CZ P07 First Impressions

[Wheeler]

I picked up a NIB P07 today, I will try to get a range report in later in the week before jlw gets his grubby mitts on it. Here's a few first impressions in no particular order.

The ergonomics are good, even with a screwed up strong hand grip like mine. Mine came with the front dot sight and a white outline rear. I'll be doing some coloring soon as I don't personally care for either. I like the pads on either side of the frame for thumbs forward shooting. It's a nice tactile reference point.

The double action is a bit stiff, as expected from a new gun. I'm thinking it will be a little more shooter friendly after a few hundred rounds and dry fire iterations.

If you're a reset shooter you'll probably not care for the length of reset. It felt long to me. Much longer than a Glock with stock parts.

Mine is the safety only version. It did not come with parts to make it a DA/SA with a decocker. I asked the owner of the LGS and he said that's how it was shipped. I'll probably contact CZ-USA as I'd prefer a decocker on mine. The package states it is the P07 Duty, Safety Only. I've not been able to find any reference to this particular package with a quick search. It's quite possible it doesn't ship with the aforementioned parts.

The gun had some minor scratches on the slide. I didn't catch them in the store when I was examining it. I recall seeing a Youtube review which mentioned finish issues as well. We'll see how it holds up to Kydex.

I walked out the door $513 poorer with the pistol, two 16 round magazines and two 16 round MecGar CZ-75 magazines. We checked in the store and the MecGars protruded from the base about 1/4" and were slightly loose. They did fit otherwise and would lock the slide back.

I'm hoping to get a few rounds through it in the next couple of days as well as some pictures.

[Stephen]

That safety-only thing is weird. I thought they all shipped from the factory in the decocker configuration. Hopefully CZ-USA helps you get it set up for DA/SA.

It sounds like you got the pre-2014 version, is that the case? Presence or lack of front slide serrations/replaceable backstraps is the most obvious indication. If you got the old version, the slide finish is crap.

Are you going to keep the internals stock? I know CGW claims to be able to cut the reset in half with some of their parts.

Enjoy your new toy.

[jlw]

I'll get my grubby hands on it this weekend thank you very much!!

[Wheeler]

That safety-only thing is weird. I thought they all shipped from the factory in the decocker configuration. Hopefully CZ-USA helps you get it set up for DA/SA.

It sounds like you got the pre-2014 version, is that the case? Presence or lack of front slide serrations/replaceable backstraps is the most obvious indication. If you got the old version, the slide finish is crap.

Are you going to keep the internals stock? I know CGW claims to be able to cut the reset in half with some of their parts.

Enjoy your new toy.

It does not have front slide serrations or replaceable backstraps. I thought, based on what I had read that they all shipped with the parts. I'll touch base with CZ-USA tomorrow and see if it can be rectified.

As of right now I plan to keep it stock. I've looked at the CGW page thanks to jlw's input and master level google-fu abilities. I'm on a budget with this project so it's going to remain as low dollar as possible.

Speaking of jlw, I sincerely hope to not get lost enroute to the super-secret squirrel range Saturday. ;-)

[Wheeler]

A few pictures. Still no range trip yet. :(

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/Wheeler686/CZ/DE16C403-E989-4922-9160-6BEF8776BDB9_zpsolpo8tab.jpg (http://s600.photobucket.com/user/Wheeler686/media/CZ/DE16C403-E989-4922-9160-6BEF8776BDB9_zpsolpo8tab.jpg.html)

The scratches on the slide.
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In a makeshift holster until I can get something suitable made.
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The one thing that I didn't pay close enough attention to was holster availability. Holsters are hard to come by for the P07 to begin with, lefty holsters are virtually nonexistent...

[Kyle Reese]

JM offers holsters for the P 07.

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[Stephen]

High Noon has a wide range of holsters for the P-07 if you prefer leather. Blade-Tech also has LH holsters. You could check out the CZ forum for more info on various custom shops that do P-07 holsters.

[jlw]

JM offers holsters for the P 07.

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Maybe he'll listen whou YOU tell him that...

[Wheeler]

Maybe he'll listen whou YOU tell him that...

Huh? Whassat?

I neglected to include I was was looking for a retention holster similar to the ALS.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

[GJM]

Looks like a pre 2014 P07.

[45dotACP]

A truth: If my gunshop/local haunt had any P-07's in stock, My bank account would be short the cost of a brand new CZ and some CGW parts...and a holster....and mags....

Oh dear, I suppose it's a good thing they don't have any in stock. Nice looking pistol though! Can't wait to hear how it shoots. :D

[Stephen]

Looks like a pre 2014 P07.

Its definitely one of the first generation, but the 2014 mark is clearly visible. I guess they were still making them that way into January.

[Wheeler]

Its definitely one of the first generation, but the 2014 mark is clearly visible. I guess they were still making them that way into January.

According to the reply to the email I sent CZ asking about the sights and conversion kit for the decocker parts they said it was a special run for Gander Mountain that included a taclight. That wasn't in the box either...

[JohnN]

Just got a new model P07, so far it's functioning well after 250rds of PMC and Fiocchi FMJ.
D/A is around 10lb and fairly smooth, S/A is 3.5lbs with quite a bit of creep. Installed CGW sights .095 front fiber optic and .125 black rear notch. Sight picture is quick to pick up, only concern is the durability of the front sight. The only problem so far is the slide release eating my support hand thumb, I'm slowly trimming it to alleviate the issue.

Before buying this gun I got a good deal on a used DUTY P 07. Loved the way it handled in general but didn't love the cosmetics or the sights. Digested 400rds. without issue.

I believe the new P 07 will go to Cajun Gunworks for some trigger work specifically shorter reset.

[Sasage]

Hoping to pick one of these soon. Good looking gun.

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[GJM]

Just got a new model P07, so far it's functioning well after 250rds of PMC and Fiocchi FMJ.
D/A is around 10lb and fairly smooth, S/A is 3.5lbs with quite a bit of creep. Installed CGW sights .095 front fiber optic and .125 black rear notch. Sight picture is quick to pick up, only concern is the durability of the front sight. The only problem so far is the slide release eating my support hand thumb, I'm slowly trimming it to alleviate the issue.

Before buying this gun I got a good deal on a used DUTY P 07. Loved the way it handled in general but didn't love the cosmetics or the sights. Digested 400rds. without issue.

I believe the new P 07 will go to Cajun Gunworks for some trigger work specifically shorter reset.

John, does the SA trigger have creep or just take up?

[Lot2Learn]

I remember shooting one about a year ago. I think I would have to agree with Mr. Mike Pannone, it is the best gun that no one knows about. I have been carrying a Glock 19 for about 4 years or so now and I tend to like guns that size. The gun is accurate as most CZ's are and I found it very easy to shoot. The sights track well for me, although the stock sights are not good(but I haven't found stock sights I like, either). I don't even mind that it is a TDA. I find that I don't have to shoot striker fired guns only. I would say for the price, It would be hard to beat. Finding aftermarket support seems to be getting easier. Everyone and their mother is starting to shoot a CZ in some form or another at the USPSA club matches I attend. I think I even like the P07 better than the p09. That is just me though...

Bottom line, I would not hesitate to recommend that gun if someone were looking for an affordable and practical pistol. I am a bit surprised I don't have one yet, but I can't have all the guns I want, now can I?

[Wheeler]

I had intentions of getting out this week and running some accuracy/function drills but working nights and personal commitments kept getting in the way. I decided to test the gun at our local IDPA match cold. To further push the gun's abilities I used a mix of Tula and Wolf 115 grain ball. Here are my observations and thoughts.

The pistol points very naturally in my hands, which is a good thing as the stock sights suck. They are functional but I'll definitely look at options to upgrade. For now I'll probably black out the rear and paint the front.
The double action trigger will take some practice to get used to. It's not overly heavy or long in my opinion but I had a hard time finding the break. I see plenty of dryfire and one shot draws in my future.
The CZ-75 magazines by MecGar worked very well. At half the cost of the P07 mags I will definitely pick up several more.
The P07 cycled flawlessly with both Wolf and Tula ammo. I'll field strip the gun later and see how it looks internally. The round count for the match was around 130ish. Not a definitive test but a good start.
I was using an IWB holster for the match. Twice my shirt hung up in the holster and flipped the safety on. I will be getting the decocker kit installed before I consider using this pistol as a carry piece.
In the current IDPA trend of emulating USPSA by placing the shooter in odd, uncomfortable positions to shoot our match had a stage in which the shooter shot dominant hand around the opposite side of cover performed a Tac reload, swapped hands and shot around the opposite side. This placed the pistol in a nearly horizontal position while shooting. Once again, no feed issues.
Recoil was very manageable.
Reloads, while slowly executed were simple thanks to the bevel on the mags and the wider profile of the P07 mag well.
We had one stage that placed targets at 35 yards. I had a hard time keeping my hits on paper at that range. The strange trigger, short sight radius conspired against me. Once again, I feel that with time and practice that will improve drastically.
I've got a couple of videos I'll try to upload later this week.

