Using Tritium Sights versus Flashlight

[cclaxton]

I am starting to question the value of Tritium sights. Good use of a flashlight seems to accomplish everything I need to do with sights. If I don't have a flashlight or drop it or don't have time to get it out, then I see the value (assuming I can see the threat and know there is a lethal threat). In order to see a lethal threat, I either have to already have the flashlight out or there is available light. Yes, maybe there are some marginal lighting conditions where it would be useful, but haven't found that to be the case.

What is the experience with members here?

Thanks,
Cody

[Byron]

There have been a lot of threads/posts on this. Here are a few that explore the issue:

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?814-Let%E2%80%99s-talk-about-front-posts-amp-rear-notches&p=19111&viewfull=1#post19111

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2606-Are-night-sights-needed-with-laser-light

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2957-Illuminated-Front-Sight-Only

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3582-How-useful-do-you-find-night-sights

[orionz06]

Folks spend hours debating minutia, I see no reason given that to throw away an advantage (night sights).

[Artemas]

I figure that if i drop my flashlight or the battery fails I can still see my sight (hopefully after identifying the target correctly)

[Chuck Haggard]

Almost zero non cop deadly force events where a firearm would be used, such as a robbery in-progress, involve the need for a light. You may well be in lighting that is not high noon and have a real need for tritium sights.

[KevinB]

Most tritium sights also do well in different targeted colors.
I prefer the HD/Hack sights as the Orange is impossible to miss, but back to the tritium aspect -- on a white target the sights will be dark and on a dark target the sight will be lighter.

I equate the question to be like: I wear a bulletproof vest, why do I need a gun.

The light will fail, and when the sweat and blood get on everything - the light (since your one of those no pistol light guys) may not longer be on your person (and frankly even with a WML it may not survive).

[littlejerry]

In order to see a lethal threat, I either have to already have the flashlight out or there is available light. Yes, maybe there are some marginal lighting conditions where it would be useful, but haven't found that to be the case.

What is the experience with members here?

Thanks,
Cody
This is where the argument falls apart. Lighting is not binary. The magnitude, direction of light, and color of the target and background play important a roles in the ability to pick up your sights clearly and accurately.

Seeing your sights on a dark background is similar to reading small text without much contrast: being in a dimly lit room makes it very difficult.

Recognizing a person requires very little light. Identifying someone as dangerous doesn't require much light(if any).

It would be a poor assumption that you will always have a light on your target before you shoot.

[cclaxton]

There have been a lot of threads/posts on this. Here are a few that explore the issue:

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?814-Let%E2%80%99s-talk-about-front-posts-amp-rear-notches&p=19111&viewfull=1#post19111

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2606-Are-night-sights-needed-with-laser-light

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?2957-Illuminated-Front-Sight-Only

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?3582-How-useful-do-you-find-night-sights

Thanks for the links...these are good.
Cody

[GJM]

Aren't each of the sighting systems a compromise, and the "answer" might be different depending upon your environment and eyes?

For example, someone working the night shift versus someone in the far north, outside, during the summer, where it never gets dark. I always assumed all defensive pistols should have tritium sights, although for over 100 years flocking have been killing people without them. It is also interesting that virtually every high level USPSA shooter uses a fiber optic front sight. I have started to wonder whether a fiber optic front sight and CT grip laser might be a better combination.

[breakingtime91]

Dudes killed a lot of bad guys with M1 garands, you don't see them still in use because better options and advantages have come along.

[GJM]

Dudes killed a lot of bad guys with M1 garands, you don't see them still in use because better options and advantages have come along.

Precisely. The question is whether tritium sights are still the best option.

[orionz06]

Given how many people seek high visibility sights regardless and that there are options for said sights with tritium I find it silly to not have them.

I don't believe they're a requirement but as we wander down the slippery slope of pretending to know what we need and don't need why limit ourselves?

[Chuck Haggard]

Hardly anyone ever shoots a high level match in low light. Just sayin.

[GJM]

Hardly anyone ever shoots a high level match in low light. Just sayin.

Sure, but would anyone choose tritium sights over a laser, to shoot in low light? And, once the white light comes on, isn't tritium a non factor?

[cclaxton]

Aren't each of the sighting systems a compromise, and the "answer" might be different depending upon your environment and eyes?

