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Mike C
06-09-2014, 06:49 PM
From someone who knows absolutely nothing about knives, how to employ, or carry one I thought this might be the appropriate place to ask a question. I have previously carried an Emerson CQC mini with wave feature for a few years, (mostly for utility purposes). I have recently decided to switch to a fix blade. I feel due to my lack of training, ease of employment and ability to purchase a trainer I felt this was the best move. I ended up purchasing a P. Moore knife since I was unable to attain a Clinch Pick.

So my question to anyone here is if you carry a similar knife what position are you carrying it? Ergo 11 o'clock, orientation such as handle up/down/canted, strong or weak hand access and your thoughts as to why it is beneficial. Presently I am carrying the handle up completely vertical between 11-12 o'clock. I also carry my firearm appendix, typically my PPS. My present thought process on this is that I have both strong and weak hand access to everything as well as the ability to retain everything in the event of a struggle with one hand/arm. Leaving one to fend and create space for access. I would appreciate any tips help or links to any information that might be helpful. I am also looking for trainers in the even someone has attended a reputable trainer that they can recommend.

I am presently considering South Narcs EWO if I can squeeze it in come November after his ECQC I am taking in October. Thanks.

JodyH
06-09-2014, 07:05 PM
Clinch Pick, just off center, angled down at 45 degrees, cutting edge up.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/20130927_153143_zps63c2bcf7.jpg

Mike C
06-09-2014, 07:46 PM
Are you running a pull the dot snap or a Tek Lock? My sheath came with a Kydex loop and Tek Lock, when trying to adjust the sheath downward the loop does not work well and the Tek Lock is a little to bulky for me. JodyH do you find your particular positioning of the knife to provide a greater economy of motion during draw and employment? I was thinking that this would be the best way to go for speed, ease of access for both strong and weak hand draw, plus you don't have to clear your garment as much as carrying vertically like I presently am. Minimizing motion and attention to the draw is certainly important in my opinion. I want to be able to present and employ as discretely as possible especially in a FUT.

JodyH
06-09-2014, 07:58 PM
I have a single pull the dot strap I use with some belts, with others it's the Tek-Lok.
Downward angled centerline is considered the best for access under the majority of crappy situations.
The only way to find your optimal position to to test it under pressure such as EWO, ECQC, IAJJ or mat time with a training partner.

Pic of my loop setup.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/20140609_191702_zpsjsriyfsg.jpg

Mike C
06-09-2014, 08:25 PM
I think you are correct on location, I am going to pickup some pull the dots. Thank you for the info, as always it is greatly appreciated.

JodyH
06-09-2014, 09:42 PM
And maybe the same Phoenix EWO in November?

SamuelBLong
06-09-2014, 10:39 PM
And maybe the same Phoenix EWO in November?

Lots of us all together. That's what makes it fun.

Mike C
06-09-2014, 10:44 PM
I hope to make it. I'll be sending an email out in just a few to find out about the slots.


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orionz06
06-09-2014, 11:02 PM
I use a soft loop on sheaths slightly differently than Jody does, mine is placed outside the belt. Here is the first image I could find comparing the loop to the Tek-Lok:

http://i.imgur.com/pIf0Zza.jpg

abu fitna
06-10-2014, 09:45 AM
Clinch pick, carried 1130 or so on weak hand side, stocks facing centerline for access by either hand. I am a bit unusual in that I prefer angle to be nearly horizontal to the belt line, owb; gives up a bit of grip on initial access but corrected during draw (even if opposed), but helps quite a bit with concealment for my body shape. I use a very slim rigid kydex clip (not tech lok, found that was too wide).