[JohnN]

John, does the SA trigger have creep or just take up?

Actually it has both, oddly enough the the original P 07 DUTY had less creep. According to David at CGW their hammer will make the Single action crisp but not really reduce the take up.


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[Tamara]

I didn't look to see, but one thing I remember about CZs is that they tend to have really, extremely, excessively positive sear engagement, to the point that when pulling the trigger in SA, you can see the hammer travel rearward quite visibly before the sear breaks. Do they still do that?

[Matt O]

I didn't look to see, but one thing I remember about CZs is that they tend to have really, extremely, excessively positive sear engagement, to the point that when pulling the trigger in SA, you can see the hammer travel rearward quite visibly before the sear breaks. Do they still do that?

Yes, the steel non-competition variants, 75B & SP-01, all seem to have excessive sear engagement with their stock hammers. One of the very first things I did with my SP-01 was to switch the hammer out for a milled down shadow version.

I'd be very curious to hear if this issue is also commonplace with the P-07's and P-09's.

[JohnN]

I didn't look to see, but one thing I remember about CZs is that they tend to have really, extremely, excessively positive sear engagement, to the point that when pulling the trigger in SA, you can see the hammer travel rearward quite visibly before the sear breaks. Do they still do that?

Just checked both P 07's and neither hammer moves when pulling the trigger.

[Wheeler]

Neither does mine.

[Kyle Reese]

My P-09 doesn't

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[jlw]

I didn't look to see, but one thing I remember about CZs is that they tend to have really, extremely, excessively positive sear engagement, to the point that when pulling the trigger in SA, you can see the hammer travel rearward quite visibly before the sear breaks. Do they still do that?


Yes, the steel non-competition variants, 75B & SP-01, all seem to have excessive sear engagement with their stock hammers. One of the very first things I did with my SP-01 was to switch the hammer out for a milled down shadow version.

I'd be very curious to hear if this issue is also commonplace with the P-07's and P-09's.


Just checked both P 07's and neither hammer moves when pulling the trigger.


Neither does mine.


My P-09 doesn't

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Don't the P-07 and P-09 have the Omega trigger?

[GJM]

Don't the P-07 and P-09 have the Omega trigger?

Yes

[Matt O]

Don't the P-07 and P-09 have the Omega trigger?

Yes, but I think the excessive sear engagement is usually a result of CZ's fondness for gigantic hammer hooks more than a function of the trigger mechanism itself. That's, at least, my layman's understanding of things...

[balance]

As I understand it, the pistols with the Omega trigger don't cam the hammer back as much as the pistols with the original CZ-75 trigger mechanism.

[Wheeler]

Welp, I shot the IDPA Classifier with the P07 today. This puts me right around the 420 round mark. Somewhere close to the middle of Stage Two I had my first malfunction. The slide had cycled but not gone into battery. After removing the magazine and wrestling the slide open I discovered the cartridge case was wrinkled and the mouth of the case had folded about halfway down the actual bullet on one side. I didn't think to take a picture and tossed the offending cartridge over the berm.

Within a few rounds the same thing happened again. This one didn't mangle the case but there is a spot on the case where it rubbed against the chamber hard. I replaced the cartridge in the magazine making it number three down and it did it again. Upon closer examination I noticed the primer was not fully seated. Ammo was the Tula brass cased 115 grain ball. Jlw and I both feel these were ammo related malfunctions and not the gun or magazines.

In other news the classifier I ran was one of the cleanest in regards to points down I've ever shot. I didn't push myself much on this one as I was shooting it to test the gun more so than myself. I already know I suck lately. :-)

I think it's time to clean the P07.

[Serpico1985]

Wheeler,

I dissessemabled the fire control parts of my 07 in anticipation of getting my Cajun Gunworks parts in next week. I found a lot of gold spec's or dots inside the fire control parts. I don't have any idea what they were. Gunk from the factory maybe. Anyway when you get yours cleaned up let me know if you find this as well.

Thanks

[Wheeler]

Wheeler,

I dissessemabled the fire control parts of my 07 in anticipation of getting my Cajun Gunworks parts in next week. I found a lot of gold spec's or dots inside the fire control parts. I don't have any idea what they were. Gunk from the factory maybe. Anyway when you get yours cleaned up let me know if you find this as well.

Thanks

Will do. Thanks for the headsup.

[Wheeler]

I did not disassemble mine to the point of taking the guts out of it. I did perform a visual inspection of the trigger group and didn't see anything but a little powder residue and crud. The slotted area in front of the plunger was full of crud. I don't have a punch small enough to remove the firing pin retaining pin so that and the extractor didn't get addressed at this time. I'll leave that go for the next cleaning. The plastic sights are already showing signs of wear. The white outline on the rear sight is starting to come off, the rear top edge is starting to fray, for lack of a better term and the top of the front sight is no longer perfectly square. I see a new set of metal sights in the future as well.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/Wheeler686/CZ/F8AF6223-072D-47D7-BFAE-ADA63EAD7056_zpsa8oa8cs6.jpg (http://s600.photobucket.com/user/Wheeler686/media/CZ/F8AF6223-072D-47D7-BFAE-ADA63EAD7056_zpsa8oa8cs6.jpg.html)

[1986s4]

I am just over 1200 rounds into a 2000 round test. At my pace it will be a few more months until I break 2000. So far so good, one stoppage on a drill where one charges the pistol then removes the mag. I do this often to check for recoil anticipation. The case stove piped. No broken parts. I replaced the stock plastic Glock copy sights with CZ sold NS before the test. I have come to expect excellent accuracy with all ammunition.

Only negative in my opinion is the cost of magazines, into the HK realm.

[Matt O]

I replaced the stock plastic Glock copy sights with CZ sold NS before the test. I have come to expect excellent accuracy with all ammunition.

Only negative in my opinion is the cost of magazines, into the HK realm.

What are the dimensions of the CZ NS if you don't mind me asking?

I finally had the chance to get some live fire in with the P-07 yesterday. I would agree that it's definitely an accurate and shootable pistol. The stock sight set up is way too crowded, but given POI was approximately right at the tip of the front sight blade at 25 yards (124 gr Aguila), I think I'll just replace the rear with something wider and call it a day.

I was pretty limited in what I could do with it since I don't have a holster or really any gear, so I mainly just shot some 25 yard slow fire and then went a few rounds on the plate rack. Despite having limited trigger dry practice with the P-07, it wasn't difficult to put up scores in the mid 90's at 25 yards. It's a pretty inherently shootable pistol as most CZ's are. The limitations of the sights became pretty apparent on the plate rack though and resulted in either slow clean runs or fast misses.

Hopefully Mec-Gar will step up and offer some magazine options at a more reasonable rate. Mag pouches for regular cz mags, sig mags, etc., are too tight and don't play well with P-series mags unfortunately. In a pinch, I found kytex glock pouches work ok with the P-07 mags, but I wouldn't necessarily use them for carry as they are somewhat loose in terms of fit.

[1986s4]

My non-digital calipers tell me that the front sight measures .120 in width and the rear notch measures just under .120 . I find this a shoot-able combination. At under 15 yard distances the inherent pointability of the design aids in speed. My middle age eyes would love something wider in the rear but I find head shots on an IDPA target at 25 yards a very repeatable task.
I just got a .140 wide rear notch on my Colt [a 10-8 design]. Wish this was an option for the CZ..

[TElmer2]

For those of you wondering about mag pouches and the like for the P-series CZ. M&P pouches should work just fine. I was just at a Pannone class and the CZ and M&P mags are almost identical. Mr. Pannone made mention that the M&P mags will actually lock into the CZ. Just a tip.

After shooting one this last weekend I am definitely going to pick one up. The trigger was excellent, and even with "fixing it up" a shooter would still be into this gun for way less than a P30(which I currently shoot). I have been wanting a DA/SA for a while and the P-07 will definitely be my foray into that type of trigger. Regardless of the trigger, I think that CZ hit one out of the park with this firearm and is probably the "sleeper" on the market for right now.

[GJM]

For those who have shot both, I am very curious how you compare the P07 to a P01? I find the P01 the best shooting, smallish pistol I have shot. How does the thickness of the upper part of each grip feel -- I assume the 07 is a smidge thinner since it doesn't have grip panels. My P01 laser grips started acting up this morning and I need to call CT.

[guymontag]

For those who have shot both, I am very curious how you compare the P07 to a P01?

Seconded.

I recall a forum member on M4C preferred the plastic P series for how they tracked, and even posted a video comparing the two.

[GJM]

I ordered a P07 from CZ Custom this afternoon, through Stuart. They only recommended a trigger job and sights. They charge $130 for the trigger job, but their own sights are still in process and not yet available.