For example, someone working the night shift versus someone in the far north, outside, during the summer, where it never gets dark. I always assumed all defensive pistols should have tritium sights, although for over 100 years flocking have been killing people without them. It is also interesting that virtually every high level USPSA shooter uses a fiber optic front sight. I have started to wonder whether a fiber optic front sight and CT grip laser might be a better combination.
That is what I have been thinking.
Cody

[Chuck Haggard]

Sure, but would anyone choose tritium sights over a laser, to shoot in low light? And, once the white light comes on, isn't tritium a non factor?

Sometimes, although I would prefer both on my gun, just like I prefer an Aimpoint and BUISs on my carbines. And sometimes yes, sometimes no.

[Mr_White]

I still use night sights, but I have doubts about their necessity:

While a person could find themselves with no alternative, I think identifying a threat based on muzzle flashes in the dark, while it doesn't require a light, is pretty late to be identifying that threat if it could have been identified earlier and action taken sooner.

I don't think the marksmanship challenge in low light is nearly as great as the threat ID and assessment challenge, outside of muzzle flashes coming at you in the dark or close range verbal/social interaction making the situation clear, such as a robbery from within a few feet. I think the same factor that mitigates the need for a flashlight in the latter case (proximity during a robbery-in-progress) also mitigates the need for night sights.

I've been really impressed, within the training environment, how easy it is to hit things in extremely low light without night sights. This includes a few aggravating factors too - one-handed shooting on the move against a target that can only barely be located (let alone assessed, unless the assessment is muzzle flashes in the dark.)

I've also been really impressed, within the training environment, how extremely reduced visual acuity is in almost any level of reduced light and how hard it can be to identify any level of detail without a flashlight. If I am going to make a decision to use deadly force in a timely manner (before the muzzle flashes are coming at me) I think I am way better off using a flashlight rather than pushing action based on threat assessment formed by straining through severely reduced visual acuity in reduced light. That's also leaving aside the ability a light provides to work someone with the temporary information denial and deception that using a light can allow.

One can counter with 'no downside to night sights' but I don't find that completely true for me. I think a FO front is better than any night sight, even the high visibility ones, for daytime use. Not a huge factor but it's there.

The fact that Tom Givens has stated that none of his students-involved-in-shootings needed a flashlight gives me a lot of pause on this. It really does. I'd like to hear whether any of them had night sights and whether he thought they needed night sights or not. I also really appreciate Chuck's perspective, given his time in the field and extensive low light training. And having explained all the reasons I am not so sure about the necessity of night sights, I am still using night sights on my carry guns because I just haven't ever been able to make peace with not having them, because of the muzzle flashes in the dark.

[Trooper224]

I've worked the midnight shift for the last seven years. I have tritium sights on my sidearm as well as a weapon mounted light. I also have a light on my carbine, as well as a smaller hand held light on my belt and a larger one in the car. The carbine also mounts an Aimpoint Comp M4. Under the proposed logic I suppose I can get rid of that since the WML would make the iron sights visible in the dark? I find a need for all of them in different circumstances and wouldn't willingly give up any of them. One option doesn't naturally exclude the others. They're all tools in the tool box.

[TCinVA]

I am starting to question the value of Tritium sights. Good use of a flashlight seems to accomplish everything I need to do with sights.

As Byron pointed out there have been many previous discussions on this...but you have a core problem right there which needs to be addressed.

White lights are for illuminating the environment and for identifying a threat.

Sights, tritium or no, are devices intended to allow intelligently directing bullets into a target.

There's zero overlap between the function of those two items.

The purpose of tritium sights or a laser is to provide a useful aiming reference in low light conditions. If you have a 200+ lumen flashlight blazing on whatever you are pointing your gun at, then you are not in a low light condition as far as the actual aiming reference goes. Because lighting is not static or binary, you can certainly find conditions where you can identify a threat but not have sufficient light to get an accurate read from your sights. Like, perhaps, this:


http://youtu.be/itr5YrIVIq8

I've never had to bail out of a police car while under fire, and then engage a shotgun-wielding bad guy (standing in the shadow of an outbuilding) from my back in a parking lot in the dark before...but I bet prior to that moment neither had the police officer who had to do exactly that. In the lighting circumstances presented in that video, with my eyesight, I would have had a hard time picking up straight black sights. I know this because I've done low light work in training and on my own to identify how my eyes work in low light conditions.

