damage.

That is the first thing I install at a minimum when I get a used CZ handgun. I got a P09 on trade last year and when I took out the old one, it was very damaged. Same with a 75B Omega I got in trade a few years back.

[claymore504]

I only have one holster for the P-07/TLR-8, a Legacy Axion (https://legacyfirearmsco.com/best-competition-holster/) on a battle belt set up for some training I'm helping with (assuming we are able to do that in June). I don't find the activation to slow the draw much at all. My thumbs aren't long. I have smedium hands, and run the P-07 with the small backstrap. The High switch works best for me--I hit it with the tip of my support side thumb when my hands come together, or with the tip of my trigger finger when I'm shooting SHO or WHO.

You raise a great question about recoil and intermittent activation. I haven't done much shooting with it, and none in intermittent mode. I can see how shooting in intermittent mode could be an issue in recoil. I'll do some testing this week and get back to you about recoil and draw times.

I'll have two JMCKs when Tony gets the moulds for this gun/light combo, and can do a direct comparison with my CCW setup when that happens.

The TLR-8 looks like it fits good on the P07. I have to operate my PL-Mini on my P07 the same way you do and it works good for me as well. I might have to give the TLR-8 a look. I really like Streamlight and have had excellent customer service with them as well. My PL-Mini has been excellent as well though.

[Clusterfrack]

I've been a big fan of the TLR-7A series lights myself, until we started doing a lot of shooting with them out of Safariland duty holsters. Activation on the draw has been tricky, and seriously slows down the first shot out of the holster. Using it in intermittent mode is downright painful while shooting. I'm interested in your opinion because I know you're an accomplished shooter. Have you done a lot of shooting with this light, or been able to work activation on the draw? And how freakishly long are your thumbs?

At the range now. I played with the P07 w/TLR8, and here’s what I found: activating the light/laser added about 0.2s to my draw. However, it’s hard to imagine a case where I would fire right away after activation. Either it’s a shoot decision, or I’ll have my light on and gun at ready.

Shooting multiple shots with the button held in momentary was a little annoying to the thumb, but totally doable. It felt like a ‘gas pedal’ on an open gun.

Shooting SHO with the daylight visible green laser makes hard shots easy. Here’s a pair at 20yds.

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[David S.]

I use an o-ring instead of a foam earplug. I find foamies distracting. Downside is it flies out occasionally and they’re hard to find on our dark floor. I’m not sure how much dry fire the roll pin will take before failing, but I don’t worry about protecting it in classes or if I can’t find it for dry practice. Couple hundred unprotected dry strikes with no issues.

I only do this with my dedicated practice gun, not my carry gun.

[David S.]

I dropped a 11.5# hammer spring into my training P-09 to test it out (it also has the full CGW upgrade kit). CGW recommends not dropping below 15# forty duty/carry and 13# for gamer/plinker guns. I read some folks have had success with the 11.5#, so I thought I’d give it a go.

150ish rounds of Fenix 147 through it: all slow fire at 25 yard B-8’s. Too soon to tell, but so far, so good. (Flawless. ;) ) Trigger feel is significantly improved.

[Clusterfrack]

13# is as low as I’ve gone for a carry P-07. I’ve shot 1000’s of CCI reloads with that spring and haven’t had light strikes. It takes 1-2 strikes to fire a CCI 41 mil rifle primer while a 15# will fire those on the first strike all the time.

[Clusterfrack]

My JMCK holsters for CZ P-07 with TLR-8ga arrived yesterday. The fit, function, quality, and design are superb. I actually think the AIWB Wing Claw 2.5 light bearing holster is more comfortable, and draws better than my regular AIWB 2.5. I compared the fit and function to another major vendor’s Kydex holster, and the JMCKs are superior in every way, but not more expensive. Note the rounded corners, and detailed fitting.

I tried a few one-shot draws from AIWB, and already think this is my new EDC. Happy to answer questions.

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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200527/e385de476beddfc8922d26263665ff6a.jpg OWB 2
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[holmes168]

Guess I’m picking up right where I left off over a year ago. Glad to see the P-07 is still getting some love.
Never could decide which I liked better between it and a Glock 19!

[Clusterfrack]

Guess I’m picking up right where I left off over a year ago. Glad to see the P-07 is still getting some love.
Never could decide which I liked better between it and a Glock 19!

Last weekend I co-taught a defensive handgun class, which ended with a 100 yd red dot shot (my partner runs a RDS on his G17) on an A-zone size steel at 100 yds. Students could use a barrel for support. I shot it offhand with irons with my P-07, under some significant pressure to perform :D. I don’t think I would have tried that with a G19.

[holmes168]

Guess this is a good as place as any- I had life get in the way a bit around a year ago. Mainly swamped with more work than ever imagined. Now- finally freed up- I have the time to rebuild my shooting skills- and have the opportunity to go in one system. The P-07/P-09 versus G-19/G-17 is where I left off a year ago.
My major worry- availability of CZ accessories- mainly magazines and right now just finding the pistols. Plus- a year ago- the P-series need to the extra $$ spent on Cajun Gun Works items to dramatically improve the pistol.

I have owned all these pistols and there is no distinguishing between how I shoot either of them. I like the hammer option on the CZ but Glocks carries AIWB are also fine.

Hoping to mainly find out how hard it is to find CZ accessories and do they need the CGW upgrades (guess I need to make sure CGW is still there). I know GuanoLoco was switching to CZ but he seems to have stopped posting a bit ago.

[Clusterfrack]

holmes168, here are a few thoughts. Hopefully they will be helpful.

If the question is what gun, Glock 19 is probably the answer. I could be happy carrying a G19 with a Gadget.

I have come to like the P-07 better for a few reasons. First, I compete with Shadow2s, so the P07 feels very natural in my hands. The index is very similar. I also like the TDA action for carry for reasons that have been discussed at length here. The P07 is simple and well designed. It’s easy to detail strip. It’s the Glock of TDAs. Lastly, with a ProGrade kit, I can shoot the P07 measurably better than a stock G19.

Mags (P10c) and parts are easily found, and are cheap. The Prograde kit isn’t cheap, and is not a must. However, it makes a great gun into a truly outstanding one. Given the modest price of a P07, an additional $250 might not be that bad?

[45dotACP]

I just rented a P07 at the local range...and after shooting it a bit, I've found it to be superior to the G19 for me. The unmodified gun, when being used with ammo it likes, is stupidly accurate. The stock trigger is certainly not as good as a LTT tuned up 92G...but it was stock. And despite that, it was an easy gun to control, and easy to shoot very accurately with the stock sights (which weren't great).

I think the DA first shot has some huge benefits, and many times I've found I get a better first shot from a TDA than I do from my 1911s even. If I draw from a holster ten times at the same speed (say 1.1 seconds), I'll have one or two fliers from my 1911. When I did the same with my 92G there wasn't a single flier in 17 rounds.

So uh....is the CGW kit something you can install DIY or is it a gunsmith thing?

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[David S.]

The kit can be done by yourself with a couple of punches. I understand that CGW does some additional polishing if they install it. Since I use Federal And Fenix ammo (light primers too, I think), I’m biased towards lighter Competition Only springs for everything.

I have about 500 *flawless* rounds through a P-09 with CGW kit and their 11.5# hammer spring.

[Clusterfrack]

Yes, I installed the Prograde kits in my P-07s. There are videos, and the armorers manual is a help as well.

If you think a detail strip on a Glock is super easy, this should be doable for you. If you think it’s challenging, I recommend having CGW do it. Or if you don’t like doing stuff like this. Their charge for the install is reasonable, and you can buy the gun from them.

[45dotACP]

I'm liking this more and more then.

CGW parts are ordered.

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[rca90gsx]

.74 from AIWB is smoking fast! Nice work! Great looking P07 setup.


My JMCK holsters for CZ P-07 with TLR-8ga arrived yesterday. The fit, function, quality, and design are superb. I actually think the AIWB Wing Claw 2.5 light bearing holster is more comfortable, and draws better than my regular AIWB 2.5. I compared the fit and function to another major vendor’s Kydex holster, and the JMCKs are superior in every way, but not more expensive. Note the rounded corners, and detailed fitting.

I tried a few one-shot draws from AIWB, and already think this is my new EDC. Happy to answer questions.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200527/c3ae035af4dbb057f35b6f7be023d51a.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200527/079a580c1a13cd785a5b186a5ddab272.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200527/e385de476beddfc8922d26263665ff6a.jpg OWB 2
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200527/5f95c40e673cb0a5e5741dda83503e3b.jpg

[Clusterfrack]

The kit can be done by yourself with a couple of punches. I understand that CGW does some additional polishing if they install it. Since I use Federal And Fenix ammo (light primers too, I think), I’m biased towards lighter Competition Only springs for everything.

I have about 500 *flawless* rounds through a P-09 with CGW kit and their 11.5# hammer spring.

Nice. I’ve settled on the 13# hammer spring because it gives a 6.75lb DA and fires every primer I’ve tried, and will fire military rifle primers on the 1st or 2nd strike.

[claymore504]

I just rented a P07 at the local range...and after shooting it a bit, I've found it to be superior to the G19 for me. The unmodified gun, when being used with ammo it likes, is stupidly accurate. The stock trigger is certainly not as good as a LTT tuned up 92G...but it was stock. And despite that, it was an easy gun to control, and easy to shoot very accurately with the stock sights (which weren't great).

I think the DA first shot has some huge benefits, and many times I've found I get a better first shot from a TDA than I do from my 1911s even. If I draw from a holster ten times at the same speed (say 1.1 seconds), I'll have one or two fliers from my 1911. When I did the same with my 92G there wasn't a single flier in 17 rounds.

So uh....is the CGW kit something you can install DIY or is it a gunsmith thing?

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The CGW kit is DIY capable for sure. The one thing you need to plan out correctly is the DA roller. CGW will help you get the size you need based on the size of the stock one in your gun.