Mike C
06-10-2014, 10:53 AM
Thank you for all the responses so far everyone. Abu fitna, I too find issue with the Tek Lock. I think it is a great concept but it just doesn't seem to work well with my body type and mode of dress. Not to mention I can't get the angle I want because the predrilled holes don't match up with the sheath. Speaking of Tek Locks if anyone needs one or two just shoot me a PM. I am not asking for anything and I have two to spare, I will mail them out to anyone here in the US. Here is a photo below of what they look like.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a531/hkcoolaid/IMG_2072_zps69ff9772.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/hkcoolaid/media/IMG_2072_zps69ff9772.jpg.html)

Just out of curiosity does anyone have a BoB from P. Moore and a Clinch Pick? I am interested to know what the difference is in grip length. I might end up picking one up if the grip is significantly shorter. Reason being I am finding that in order to conceal the BoB at a downward cant that gives me ideal access to both strong and weak hand I have to run at less than a 45 degree angle. This is less than ideal for access on weak hand draw. I have to angle my hand by bending at the wrist which feels awkward and I feel compromises grip strength. I think a shorter grip would be more concealable and aid in achieving the angle I want to ease drawing.

Cecil Burch
06-10-2014, 11:52 AM
Just out of curiosity does anyone have a BoB from P. Moore and a Clinch Pick? I am interested to know what the difference is in grip length. I might end up picking one up if the grip is significantly shorter. Reason being I am finding that in order to conceal the BoB at a downward cant that gives me ideal access to both strong and weak hand I have to run at less than a 45 degree angle. This is less than ideal for access on weak hand draw. I have to angle my hand by bending at the wrist which feels awkward and I feel compromises grip strength. I think a shorter grip would be more concealable and aid in achieving the angle I want to ease drawing.


I don't have a picture since I don't own a BoB but there have been a number come through ECQC's I have been at as well as a couple that have appeared at some of my courses, so I have had the chance to do some comparisons.

The handle of the CP is noticeably shorter and a bit thicker than the Bob handle. THe Bob handle is a bit more like a standard handle where the CP has that odd "egg" shape that Craig found worked so well.

Mike C
06-10-2014, 12:12 PM
Mr. Burch have you seen a preference towards one or the other in your courses? In your personal experience or knowledge gleaned from others does the handle shape on the Clinch Pick aid in reducing grip slippage significantly over then more standard handle on the BoB? Also, do you think that the difference in grip length would aid significantly in concealment? I also send you a PM about the EWO class in AZ this November.

JodyH
06-10-2014, 12:13 PM
Lots of us all together. That's what makes it fun.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpYgpF1bqQ

orionz06
06-10-2014, 01:11 PM
I'm nobody in charge of nothing but I think the preference is overwhelmingly in favor of the Clinch Pick. Personally I prefer the handle shape and size as well as the edge. The slight curve on the CP makes for what I think is a stronger edge and point. That said, I can't see how, other than size, the BOB cannot replace the CP if needed. I have seen instances where I personally could not satisfactorily conceal a BOB but could a CP. Those instances were purely academic and just me tinkering with sheaths while I possessed the BOB.

Mike C
06-10-2014, 01:20 PM
Anyone have a line on the Clinch Picks? I can't seem to find one in stock anywhere. When I e-mailed them direct about a week back I was sent links to two vendors and was told they shipped and would be in stock soon. Yet I am unable to locate any in stock. I think I will pick up one for comparison if I can. Thanks for the comparison orion06.

JodyH
06-10-2014, 01:51 PM
"Official" Clinch Picks are extremely hard to find. The last shipment TAD got in only lasted a few hours.
Ban Tang makes a really nice CP.
That said, your BOB is a damn nice version in its own right, you just need to experiment with carry methods to find one that works for you.

Mike C
06-10-2014, 03:29 PM
Agreed, the BoB is excellent quality to say the least. I am very happy with my purchase but would like to find a Clinch pick for evaluation/comparison purposes.

Cecil Burch
06-10-2014, 05:34 PM
Mr. Burch have you seen a preference towards one or the other in your courses? In your personal experience or knowledge gleaned from others does the handle shape on the Clinch Pick aid in reducing grip slippage significantly over then more standard handle on the BoB? Also, do you think that the difference in grip length would aid significantly in concealment? I also send you a PM about the EWO class in AZ this November.

Pretty much what orionz06 said. There is a definite preference for the CP, even by those who have had a BoB but get the chance to handle/run a CP. And the handle of the CP is very much a deeply thought out design that makes for a maximum positive grip while keeping the footprint as small as possible.

