Best night sights for VP9/P30?

[Comedian]

Appealing to the hive. What are the best options currently available?

[GJM]

Anything but the factory mepro's.

[DannyZRC]

AFAIK, the only geardo-approved sights available are the Trijicon HDs and Heinie straight-8s.

Oh, I think 10-8 does a trit front, but only a plain black rear so it doesn't count.

[JSGlock34]

I have a set of Trijicon HDs waiting to go on mine.

[BaiHu]

Trijicon HDs here.

[Comedian]

The HD's look quite tall. Does this affect POI?

[GJM]

The HD's look quite tall. Does this affect POI?

Not on my P30. The HD is what I have on the way for my VP9.

[JohnN]

10-8 rear/Dawson Precision tritium front.


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[JAD]

Who does installs well? I think I've heard a horror story or two.

[GJM]

I have had great luck with Heinie installing their sights, and JoJo's in CT.

[JohnN]

A word of warning to those attempting to install a Dawson front sight on the VP9. I don't know if the P30/VP9 dovetail is different or the sight was out of spec but a considerable amount of material needs to be removed to make it fit. It was surprising, the same front sight configuration installed easily in my P30.


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[CCT125US]

10-8 rear/Dawson Precision tritium front.


I hear this is what the cool kids are using. That and Heinie Straight Eights.

[TAZ]

A word of warning to those attempting to install a Dawson front sight on the VP9. I don't know if the P30/VP9 dovetail is different or the sight was out of spec but a considerable amount of material needs to be removed to make it fit. It was surprising, the same front sight configuration installed easily in my P30.


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My P30 front took a LOT of filing as well. If you go Dawson for either be prepared to work it I guess.

[Greg Bell]

Since I like the way H&K pistols are sighted I usually send them to tool tech to have tubes installed into the factory sights. Not an issue for me since I never cock my guns using my sights.

[BoppaBear]

The HD's look quite tall. Does this affect POI?

I have HDs on both my P30's and both sk's, and like them. They are taller, but they are based on spec according to a Trij rep I corresponded with, i.e. The measurements between front and rear are the same as far as height, as they are with stock sights.

They did take me a little practice to find the right sight picture, but that's just the way it is.

[RJ]

I did a lot of searching yesterday and today, but my Google-fu is weak, apparently, so I am asking my question in this thread:

I have a April 2015 purchase new VP9, bone stock with the glow-in-the-dark sights. I want to replace them with Trijicon HDs, which I had on my M&P FS9. For accuracy, I shoot with the center of the bull aligned to the top of sights, at 25 yards, using a B-8 target. My best ever score is 83-2X with Speer GD 124+p's. Yes I suck. Previously, when I took a training course with aforementioned gun with HDs, I just stuck the big yellow dot on the target and squeezed. Mostly I was able to get a good amount of 2As, at least on the brown cardboard bad guys.


Can anyone confirm the sight height dimensions for front and rear of the VP9 stock sights and the HDs?

Here's what I've been able to infer from a few searches for the stock sights:

Rear height: 0.270" Front height: 0.155" (difference of -0.115")

And this is what I found on the Trijicon web sight for HK110Y's:

Rear height: 0.325" Front height: 0.215" (difference = -0.110")

Are these numbers correct?

From what I have gathered, it appears that the difference numbers are so small as to be negligible for me, and I should be gtg.

I've had the HDs on the previous pistol, and like them for general target shooting, light competition, training and home defense as an "all around" sight. However, the heights that Trijicon chose for that gun were very different from stock, so much so, that the gun shot almost 3" high at 7 yards for me.

Since the VP9 will be my "only" gun from this fall, I just want to avoid that experience again and get it right the first time. I want to concentrate on training and getting to be a USPSA "B" shooter, and not worry about the sights after this.

Thanks...Rich

[EJO]

Save yourself a world of hurt Rich and just go with Dawson Precision. If you don't want to install them yourself send them off and have Dawson do it for you. Oh and they come with a POA/POI gaurentee. I've done the factory VP9 sights, Trijicon HD, and Heinie sights. In the end I went back to the Dawson Precision sights and love them. Same height as factory, shoot point of aim and come in multiple widths. Just my 0.02

[RJ]

So I ordered the HDs, and they arrived today in my PO Box.

Very happy just looking at them; they appear a little taller on both front and rear, i.e. not enough so as to affect my POI/POA, hopefully. I'd say by physical inspection, the numbers I quoted above are about right.

I'm going to send the slide off to have them mounted, then take the VP9 to the range and see how it goes. This really is the only thing I want to do to the VP9 before using it to get on with training and USPSA this fall.

[Trukinjp13]

Trijicon HDs for the win. Love them, fast and easy.