[Clusterfrack]

The CGW kit is DIY capable for sure. The one thing you need to plan out correctly is the DA roller. CGW will help you get the size you need based on the size of the stock one in your gun.

Right. I forgot to mention that. The 0.220” CGW roller was the right one on both of my guns.

I like the stainless guiderod and 15# flat wire recoil spring.

The tool steel sear pin is a good addition as well.

[holmes168]

Heading to the range tonight - 3 guns to be rented!
The P-07, P365 and a G-19 are on the docket. Really like the P-07 and G-19, but as I’m starting my pistol life over want to make sure I get a gun that fits my small hands a bit better.

Can’t wait- and thanks for all the input on this thread!

[claymore504]

Heading to the range tonight - 3 guns to be rented!
The P-07, P365 and a G-19 are on the docket. Really like the P-07 and G-19, but as I’m starting my pistol life over want to make sure I get a gun that fits my small hands a bit better.

Can’t wait- and thanks for all the input on this thread!

Enjoy giving those three a try. I have smallish hands as well and Glock just does not work for me. I tried to make it work for many years and finally gave up. For striker guns the FNS took the place of my Glocks for years. Then I went to the P320 with small grip frames. The M&P M2.0 with small palm swell works excellent for me as well. Then when I went DA/SA only I found the P07 & P09 and have been very happy. I run the small backstraps on both.

[Clusterfrack]

Here’s a list of quality tools for working on the P-07, and a few random parts:

Stanley-Proto J48332 3/32-Inch Super-Duty Punch
http://a.co/gKTJoil

Stanley-Proto J48018 1/8-Inch Super-Duty Punch
http://a.co/1AmUbbI

Mayhew Pro 21232 2mm Metric Punch
http://a.co/cocuTde

Red Iron Tactical Roll Pin Starter Punch Set Hollow End Stainless Steel
http://a.co/371ZtXK

Pilot ball end punch
https://www.amazon.com/Mayhew-Pro-25017-Pilot-Punch/dp/B008M22FII

Tool for installation of decocker spring. (This makes an annoying step easy)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016A8I8HC/

TractionGrips grip tape:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01312ZRJ2/

You want spare CGW FP Roll Pins
https://cajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/

The new CGW tool steel sear pin seems to make for a more even wear pattern on the sear/hammer surfaces.
https://cajungunworks.com/product/sear-pin-p-07-p-09/

Armorers Manual, very helpful.
https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/19628_Cz-P07p09-Armorers-Manual

[Moylan]

You want spare CGW FP Roll Pins
https://cajungunworks.com/product/61100-tempered-spring-steel-firing-pin-retaining-pin/

I have replaced my stock P07 fp retaining pins with CGW. Do you have an estimate on how often you replace your cgw roll pin? I'm sorry if I missed this somewhere in the thread. Thank you!

[Clusterfrack]

Moylan, good question. I protect the pin during dryfire using an o-ring or half an earplug, so it lasts pretty much forever. I put in a new one every time I strip the upper.

You can check the pin for severe damage by making sure the small punch still fits through it. The pin will collapse if it gets really buggered.

[Moylan]

Moylan, good question. I protect the pin during dryfire using an o-ring or half an earplug, so it lasts pretty much forever. I put in a new one every time I strip the upper.

You can check the pin for severe damage by making sure the small punch still fits through it. The pin will collapse if it gets really buggered.

Thanks! I also protect the pin--I hope I'm protecting it--by always using azoom snap caps when I dry fire. The small punch point is a great tip. Thanks again.

[45dotACP]

Got the gun. Also installed a CGW kit with a 15lb spring. All told, the DA is right about what CF said. 8.5 DA and 3.5lb SA.

This gun is awesome. No, it isn't better than a 92G LTT full sized, but with ammo it likes, it is about as good. The SA trigger with the CGW kit is really good. I may even try the 13lb hammer spring.

I've been looking for a DA/SA gun in the Glock 19 size for a bit now, and I was waffling on this or the PX4CC. Basically I flipped a coin. Neither uses the same mags as their full sized predecessor the CZ-75 or Beretta 92 and the Beretta 92 compact....isn't. This one seemed a bit slimmer, and of the two rentals, I shot it better

Now to get a holster and extra mags....if there were any extra frigging mags available.

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[Clusterfrack]

You can use 17 round CZ mags in the P-07.

[backtrail540]

...if there were any extra frigging mags available.

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https://gregcotellc.com/cart/cz-factory-mecgar-actmag-c-173/

[45dotACP]

You can use 17 round CZ mags in the P-07.For the CZ-75?

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[Clusterfrack]

For the CZ-75?

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My Shadow2 MecGar 17 round mags work perfectly. With a +5 extension and Grams spring and follower, it feeds well but won’t lock back on empty.

[David S.]

IME, the trigger is never going to get LTT good, but it does get very good. I think the CGW kit, a light polish, generous lube and a 11.5 or 13# spring go a long way.

Greg Cote is GTG for mags.

[45dotACP]

Ordered. I definitely don't need the trigger to be LTT level, and even as is, the SA trigger is beyond what I expected. With the grip texture as is, I'm not sure that I'll need the talon tape and I might get the flitz and some Q tips if I get really bored.

Do we like CGW for the sights too? I'm looking hard at the fiber front and blacked out rear.

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[Redhat]

Ordered. I definitely don't need the trigger to be LTT level, and even as is, the SA trigger is beyond what I expected. With the grip texture as is, I'm not sure that I'll need the talon tape and I might get the flitz and some Q tips if I get really bored.

Do we like CGW for the sights too? I'm looking hard at the fiber front and blacked out rear.

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I have Dawson Precision sights on mine and like 'em a lot. Worth a look.

[Clusterfrack]

Neither of my guns shot POA at 20 yds with standard CGW/Dawson or Night Fision. The Night Fision rear is now paired with a 0.190” Dawson tritium front, and the Dawson rear is paired with a 0.170”. They now are spot on at 15-25 yds.

[45dotACP]

I might just be changing my tune on this gun's trigger. It responded REALLY well to the CGW pro kit, some grease and some dry fire.

It's probably still being broken in so I can't say for sure, but at this rate it could very easily be a better trigger than my Berettas. I'm getting DA trigger pulls (measured by my somewhat crappy spring scale) at 7.5lbs and SA at 2.75lbs (!!!) with the 15lb spring.

I'm extremely excited to get this gun to the range for some rapid fire drills.

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[Clusterfrack]

... at this rate it could very easily be a better trigger than my Berettas.

I didn’t want to comment until you had had a chance to work with it for a while. I prefer my Prograde P-07 with 13# spring to any Beretta I have tried. All good, but just my preference.

[Clusterfrack]

When you install the CGW trigger return spring and reduce the weight of the hammer spring, the SA pull gets lighter. If you want to increase the SA pull weight, the medium or heavy sear springs will do the trick, without sacrificing crispness. Both of my Prograde guns have SA pulls on the low end of the OEM published weight (3.3 - 5.5lbs).


I might just be changing my tune on this gun's trigger. It responded REALLY well to the CGW pro kit, some grease and some dry fire.

It's probably still being broken in so I can't say for sure, but at this rate it could very easily be a better trigger than my Berettas. I'm getting DA trigger pulls (measured by my somewhat crappy spring scale) at 7.5lbs and SA at 2.75lbs (!!!) with the 15lb spring.

[BJV]

A rear sight option (paired with a Dawson fiber optic front) that I liked on the P07 and P01 is the CZ Custom HTAC Serrated Black:

https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/front-and-rear-sights/cz-rear-sights-all/p07-p09-rear-sights/h-tac-p07-p09-tactical-rear-sight-black.html


Regarding the Cajun action components, the callout made about the DA roller is spot on in my experience, and was the hardest thing for me to get right when doing it myself. If you have the wrong one, you can get a really wonky DA pull.

Also, be wary of going too light on the sear spring or you may have hammer follow issues. I had this with a Cajun Pro-Grade package after a few hundred rounds and had to switch to a stiffer sear spring.

[45dotACP]

Got a JMCK 2.5 Appendix holster. When I say this combo is stupidly easy to conceal, I'm not kidding. Under anything except a BJJ rash guard or spandex shirt, it just disappears. Even relatively close fitting T shirts.

As for comfort?

Well I wore it whole weekend, which included driving 6 hours to MN, doing new rotors and brake pads on all 4 wheels of my brothers car, then working with a stump grinder for 10 hours, then having an epic nerf battle with my 8 and 5 year old nephews, and driving 6 hours home. Didn't bother me.

As a much lower profile TDA adjunct to my LTT92, I think the gun is phenomenal. I still think it doesn't shoot as good as the full sized Beretta, but I'd choose it over a Glock 19 thus far. We will see how it looks reliability wise.

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[pooty]

CZ P-07 = Mind Blown
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0xeJpnrWC4XWblEk/giphy.gif




1. anyone here want a gen1 P07 Duty lanyard loop? I'll trade you for a normal flush "Flat Hammer Spring Plug P-07".
Feels like a waste to dremel a perfectly good part.

2. Looking at getting the factory 21 rounders (19 w +2 plastic ext), will these work reliably in my P07? Are they 'hard use'? at least harder use than the +2 Glock factory extensions that fall off when bumped. Was looking at them +5 aluminum extensions but buying the 21s, I could recoup by selling off my standard capacity magazines, but i'd only do that if the hi caps were reliable.

https://i.imgur.com/dBAhcn0.jpg

[jamesgarciahm]

Any CZ holster suggestions?

[David S.]

After a several years of waffling between guns, I've settled on the P-07/09.

I got a good deal on my first P-07 with a CGW Pro Kit installed and Dawson FO sights installed. I look forward to working with it

[David S.]

2. Looking at getting the factory 21 rounders (19 w +2 plastic ext), will these work reliably in my P07? Are they 'hard use'? at least harder use than the +2 Glock factory extensions that fall off when bumped. Was looking at them +5 aluminum extensions but buying the 21s, I could recoup by selling off my standard capacity magazines, but i'd only do that if the hi caps were reliable.