[guymontag]

P.S. Would any P07 owner be kind enough to show a picture or provide a description of the magwell?

[Matt O]

P.S. Would any P07 owner be kind enough to show a picture or provide a description of the magwell?

Here you go...

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The mag well is basically the same size as the G19's. I included the picture of the magazines themselves so you can see how much more tapered the CZ mags are compared with glock mags. I think that's a key factor in terms of how easy it is to reload at speed.

[GJM]

Do you think the P07 reloads as easy as a SP01 Shadow?

Is Cajun the only source of sights with their FO -- any tritium front choices?

[Matt O]

Do you think the P07 reloads as easy as a SP01 Shadow?

Is Cajun the only source of sights with their FO -- any tritium front choices?

I haven't timed anything with the P-07 yet since I don't really have any gear for it. To be honest I doubt I'll be as fast with it given I always lose speed when working with smaller sized mags. That said, one could always speed reload with P-09 or the regular 17 round CZ mags. I did use the regular CZ mags a bit with the P-07 for live fire yesterday. They're even thinner than the actual P-07 mags, enough that it's pretty hard to miss the mag well opening, though again I wasn't running speed reloads on the clock.

CZ USA is the only source of night sights at the moment. The problem is the rear notch width is .120 which sucks. Dawson makes a .140 width rear sight you could pair with a NS front, but sans tritium. I think it's going to take a bit of time yet for the market to catch up, though I do hope that we see more offerings for CZ's across the board.

[guymontag]

Thanks Matt!

[GJM]

I haven't timed anything with the P-07 yet since I don't really have any gear for it. To be honest I doubt I'll be as fast with it given I always lose speed when working with smaller sized mags. That said, one could always speed reload with P-09 or the regular 17 round CZ mags. I did use the regular CZ mags a bit with the P-07 for live fire yesterday. They're even thinner than the actual P-07 mags, enough that it's pretty hard to miss the mag well opening, though again I wasn't running speed reloads on the clock.

CZ USA is the only source of night sights at the moment. The problem is the rear notch width is .120 which sucks. Dawson makes a .140 width rear sight you could pair with a NS front, but sans tritium. I think it's going to take a bit of time yet for the market to catch up, though I do hope that we see more offerings for CZ's across the board.

So a CZ tritium front with the Dawson rear should work POI and have reasonable width in the rear sight? Is the thinking a CZ75 mag works reliably in the 07 as a reload or is the P09 mag preferred for the reload? Does Mec-Gar make the 7/9 factory magazines?

[Wheeler]

Here's sort of an odd question. As always there's a back story.

I bought the P07 to fill the role of a pistol with a WML. My intention is to place a TLR1-HL on the pistol. That being the case, are night sights even necessary with the WML? I've always ran a handheld in a modificated Harries to this point.

[Matt O]

So a CZ tritium front with the Dawson rear should work POI and have reasonable width in the rear sight? Is the thinking a CZ75 mag works reliably in the 07 as a reload or is the P09 mag preferred for the reload? Does Mec-Gar make the 7/9 factory magazines?

I just got my .140 width Dawson rear in and fit to the dovetail. I also painted the front dot orange and ended up with the following result. I'm decently happy with it so far. The second picture unfortunately makes the light bars appear slightly larger than they are. The sight picture is very similar to Defoor sights on a G19 if that gives a sense of proportion.

The stock front was top of blade POA/POI at 25 yards for me with 124 gr ammo, so you could swap out the front for a tritium and run a plain .140 dawson rear for a poor man's version of Hack sights.

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[Serpico1985]

I jumped the gun and ordered a CGW FO sight set thinking the only available tritium option was mepro's (which I don't like). Found the CZ tritium front and wil probably pair that with a Dawson rear (because they offer a wider notch) and send the CGW's back. I can't stomach carrying a gun san's at least a tritium front.

The stock #3 front sight shots about 2" high at 25 yards with 115gr WWB for me which I'm good with FYI.

First 5 shots marked with sharpie.
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[1986s4]

As for reloading:
At close to 2000 total rounds on my B series P-07 I find the pistol easy to load fast.... For me. During break in I was required to hit the slide catch to drop the slide. As of a few hundred rounds ago the slide auto-forwards when the mag is inserted quickly with at least 8 rounds. With at least 10 rounds I can count on it. Personally I like this feature.

[GJM]

As for reloading:
At close to 2000 total rounds on my B series P-07 I find the pistol easy to load fast.... For me. During break in I was required to hit the slide catch to drop the slide. As of a few hundred rounds ago the slide auto-forwards when the mag is inserted quickly with at least 8 rounds. With at least 10 rounds I can count on it. Personally I like this feature.

Caution, auto forwarding is one of those things that folks do privately, but don't admit to publically, without risking universal condemnation.

[guymontag]

I looked at the P-07/9 series in person today.

I liked the magwell, texturing, and trigger... however the pistol felt too slim in the hand, reminiscent of my experience with the Walther P99. My support hand had less contact with the side of the gun, as though there were an air bubble or gap between my hand and the grip. I may be too accustomed to the rounded removable grips of the 75B and P-01. Anyone else know of or felt what I've described?

Either way, I passed on it for now.

[Wheeler]

I looked at the P-07/9 series in person today.

I liked the magwell, texturing, and trigger... however the pistol felt too slim in the hand, reminiscent of my experience with the Walther P99. My support hand had less contact with the side of the gun, as though there were an air bubble or gap between my hand and the grip. I may be too accustomed to the rounded removable grips of the 75B and P-01. Anyone else know of or felt what I've described?

Either way, I passed on it for now.because I can't bend the first joint of my trigger finger my strong hand has a slight cup or bubble when holding a pistol. Granted this is something I grew up with and have learned to deal with but I don't find it to be an issue.

[revchuck]

I didn't look to see, but one thing I remember about CZs is that they tend to have really, extremely, excessively positive sear engagement, to the point that when pulling the trigger in SA, you can see the hammer travel rearward quite visibly before the sear breaks. Do they still do that?
I've got two -75Bs ('96 and '06 production), both with trigger jobs by Matt Mink, and it's barely perceptible. I think it was more evident prior to the trigger work.

[guymontag]

because I can't bend the first joint of my trigger finger my strong hand has a slight cup or bubble when holding a pistol. Granted this is something I grew up with and have learned to deal with but I don't find it to be an issue.

I've experienced that cup/bubble before with whichever hand is the primary in shooting the pistol.

When I gripped the P-07, my support hand did not make as much contact (as much as I would have liked) as my lower part of the heel of the palm made little contact. It felt as though the grip possessed an indentation in the middle. It may be my anatomy or my psychology, I only wanted to see if y'all experienced a lack of real estate on the frame.

Although I know I could futz around with the backstraps and/or griptape... I'm simply not interested in a $500 experiment when my metal CZ's are functioning fine. Now if someone in the Central Texas area has one they would like to show off I would love to put a few rounds through it. ;)

[Wheeler]

I've experienced that cup/bubble before with whichever hand is the primary in shooting the pistol.

When I gripped the P-07, my support hand did not make as much contact (as much as I would have liked) as my lower part of the heel of the palm made little contact. It felt as though the grip possessed an indentation in the middle. It may be my anatomy or my psychology, I only wanted to see if y'all experienced a lack of real estate on the frame.

Although I know I could futz around with the backstraps and/or griptape... I'm simply not interested in a $500 experiment when my metal CZ's are functioning fine. Now if someone in the Central Texas area has one they would like to show off I would love to put a few rounds through it. ;)

If ever you're in Georgia mine is available. :-)

My support hand just fits comfortably. I actually find myself preferring the slightly longer CZ-75 magazines for that extra bit of purchase but don't notice a difference in performance between those and the P07 magazines.

[guymontag]

If ever you're in Georgia mine is available. :-)

My support hand just fits comfortably. I actually find myself preferring the slightly longer CZ-75 magazines for that extra bit of purchase but don't notice a difference in performance between those and the P07 magazines.

I don't know about Georgia. ;)

On magazines - While I was perusing the LGS I did ask to try out different magazines in the P-07 in which the clerk complied. The CZ 75B magazines fit relatively snugly, but the CZ P-01 OEM magazines rattled around until falling out when the orientation was perfect to do so. Now the CZ P-01 Mec-Gar magazines fit relatively snugly as well (a bit different geometry). Obviously no live fire was conducted.

I wanted to mention this as magazine interchangeability is a point of contention floating in the P-07 world. It appears 75B style magazines do not work until they do, or vice versa.

[Wheeler]

I don't know about Georgia. ;)

On magazines - While I was perusing the LGS I did ask to try out different magazines in the P-07 in which the clerk complied. The CZ 75B magazines fit relatively snugly, but the CZ P-01 OEM magazines rattled around until falling out when the orientation was perfect to do so. Now the CZ P-01 Mec-Gar magazines fit relatively snugly as well (a bit different geometry). Obviously no live fire was conducted.