[SkiDevil]

Save yourself a world of hurt Rich and just go with Dawson Precision. If you don't want to install them yourself send them off and have Dawson do it for you. Oh and they come with a POA/POI gaurentee. I've done the factory VP9 sights, Trijicon HD, and Heinie sights. In the end I went back to the Dawson Precision sights and love them. Same height as factory, shoot point of aim and come in multiple widths. Just my 0.02

I looked around and ended-up ordering a pair of tritium night sights from Dawson Precision for an HK 45C. I like that there were a variety of sight heights to choose from. I hope the installation is fairly straight forward.

[1slow]

I've put Trijicon HD orange on 6+ P30 9mms and have had no POI issues. I really like the HDs for an all light conditions sight.
Before MGW came out with their do everything tool a machinist buddy made me an insert for the MGW USP tool that worked great for P30 and HK45.

[P30]

gunsholstersandgear.com/complete-hk-vp9-sights-list (http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/complete-hk-vp9-sights-list/)

[XXXsilverXXX]

Anything but the factory mepro's.

But maybe some of us like the factory mepro...
:(

[Patrin]

But maybe some of us like the factory mepro...
:(

Yeah.

[RJ]

So I ordered the HDs, and they arrived today in my PO Box.

Very happy just looking at them; they appear a little taller on both front and rear, i.e. not enough so as to affect my POI/POA, hopefully. I'd say by physical inspection, the numbers I quoted above are about right.

I'm going to send the slide off to have them mounted, then take the VP9 to the range and see how it goes. This really is the only thing I want to do to the VP9 before using it to get on with training and USPSA this fall.

Funny to see this post in the thread.

Turns out the HDs did not work out for me, fwiw.

I continually had issues with the height and sharpness of the rear sights. In addition, having picked yellow for reasons which now escape me, I really did have problems seeing that color.

(In retrospect perhaps I should have gone orange. Maybe by age 58, my photo-receptors for green/yellow are not that great anymore? I wonder if anyone has any data on best color for aging Baby Boomer eye sight? Maybe we need a pole. :cool:)

I went ahead and put the glow in the dark HK sights back on. I'm mulling over just painting my rears black, but am on the hunt for a ideas on a good front sight. High on the shopping list are Orange color, highly visible, and a manageable price for two. Also need zero change in POI, so stock height. I'd love it if there was a balance for CCW and USPSA, since I'd want the same sight for my EDC P30SK as well as competition VP9. I don't think I'd really want a big fat dot anymore, either.

I had a 10 8 FO on my M&P (since sold) but maybe I am in the minority but I was never that impressed with the light capture of the fiber rod. And I tried several of the colors too.

All that being said, are these Dawson Precision Tritium Sights close to what I am looking for? I'll definitely go check them out.

[RJ]

gunsholstersandgear.com/complete-hk-vp9-sights-list (http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/complete-hk-vp9-sights-list/)

Thanks, I'd forgotten about that compilation.

Is anyone using Truglo TFX frontsights? Thoughts?

[HCM]

Funny to see this post in the thread.

Turns out the HDs did not work out for me, fwiw.

I continually had issues with the height and sharpness of the rear sights. In addition, having picked yellow for reasons which now escape me, I really did have problems seeing that color.

(In retrospect perhaps I should have gone orange. Maybe by age 58, my photo-receptors for green/yellow are not that great anymore? I wonder if anyone has any data on best color for aging Baby Boomer eye sight? Maybe we need a pole. :cool:)

I went ahead and put the glow in the dark HK sights back on. I'm mulling over just painting my rears black, but am on the hunt for a ideas on a good front sight. High on the shopping list are Orange color, highly visible, and a manageable price for two. Also need zero change in POI, so stock height. I'd love it if there was a balance for CCW and USPSA, since I'd want the same sight for my EDC P30SK as well as competition VP9. I don't think I'd really want a big fat dot anymore, either.

I had a 10 8 FO on my M&P (since sold) but maybe I am in the minority but I was never that impressed with the light capture of the fiber rod. And I tried several of the colors too.

All that being said, are these Dawson Precision Tritium Sights close to what I am looking for? I'll definitely go check them out.

Rich,

Color selection on sights depends on your eyes.

Traffic studies tell us for people with normal vision, orange is more viable in daylight and lime green is more visible in low light,

We are primarily using the colored rings on the HD fronts for day light use.

If you have normal color vision Orange tends to work best. The lime yellow tends to work best for those who are to one degree or another red - green colorblind.

As for fiber optics, how visible they are depends on the sight - what size FO and how much FO rod is exposed.

[johnm]

All that being said, are these Dawson Precision Tritium Sights close to what I am looking for? I'll definitely go check them out.

I like the Straight Eights.

Has anybody tried the XS "lollipop" standard dot size?

[RevolverRob]

I hear this is what the cool kids are using. That and Heinie Straight Eights.