The 19/21 round mags are for the taller P-09, so they'll definitely stick out the bottom the P-07.

Also,

10/12 - Started working on refacing slide stop to improve alide release. Realize P-07 mags are working properly, P-09 mags are subject to over-insertion, impeding auto-forward and easy slide release.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

2. Looking at getting the factory 21 rounders (19 w +2 plastic ext), will these work reliably in my P07? Are they 'hard use'? at least harder use than the +2 Glock factory extensions that fall off when bumped. Was looking at them +5 aluminum extensions but buying the 21s, I could recoup by selling off my standard capacity magazines, but i'd only do that if the hi caps were reliable.



I used a P07 for a bit in CO and a 3 gun match (before upgrading to a P09 for competition), using P09 mags with Springer Precision extensions (hold 22-23rds). I also generally use P09 mags indiscriminately when practicing with the P07. They are definitely reliable and I havent caused any harm from agressively seating the longer mag. It seems to me the only part that could be harmed is the ejector which is like $9?


Any CZ holster suggestions?

Jmcustomkydex.com

[claymore504]

Any CZ holster suggestions?

Take a look at Black Rhino Concealment. They have an excellent choice of combos when it comes to if you want to run a light, optic, supressor height sights and/or threaded barrel.

[snow white]

Any CZ holster suggestions?

Steadfast holsters.

[pooty]

Take a look at Black Rhino Concealment. They have an excellent choice of combos when it comes to if you want to run a light, optic, supressor height sights and/or threaded barrel.

which one are you using? i couldn't find pics on their site

[45dotACP]

Any CZ holster suggestions?JM custom kydex.

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[claymore504]

which one are you using? i couldn't find pics on their site

I am using their OWB holsters. The TCS to be exact.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I am using their OWB holsters. The TCS to be exact.

I am looking at their holsters and considering a TCS for a P09 w/ TLR8. I see that it is primarily an owb holster but "includes hardware for use as IWB". I have an OWB/IWB holster from Lag Tactical that actually works decently in both modes. Have you tried using the TCS as an IWB and how does it compare to a purpose built IWB holster?

[TicTacticalTimmy]

2. Looking at getting the factory 21 rounders (19 w +2 plastic ext), will these work reliably in my P07? Are they 'hard use'? at least harder use than the +2 Glock factory extensions that fall off when bumped. Was looking at them +5 aluminum extensions but buying the 21s, I could recoup by selling off my standard capacity magazines, but i'd only do that if the hi caps were reliable.




I used a P07 for a bit in CO and a 3 gun match (before upgrading to a P09 for competition), using P09 mags with Springer Precision extensions (hold 22-23rds). I also generally use P09 mags indiscriminately when practicing with the P07. They are definitely reliable and I havent caused any harm from agressively seating the longer mag. It seems to me the only part that could be harmed is the ejector which is like $9?




A combination of boredom and curiosity after reading the P320 bent ejector thread led me to do some further experimentation on over-insertion. Here is what I did and found. Note that these were done with a 140mm mag (p-09 with springer precision baseplates) which holds 22 rounds:

1. First i removed the slide and slammed an empty 140mm mag into my p-07. I found that during a normal insertion with i-need-you-to-get-back-to-going-bang-now force, the magazine does not ever contact the ejector. However, by slamming it REALLY hard I could get the magazine to overshoot the mag catch slightly and push up on the ejector. this could be remedied by pulling down on the magazine a bit so it seated in the mag catch, at which point the ejector would spring back into its normal position. I did this a handful of times, very aggressively, and didn't notice any type of wear on the mag or ejector.

2. Next I replaced the slide, and did the same thing with the slide closed, with the 140mm mag loaded to 21rds (fully loaded to 22 there is some resistance when racking the p-07 when the mag is seated with normal pressure). I could not induce anything unusual seating the mags aggressively from a normal reload position. Then I adjusted my hand position to gain maximal leverage (not a natural reloading position, gun very low on body and magwell over 90 degrees to left), and really slammed a loaded mag in as hard as I could. I found that when doing this, it was possible to actually slam the mag so hard it pushed up on the ejector, which in turn pushed the slide slightly out of battery. Unlike in the no-slide experiment, this time the recoil spring pushed the slide forward, returning the ejector to its normal position instantly. The gun could now be loaded and fired normally.

3. Next, I did the same with the slide open, using the 140mm mag fully loaded to 22rds. Using maximal force I was able to get the fully loaded mag to push up on the ejector. This did not prevent the slide from releasing normally and chambering around using the slide release.

4. After doing the above, i field stripped and examined for any unusual wear. I didn't find any, and the gun loads, ejects, etc. normally. Unsurprisingly there are some not-insignificant marks on the casings from being slammed into the ejector.

In conclusion, I think the CZ P series is pretty much immune to parts breakage or stoppages from over-insertion of magazines. I really appreciate the inexpensive and easily replaced small parts used in this pistol. They make it easy to work on and also fun to experiment on because you don't need to worry about making an expensive mistake, as you would on certain other popular handguns. Pretty much the only part besides the serialized frame that would be a bitch to replace if damaged, would be the steel frame inserts. And I'm not sure how you would damage those.

[pooty]

This gun fits into an RCS Perun TLR-1 pretty good... it doesn't lock in, but when inverted the gun won't fall out unless shaken.

https://i.imgur.com/jM5DAHx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1Y7RxxN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3Xf6481.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BS8vl51.jpg

[Clusterfrack]

I did a full detail strip of one of my P-07s today. It has high mileage AIWB, and a lot of sweat got in it. I could see corrosion at the sear pin, so I figured it was time to take a look in there. What I found: not much. Small amounts of surface corrosion could be found pretty much throughout the gun, even on the mag catch plunger pin. But it was all easily removed with MPro-7

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200909/c6b339e02c7b01e53c916825ee60f1cb.jpg

[David S.]

I have about 500 *flawless* rounds through a P-09 with CGW kit and their 11.5# hammer spring.

Update. I now have a couple thousand rounds of Fenix 147g with the 11.5#. It's a very nice trigger pull, but I've now had three light strikes and one stovepipe. All three light strikes discharged on the second or third trigger pull. I'll be going back to the 13# spring.

[Clusterfrack]

Update. I now have a couple thousand rounds of Fenix 147g with the 11.5#. It's a very nice trigger pull, but I've now had three light strikes and one stovepipe. All three light strikes discharged on the second or third trigger pull. I'll be going back to the 13# spring.

Agree. For defensive use, 13# seems to be the bare minimum, and 15# is a safe choice. In my ProGrade guns:
-13# will fire every pistol primer I've tried, and will fire CCI #41 military rifle primers on the 1st or 2nd strike.
-15# will fire everything, including CCI #41's on the 1st strike.

That's good info about the stovepipe--hammer spring rate also affects slide velocity. Ejection is 9'+ with 13# hammer and 15# recoil springs in one of my guns. I'm going to swap in the 18# recoil spring (https://cajungunworks.com/product/15rs-recoil-spring-for-p-0709/?attribute_pound=18%23+Yellow), more similar to the 20# OEM RSA. Link to CGW's page (https://cajungunworks.com/how-to-select-the-proper-recoil-spring/) on this.

[TheNewbie]

Anyone have a good thumb break OWB holster for the P-07?

[cheby]

Agree. For defensive use, 13# seems to be the bare minimum, and 15# is a safe choice. In my ProGrade guns:
-13# will fire every pistol primer I've tried, and will fire CCI #41 military rifle primers on the 1st or 2nd strike.
-15# will fire everything, including CCI #41's on the 1st strike.

That's good info about the stovepipe--hammer spring rate also affects slide velocity. Ejection is 9'+ with 13# hammer and 15# recoil springs in one of my guns. I'm going to swap in the 18# recoil spring (https://cajungunworks.com/product/15rs-recoil-spring-for-p-0709/?attribute_pound=18%23+Yellow), more similar to the 20# OEM RSA. Link to CGW's page (https://cajungunworks.com/how-to-select-the-proper-recoil-spring/) on this.
My experience is with P01. I also found that a 15# main spring is the minimum I'd use even with the extended FP.

[David S.]

Anyone have a good thumb break OWB holster for the P-07?

Willing to do custom or are you limiting to a factory holster?

[TheNewbie]

Willing to do custom or are you limiting to a factory holster?

I’m open for either.

I mainly want it for if I have to do plain clothes work, which is almost never, or if I need some extra retention for whatever reason.

My duty holster is an ALS, so the thumb break will be similar enough for the intended purpose. Maybe I should put my flame suit on for the following. Last time I hiked I used a nylon holster, Eagle something, to carry my P-07. It worked surprisingly well. Even when I had to deploy my gun upon encountering a mountain lion in the almost pitch dark.

[Clusterfrack]

... when I had to deploy my gun upon encountering a mountain lion in the almost pitch dark.

Please post details on the Cougar Thread!


Let’s talk about cougars, mountain lions, catamounts, and pumas.

[TheNewbie]

Please post details on the Cougar Thread!

I have......I think anyway. lol

The only thing I didn’t include was the type of holster. It was one of those with an adjustable strap and the extra mag carrier on the holster. Total crap right? Nope! Not for me and it’s intended purpose. The strap can be setup where it stops hammer movement, allows for a easy release, easy reholster and snap up. Don’t get me wrong, there are better options for most people, but I’ll continue to use mine in that specific role because it’s comfortable and efficient enough.

It’s kind of the one area of guns stuff I match up beat of my own drum. :p

Unless using the P-07 as a duty gun qualifies as that too.

[Clusterfrack]

My brother and I hiked the Guadalupe Mountains in December 2019. We have hiked the park many times, but we chose a new trail to try during this visit. Of course we got a late start to the day, and we chose what I believe to be my hardest hike yet. The trail is Bear Canyon and it is one of the ways to reach hunter peak. It is very steep and is a real ass kicker, but still enjoyable and offers nice views.