I want a fast, accurate, highly visible sighting reference in a situation where I may be straining to even see the threat, or to distinguish my sights from the background or the threat (which is difficult to do on a dude in low light wearing black clothing while you're using black sights)...and a fast, accurate, highly visible sighting reference that will be easier to pick up post-muzzle flash so I can make followup shots if necessary. Tritium is a bare minimum for my eyesight on that, with a laser being much better still. Tritium gives me a useful aiming reference under practically any lighting condition it is possible to encounter. I may not need them for every shot I will ever take, but I don't get to choose the conditions or equipment I'll be facing should I have to pull the trigger in anger. So I'll stick with the tritium.

More detailed discussion along this train of thought:

http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9251-Night-Sights-vs-fiber-optics-(August-2013-edition)

[Chuck Haggard]

I started out on the job with red ramped revolvers, then went to standard sights on m 5906 after we started carrying 9mms. Back then I had fantastic night vision, no kidding, way, way better than almost everybody I worked around, cop or military. I still had problems seeing black sights, red ramps, or little white dots, in the dark.

I got my first set of Trijicons when those came out sometime in the early '90s, tried them on my 5906, never looked back since then. For me the only downside is the cost.

Except for the 3-3 1/2 year stint as our Rangemaster, I have spent the rest of my 27 years on the job on some sort of night shift, right now on 2nd shift so evenings. 18 years were spent on part time SWAT, with over 2000 activities in my time doing that. I've also spent quite a bit of time working with the guys from Strategos specifically on low-light training classes. My time playing with this stuff is not inconsiderable. I have also had a bit more time with looking at my sights in various public settings, in various lighting conditions, than most people can get away with before someone calls the cops on them.
I have mounted various night sights on Sim and airsoft guns and run them in FoF. I have even pulled the slide on various pistols to safely be able to run around town pointing the sights at various things, or mounted sights for T&E on a wood dummy gun I built for just such purposes.

Not trying to one up anybody, just noting my viewpoint and where I am coming from.

For pure day time shooting I think a FO front and black rear work best, for me and my eyes. By far. I have that exact set-up on a gun I am playing with as a dedicated match and training gun.
However, at work and for my off-duty G19 I am carrying the Ameriglo green tritium/orange outline front-black rear with yellow trit, the same as the "Spartan" sights on the Ameriglo site. They seem to work best in the widest range of lighting conditions. I have shot them in midsummer full sun/high noon doing IDPA and USPSA, and in low light during training (and at a couple of varmints...). These were the sights on my G19 when I took 2nd place at the shoot during the last Tac Conference.

[GardoneVT]

Could there be a difference of mission which influences the benefits or drawbacks of night sights?

Example- when I had my close call self defense case, the target was clear and it was dusk- plenty of light to see both the sights, and ID the guy with his right hand in his hoodie pocket as being bad news. Given how civil self defense , usually , legally requires acting AFTER a criminals already initiated hostilities, picking out who to shoot wouldn't be as much of a challenge as a LEO or military member responding to a dynamic situation already happening.

Ergo, in civil defense the bad guy usually IDs himself by nature of their attack. In Public Service you're coming into a situation unaware initially of the players, which makes ID more critical.

[Mr_White]

Not trying to one up anybody, just noting my viewpoint and where I am coming from.

I know you're not, and that background is why I really appreciate your comments. Thank you.

[Chuck Haggard]

Could there be a difference of mission which influences the benefits or drawbacks of night sights?

Example- when I had my close call self defense case, the target was clear and it was dusk- plenty of light to see both the sights, and ID the guy with his right hand in his hoodie pocket as being bad news. Given how civil self defense , usually , legally requires acting AFTER a criminals already initiated hostilities, picking out who to shoot wouldn't be as much of a challenge as a LEO or military member responding to a dynamic situation already happening.

Ergo, in civil defense the bad guy usually IDs himself by nature of their attack. In Public Service you're coming into a situation unaware initially of the players, which makes ID more critical.

How would tritium sights detract from that scenario?

[TCinVA]

Could there be a difference of mission which influences the benefits or drawbacks of night sights?