I wanted to mention this as magazine interchangeability is a point of contention floating in the P-07 world. It appears 75B style magazines do not work until they do, or vice versa.

I have three MecGar CZ75 magazines that have provided me good service so far. As a matter of fact, the OEM P07 magazines have shown a slight weak point in that the bases have moved when dropped. No such weakness in the MecGar magazines at this time.

On a tangential note, the DA trigger on mine has become much easier to manipulate over the past 200 or so iterations of dryfire. My thanks to Ernest Langdon for his videos. My dryfire practice has consisted of a pressout with a trigger break at extension. My target is a 1" dot at 6'. I'm hoping to get some live fire Friday to see how that translates to a 6" plate at 20 yards.

[Up1911Fan]

After reading all the threads I've decided I need a CZ to mess around with. Deciding between a P01 and P07 now.

[GJM]

After reading all the threads I've decided I need a CZ to mess around with. Deciding between a P01 and P07 now.

I have a few P01's now, and a P07 on the way.

P01 can use full size magazines (MecGar) for the reload. The MecGar P01 mags have a sharp base plate that digs my little finger (haven't died modifying them). I just got Wolff + springs for the stock CZ P01 magazines. The P07 factory magazines appear very well made, and I wouldn't be surprised if MecGar makes them.

The P07 may have a better decocker location than the P01. The P07 supposedly has fewer parts and easier disassembly. The P01 has factory laser grips that are wonderful. Haven't felt the grip of the P07 enough to compare with the P07. The P01 shoots like a 90-95% scale SP01 Shadow. The P01 slide seems thinner than the P07. The P01 is a wonderful size carry pistol that shoots like a much larger pistol.

[GJM]

One more thought, the P01 has a wonderful magwell shape, making for very fast reloads. Haven't tried the P07.

[Up1911Fan]

About what I was thinking. Probably gonna end up with an SP-01 Tactical and a P-01.

[JMS]

Bowed to electronic peer pressure. Got word about a P07 on consignment, nabbed it for $400. Shows as made Jan 2013. I'd have expected to find some signs of it having been fired.....nope. This has sat for over a year, with the factory lube/preservative still oozing out of its nooks, crannies and pores.

This is out of the box, first 10 rounds, ssssslllllloooooowwwww freehand @ 25yd, lollipop with original craptastic sights (same configuration as factory Glocks), using Hotshot Elite 124gr -- Slovak stuff, pretty sure it's from the same lines that produce S&B. If not, damned close... Grids on target are .5". Photobucket's showing it out of true, should be 90* counter-clockwise.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx287/santoro0313/20140508CZP07.jpg (http://s764.photobucket.com/user/santoro0313/media/20140508CZP07.jpg.html)

First impressions = Eh, it's okay...I guess... :p

Our USPSA club lets those of us who do setup on match-weekend Saturdays shoot our match once steel's calibrated and movers are configured. Thinking I may swap sights for something metal, with a slightly taller, fiber front, shot AIWB Limited on the day of, cough up $5 to shoot Production with this heap on Sundays. For now, the rear's blacked out, the front painted orange. It'll do until something worthwhile in fiber comes forward.

[Gary1911A1]

Still waiting on my P-07 to get here. My Dealer said it would have to come from the factory when I know I can order one through a member of another forum who will do a trigger job with Cajan Gun Work Parts.:mad:

[imp1295]

Between this thread and the 17 pager over at M4C...I need to find one of these to rent or just shoot. Any Central Texans playing with a P-07 these days?

[guymontag]

Wheeler, clear your inbox por favor. ;)


Between this thread and the 17 pager over at M4C...I need to find one of these to rent or just shoot. Any Central Texans playing with a P-07 these days?

No one responded when I asked that question a page ago - ergo, I did what any reasonable man would do... :cool:

[klewis]

Question: For anyone who has tried the safety option, is the safety lever on these "ride-able" like a 1911? It looks very flush to the frame, with only a small ridge protruding. I do like the position, from all appearances, though.

[Serpico1985]

Yes you can ride the safety on the 09/07 like a 1911

[guymontag]

P-07, 2014 Version, Gen. 2

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image4_zps57d6aa62.jpeg

Test target included, however this one is completed at fifteen metres - not twenty five like my 75B. I have yet to verify the POA/POI.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image5_zps5c0e41fa.jpeg

"Simplified" omega trigger system:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image6_zps4ff205bb.jpeg

[guymontag]

Rails are incorporated into the locking block area and rear fire control group housing. Quite a bit less rail area than the P-01 and 75B series...

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image7_zpsab7afe21.jpeg

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image8_zpsadb1d586.jpeg

The magwell is spacious, and possesses a different contour than the beveled metal frames:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image9_zps9abed7c1.jpeg

Magazines are slightly larger than the 75 magazines and exhibit a smooth finish.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image10_zpsaff0f86e.jpeg

[guymontag]

Cold hammer forged barrel.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image11_zps88d86cc6.jpeg

Inferior view of slide:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image12_zps331656dd.jpeg

Anterior view:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image13_zps41f67cf5.jpeg

Frame with single-sided trigger bar.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image14_zps5dec5ec9.jpeg

[guymontag]

Barrel moves directly back with the slide and begins to cam downwards after this point:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image15_zps7a593d7b.jpeg

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image16_zps6e737fbd.jpeg

But I may be wrong on that one...

Based on my limited time with the pistol, I think the medium back strap mimics the 75B grip angle the best, though none are perfect. The back straps fit quite well by the way, no movement or play on my sample of one.

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image17_zps458f6fea.jpeg

If at half-cock, DA starts here (after slack is removed):

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image18_zps6be30f73.jpeg

Although the aftermarket support continues to grow, sometimes you have to roll your own...

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/chicomartinez28/CZP07/image19_zps33ce50df.jpeg

[Wheeler]

Just a quick update, I've been running a newer 2014 P07 with a CGW spring kit lately. At this time I've got about 500 rounds through it. I shot an IDPA match today and picked a stage to start off with a magazine (11 rounds) of Winchester PDX 124 grain bonded HP's to see how things went with a little bit of stress.

Accuracy was fine. I high index slightly above the -0 circle on the chest and all shots were between the -0 zone and the head. No cycling or feeding issues. Perceived recoil was slightly more snap that the 115 grain Federal ball. All shots were from 7 to 15 yards.

On a personal note, I have to teach myself to not ride the trigger like I do on a revolver. That makes for a potential tragedy at worst worst and an unintentional discharge at least.

[Lon]

I bought a P07 over the weekend. Took it out and put 150 rds thru it. The stock DA trigger is very heavy. No trigger gauge but I'm guessing somewhere @12 lbs. that's the only negative I've found. Just playing around with it today I'm running sub 6 second FAST from concealment. The last thing I did with it was run some unconcealed FAST just for fun. I was using a crappy Safariland 567 XD holster which really sucked. I was able to run several clean sub 5 second FAST, best one being 4.65.

I think I'm going to order some CGW parts and do a trigger job on it. If I continue to like it, it's going to Mark H for an RMR install.

[Wheeler]

I bought a P07 over the weekend. Took it out and put 150 rds thru it. The stock DA trigger is very heavy. No trigger gauge but I'm guessing somewhere @12 lbs. that's the only negative I've found. Just playing around with it today I'm running sub 6 second FAST from concealment. The last thing I did with it was run some unconcealed FAST just for fun. I was using a crappy Safariland 567 XD holster which really sucked. I was able to run several clean sub 5 second FAST, best one being 4.65.

I think I'm going to order some CGW parts and do a trigger job on it. If I continue to like it, it's going to Mark H for an RMR install.

I now have two. The newer one has the CGW trigger spring kit. Huge difference in trigger pull.

[GJM]

Not an issue for Lon using an RDS, but I think no Heinie style/HD/Ameriglo sights is a major negative for the 07 as a defensive pistol.

[Nephrology]

How easy is the CGW kit to install? Any different from installation on the steel framed models (i.e. P01)? Just curious for now - thinking of making CZs my adventure into SA/DA sometime in the next couple years. Sticking with Glocks til then but definitely want to move into TDA at some point. Easer of end user modification is something I am taking into consideration.

[Wheeler]

The spring kit was already installed when I acquired the 2014 model. There are several YT videos out there that might have the answers you're looking for.

[Lon]

How easy is the CGW kit to install? Any different from installation on the steel framed models (i.e. P01)? Just curious for now - thinking of making CZs my adventure into SA/DA sometime in the next couple years. Sticking with Glocks til then but definitely want to move into TDA at some point. Easer of end user modification is something I am taking into consideration.

I'll tell you after I get mine and install it.

[HCM]

Is there any difference between the pre-and post 2014 models other then the interchangeable back straps?