After reaching the top we spent some time relaxing and tooling around.

During the hike we saw ZERO other people. A few birds and an elk, but not much.

As we made our descent darkness began to set in. I put a chem light on my pack so my brother could see me, and both busted out our flashlights. We were both exhausted, and I was day dreaming as we shuffled along. Around this time we came to a bend in the trail, an area that would be a waterfall when rain occurs. I had my head in the clouds when my brother shouted at me, and I noticed something leap from the trail to the top of the ridge above the "dry waterfall". Out of pure instinct I drew my P-07 and watched the area for what I now knew was a mountain lion. My brother got his P250 out.

I watched the ridge line and shined my light towards it and saw the lion again. It was standing parallel to the trail, but was looking at us. It just stood there for a moment as I shined my light at it, and then trotted off into the darkness. To say the least my brother and I were keyed up for a bit, and took it slow for a while. Shinning our lights around us as we walked, and checking behind us on a regular basis too.

We made it back safe, tired, cold and hungry. Well I was hungry!


Lessons?

Fatigue has a bigger effect on you than you realize sometimes. I was just putting one foot in front of another trying to get back to the car, not thinking about the possible dangers. 100% on me.

My imagination is very active. It's a blessing and curse. It allows me to be totally comfortable alone, but is no friend to my focus. It's something I have to constantly remind myself of.

I always thought a SP101 3 inch 5 shot would be a dandy trail gun. Maybe it is, and I am not advocating launching 16 rounds of 9mm widely into the night. I am just simply saying that having the P-07 under the conditions made me feel more comfortable than a 5 shot revolver would have.

If you have two people carrying guns, have a plan in place to minimize the risk of flagging the other, and when to shoot if you have to.


Thankfully everything worked out fine, and we didn't have to defend ourselves. I have no desire to kill anything that is not actively trying to seriously injure or kill me or another person. However, we all need to be prepared in case life gets real unfair.

[David S.]

I’m open for either. .

Ryan Grizzle (rgrizzleleather.com) and TT Gun Leather (https://www.ttgunleather.com)both list the P-07. The don't show a thumb break model or option, but I bet they could add one if you ask nicely. ;)

I'm sure there's others.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Far from a quality leather holster, but I really like my Safariland GLS for the application you are describing. Can be adjusted to fit a variety of handguns.

[claymore504]

Anyone have a good thumb break OWB holster for the P-07?

This is about all I could find when searching. I think I would go custom.

https://www.craftholsters.com/comfortable-leather-belt-holster

[awp_101]

After a several years of waffling between guns, I've settled on the P-07/09.
I think I’m about to get back on the 07/09 train as well. Sold them off a couple of years ago to try other things. I’ve settled on M&Ps for my striker fired needs and it looks like CZ will be my DA/SA choice.

[pooty]

I think I’m about to get back on the 07/09 train as well. Sold them off a couple of years ago to try other things. I’ve settled on M&Ps for my striker fired needs and it looks like CZ will be my DA/SA choice.

yes do it! theres this old timer on czfirearms.us 'Joe L'
he shoots those guns 100 - 200 yards. sometimes with irons! 400-500 dollar guns!


https://youtu.be/4RzOSIMvq48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbPrKF5dOXU&list=PL7GbOFIiTV0xt-yUxqYvFX6tek_pEmLes&index=37

[pooty]

This gun fits into an RCS Perun TLR-1 pretty good... it doesn't lock in, but when inverted the gun won't fall out unless shaken.


forgot to specify: it fits the P320 TLR1 Perun but not the Glock one

[TheNewbie]

Thanks to all who replied about the holster.

The GLS, is not really what I am looking for. It's ok, but not really my cup of tea. The release is different enough from my ALS to give me some concern.

What about High Noon Holsters? They have ready made thumb break holsters for the P-07.

https://www.highnoonholsters.com/skin-tite

https://www.highnoonholsters.com/side-effect

[awp_101]

I think I’m about to get back on the 07/09 train as well.


yes do it!
Ok, done! https://www.gunbroker.com/item/878713299

[TheNewbie]

Ok, done! https://www.gunbroker.com/item/878713299


I like it well enough now, that even if I couldn't get a ALS holster for it, I would just have a custom duty thumb break made.


The only gun I would no consider as an alternative would be a Beretta 92.


The P-07 is a great gun, and like you I jumped off and on the wagon a few times. Unless I have to, it's unlikely I will change anytime soon.

[45dotACP]

I like it well enough now, that even if I couldn't get a ALS holster for it, I would just have a custom duty thumb break made.


The only gun I would no consider as an alternative would be a Beretta 92.


The P-07 is a great gun, and like you I jumped off and on the wagon a few times. Unless I have to, it's unlikely I will change anytime soon.

As a long time Beretta 92 fan, I found the CZ P-07 continues to impress. Compared to a Standard Beretta 92FS it's similar. I feel something like a 92LTT is superior. But...compared to other guns within it's size/weight class I feel the CZ blows them out of the water. It may not be more accurate than a glock 19, but I can shoot it considerably better than I could shoot my Glock 19 with a RMR. Both guns can do a 2.5-3.5" group at 25 yards with good ammo...but I couldn't shoot a G19 better than 5" at that range.

I'm also a huge fan of DA/SA guns as a carry pistol. Mine was extremely receptive to trigger work. Also the P-07 having a decocker is great.

There's also just this X factor about it. I can carry it concealed under almost anything with the JMCK holster. Its freaky. I even put on a spandex rash guard on and could keep it concealed. I don't have a reason for any kind of subcompact or slimline subcompact gun given how easily this gun conceals for me. It's literally either a pocket gun or a P-07.

I blame Clusterfrack for spiking my interest in this gun.

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[TheNewbie]

As a long time Beretta 92 fan, I found the CZ P-07 continues to impress. Compared to a Standard Beretta 92FS it's similar. I feel something like a 92LTT is superior. But...compared to other guns within it's size/weight class I feel the CZ blows them out of the water. It may not be more accurate than a glock 19, but I can shoot it considerably better than I could shoot my Glock 19 with a RMR. Both guns can do a 2.5-3.5" group at 25 yards with good ammo...but I couldn't shoot a G19 better than 5" at that range.

I'm also a huge fan of DA/SA guns as a carry pistol. Mine was extremely receptive to trigger work. Also the P-07 having a decocker is great.

There's also just this X factor about it. I can carry it concealed under almost anything with the JMCK holster. Its freaky. I even put on a spandex rash guard on and could keep it concealed. I don't have a reason for any kind of subcompact or slimline subcompact gun given how easily this gun conceals for me. It's literally either a pocket gun or a P-07.

I blame Clusterfrack for spiking my interest in this gun.

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It’s what a Glock should be. ;)

Have you compared one to a 92 compact?

[45dotACP]

It’s what a Glock should be. ;)

Have you compared one to a 92 compact?Not directly. The 92 compact I owned was a chonky boi and I carried it in a CCC shaggy, but it was not comfortable and not anywhere near as concealed. I think it might look different in a JMCK wingclaw but I don't own it anymore, sadly, having abandoned it for the glock 19 that my P-07 ultimately replaced.

The compact 92s were stupid accurate though.

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[TheNewbie]

Not directly. The 92 compact I owned was a chonky boi and I carried it in a CCC shaggy, but it was not comfortable and not anywhere near as concealed. I think it might look different in a JMCK wingclaw but I don't own it anymore, sadly, having abandoned it for the glock 19 that my P-07 ultimately replaced.

The compact 92s were stupid accurate though.

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I think if I had to switch to a different gun, it might be the 92 compact.

[45dotACP]

I think if I had to switch to a different gun, it might be the 92 compact.I briefly considered a 92x compact just because I already have the 92 LTT and it's by far one of my favorite handguns. I'd probably get a TJIAB. I have briefly thought I should give it a whirl and if it's as easy to carry as the CZ I'd just send the P-07 down the road to simplify my gun safe and because I have loads of Beretta support gear.

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[TheNewbie]

I briefly considered a 92x compact just because I already have the 92 LTT and it's by far one of my favorite handguns. I'd probably get a TJIAB. I have briefly thought I should give it a whirl and if it's as easy to carry as the CZ I'd just send the P-07 down the road to simplify my gun safe and because I have loads of Beretta support gear.

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There are a few changes (though not necessary) I would make to the P-07 first, but I would see it as a good option for the right agency. Especially if CZ made a single stack thin 43x like DA/SA gun.

[Clusterfrack]

I just bought my 3rd P-07, from Palmguy. Thanks dude! 50 rounds went through it today, before my main practice. Even box-stock with no lube and break in, the action was surprisingly good. The DA pull was a little gritty, but that's it. OEM sights were spot on at 20yds. I really like these guns.

[claymore504]

I just bought my 3rd P-07, from Palmguy. Thanks dude! 50 rounds went through it today, before my main practice. Even box-stock with no lube and break in, the action was surprisingly good. The DA pull was a little gritty, but that's it. OEM sights were spot on at 20yds. I really like these guns.

These guns are just great for sure. I only have 1 P07 (OD Green model), but wnat to pick up a UG/SR model. As for the P09, I have3 now. Love them just as much. The third one I picked up is a bone stock model with standard sights. Thinking about making this one a dot gun.

[Clusterfrack]

I installed the “poor man’s” Prograde Kit in P-07 #3:

CGW parts:
Extended FP & spring
Hardened roll pin
Reduced power TRS
13# hammer spring (blue)
Machined sear pin

I noticed that the OEM parts appear to be upgraded. The TRS looks similar to the one in the Shadow2. The roller is smoother (0.2155” diam). The Disco is coated with a bluish tint.

The results are very nice, but not quite at the level of the full Prograde Kit in my other two 07s, especially in SA. The DA is just different. With the full Prograde Kit the spring rate of the DA pull flattens out after about the last 1/3 of the pull. The OEM DA has a steady increase throughout.