Dawson Precision/10-8 Rear. I'm not even that cool and I'm using it.



All that being said, are these Dawson Precision Tritium Sights close to what I am looking for? I'll definitely go check them out.

Rich see the attached pics. I have bad astigmatism and I'm near sights at 20/60 without corrective lens. I can see through these sights without my glasses on. The only other sights I can see glasses off are orange/red-ramp S&W sights or a red-dot

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[Eric_F]

Thanks, I'd forgotten about that compilation.

Is anyone using Truglo TFX frontsights? Thoughts?

I'm running the TFX Pro's on my P30. They're even longer than the factory Meprolights (so shortened sight radius I guess), but just as bright at night and way better in light. They match the factory POA, so the drive the dot target picture still bugs me, but overall I'm a fan. But I also haven't tried the HD's.

[JonInWA]

But maybe some of us like the factory mepro...
:(

I certainly do-and I've gotten them as OEM sights by choice on both my VP40 and P30L. They provide a very viable day- and night-sight picture in my opinion.

I find them to be eminently acquirable, and both of my HK achieve POA = POI. They're also comfortable to carry, not having the sharp/protrusive edges that I've seen some criticism on regarding the Trijicon HDs.

Best, Jon

[MSparks909]

I left the factory Mepro rear on my P30 and replaced the front with a .125W Dawson tritium sight (.155T). Same height and POA as stock sights, just a narrower front sight blade. I sharpied over the rear sight dots. In daytime, all I notice is the white ring around the front sight. But in lowlight or at night, I can still make out all 3 tritium dots, albeit the back ones are just dimmer.

[EVP]

For me a 10-8 .140 rear with their matching .110 fiber front is pretty ideal. I would prefer even a .100 but would have to go Dawson's route front for that. Dawson's fiber is brighter due to less obstruction but I rather have the 10-8s for carry plus I don't find it that detrimental. It is still plenty bright for me.

As for night sights, I prefer the ratio of 10-8 rear and a .125 tritium front. Heinies would work too. Trijicon HDs are to sharp for me and they are wider then I prefer. Have no experience with the new Vickers sights but people seem to like them. Wilsons sights also have 2 dot rear option.

[11B10]

Thanks, I'd forgotten about that compilation.

Is anyone using Truglo TFX frontsights? Thoughts?



Rich, two things come to mind for me. I'm 68 and THE sight color for me (front sight) is ORANGE. I thought it was because orange was always my favorite color, but, for MY eyes, orange is the one! The second thing is about TRUGLO TFX PROS. I had them on my SIG P320 C and absolutely loved them. Now, none of this is scientific (no "poles"😉), just my personal experience and opinion. YMMDV (your mileage may DEFINITELY vary).

[RJ]

I went ahead and put the glow in the dark HK sights back on. I'm mulling over just painting my rears black, but am on the hunt for a ideas on a good front sight. High on the shopping list are Orange color, highly visible, and a manageable price for two. Also need zero change in POI, so stock height. I'd love it if there was a balance for CCW and USPSA, since I'd want the same sight for my EDC P30SK as well as competition VP9.



Well, worth a shot for $2 at WalMart:

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I cleaned and then painted right over the glow in the dark dot. I like the orange color, seems bright enough. The "medium" tip of the Paint Pen allowed me to put just a dot of paint on the front sight.

Will see how this goes. :)

[RJ]

Well, worth a shot for $2 at WalMart:

...




Forgot to add: Appreciate Chuck_Whitlock for the suggestion.

:)

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[The Apprentice]

I like the .150 10-8 rear with a .115 dawson fiber front. As a side note the fiber front went on without much trouble.

[11B10]

Forgot to add: Appreciate Chuck_Whitlock for the suggestion.

:)

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Rich, I've another suggestion that I borrowed from Dave Spaulding. I used neon orange duct tape on my Glock G30-S. Cost me $2.99 @Wal-Mart - about a million sight apps per roll. I put it over top of my Ameriglos because even though the Ameriglos were great at night, I needed more in the daytime. So, I punched a hole in the tape "square" (to allow the tritium to shine through) I had cut and voila - I was GTG. Amazing how that tape sticks, even while cleaning.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Forgot to add: Appreciate Chuck_Whitlock for the suggestion.

:)

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I'm just passing on good info I got from someone else....most likely on this forum.......that happened to work out for me. Hopefully it works for you, too.
I seem to recall you saying something about reapplying the Sharpie to the rears.......if you like the effect but not the intervals, a black paint pen like the orange one ought to do the trick.

[RJ]

Try number two...bought two more colors, black and the 'Bright Orange'.

Did the rear sights in black. I think this is better than the sharpie and will last longer.

The Bright Orange is, well, brighter and I think I see it even better.

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[Antonius]

I have been carrying the VP9 since it came out and USPs before that. There are two very good options for having sights installed on H&K pistols that I have personally used.