[GJM]

Is there any difference between the pre-and post 2014 models other then the interchangeable back straps?

Yes. As I recall, different trigger design and slide profile, with older pistols marked "Duty" on slide.

[HCM]

Yes. As I recall, different trigger design and slide profile, with older pistols marked "Duty" on slide.

any concerns about the older trigger design? I have a line on a used one for < $400

[GJM]

I think some folks experienced trigger slap with it. Also the slide profile is different enough, it can create compatibility issues with some Kydex holsters.

[GJM]

If I am reading this correctly, looks like CZ Custom is selling a new P07 for $451, and if you wanted sights or trigger work, they could do it at the same time, saving shipping.


http://czcustom.com/CZP07Duty9mmBlackChangeableBackStrap.aspx


Sent from my iPad

[Wheeler]

Yes. As I recall, different trigger design and slide profile, with older pistols marked "Duty" on slide.

They both have the Omega trigger installed and from what I can tell from CGW the parts are the same. AFAIK the only differences between the P07 Duty and the P07 are external and cosmetic in nature, i.e. Different slide serrations, interchangeable back straps on the P07 vs none on the Duty, metal 3 dot sights on the newer model vs plastic on the Duty, etcetera.

My Kydex holster that was made for my Duty model has no issues with the newer model. It's quite well defined to boot.

The two largest downsides in my opinion are the lack of available rear night sights (unless something has changed recently) and the expense of spare magazines. In regards to the magazines, the CZ-75 magazines fit and work quite well in both of my P07's although they do hang out the bottom a bit.

[GJM]

Here is the description of changes, including the new trigger:


http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-07-9mm-black-polymer-interchangeable-back-straps-15-rd-mags/


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[JMS]

...and they improved the polymer of the frames in response to prior iterations being prone to bulges and other dimensional oddities that led to things like magazines not wanting to drop free, binding the slide, other issues.

I have a 1/2013 make P07. I can grip the gun hard enough to distort the shape of the grip and seize mags in the well instead of falling away. Temperature is a factor in this, as well. Once I've changed the hammer/trigger to current and done the internal tweaks I want, that'll be my sole gripe; range-only gun, I've no qualms whatsoever about carrying my 2014+ make.

[HCM]

Thanks for the replies. That pretty much answered my questions.

[Wheeler]

Just got done shooting another 150 rounds at a local IDPA/USPSA lite match with my 2014 P07. Only one failure to fire with a Winchester bulk round that somehow managed to sneak it's way in my stash with a really hard primer. Accuracy was good, ejection was positive and the P07 ran fine with the 16 round CZ75 mags.

[Greg]

Winchester primers aren't usually thought of as "hard". CCI and Wolf primers are harder.

If your pistol reliably touches off the later 2 brands you should have no concerns about softer primers like Winchester/Remington/Federal .

[imp1295]

I'll have to run by the local big box store to get some steel cased ammo to give this a shot. Picked my 6/30/15 test fired P-07 on Sunday and ran 225 115 Freedom through it with no problems. This was after a initial cleaning with Ballistol and grease in the high friction points.

The 2,000 round test will likely take me close to 2 months or so to complete given my schedule.

I will say that I like the new P series magazines much more than the P-01 magazines I had issues with a few years back. The seem to be sprung pretty well and not come coated in oil.

[Wheeler]

Winchester primers aren't usually thought of as "hard". CCI and Wolf primers are harder.

If your pistol reliably touches off the later 2 brands you should have no concerns about softer primers like Winchester/Remington/Federal .

Given the lack of QC exhibited by all the ammo manufacturers lately in their attempts to keep up with demand I'm not going to take one round that was mixed with my other ammo as anything other than an indication that I got a bad round with a hard primer mixed up with my ammo.

I've not had issues with WWB or PDX1 in the P07.

[Leroy]

I was running a CGW 15lb hammer spring and the CGW extended firing pin with no light strikes through a couple thousand CCI primers. If your re-springing the hammer I would buy the extended firing pin from CGW.

[Wheeler]

I was running a CGW 15lb hammer spring and the CGW extended firing pin with no light strikes through a couple thousand CCI primers. If your re-springing the hammer I would buy the extended firing pin from CGW.

I bought this from a friend who got it elsewhere. I'll have to double check with him on the spring weights.

[Greg]

FWIW I have the CGW 18# hammer spring with the recommended firing pin spring in my 2015 P-07 and it has had no problems with the hard Rooski primers (Wolf and Tulammo were tested)

I still have the OEM firing pin and I don't see a reason to change. The pistol has been great so far - really like it!

[The Apprentice]

Picked up mine today I've been on the fence for a long time about getting one then my brother-in-law picked up a 75 compact and I shot that a few times and figured what the hell why not. Right out of the box it was ugh trigger was very gritty and stacked in double action, in single action it was decent little creep before the break pretty light though. I dont have a trigger scale so the comparison is subjective. The action also felt and sounded like there was sand in it. However after being in my fidgity for a while it is already starting to smooth up. I think I will try and help it along tonight and tear it down and polish up some of the rubbing surfaces. Weather permitting I'll get to the range this weekend and put a few hundred rounds through it.

[Nephrology]

Picked up mine today I've been on the fence for a long time about getting one then my brother-in-law picked up a 75 compact and I shot that a few times and figured what the hell why not. Right out of the box it was ugh trigger was very gritty and stacked in double action, in single action it was decent little creep before the break pretty light though. I dont have a trigger scale so the comparison is subjective. The action also felt and sounded like there was sand in it. However after being in my fidgity for a while it is already starting to smooth up. I think I will try and help it along tonight and tear it down and polish up some of the rubbing surfaces. Weather permitting I'll get to the range this weekend and put a few hundred rounds through it.

Every NIB CZ I've ever handled has a terrible, gritty trigger. Every worn in CZ I've ever handled has an amazing trigger.

[ranger]

Every NIB CZ I've ever handled has a terrible, gritty trigger. Every worn in CZ I've ever handled has an amazing trigger.

I bought a well used P07 Duty and it has an amazing trigger too.

[The Apprentice]

Managed to get out to the range the other day and put 200 rounds of 124grain S&B through it. Everything fuctioned as expected no stoppages or malfunctions. The trigger has smoothed up a lot I think I will swap out some springs and oversized double action lower before i start a 2000 round challange. Overall I'm liking it.

[Lon]

Got my slide back from Mark H.

5524

[Paul D]

Got my slide back from Mark H.

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5524&stc=1

Very nice! Where did you get those suppressor sights?

[Lon]

Mark modifies the dovetails to take Sig suppressor sights. Those are from Ameriglo. It costs a bit more than his normal install, but he's gotta do a bunch more work.

[Paul D]

Mark modifies the dovetails to take Sig suppressor sights. Those are from Ameriglo. It costs a bit more than his normal install, but he's gotta do a bunch more work.

Thanks. I might have to do that since the sight options of the the P-07/09 are few and not anything I like.

[RSA]

I've been running a Gen 2 since they came out in South Africa early 2014. Reckon about 5 maybe 6000 odd rounds to date. Using it as a EDC and SSP gun.

It has given me very very little issues.

Mine prefers a shorter COL for reloads. Around 27.5. And when new it didnt like Federal HST 147gr....now it works great. I suspect the chamber might have been a bit tight. But aside from that I've fed mine everything I could find. Sometimes these horrible fruitsalad mags of mixed ammo. No problems.

The back sight came loose but the screw was just tightened again..
And that is really the sumtotal off the issues.

Our range is very dusty and almost like this fine beach sand. After an enthuisiastic session rhe gun was full of sand no issues.

Im not too picky. I'll shoot anything as long as it works. When I bought mine the price difference between that and some other popular options wasnt much on our side. In my experience I would have to really nitpick to fault the P07

[Lon]

On a whim the other night I I tried hand cycling a 226 magazine loaded with snap caps in my P-07. It locked up fine and worked. Ran a 226 mag with live rounds through the P-07 at a match tonight and it worked fine. I'll be continuing this trial in my weekly matches to see if it continues to work. Didn't shoot to slide lock so I don't know if that will work or not.

[Greg]

My P226 mags also lock in (didn't try feeding) but neither the Sig branded mags or the Mec-Gar labeled ones will actuate the slide lock.

Bummer!

[Colt191145lover]

My P226 mags also lock in (didn't try feeding) but neither the Sig branded mags or the Mec-Gar labeled ones will actuate the slide lock.

Bummer!

The feed and fire, just no slide lock.