DA: 8#
SA: 3.25#

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201009/c022305dc7b4afe8a75a4ac848b7ea25.jpg

[Clusterfrack]

I shot the new P-07 a bit today, and the action has smoothed noticeably. The difference between this one, and my Prograde guns narrows.

Also, the #13 hammer spring and extended FP fires Wolf small rifle military primers on the first strike DA and SA.

[HCM]

Thanks to all who replied about the holster.

The GLS, is not really what I am looking for. It's ok, but not really my cup of tea. The release is different enough from my ALS to give me some concern.

What about High Noon Holsters? They have ready made thumb break holsters for the P-07.

https://www.highnoonholsters.com/skin-tite

https://www.highnoonholsters.com/side-effect

Have you actually used the GLS ? You don't consciously activate the release. You just draw the gun like an open top holster and your grip does the rest. In fact the less you think about it, the better.

That ease of use makes it no better than an open top in terms of gun grabs, but as field / sport holster its fine.

[Brianjkeene]

Jumping on the P07 train. I’ve been a Glock shooter for many years but tried out a buddy’s p07 the other day and was amazed that I was more accurate on the first DA shot than I was with my Glock. His P07 had a couple of thousand rounds through it and it was smooth as butter (all stock). I still can’t believe that first day shot seemed so easy to me.

[claymore504]

I shot the new P-07 a bit today, and the action has smoothed noticeably. The difference between this one, and my Prograde guns narrows.

Also, the #13 hammer spring and extended FP fires Wolf small rifle military primers on the first strike DA and SA.

I have been using the 18# hammer spring in my P07 and P09. Guess I could try going down to the 15 or 13 with the results you have shown.

[Clusterfrack]

I have been using the 18# hammer spring in my P07 and P09. Guess I could try going down to the 15 or 13 with the results you have shown.

Assuming you have the extended firing pin, it’s worth a try.

[claymore504]

Assuming you have the extended firing pin, it’s worth a try.

Yeah I have the extended firing pin and spring installed, so maybe I will give it a shot. If anything I will go down to the 15#.

[Packy]

My p07 chews only 115 and 124 grs below and 1.125 OAL below. It will not go to full battery if higher.

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[Lon]

I have been using the 18# hammer spring in my P07 and P09. Guess I could try going down to the 15 or 13 with the results you have shown.

I ran the CGW firing pin and a 13# spring for thousands of rounds without issue.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

My p07 chews only 115 and 124 grs below and 1.125 OAL below. It will not go to full battery if higher.

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One option would be to get the Primary Machine aftermarket barrel. I have a threaded blem model, it is perfectly reliable and at least a little nore accurate than my stock barrel.

[Clusterfrack]

I had a little free time today, and completed a project I've had planned for a while.

The CGW Extended Firing Pin (https://cajungunworks.com/product/61050-perfection-series-firing/) (EFP) is part of the ProGrade Kit (https://cajungunworks.com/product/p-07-p-09-pro-grade-package/), and can be used separately as well. The EFP is the key to using lighter hammer springs. In my guns, I have determined that springs as light as #13 are reliable (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?12944-New-CZ-P-07-Mind-Blown&p=1127158&viewfull=1#post1127158).

However, the EFP is longer than the OEM firing pin, and protrudes slightly from the breech face when under pressure, even when the FP safety is engaged.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/924496c34594473856b1bb9582dc65a1.jpg


This was concerning to me for obvious reasons. Therefore I tested if an impact to the EFP could fire a round in the chamber. I used empty primed cases: Federal HST 147, and my own handholds (Winchester primer). I tested two of my guns, one with a full Prograde Kit and 6000+ rounds through it, and a new P-07 with the EFP.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/5b6e7e0b69b368405ce825977e33d9ff.jpg


I whacked the EFP with a punch and a hammer three times. No ignition.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/ea06a146070fb0287aa5f54d80c433ff.jpg


The primers looked like this, with a visible but small indentation:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/fb5190b8df054bd056344927964a1a1c.jpg


I fired the gun normally, and the primers ignited. The cases looked like this:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201025/1588e9ba333f63e936297de339436693.jpg


Conclusion: a very hard impact to the EFP while the FP safety is engaged will not ignite even soft Federal primers.

[Clusterfrack]

I found this posted on a FB group. So awesome. Willy Wonka would totally carry a P-07 AIWB.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201103/bf0ac5ccbc40bc4227220cd79623230a.jpg

[Mirolynmonbro]

We must be part of the same group because I saw it this morning too and saved it lol. The artist has a really cool Etsy store with the artwork for sale

[cheby]

Even Willy Wonka is switching to CO, damn it

[Brianjkeene]

Nice. I’ve settled on the 13# hammer spring because it gives a 6.75lb DA and fires every primer I’ve tried, and will fire military rifle primers on the 1st or 2nd strike.

Which other weight springs are you using In Conjunction with the 13lb hammer spring? Also, the 13lb spring is blue correct?

[Clusterfrack]

Which other weight springs are you using In Conjunction with the 13lb hammer spring? Also, the 13lb spring is blue correct?

Yes the #13 CGW spring is blue. I’m using a 15# recoil spring but the 13# hammer spring may need a 18# yellow recoil spring for ideal ejection with heavier defense loads. I’m using the 0.018” medium sear spring. The 0.020” heavy is good as well. I can’t measure a difference in SA pull.

[Clusterfrack]

Primary Machine threaded barrel. Just for fun, or raccoons.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201209/6a549476bca23d114bc098653fafd0cb.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201209/6ac975230ab51ed344d0b12cffb21ab9.jpg

[Brianjkeene]

Yes the #13 CGW spring is blue. I’m using a 15# recoil spring but the 13# hammer spring may need a 18# yellow recoil spring for ideal ejection with heavier defense loads. I’m using the 0.018” medium sear spring. The 0.020” heavy is good as well. I can’t measure a difference in SA pull.


Think the factory recoil spring could be ran with this setup instead of the yellow and stainless guide rod?

[Clusterfrack]

Think the factory recoil spring could be ran with this setup instead of the yellow and stainless guide rod?

Absolutely. In fact the P-07 with the suppressor in the pic above has the OEM RSA.

Side note: when I installed an 18# spring, I found that the #15 was short by 2-3 coils (after about 5000 rounds). That's probably why it was on the light side.

[Brianjkeene]

Absolutely. In fact the P-07 with the suppressor in the pic above has the OEM RSA.

Side note: when I installed an 18# spring, I found that the #15 was short by 2-3 coils (after about 5000 rounds). That's probably why it was on the light side.

Awesome, thanks Sir.

[David S.]

Do you guys find the P-07 slide is "squeaky" when you rack it back slowly?

I have a newish gun, CGW Pro kit, yellow recoil spring. Mine P07 does, but my P09's never did.

It doesn't seem to be a functional problem, it just seems weird.

[Clusterfrack]

Do you guys find the P-07 slide is "squeaky" when you rack it back slowly?

I have a newish gun, CGW Pro kit, yellow recoil spring. Mine P07 does, but my P09's never did.

It doesn't seem to be a functional problem, it just seems weird.

I'm betting it's the spring rubbing on the guiderod. Give the rod a hand job with some oil and wipe off.

[David S.]

I'm betting it's the spring rubbing on the guiderod. Give the rod a hand job with some oil and wipe off.

I'm assuming the same thing. Interestingly, my (guide)rod is already well lubed. ;)

[Clusterfrack]

I'm assuming the same thing. Interestingly, my (guide)rod is already well lubed. ;)

For work-related reasons, I know a bit about friction, lubrication, and stick-slip dynamics (which cause squeaking). These dynamics are strongly affected by the type of lubricant. Using a different oil, or a very very thin coating of grease could help.

[awp_101]

I haven’t gone through all eleventy-dozen pages of this thread so I’ll go ahead and ask. Is anyone running the 07 cocked and locked?

I’m getting close to losing enough weight that I can start thinking about carrying the 07 IWB without looking like I have a growth on my hip. Thing is, I’m also thinking about going 1911. My thought at the moment is if I can carry the 07 c&l there won’t be THAT big a difference in the triggers as I spend time carrying each until I decide which I prefer for full time carry.

Or is that an incredibly stupid though process?:confused:

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I haven’t gone through all eleventy-dozen pages of this thread so I’ll go ahead and ask. Is anyone running the 07 cocked and locked?

I’m getting close to losing enough weight that I can start thinking about carrying the 07 IWB without looking like I have a growth on my hip. Thing is, I’m also thinking about going 1911. My thought at the moment is if I can carry the 07 c&l there won’t be THAT big a difference in the triggers as I spend time carrying each until I decide which I prefer for full time carry.

Or is that an incredibly stupid though process?:confused:

I did for about the first year I had a P07, since that was what I was used to at the time, and ny other carry gun was a P938.

I never had an issue failing to take off the safety during drills or a match. However, it is very thin compared to a 1911 or even typical CZ safety, so ymmv. The P01 omega does have a wider safety.

[pooty]

finally came across a magwell for the mind blower, but it has to ship from South Africa

anyone up for a group buy? the seller quoted me at $87 ea, with a discount for a larger order + possibly free s&h

BigT
vdrielc

you guys know anyhing about these?

the seller (https://www.instagram.com/saedcreviews/) says it'll work with the standard 19,21 rounders but not the 15,17 mags unless you add the shoes.


https://saedcreviews.wixsite.com/mysite/product-page/phoenix-cz-p07-flared-magwell
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/50f414_8afdb6deaf1848c3a7e68ba36ba503ff~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_586,h_551,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/50f414_8afdb6deaf1848c3a7e68ba36ba503ff~mv2.webp

[David S.]

In case anyone cares, my buddy's M&P 2.0 fit perfectly in my JMCK P-09 AIWB holster. I adjusted the tension a bit and it seemed to hold securely with no rattle.

I'm thinking the P-07 and S&W M&P holsters might be cross compatible.