First, have the H&K factory armorers do it. Call the factory service department for an RMA number and send your gun and sights in. Aftermarket sights are fine with H&K. If you ask they will zero them on their factory range with their ammo.

Second, Lazy Wolf Custom Guns has zeroed my 10-8 sights on my VP9s with my carry load while they have the gun in for custom work.

Hope this helps.

Tony


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[Trukinjp13]

Installed trijicon hd xr on my p30. Have been very happy with them over the 10-8 fiber setup I had.

I would love Ameriglo agents for it though. If available.


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[JodyH]

I like the Trijicon HD-XR front paired with a Wilson Vickers Battlesight rear.
High visibility front with a lower profile contoured rear.
:cool:
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[EVP]

I agree with the Wilson Vickers sights.


Really like the green front and yellow rears. Best night sight setup for the vp9/p30 in my opinion. I ratios work well for the p30L.


I also like 10-8 for fiber. .140 rear and .115 front.

[Pit]

I like the Trijicon HD-XR front paired with a Wilson Vickers Battlesight rear.
High visibility front with a lower profile contoured rear.
:cool:
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Any issue with the Trijicon front sight height working with the WC Battle Sight? Trijicon list the front sight height as 0.215.

JW

[Trukinjp13]

Any issue with the Trijicon front sight height working with the WC Battle Sight? Trijicon list the front sight height as 0.215.

JW

Ditto. I do like that rear more as well.


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[JodyH]

The Wilson rear is designed around a .225" front sight.
The .010" shorter HD front sight basically changes it from a "drive the dot" into more of a "top of the front post" POA/POI at 25Y.

[Trukinjp13]

The Wilson rear is designed around a .225" front sight.
The .010" shorter HD front sight basically changes it from a "drive the dot" into more of a "top of the front post" POA/POI at 25Y.

This is great information. Thank you. One of my big gripes has been the “drive the dot” with the triji setup


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[GJM]

The Wilson rear is designed around a .225" front sight.
The .010" shorter HD front sight basically changes it from a "drive the dot" into more of a "top of the front post" POA/POI at 25Y.

How sharp is the rear Wilson compared to an HD?

[ssb]

How sharp is the rear Wilson compared to an HD?

Butter knife vs. clinch pick, comparatively speaking.

The serrations are fairly dull. The rear of the sight is angled forward. The only pointy bits are the corners of the notch on my samples.

[kjr_29]

I agree with the Wilson Vickers sights.


Really like the green front and yellow rears. Best night sight setup for the vp9/p30 in my opinion. I ratios work well for the p30L.


I also like 10-8 for fiber. .140 rear and .115 front.

Rear tritium on the Wilson/Vickers for the HK are yellow? Three green dots messes with my mind in low light. Yellow would solve that.


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[EVP]

Yes they are yellow. Excellent sights for the vp9/p30.

[HCountyGuy]

I have 10-8 sights, tritium front and black rear. I painted the front sight post with a paint pen and it works well for me. I’m contemplating getting some of the Ledge sights Todd ran on his P30.

Crappy pic of my sights:

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[KPD]

The 10-8 rear and tritium front has become my favorite sights and what I have on my P30.
I bought the gun with these already installed and really didn’t think I would like them. That changed with the first range trip though.

[Balisong]

I like the Trijicon HD-XR front paired with a Wilson Vickers Battlesight rear.
High visibility front with a lower profile contoured rear.
:cool:
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That does seem like a great setup. Does anyone know if they make that same rear sight except square notch instead of U notch? Not a deal breaker but that's one thing I would change if possible

[einherjarvalk]

As far as I know, all of Wilson's rear sights have the U-notch. Dawson Precision has some that I think might be more to your liking. (https://dawsonprecision.com/dawson-precision-hk-45-45compact-p30-p30l-fixed-carry-tritium-rear-sights/)

I personally have Wilsons on both of my P30Ls. My "target" P30L V3 has a flat black rear and green FO front, which I'm considering changing to red. I also bought EVP's P30L V1 that he had outfitted with Wilson night sights, and I like them a fair bit too. The less distinct white outlines on the Wilsons compared to Ameriglo/Trijicon sets I've had in the past seems to help, and the subtle color difference is nice for low light (not that it matters much since it wears an X300U almost constantly).

One thing I'll note - Wilson's sights are actually set up for a "top of the front post" zero at 15 yards instead of a "drive the dot," according to a discussion I had with their support line before I outfitted my V3 with them.

That said, I'm strongly considering a set of suppressor-height sights at some point since I've got a threaded barrel headed my way whenever HK gets them in. I'll probably consider the Heinie Slant Pros once I decide which gun is going to wear the threaded barrel.

[kjr_29]

Yes they are yellow. Excellent sights for the vp9/p30.

Thank you!


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