[imp1295]

Well,
finally finished a psuedo 2,000 round test. I say psuedo, because at about 450 rounds, I switched out the hammer mainspring for a CGW "yellow" 18# spring. No issues until then or after. At about 1500 I switched out the stock sights for Dawson FO front and rear (sold by CGW)

It was a mix of Freedom and Magtech 115 grain, about 100 rounds of Steel Case Hornady Match and about 100 rounds of HST 145g. I only had one issue, the entire time and it was when loading a magazine. For some reason, the follower was momentarily caught up inside the magazine. I unloaded and reloaded the mag then had no issues. I ran the pistol the entire time with the medium backstrap. But, after my last range trip, and having some issues with WHO DA pull I switched over to the small back strap. We'll see how that works out. In dry practice, I do seem to get a smoother pull due to the increased leverage of more trigger finger (near the first joint) on the trigger.

It hasn't supplanted the P2000/P30 yet. But, my measurable accuracy and times on drills like Vickers, D/C 2R2 and Failure Drills at 10yds are all a bit faster and more consistent (about .15-.25 faster) At times, I do end up with a left bias due to some grip issues, when I re-align the pistol and focus on a good index things straighten out.

More to follow I'm sure.

[Paltares8]

I've had a P07 Duty (gen 1) for about a month and a half now, and with about 700 rds through it has yet to give me any trouble. At least mechanically. I really need to find some new sights for it though, and have to adjust the stock sights in the meantime. Finally found a few that are for the Duty version; now just have to settle on one set (leaning toward F/O front, black rear) and get them on it. But it shoots great. First CZ and I really like it.

[SteveB]

I've had a P07 Duty (gen 1) for about a month and a half now, and with about 700 rds through it has yet to give me any trouble. At least mechanically. I really need to find some new sights for it though, and have to adjust the stock sights in the meantime. Finally found a few that are for the Duty version; now just have to settle on one set (leaning toward F/O front, black rear) and get them on it. But it shoots great. First CZ and I really like it.

CZ Custom has them; I've got the black rear, F/O front on my P-07 and they are great.

[Trukinjp13]

I am really enjoying mine. Amazes me how well this bad boy shoots. Need to lower the da weight and shorten the reset. But I shoot it better than I did my Vp9 or any of the other strikers I have had.

[Brian T]

So I picked up a CZ P07 Duty at Cabelas. I am new to CZ ownership and obviously this pistol. Does "15" on the side of the slide indicate they year it was made?

I am having problems with mags dropping free. Any grip pressure with my left hand (I am left handed) causes the mags to stay in the gun when the mag release is depressed. Even with the gun in my right hand, it is still hit and miss as whether the mag will completely drop free. The only time it will positively release 100% of the time is when I hold the gun by the slide and hit the mag release with any hand (thumb). For 3 hours tonight I worked the gun and mags hoping it would smooth itself out, but it doesnt. I even cleaned and lubed the gun thinking something may be binding, with no positive outcome.

Also raking the slide over and over, I got some Slip 2000 on the exterior of my slide. This caused my hand to slip while racking the slide, and it ran back long the rear sight. Out came the rear sight.

Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
?

[Wheeler]

So I picked up a CZ P07 Duty at Cabelas. I am new to CZ ownership and obviously this pistol. Does "15" on the side of the slide indicate they year it was made?

I am having problems with mags dropping free. Any grip pressure with my left hand (I am left handed) causes the mags to stay in the gun when the mag release is depressed. Even with the gun in my right hand, it is still hit and miss as whether the mag will completely drop free. The only time it will positively release 100% of the time is when I hold the gun by the slide and hit the mag release with any hand (thumb). For 3 hours tonight I worked the gun and mags hoping it would smooth itself out, but it doesnt. I even cleaned and lubed the gun thinking something may be binding, with no positive outcome.

Also raking the slide over and over, I got some Slip 2000 on the exterior of my slide. This caused my hand to slip while racking the slide, and it ran back long the rear sight. Out came the rear sight.

Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
?

There are rumblings on the interwebz about the Duty models having a flaw in the polymer that causes the grip to flex and the mags will not drop free when empty. I don't know if CZ will make it right or not. My Duty model does the same thing and it's on my to-do list to contact them to see if they will fix it.

The Duty models came with cheap plastic sights that are as bad if not worse than the stock Glock sights. I put a set of Dawson's on mine and they are much, much better. The Gen 2 guns are much better all around pistols. That being said I've run around 700 rounds of various ball ammo through my Duty model with no issues other than with Tula brass.

If your rear sight won't stay in and you don't want to spring for another drop me a PM and I'll snail mail you my old, stock sights. No charge.

[Brian T]

I appreciate it, but I called CZ and they said both are known problems that they will rectify.

I did some research and it seems the early P07s had a bulge in the mag well. Some said this served as a mag brake, at the request of the Croats. Others said it was a flaw. Either way, according to the CZ forums, people were getting shipped new guns.

[Wheeler]

In that case, I need to send in my Duty model. Thanks for the info.

[60167]

I appreciate it, but I called CZ and they said both are known problems that they will rectify.

I did some research and it seems the early P07s had a bulge in the mag well. Some said this served as a mag brake, at the request of the Croats. Others said it was a flaw. Either way, according to the CZ forums, people were getting shipped new guns.

What is a mag brake, and why would someone request that "feature"?

Genuinely curious.

[matt7184]

Prevents the magazine from dropping freely. Aids in reloads that require retention.

[Chuck Whitlock]

What is a mag brake, and why would someone request that "feature"?

Genuinely curious.


Prevents the magazine from dropping freely. Aids in reloads that require retention.

First generation Glock magazines were non-drop free when empty by design. European/Austrian military doctrine, IIRC.

[Brian T]

So here's an update on my P07 Duty

17 May 2016 I submitted my warranty repair claim. About n hour later CZ sent me RMA and a few minutes later I got an email from FedEx that a shipping label was created.

18 May 2016 it went out via FedEx Express. NOTE: if you cant print the label out, FedEx Express will NOT print it out. Instead you have to go to a FedEx Office and get a label. However because it's a firearm it cant ship through FedEx Office, and you have to take it to FedEx Express. PITA, learn from my struggles.

19 My 2016 CZ advised me they have my P07. They estimate it will take 4-6 weeks, and to not pester them. They will send weekly updates on its status.


Thus far, I am incredibly impressed with CZ.

[Greg]

They will send weekly updates on its status....Thus far, I am incredibly impressed with CZ.

Good luck with it! I really should buy another P-07. They strike me as one of the very best "bang for the buck" pistols out there. I've paid a lot more for pistols and liked them a lot less.

[EDCzechnology]

From what I've heard the Duty models have plastic sights, flawed polymer leading to the aesthetic issue of frame bulge and mag breaking. I went the P09 route got close to 6k through it, no FTF, FTE or any other issues. It has the new polymer, steel sights and has been deburred. It conceals well and is very light for its size, that being said, if I happened across a Duty model reasonably priced I'd not hesitate to buy. CZ's customer service and price for quality is exceptional. Excellent choice Brian T!

[Brian T]

So I got an automated email from CZ stating the following:

"Description: Sights loose/Mags won't drop

Work Performed: fit new disconnect, staked sights, could not replicate magazine issue without using extreme tension, test fired good.
Once your firearm has shipped, you will receive an additional email with tracking information from FedEx within 24hrs."

I dont know what they are calling a "disconnect", though I'll assume it's the mag release.


That said, I went to Academy on a lark, and they had a P09 Duty for $489. I got them to price comp it down to $441, and then cashed in my gift cards. I walked out with a 2014 dated P09 Duty for $277. Funny thing is the mags drop perfectly in this pistol, and the sights dont budge at all. The exact opposite of my P07 Duty which is 2015 dated.

[Paltares8]

Unlike the first run of P07 Dutys, the P09 always had its sights fixed with a screw as far as I know. That should cover the sight aspect. I have heard on a few CZ forums that the P09 also originally used the polymer that the new P07s were changed to to alleviate the frame bulging, but as with anything on the internet, who really knows. I do know, however, that most people with new P07s have no issues with frame bulge or mags not dropping freely and same with most P09 owners I've heard from. Good luck with both of your CZ's. I've been mulling over the idea of trading my P07 in for a P09. I'll have to try and get my mitts on one to check out the size difference

[JPedersen]

That said, I went to Academy on a lark, and they had a P09 Duty for $489. I got them to price comp it down to $441...

What do you mean by "price comp"? They price match? If so, That is good to know. What did need to do to get them to adjust it?



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[Brian T]

Well, I got it back after a bit of a fiasco with FedEx.

Unfortunately both problems remain. Now when the mag doesnt drop free it's only when the gun is in my left hand. I can no longer replicate stuck mags when I try it right handed. In my left hand, its better, but even now only 50/50. As a lefty, I use my middle finger to depress the magazine release on all guns. I m saddled with the fact that this leaves me with a weak grip on the gun during reload, but it works best for me. When I do this, or even use my index finger as have experimented, after several successful mag drops, the mags will start hanging up. These are fast, repetitive mag changes. Actually they are not so much mag changes as me dropping the mag (hoping it comes free) and re-inserting.