[Mirolynmonbro]

finally came across a magwell for the mind blower, but it has to ship from South Africa

anyone up for a group buy? the seller quoted me at $87 ea, with a discount for a larger order + possibly free s&h

BigT
vdrielc

you guys know anyhing about these?

the seller (https://www.instagram.com/saedcreviews/) says it'll work with the standard 19,21 rounders but not the 15,17 mags unless you add the shoes.


https://saedcreviews.wixsite.com/mysite/product-page/phoenix-cz-p07-flared-magwell
[img]https://static.wixstatic.com/media/50f414_8afdb6deaf1848c3a7e68ba36ba503ff~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_586,h_551,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/50f414_8afdb6deaf1848c3a7e68ba36ba503ff~mv2.webp[/mg]

Woah. That fits the P07? I didn't see the dimensions. I wonder if it would fit in the idpa ccp box. I am interested

[vdrielc]

I don’t know the product and unfortunately they are on the other side of the country so I can pop in to check it out.

I’ll ask on a local sportshooting group.


finally came across a magwell for the mind blower, but it has to ship from South Africa

anyone up for a group buy? the seller quoted me at $87 ea, with a discount for a larger order + possibly free s&h

BigT
vdrielc

you guys know anyhing about these?

the seller (https://www.instagram.com/saedcreviews/) says it'll work with the standard 19,21 rounders but not the 15,17 mags unless you add the shoes.


https://saedcreviews.wixsite.com/mysite/product-page/phoenix-cz-p07-flared-magwell
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/50f414_8afdb6deaf1848c3a7e68ba36ba503ff~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_586,h_551,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/50f414_8afdb6deaf1848c3a7e68ba36ba503ff~mv2.webp

[Wheeler]

In case anyone cares, my buddy's M&P 2.0 fit perfectly in my JMCK P-09 AIWB holster. I adjusted the tension a bit and it seemed to hold securely with no rattle.

I'm thinking the P-07 and S&W M&P holsters might be cross compatible.

I got all excited when I read this. I had a buddy that owns both check to see if his P07 would fit in his M&P holster. It did not. The slide on the P07 is much wider.

Now I has a sad because finding production, lefty holsters for P07s is a bit of a pain, especially if one is looking for one that will accommodate a light.

[fly out]

The P01 omega does have a wider safety.

Anyone know if that safety is easily adaptable to the P-07?

[pooty]

JMCK owb for TLR8 arrived last night, what a kickass design. First time i drew from it, i had correct index without having to think about it. Love how it hugs the torso while keeping belt attachments out of the way.

https://i.imgur.com/kC5DVkR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yOD14w3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XYYvwBy.jpg

[Clusterfrack]

Found on the internet...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210125/4b4ca96fdcfd73de07268e455f7cf328.jpeg

[Mirolynmonbro]

Anyone know if that safety is easily adaptable to the P-07?

Cajun gun works is working on an extended safety for the P07/P09. They should be sending me one to test when they finish it

[Wingate's Hairbrush]

Found on the internet...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210125/4b4ca96fdcfd73de07268e455f7cf328.jpegI loaf it and knead one. Wonder how much dough it cost?

[TheNewbie]

I loaf it and knead one. Wonder how much dough it cost?


You’ve been hanging around blues too much.

[blues]

You’ve been hanging around blues too much.

A mind is a terrible thing...

...to waste.

[revchuck38]

I loaf it and knead one. Wonder how much dough it cost?


You’ve been hanging around blues too much.


A mind is a terrible thing...

...to waste.

I think his mind is already wasted. :)

[Lost River]

The 70s were good to Blues.

And still are...:cool:

[vdrielc]

pooty

I’ve asked on the big sport shooting forums/groups in SA. No one appears to have experience with this product.
I’m not sure if that’s a bad thing, but unfortunately I couldn’t get any info of firsthand experience.


I don’t know the product and unfortunately they are on the other side of the country so I can pop in to check it out.

I’ll ask on a local sportshooting group.

[Whirlwind06]

Found a pretty good deal on a Gen 1 P07 Duty.
Is the 2nd gen with replaceable backstraps worth an extra $100 - $150 more for a new Gen 2?

[JMS]

Yes, but not just because of backstrap options of the Gen2. With the Gen1s, you risk buying the frame-flex problems they had, initially. EX: it was often possible to deform the magwell and seize the mag with just the pressure of what you’d consider your standard grip pressure.

Ask me how I know...:D

Also, it wasn’t just me, CZ was swapping out frames for folks a good bit in those days, for temp fluctuations, molding problems, etc. The Gen2 saw to all of that. Worth the extra $.

[Clusterfrack]

I would pass on the Duty. They were still working the bugs out of the design. Add a thin, sharp beavertail to the list of things that got fixed in the current P-07.

[Whirlwind06]

Yes, but not just because of backstrap options of the Gen2. With the Gen1s, you risk buying the frame-flex problems they had, initially. EX: it was often possible to deform the magwell and seize the mag with just the pressure of what you’d consider your standard grip pressure.

Ask me how I know...:D

Also, it wasn’t just me, CZ was swapping out frames for folks a good bit in those days, for temp fluctuations, molding problems, etc. The Gen2 saw to all of that. Worth the extra $.

Thanks I’ll pass on it then.

[Whirlwind06]

One of the local shops had a new P-07 in stock. Price was about what I see on GB right now. Not great but cheaper than Glocks are going for right now.
Picked it up on Saturday and put 50 round of my reloads though it. Liked it quite a bit.

I have a Cajun defensive carry spring kit and 2 more mags ordered.
I also have a Springer Precision RMR plate on order. I'm holding off getting the slide cut until I have a better feel about how I like the platform, but wanted to get a dot on it.

Next up is a holster.

I saw on another thread that these guns may not like 147-grain ammo?
That is what I reload and also my carry ammo. So I hope that doesn't become a problem.

[Trukinjp13]

One of the local shops had a new P-07 in stock. Price was about what I see on GB right now. Not great but cheaper than Glocks are going for right now.
Picked it up on Saturday and put 50 round of my reloads though it. Liked it quite a bit.

I have a Cajun defensive carry spring kit and 2 more mags ordered.
I also have a Springer Precision RMR plate on order. I'm holding off getting the slide cut until I have a better feel about how I like the platform, but wanted to get a dot on it.

Next up is a holster.

I saw on another thread that these guns may not like 147-grain ammo?
That is what I reload and also my carry ammo. So I hope that doesn't become a problem.

I used 147hst in both p07 I owned. I installed that trigger kit with some other CGW goodies in one. It was great with the short reset kit. Take your time though and some HK trs pliers helped with the install. Also somewhere in here cluster has a good tutorial on breaking in the trigger through dry fire and a cut in half ear plug. It really helped smooth her out before hand.


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[JMS]

Of those suffering problems with 147, note how many of them are folks who fiddle with springs n such like it’s their career.

Food for thought, only. I’m a practical guy who follows a Heinleinesque mindset: “overspecialization is for insects and monks.” If chasing some ever-indefinable “feels” makes one alter the gun to the point that it chokes on *common* ammo...

Only that user can decide if that fits their desired endstate.

...and that’s with ANY gun...

[Clusterfrack]

One of the local shops had a new P-07 in stock. Price was about what I see on GB right now. Not great but cheaper than Glocks are going for right now.
Picked it up on Saturday and put 50 round of my reloads though it. Liked it quite a bit.

I have a Cajun defensive carry spring kit and 2 more mags ordered.
I also have a Springer Precision RMR plate on order. I'm holding off getting the slide cut until I have a better feel about how I like the platform, but wanted to get a dot on it.

Next up is a holster.

I saw on another thread that these guns may not like 147-grain ammo?
That is what I reload and also my carry ammo. So I hope that doesn't become a problem.

Good job on finding a P-07. I have over 10000 rounds in my 3 P-07s and no issues with any ammo as long as the overall length isn't too great. Every factory load has worked 100%, including HST and Ranger 147. I carry HST 147 in all of my defensive guns.

Where did you see issues with 147?

[Whirlwind06]

Good job on finding a P-07. I have over 10000 rounds in my 3 P-07s and no issues with any ammo as long as the overall length isn't too great. Every factory load has worked 100%, including HST and Ranger 147. I carry HST 147 in all of my defensive guns.

Where did you see issues with 147?

I thought it was a post here on PF, but I can't find it now. Might have misread it. My own testing so far has not shown a problem.

[45dotACP]

Mine definitely seems to prefer stuff in the 124gr weight, but that's solely an accuracy observation. 147 grain ammo still feeds and fires as well as any other. And truthfully I shoot most of my guns for accuracy unsupported from 20-25 yards, so most of my accuracy issues with 147 grain could just be operator headspace.

I did put a CGW kit in my gun and it most certainly has the best SA trigger of any of my DA/SA experience. The lightest spring is not advised unless you're just gaming with federal primers, but you can still get a very nice trigger that can light off any primer.

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[Clusterfrack]

I prefer 147gr for carry ammo because they are not as loud as 124. I haven't observed any accuracy differences among bullet weights in my P-07s, or in other people's guns. These are remarkably accurate guns with any ammo I have used.

[David S.]

All I shoot is Fenix 147g. Something like 9000 through 3 guns with no problems.... except when I started tinkering with super light springs.

[momano]

For the P-07; For self defense; what modifications make a more reliable weapon/tool? If reliability is my main concern, if most self defense shootings occur within 5-7 yards- should I leave my P-07 bone stock or does the extended firing pin and the improved sear pin make a more better tool? Concerning Glocks; OEM is always recommended- what is best practice for P-07s? NOT trying to troll here; TIA.

[Clusterfrack]

For the P-07; For self defense; what modifications make a more reliable weapon/tool? If reliability is my main concern, if most self defense shootings occur within 5-7 yards- should I leave my P-07 bone stock or does the extended firing pin and the improved sear pin make a more better tool? Concerning Glocks; OEM is always recommended- what is best practice for P-07s? NOT trying to troll here; TIA.