As for a "significant" difference in concealment, I would have to say that it would be very much an individual thing. For me, I can say the CP conceals somewhat better than a BoB, but I would not go as far as to say it is significant. Some people with a different build or body type may feel differently. I prefer the CP handle less for the better concealment and more for how great and positive the grip feels in use.

None of that is to say that the BoB is not a very good and useful blade.

I am responding to your PM in just a second.

NickA
06-10-2014, 09:11 PM
Apologies, these pictures are awful but I have house guests and stomach flu so I'm just trying to survive :cool:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/2e2evy7y.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/quvapy3e.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/8ajara9u.jpg

Agree with what everyone else said: nothing at all wrong with the BoB, but the CP just has the little touches that make it a better package.

SamuelBLong
06-10-2014, 09:29 PM
I'll add that the only knives that surpass the CP in terms of grip shape & retention are made by Ian Wendt of Special Circumstances. Ian designs his grips so that once you lock onto it, there is absolutely no wiggle of the blade in the hand, can't say that for the CP or the BOB, even though they're pretty good.

Mike C
06-10-2014, 11:20 PM
Those are not awful, I appreciate your willingness to suffer through and snap those pictures. That was exactly what I was looking for. I see exactly what JodyH and Mr. Burch are saying about the egg shaped handle. I imagine it is quite helpful in maintaining a solid grip. I just need to find one so I have a chance to check them both out and see what works best. You are a huge help NickA with those pictures, certainly worth a 1,000 words, thanks again.

Mr. Burch thanks for the input as well. I tried to respond to your PM but you've exceeded your limit. You are a popular man. I'll try sending it again tomorrow.

SamuelBLong, I just heard about Special Circumstances off of Ballistic Radio the other day, thanks for the mention I will look at them as well. I definitely need to get my hands on a few more knives before I settle on any one thing. Are you running anything from Ian right now? If so any chance at some pictures?

Looking at the Clinch Pick can anyone verify the steel, my search came up with 12C27 steel which I read does not hold as fine of an edge like the tool grade steel the BoB uses but is less prone to rust. I feel like being less prone to rust would be a good thing since it is going to be worn up against the body and I sweat like a pig when its 108 degrees outside.

SamuelBLong
06-11-2014, 04:32 AM
These two are of my current special circumstances knife. I'm told the only other like it belongs to a well known trainer & mentor of mine.

I have a push dagger and a maleficus XL on order with Ian and should be done in a month or so. Ian will also being a minor regrind and reconfiguration of edge geometry on the china pick to optimize the sharpness and cutting ability.

Look closely at the finger choil and the flats of the grip on the blade side of them. That's what really isolates any of his knives in the hand vs the CP.

If you can get in on the Ballistic Radio run, that's a great way to get an awesome knife without having to place a custom order and wait. I practically live down the street from Ian, and I still have to wait just like everyone else.


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/yha6yrur.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/a2yhyhe3.jpg

Note the gap between the CP and my hand "meat". That's what allows for shifting.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/5uge5uge.jpg

How it sits on my batman belt:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/esasa8ev.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/yta8u6em.jpg


Apologies on the less than stellar photos, but it's 3:28 AM here and I just got in from a long day of working at the SO and then going on a date (yes it went well..whoop whoop! Go me.)

JodyH
06-11-2014, 07:04 AM
My P'Kal's
Spyderco, Clinch Pick, Maleficus, Viking.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p82/JodyHuggins/20140609_152458_zpsbfhudlu7.jpg (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/JodyHuggins/media/20140609_152458_zpsbfhudlu7.jpg.html)

Irelander
04-02-2015, 02:28 PM
Re-awakening this thread.

I finally got myself a Clinch Pick. I ordered a Bravo Unit from CCDefense.com. I experimented with the mini-Teklok but found that the CP riding on the outside of my belt caused way too much printing. I grabbed a single soft loop that I had laying around and affixed it in such a way as to ride under the belt and still at a 45 degree angle. Rides nice and tight now with no printing. Great blade and a great way to carry a knife AOWB. Super comfy...I pretty much forget its there.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47624012/SW%20CP%20002.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47624012/SW%20CP%20001.JPG

I also removed some unnecessary material from the kydex sheath.