The sight fix, quite frankly, seems totally half-assed. The staked the plastic of the sight into the steel of the slide! I didnt think it would work, and here I am with the gun for 4 hours and I can move the sight within the dovetail. I did that to see how robust the staking would be! I could be totally wrong on this, but the whole idea of staking doesnt make any sense to me, even if the sights were metal.

[Brian T]

What do you mean by "price comp"? They price match? If so, That is good to know. What did need to do to get them to adjust it?



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Price comp'ing is price comparison and either meet or beat the compared price.

All I did was ask. This actually works with many retailers, especially a big box store. You are doing them a favor by telling them what their competitor is selling the product for so they dont have to pay an employee to find out. For instance, Walmart pays department managers to go to others stores with a list of merchandise and they scan the other company's label. Walmart reciprocates. Each store has a log in/log out book for people coming to comp. If a customer does it, you are actually saving the company money.

Anyways, I used the Slickguns website. I had to show the academy babe it was the same exact item. I had to show them the best deal was a brick and mortar store. At the bottom of the website it said "We are OKC's largest physical gun shop", and that sealed the deal. Took 2 minutes, saved $40.

[Brian T]

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Snootchie Bootchies

[Brian T]

And well, shit! I was gonna show how a minor amount of pressure can drift the sights and the damned rear sight self ejected.

8406

[Brian T]

This is what the mag bodies look like. I dont know if its normal.

When the mag hangs up, you can definitely feel somethong holding on to it84078408

[Greg]

Plastic sights are just plain bucktoothed evil. The best that can be said of them is they preserve the dovetail.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y9hkGy36ZNk/V1wm-WckPrI/AAAAAAAADGA/bl1vWdH2rCoBXl3mV4Lu2aYccBTCogH8ACCo/s1000/DSC_0194.JPG

Glad CZ switched to steel on the Gen2s. The 07 up top is brand new and I'll be attempting the 2000 round challenge with it starting this weekend.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B_6LplRPiI8/V1tgXqjEiyI/AAAAAAAADF4/9zCB3mRm9wgeXMDH-ANw8IEXD2-b9N40QCCo/s1000/DSC_0192.JPG

The above pic shows the springs I swap out. I can't imagine how bad the ammo would have to be to require the stock 20 pound hammer spring. The CGW 18# spring has touched off every Wolf or TulAmmo primer I've tried and those are known to be as hard as they get.

The steel sights on the Gen2s have set screws but both of my pistols had zero thread locker on either the front or rear set screws. I would recommend any 07/09 owner to put some Loctite on these screws.

[RSA]

I run a Gen 2 P07. Had it for about 2 years. I would say 6000 odd rounds through it.

The gun has been prety damn idiotproof...BUT....it seems like sights are bit of an issue.

My front sight continued to come loose, eventually replaced with a FO sight. Same problem. Its like the little screw just doesnt go in far enough. Its not an ideal solution but now I used some Pratley Steel and epoxied that sucker in there. Reckon its in now.

My friend runs a P09. He also has some issues with sights.

No indication of frame buldge at all ons any of the 2.

[Puma]

What holster are being used for P07's with x300's? and for that matter P09's with x300's?

[s0nspark]

What holster are being used for P07's with x300's? and for that matter P09's with x300's?

I am using a Raven Concealment VG3 at the moment...

The VG3 works great as a gun-agnostic holster - it conceals well (especially if fitted with the RCS claw) and you can reholster with it (unlike the VG1/VG2...)

BUT...

My long-awaited T. Rex Arms light-bearing Raptor holster and mag carriers will be waiting for me when I get home today :)

I will be happy to post some pics for you tonight.

[s0nspark]

OK, pics...

First the VG3+ claw:

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll170/s0nspark/EDC/EDC%202016.05%20p-07_zpsszxqwnqv.jpg

I've since swapped that soft loop for the overhook - the soft loop tended to flex way too much for my liking. (OK, initially I forgot to adjust it for my 1.5" belt but even after doing that, still too much flex.)

OK, now the Raptor:

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll170/s0nspark/EDC/2016%20CZ%20P-07%20in%20the%20T.%20Rex%20Arms%20Raptor%20holster %201_zpsf1nmzrxp.jpg

Initial impressions are good - it is comfortable, conceals better than the VG3 and, of course, offers much better support for drawing and reholstering. Workmanship is solid and the holster could double for IWB use with a swap of a clip. BTW, that color is MAS Gray...

Oh, and in addition to threaded barrel and suppressor sight support, I ordered mine with an RMR cut, although I am not sure yet if I'll take the red dot plunge.

[Mirolynmonbro]

My second time shooting the P07 in a class was yesterday. About 300 rounds in 3 hours left quite the booboo on my support thumb. http://imgur.com/jqHVBRY

[Greg]

Wow! Still see the blood on the slide lock.

Kinda gnarly! :cool:

[Paul D]

My second time shooting the P07 in a class was yesterday. About 300 rounds in 3 hours left quite the booboo on my support thumb. http://imgur.com/jqHVBRY

I bought a second slide stop to ground all of the hard edges. That lever is quite rough.

[CGA]

Can someone with a P07 and a Glock 19 tell me the difference in the grip lengths of the two? My pinky barely fits on the 19's grip. Is the P07 grip length any longer? Thanks.

[Mirolynmonbro]

I'll compare them tonight and try to get a good pic but I think the P07 is a little longer. I don't pinch my palm during reloads anymore

[s0nspark]

I'll compare them tonight and try to get a good pic but I think the P07 is a little longer. I don't pinch my palm during reloads anymore

Same here. I always did on my G19s.

[Redhat]

After all the positive talk here and elsewhere, I went to my local store to check one out. Of course they had a trigger lock installed so I didn't get to test that but...ergonomically, I like it better than the G19. One thing that gave me pause though, was the de-cocker...felt really abrasive under my thumb and the mechanics were unusual for me as I've shot mostly Beretta M92s. I'm sure I could get use to how it feels to work the de-cocker but I'm not sure about those sharp edges. Of course outstanding accuracy and reliability would probably erase that slight concern.

Price was $469

[s0nspark]

[QUOTE=Redhat;472492]One thing that gave me pause was the de-cocker...felt really abrasive under my thumb and the mechanics were unusual for me as I've shot mostly Beretta M92s./QUOTE]

It was a concern for me as well. I did not care for the feeling of the ambi lever moving under my grip. After some time, though, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Also, in practice I've not felt the lever was rough at all.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Here's the best pic I could take. It looks the same..

http://imgur.com/Sp7DyuL

[Handy]

There's a first gen P-07 near me for really cheap (fixed back strap, curved trigger). How good/bad were these, and how correctable were the problems?

A bargain gun that requires $200 to get it acceptable isn't a bargain.

[Mirolynmonbro]

A guy at a local class had a lot of problems with 115 gr factory ammo. He claims it was fixed after applying lube... BUT, not sure if that actually fixed it or because he started using 124 gr ammo

[Greg]

After all the positive talk here and elsewhere, I went to my local store to check one out. Of course they had a trigger lock installed so I didn't get to test that but...ergonomically, I like it better than the G19. One thing that gave me pause though, was the de-cocker...felt really abrasive under my thumb and the mechanics were unusual for me as I've shot mostly Beretta M92s. I'm sure I could get use to how it feels to work the de-cocker but I'm not sure about those sharp edges. Of course outstanding accuracy and reliability would probably erase that slight concern.

Price was $469

I'm more accustomed to the decockers on the Sig P series but I got used to the decocker on the 07 pretty quickly. I can tell you after doing the 2000 round challenge with the 07, shooting exclusively outside on rather hot days, that I never had any issues with traction with the gun.

My shirt may have been plastered to my back from sweat, but I never had any kind of slippage in terms of grip or running the decocker/mag release/ slide stop controls. Sweat + sun screen + dirt and crud made my hands pretty slick. My hands weren't bleeding either which is always a good thing.

[Leroy]

A guy at a local class had a lot of problems with 115 gr factory ammo. He claims it was fixed after applying lube... BUT, not sure if that actually fixed it or because he started using 124 gr ammo

The P07 comes with 20lb recoil spring and an 18-20 lb hammer spring. It is oversprung. No lube and light loads could deffinitely cause issues although mine ran 135-140 pf loads with no issues out of the box. I put an 18 lb recoil and 15 lb hammer spring in mine and it made the slide much easier to run.

[Lon]

The P07 comes with 20lb recoil spring and an 18-20 lb hammer spring. It is oversprung. No lube and light loads could deffinitely cause issues although mine ran 135-140 pf loads with no issues out of the box. I put an 18 lb recoil and 15 lb hammer spring in mine and it made the slide much easier to run.

I'm running a 13lb recoil spring. Runs great and the dot on the RMR tracks better.