Good question. I agree that OEM is usually best, unless there’s a good reason. The only aftermarket part that improves reliability in a P-07 is the CGW hardened firing pin retention pin.

For defensive use, I prefer a DA pull around 8 lbs, while retaining a SA pull around 3 lbs—similar to OEM. That requires some mods, which do not appear to reduce reliability. This can be accomplished with a full Prograde kit, or more cheaply with a few CGW parts.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a stock P-07, especially after some lubrication and break in.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

For the P-07; For self defense; what modifications make a more reliable weapon/tool? If reliability is my main concern, if most self defense shootings occur within 5-7 yards- should I leave my P-07 bone stock or does the extended firing pin and the improved sear pin make a more better tool? Concerning Glocks; OEM is always recommended- what is best practice for P-07s? NOT trying to troll here; TIA.


The advantage to the extended firing pin is it allows you to use much lighter hammer springs and still reliably touch off hard primers. If you are fine with the DA weight as it comes there is no reason to change it out. Likewise all the other internal upgrades are designed to improved the trigger pull. They dont improve the safety or reliability, but they also dont hurt it either. This is a big difference between a TDA gun and a striker fired gun in general: you can greatly improve the trigger pull without sacrificing safety or reliability, this is not generally the case with Glocks.

One exception to this is the improved firing pin retaining pin: this does improve the durability of the firearm because the stock firing pin retaining pin is a poorly designed part that will eventually break from dry fire.

[Trukinjp13]

Good question. I agree that OEM is usually best, unless there’s a good reason. The only aftermarket part that improves reliability in a P-07 is the CGW hardened firing pin retention pin.

For defensive use, I prefer a DA pull around 8 lbs, while retaining a SA pull around 3 lbs—similar to OEM. That requires some mods, which do not appear to reduce reliability. This can be accomplished with a full Prograde kit, or more cheaply with a few CGW parts.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a stock P-07, especially after some lubrication and break in.

I agree with this. I could get away with a stock p07 with the CGW firing pin and a spring kit with srt and be completely happy.

Shoot the crap out of it and smooth that da out. You will have a shooter for not much moola.


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[momano]

Thank you, Gentlemen! Order placed with CGW.

[45dotACP]

Are the talon grips for this gun a wise investment? I've been thinking about some upgrades.


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[Clusterfrack]

Are the talon grips for this gun a wise investment? I've been thinking about some upgrades.


I prefer TractionGrips to Talon for the P-07. I have them on all of mine, and they make a huge difference. I bought spares, but haven't had to change them, even after years of sweaty carry.
http://www.tractiongrips.com/catalog/i71.html

[Trukinjp13]

I prefer TractionGrips to Talon for the P-07. I have them on all of mine, and they make a huge difference. I bought spares, but haven't had to change them, even after years of sweaty carry.
http://www.tractiongrips.com/catalog/i71.html

Agreed. Talons do not seem to survive as well under use. I have had multiple sets and if carried regularly, the talons would not last a year. Ymmv


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[claymore504]

Are the talon grips for this gun a wise investment? I've been thinking about some upgrades.


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The major issue with the P07/P09 grip texture I have is the back strap having a lack of grip texture. I have run Talon grips and had great results when applied correctly. However, I decided to just have the back straps stippled and they work great for me.

https://i.imgur.com/N2CaNAu.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/r1FHbpe.jpg?1

[Clusterfrack]

The major issue with the P07/P09 grip texture I have is the back strap having a lack of grip texture. I have run Talon grips and had great results when applied correctly. However, I decided to just have the back straps stippled and they work great for me.


That's a very nice stippling job. Personally, I prefer a fairly smooth backstrap, so the OEM patters works well for me. I find that makes it easier to form my grip on the draw, and adjust if needed. As with nearly all guns, the stock P-07 lacks grip high on the sides, where a modern thumbs-forward grip applies pressure.

[claymore504]

That's a very nice stippling job. Personally, I prefer a fairly smooth backstrap, so the OEM patters works well for me. I find that makes it easier to form my grip on the draw, and adjust if needed. As with nearly all guns, the stock P-07 lacks grip high on the sides, where a modern thumbs-forward grip applies pressure.

Yeah I agree, not sure why companies do not take the texture all the way up on handguns.

[Clusterfrack]

Here’s a mod I made to an armorer’s block to make it easy to remove the hammer spring plug. Tip of a dummy round, held in place by part of a dog poop bag core.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210417/50a025cdbb4849f5a9aea7f980989e82.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210417/f5b48c6ee25018a757627ca7329afef5.jpg

[claymore504]

Nice! I have been fighting this battle using a very small socket, but it is still a pain. This looks great. Going to mod my block.

[TheNewbie]

Speaking of changing parts to increase reliability, do you all recommend changing to stock TRS to a CGW TRS? Supposedly this increases durability and longevity.

[Clusterfrack]

Speaking of changing parts to increase reliability, do you all recommend changing to stock TRS to a CGW TRS? Supposedly this increases durability and longevity.

I have the CGW TRS in all of my P-07s. I have had over 100k cycles on those springs in my S2s, so I'm satisfied that they are solid.

The newest P-07s appear to use upgraded parts, including a different-looking TRS. So, it's probably unnecessary if you have a new one, unless you are trying to reduce the DA pull (which I want to do).

[TheNewbie]

I have the CGW TRS in all of my P-07s. I have had over 100k cycles on those springs in my S2s, so I'm satisfied that they are solid.

The newest P-07s appear to use upgraded parts, including a different-looking TRS. So, it's probably unnecessary if you have a new one, unless you are trying to reduce the DA pull (which I want to do).

I’m going through a debate right now about what I want to do long term handgun wise. According you, the P-07 is not super difficult to detail strip. After watching a video of it done, I don’t know. lol My mechanical skills are limited to tire changes and filter changes!


So I want to make my guns last as long as as possible without detail stripping. Thus I’m trying to compile a list of CWG parts that do this. A smoother pull wouldn’t be bad, but a lighter pull is not my main goal.

[Clusterfrack]

You don't have to do a full detail strip to replace the TRS, but unless you have 1000's of cycles on it I don't think it's necessary.

The only really hard part is setting the tip of the decocker spring.

Lighter and smoother go hand-in-hand with the P-07, but again I think a mostly OEM gun is just fine. But... a full Prograde P-07 is even better.


I’m going through a debate right now about what I want to do long term handgun wise. According you, the P-07 is not super difficult to detail strip. After watching a video of it done, I don’t know. lol My mechanical skills are limited to tire changes and filter changes!


So I want to make my guns last as long as as possible without detail stripping. Thus I’m trying to compile a list of CWG parts that do this. A smoother pull wouldn’t be bad, but a lighter pull is not my main goal.

[45dotACP]

I’m going through a debate right now about what I want to do long term handgun wise. According you, the P-07 is not super difficult to detail strip. After watching a video of it done, I don’t know. lol My mechanical skills are limited to tire changes and filter changes!


So I want to make my guns last as long as as possible without detail stripping. Thus I’m trying to compile a list of CWG parts that do this. A smoother pull wouldn’t be bad, but a lighter pull is not my main goal.

My mechanical aptitude is about the same. Personally I had more trouble installing an Apex trigger in an M&P than I did with the CGW parts for my P-07.

I don't run a very light DA trigger mostly because of reliability issues with the lighter mainsprings...but the SA trigger on this pistol is worth it. And the DA still hangs around 8lbs

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[Clusterfrack]

My mechanical aptitude is about the same. Personally I had more trouble installing an Apex trigger in an M&P than I did with the CGW parts for my P-07.

I don't run a very light DA trigger mostly because of reliability issues with the lighter mainsprings...but the SA trigger on this pistol is worth it. And the DA still hangs around 8lbs


M&P... don't get me started on the design flaws in that gun.

I agree about a 7 to 8# DA pull. That's the sweet spot for the P-07, and I think that's perfect for defensive use. I actually increase the weight of the SA pull in my Prograde P-07s using a medium or heavy CGW sear spring.

[TheNewbie]

Thank you both for your response. I’ve been going back and forth over what platform to truly commit to.


The P-07 is not perfect, but it does a lot for me and meets much of my criteria. The Glock is simple enough for even I to work on, but even with an SCD and an NY1 trigger, it’s on the edge of what I feel comfortable carrying.


I may give CWG a call and see if they offer a la cart gunsmith services.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

That looks like a good solution for installing the hammer spring. Personally I have used a deck screw drilled into my workbench, but then you have an ugly screwhead looking up at you all the time.

[TheNewbie]

My mechanical aptitude is about the same. Personally I had more trouble installing an Apex trigger in an M&P than I did with the CGW parts for my P-07.

I don't run a very light DA trigger mostly because of reliability issues with the lighter mainsprings...but the SA trigger on this pistol is worth it. And the DA still hangs around 8lbs

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Well your career takes a lot more brain power than mine does, so if you had trouble with the M&P, I would too.


How many rounds do you have through the P-07?

[David S.]

It's not that the decocker spring is complicated to install, it's just a pain in the ass. You need something like a small flat head screw driver, it would be super helpful if it had a notch in the end to hold the spring end.

I don't recall it being any worse to detail strip than the classic SIGs or PX4, for example.

[TheNewbie]

It's not that the decocker spring is complicated to install, it's just a pain in the ass. You need something like a small flat head screw driver, it would be super helpful if it had a notch in the end to hold the spring end.

I don't recall it being any worse to detail strip than the classic SIGs or PX4, for example.


How many rounds do you have through your polymer CZs?

[David S.]

Nothing significant compared to others. I don't track rounds but I'd estimate something like 10k through my main practice gun and 3k through another two. This includes a few classes and dozen or so USPSA, IDPA and "Steel Challenge" like matches. The practice gun got 50k dry practice strikes using the widely recommended o-ring to protect the firing pin.

I'm fairly casual about cleaning. I do a basic wipe down whenever I feel like it, which ends up being every couple thousand rounds. I do keep it well oiled. I've had zero malfunctions except when I was experimenting with super light (10.5 & 11#, IIRC) main springs. No breakages except for a lost front sight post, probably because I didn't torque and lock-tite the screw properly.

I've fully bought into Langdon and Bolke's argument for DA and DA/SA as "street" trigger," or "people management triggers." It's one of the primary considerations for platform choice. I also wanted polymer frame for weight, mag interchangeability and simple RDS install. The CZ checks all those boxes.

Everyone seems to love the trigger on this gun. I'm not sure what it is, but the trigger took a while to grow on me. With my small sample size, I think SIG P2XX and Beretta triggers seemed cleaner and smoother to me, especially after upgrade. A year or two later, I like the P-07/09 trigger as much as anything now.

What I like:
- They're thin, fairly light with a blocky grip.
- Reliability and accuracy are very good.
- Unlike H&Ks and Berettas, adding a dot is a routine process. I had my guy mill a Glock dovetail for the rear sight, which gives me plenty of options. Dawson has good front sight options.
- Not unusually difficult to detail strip. It's not Glock easy, but not worse than any other DA/SA gun I've owned. Probably easier than H&K
- You can use P-09 mags in the P-07. Factory 10rd mags are available.
- Acceptable aftermarket. CGW and CZC for internal parts. JMCK and a couple others for holsters.
- Good size beavertail that protects from slide bite without being too big. It has a generous "undercut" trigger guard and a large mag button.

What I think could be better:
- The decock lever size and placement prevents me from getting my support hand as high as I'd like.
- The reversed rail system (frame rails outside, slide rails inside) decreases gripping surface area, making it a little more difficult to rack the slide. On the bright side, there's no hand/thumb drag to slow slide movement.
- Retention holster selection is minimal. I think Safariland may have one or two options. I haven't found any RDS models.
- The top rear corner of the slide and the CGW hammer in particular, have sharp points. I have holes in a lot of my shirts.
- The backstraps seem to "adjust" grip angle, and do little to nothing to adjust trigger reach. The large backstrap will feel almost Glock-like.
- I wish the factory grip texture was more aggressive and went higher.
- I would prefer the slide catch lever was 1/8" longer.

Most of my negative comments are chicken shit nit picks. Nothing is perfect, but the P-0/09 is a darn good option.

[willie]

Thank you both for your response. I’ve been going back and forth over what platform to truly commit to.


The P-07 is not perfect, but it does a lot for me and meets much of my criteria. The Glock is simple enough for even I to work on, but even with an SCD and an NY1 trigger, it’s on the edge of what I feel comfortable carrying.


I may give CWG a call and see if they offer a la cart gunsmith services.

I stopped at their shop and visited with them about 21/2 years ago. I learned that there is a minimum charge on handguns. This minimum charge plus shipping costs would discourage sending a gun for one or two work request services. I forgot the minimum charge.

[TheNewbie]

Nothing significant compared to others. I don't track rounds but I'd estimate something like 10k through my main practice gun and 3k through another two. This includes a few classes and dozen or so USPSA, IDPA and "Steel Challenge" like matches. The practice gun got 50k dry practice strikes using the widely recommended o-ring to protect the firing pin.

I'm fairly casual about cleaning. I do a basic wipe down whenever I feel like it, which ends up being every couple thousand rounds. I do keep it well oiled. I've had zero malfunctions except when I was experimenting with super light (10.5 & 11#, IIRC) main springs. No breakages except for a lost front sight post, probably because I didn't torque and lock-tite the screw properly.

I've fully bought into Langdon and Bolke's argument for DA and DA/SA as "street" trigger," or "people management triggers." It's one of the primary considerations for platform choice. I also wanted polymer frame for weight, mag interchangeability and simple RDS install. The CZ checks all those boxes.

Everyone seems to love the trigger on this gun. I'm not sure what it is, but the trigger took a while to grow on me. With my small sample size, I think SIG P2XX and Beretta triggers seemed cleaner and smoother to me, especially after upgrade. A year or two later, I like the P-07/09 trigger as much as anything now.

What I like:
- They're thin, fairly light with a blocky grip.
- Reliability and accuracy are very good.
- Unlike H&Ks and Berettas, adding a dot is a routine process. I had my guy mill a Glock dovetail for the rear sight, which gives me plenty of options. Dawson has good front sight options.
- Not unusually difficult to detail strip. It's not Glock easy, but not worse than any other DA/SA gun I've owned. Probably easier than H&K
- You can use P-09 mags in the P-07. Factory 10rd mags are available.
- Acceptable aftermarket. CGW and CZC for internal parts. JMCK and a couple others for holsters.
- Good size beavertail that protects from slide bite without being too big. It has a generous "undercut" trigger guard and a large mag button.

What I think could be better:
- The decock lever size and placement prevents me from getting my support hand as high as I'd like.
- The reversed rail system (frame rails outside, slide rails inside) decreases gripping surface area, making it a little more difficult to rack the slide. On the bright side, there's no hand/thumb drag to slow slide movement.
- Retention holster selection is minimal. I think Safariland may have one or two options. I haven't found any RDS models.
- The top rear corner of the slide and the CGW hammer in particular, have sharp points. I have holes in a lot of my shirts.
- The backstraps seem to "adjust" grip angle, and do little to nothing to adjust trigger reach. The large backstrap will feel almost Glock-like.
- I wish the factory grip texture was more aggressive and went higher.
- I would prefer the slide catch lever was 1/8" longer.

Most of my negative comments are chicken shit nit picks. Nothing is perfect, but the P-0/09 is a darn good option.


Good stuff.

Safariland makes the ALS for the P series CZs.


It’s the gun I just need to make myself commit to. The are other options that have elements I like better (Glock simplicity, M&P manual thumb safety, HK reliability) but the P series work, are reliable, and are affordable. Overall it checks enough boxes and I already have gear for it.

[CLaw]

Sound argument and we’re I am with Glocks, but I keep looking for something different even though I know that I shouldn’t…


Good stuff.

Safariland makes the ALS for the P series CZs.


It’s the gun I just need to make myself commit to. The are other options that have elements I like better (Glock simplicity, M&P manual thumb safety, HK reliability) but the P series work, are reliable, and are affordable. Overall it checks enough boxes and I already have gear for it.

[TheNewbie]

Sound argument and we’re I am with Glocks, but I keep looking for something different even though I know that I shouldn’t…

If Glock had a quality factory safety option, I would be there with Glock.

Imagine that the P-07 had been released in the year 2000, and I could see it being the DA/SA option for most.

[Doc_Glock]

M&P... don't get me started on the design flaws in that gun.

I would love to hear more about this maybe in another thread?

[Moylan]

Most of my negative comments are chicken shit nit picks. Nothing is perfect, but the P-0/09 is a darn good option.

I add to your negative list: when I bought my 1st P07 a couple three years ago, I did not realize that I couldn't dry fire it without taking some sort of precautions. Yes, bad research on my part, but I was frankly stunned to learn that I'd bought a modern pistol that couldn't be safely dry fired. I consider this a ridiculous move on CZ's part. I have replaced the firing pin retaining pin on both my guns, and I always dry fire with snap caps, so there are pretty easy workarounds. But still. Come on, CZ.

Still, I'm bought in. Like you say, nothing is perfect.

I agree with you and others here, by the way, in saying the detail strip really isn't that hard. I've had my guns down to the frame a couple of times and there's nothing too much to it, apart from that decocker spring which is definitely annoying. But if I can do it, pretty much anyone can.

[Clusterfrack]

I would love to hear more about this maybe in another thread?

I don't want to start a M&P love/hate thread. But if I did, I could start by asking why the Apex Striker Safety kit (https://www.apextactical.com/ultimate-striker-block-mp) includes a rear sight removal tool?

[TheNewbie]

How would you compare the durability and ability to detail strip of the Beretta 92 vs the P-07?


Can the B92 be made as durable?

[Clusterfrack]

I don’t have a lot of experience with the 92. It’s not of great interest to me.

The P-07 is about as simple as a TDA can get, and I like that. I think it’s the Glock of TDAs.

[CLaw]

Well, if you dryfire the Glock a lot, you will break the breachface. And, you can't put in an oring anywhere to prevent it. And that platform was designed to require one to dryfire to disassemble it. lol


I add to your negative list: when I bought my 1st P07 a couple three years ago, I did not realize that I couldn't dry fire it without taking some sort of precautions. Yes, bad research on my part, but I was frankly stunned to learn that I'd bought a modern pistol that couldn't be safely dry fired. I consider this a ridiculous move on CZ's part. I have replaced the firing pin retaining pin on both my guns, and I always dry fire with snap caps, so there are pretty easy workarounds. But still. Come on, CZ.

Still, I'm bought in. Like you say, nothing is perfect.

I agree with you and others here, by the way, in saying the detail strip really isn't that hard. I've had my guns down to the frame a couple of times and there's nothing too much to it, apart from that decocker spring which is definitely annoying. But if I can do it, pretty much anyone can.

[Moylan]

Well, if you dryfire the Glock a lot, you will break the breachface. And, you can't put in an oring anywhere to prevent it. And that platform was designed to require one to dryfire to disassemble it. lol

Huh. I did not know that. So was I too rough on CZ, or have I been too easy on Glock?

Dry fire worries about the M&P? My son has one.

[revchuck38]

Dry fire worries about the M&P? My son has one.

A worry? :)

[45dotACP]

How would you compare the durability and ability to detail strip of the Beretta 92 vs the P-07?


Can the B92 be made as durable?Not gonna lie, apart from a trigger bar or a hammer spring, I never did much more than field stripped any of my Beretta 92 pistols. And aside from the Prograde CGW goodies I take the same approach to the c-zed
Les Pepperoni ran CZs and Berettas so I suspect he might be able to comment on how easy stripping is...er...How to disassemble your gun fully.

I think the Beretta was a bit easier, but damn both guns made me appreciate the simplicity of a 1911 or a Glock when it came to detail stripping.

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