[Paltares8]

I've had a gen1 P07 for awhile now and haven't had any issues with it at all, yet anyways. I think the later ones, right before they started the gen2 were straightened out. I think if the serial number starts with B2******* it should be good. And for what its worth there were a few different releases of them. For instance mine came with the safety on it and a WML and without a decocker, so make sure it has what you want

[Mirolynmonbro]

Ah, it sounds like it was an issue with the light ammo and heavy recoil spring.

I'm running 130-135 power factor and it ran well with the stock recoil spring, but feels better with the 15lb spring

[23JAZ]

The P07 looks interesting. Can you get Trijicon HDs for it?

[Wheeler]

The P07 comes with 20lb recoil spring and an 18-20 lb hammer spring. It is oversprung. No lube and light loads could deffinitely cause issues although mine ran 135-140 pf loads with no issues out of the box. I put an 18 lb recoil and 15 lb hammer spring in mine and it made the slide much easier to run.

I've run 700 rounds of 115 grain ball, bulk ammo with no issues.

[Lon]

The P07 looks interesting. Can you get Trijicon HDs for it?

No.

[TheNewbie]

This is my current duty gun carried in an ALS 6360. It's not a super difficult gun to shoot, even stock.

How have the TRS springs held up on these?

[Paltares8]

From what I've heard the TRS is the first to go, usually around 5000 rounds/trigger presses if I recall. I'm actually at the point of ordering a few, and I think the Cajun Gun Works replacements have shown to be more reliable than factory replacements, which isn't a big surprise. I know that they seem to be a weak point on a few CZ's, but I have no idea how they compare

[Mirolynmonbro]

I replaced the stock TRS with the CGA one and it was a huge pain to do that. I need to set away an hour to do it on my P07 lol

[john c]

This is my current duty gun carried in an ALS 6360. It's not a super difficult gun to shoot, even stock.

How have the TRS springs held up on these?

A serious question, why this pistol over more established choices? Nothing negative on CZs, which are great pistols. They're just not typical duty weapons in the US.

[Leroy]

A serious question, why this pistol over more established choices? Nothing negative on CZs, which are great pistols. They're just not typical duty weapons in the US.

It's a DA/SA with basically the same dimensions of a G19 with mag inserted, carries like a G19. Slide to frame and barrel fit is very good for a plastic gun. Accuracy is good, aftermarket parts available, holsters available. DA gets pretty good with just a hammer spring swap, all for $500 with tax out the door typically. One of the best values out there. My only complaints are the typical CZ execution, you sometimes need to tweak for proper function (mine came with a bent hammer strut causing DA stacking) and some guns have had timing issues which CGW made $10 part to fix that. The other thing I didn't like was the long reset but some people don't mind that especially for self defense guns. The ergos and controls are really good in my opinion, one of the best stock mag catches on the market and reloads are real easy (good mag well). The stock 15 round mags are good to go. For the cost it is an excellent gun.

[s0nspark]

The other thing I didn't like was the long reset but some people don't mind that especially for self defense guns.

My P-07 has the CGW ProGrade parts installed and the SA reset is short... did you mean with the stock hammer?


The ergos and controls are really good in my opinion.

I totally agree - the ergos are perfect for me. I've always had issues with my grip interfering with controls on most guns due to long fingers. I don't have any issues on CZs and I find the P-07 to be the perfect balance of features - polymer, hammer-fired TDA, accurate, reliable, and easy to upgrade and maintain myself. I also like that the grip feels natural in the hand and there is no need to stipple the frame to get traction.

For $750 (gun plus CGW parts) I have a gun that stacks up well to custom Sigs and HKs in performance but at a price that keeps me from treating the gun like a princess.

[Greg]

A serious question, why this pistol over more established choices? Nothing negative on CZs, which are great pistols. They're just not typical duty weapons in the US.


It's a DA/SA with basically the same dimensions of a G19 with mag inserted, carries like a G19. Slide to frame and barrel fit is very good for a plastic gun. Accuracy is good, aftermarket parts available, holsters available. DA gets pretty good with just a hammer spring swap, all for $500 with tax out the door typically. One of the best values out there. My only complaints are the typical CZ execution, you sometimes need to tweak for proper function (mine came with a bent hammer strut causing DA stacking) and some guns have had timing issues which CGW made $10 part to fix that. The other thing I didn't like was the long reset but some people don't mind that especially for self defense guns. The ergos and controls are really good in my opinion, one of the best stock mag catches on the market and reloads are real easy (good mag well). The stock 15 round mags are good to go. For the cost it is an excellent gun.

I'll echo the above. For appendix carry I wanted DA/SA. I drop a whopping $12 bucks worth of aftermarket springs in mine and get a very shootable DA trigger without stacking.
I also find the pistol to be very shootable. I've never tested mine from a bench but I'd be very surprised if it didn't group well. Both of mine seem to have an ideal POA/POI to my eyes.

If mine have any issues (none so far - 2000/4500 rounds) I'd probably look at the Sig SP2022 as an alternative.

[Leroy]

My P-07 has the CGW ProGrade parts installed and the SA reset is short... did you mean with the stock hammer?



I totally agree - the ergos are perfect for me. I've always had issues with my grip interfering with controls on most guns due to long fingers. I don't have any issues on CZs and I find the P-07 to be the perfect balance of features - polymer, hammer-fired TDA, accurate, reliable, and easy to upgrade and maintain myself. I also like that the grip feels natural in the hand and there is no need to stipple the frame to get traction.

For $750 (gun plus CGW parts) I have a gun that stacks up well to custom Sigs and HKs in performance but at a price that keeps me from treating the gun like a princess.

I put the CGW stuff in as well and it did shorten reset but I was referring to the stock trigger.

[s0nspark]

I put the CGW stuff in as well and it did shorten reset but I was referring to the stock trigger.

Ok - just making sure i was on the same page. :)

[mark5019]

thats the 1st gen 2nd gen has the deckocker ect

[Wheeler]

thats the 1st gen 2nd gen has the deckocker ect

Both gens came with a decocker option.

[mark5019]

yes your right but with slide rounded and slide has extra grip staight trigger
heres mine

http://i64.tinypic.com/bej0xl.jpg

[Wheeler]

Shot another 150 rounds of mixed ammo at a local IDPA match yesterday through the Gen2 P07. The only issue was a failure to go into battery with a Wolf 115 grain. I also ran the match exclusively with MecGar CZ75 magazines. I had one stage in which I auto forwarded the slide on a mag change that I wish I had identified the magazine for examination. This puts the Gen2 at around 950 rounds so far with three ammo related (all laquered Wolf) issues.

[Cecil Burch]

I've had a P07 for a while. I put a couple hundred rounds through it until I was introduced to the P2000 and at that point put my focus on that as well as the P2000sk. However, I kept wandering back to the CZ and would shoot it a bit at times when I was working with the HK. While I think the P2000 is an excellent gun, I flat out enjoyed shooting the CZ better - better recoil control, better "fit' for my hands (with my hands, I tend to ride the slide release of almost every pistol - the P07 is one of th every few I don"t), etc. So I decided to really give it a fair shot and sent it off to CGW for their pro upgrade package, as well as their front fiber optic.

Got it back (just short of 12 weeks) and did a quick session (about 100 rounds on my lunch hour) at Ben Avery. Ran great, trigger is awesome (a hair over 8lbs DA, a bit over 4lbs on SA). Love the front sight. It practically glows in just a bit of light. I don't have much time to do a lot of live fire work, so the next test would be through Mike Pannone's Covert Carry class.

Which I just took last weekend. After almost 1,000 rounds of mixed ammo (Geco, Great Lakes, some Russian) with no stoppages, and way more accuracy than I will ever be able to match up to, it is now moving to my main EDC. Everything I loved about the gun was reinforced, and I am pretty content now. It was also cool to see two of Mike's P07s run - one with 10k rounds, and one with 25k. I think it was the 25k that has the CGW springs, but the 10k gun is pure factory.

Suffice to say, I'm a fan.

[GJM]

Owning quite a few CZ pistols, having followed this for a number of years, having watched Pannone's testing, and speaking with CZ Custom on this subject, the P07/09 seem the most carry worthy of the CZ lineup of the pistols. The only caveat is I wish there were Ameriglo or Trijicon high viz sights available.

You do know you will probably be bumped from Darry's holiday card list now, if you persist with the CZ.

[David S.]

Cecil,
Why not CZ Custom over in Mesa?

[Cecil Burch]

Cecil,
Why not CZ Custom over in Mesa?

Their website sucks, and trying to talk to someone there on the phone was ridiculous. And it's almost an hour drive to go there. Even though Mike invited me to meet him there, it was not worth the hassle just to see if there was something worthwhile.

CGW makes it easy to see what you need to see on their webpage, and have a perfect package ready to go. I sent the gun, told the guy there I wanted the pro package and their F/O front, and BOOM, done.

[David S.]

Cool.