Example- when I had my close call self defense case, the target was clear and it was dusk- plenty of light to see both the sights, and ID the guy with his right hand in his hoodie pocket as being bad news. Given how civil self defense , usually , legally requires acting AFTER a criminals already initiated hostilities, picking out who to shoot wouldn't be as much of a challenge as a LEO or military member responding to a dynamic situation already happening.

Ergo, in civil defense the bad guy usually IDs himself by nature of their attack. In Public Service you're coming into a situation unaware initially of the players, which makes ID more critical.

You're talking about determining the difference between a threat and a non-threat. That's white light territory.

Night sights are a "I've already determined that guy is a threat, and all he's exposed is half of his face and his gun hand around a concrete wall, and I need to shoot him in the face before he does the same to me." device.

White lights are an instrument to help you make the decision to shoot. Low light sighting methods are devices you use once the decision to shoot has been made. Once I've decided that guy needs to get shot, the tritium sights or a laser are just there to help me guide the bullet into his anatomy vice anyone/thing else. Tritium dots and lasers have nothing to do with identifying a threat.

At best all they can tell you is whether or not you can make the shot you need to make in the moment you're trying to make it. If we consider the plight of a police officer who is trying to engage a bad guy with innocents around, the feedback from his sights may, at best, tell them that it would be too risky to innocents to attempt the shot. Or, conversely, because he has tritium/laser he might have enough aiming precision to make a shot where he otherwise wouldn't.

[Wendell]

...virtually every high level USPSA shooter uses a fiber optic front sight...

In Rattenkrieg (http://www.amazon.com/Rattenkrieg-Science-Quarters-Battle-Pistol/dp/0977265943) (Ch. 2, Pg. 49-50), Robert Taubert said: "The biggest problem with sight selection is front sights that are so wide they obscure the target at longer ranges...front sights should be no larger than .90-.100". However, tritium nightsight inserts often require that the manufacturer use a meatier front sight post."

[Rosco Benson]

I prefer to have a tritium vial in the front sight only. That said, vials in the rear sight don't particularly bother me. I just hate paying for stuff that I don't really need or want. It would be great if TruGlo's TFO patent would expire or if they would license other makers to use their arrangement to make quality sights (the TruGlos are not very durable, limited in fit choices, and only available as front/rear sets).

I recall having a conversation with Ken Hackathorn many years ago wherein we were discussing the utility of night sights. We both knew and could demonstrate that one's normal presentation to one's normal stance (I hate the term "stance", but you know what I mean) would yield good hits on targets at typical pistol engagement ranges, even if it was too dark to see the sights well. What Ken interjected was his observation that once one deviated from one's habituated stance (to use cover, etc), that the night sights were a BIG help.

Anyway, I want a tritium front sight, a hand-held light, and a weapon-mounted light, if I can arrange it. If you need it and don't have it, you can't go fetch it.

Rosco

[TheTrevor]

Anyway, I want a tritium front sight, a hand-held light, and a weapon-mounted light, if I can arrange it. If you need it and don't have it, you can't go fetch it.

Truth.

[David Armstrong]

Dudes killed a lot of bad guys with M1 garands, you don't see them still in use because better options and advantages have come along.
Different options with different advantages have come along. I don't know that they are better!;)
Regarding the night sights, I've had to bring my gun out a number of times when it was/would be difficult to see non-illuminated sights but that tritium sure was easy to find. I don't say they are essential but I do know that given the choice I'll put them on my fighting handgun every time I can.

[breakingtime91]

Different options with different advantages have come along. I don't know that they are better!;)
Regarding the night sights, I've had to bring my gun out a number of times when it was/would be difficult to see non-illuminated sights but that tritium sure was easy to find. I don't say they are essential but I do know that given the choice I'll put them on my fighting handgun every time I can.


I met a Korean War vet (0311) who was greeting us when I came back from my second deployment. We got on the topic of combat and he said "I would of really liked more bullets like you marines carry now but man that -06 could sure drop those bastards." I love talking to older vets, so much perspective lol.

[Casual Friday]

I've pointed a gun at people (legally) in low light, no light, and daylight and in each instance the necessity of having to maybe shoot them was very real. In one of those lighting conditions, the night sights were unnecessary but they certainly didn't hurt anything being there along for the ride. My last carry gun did not have night sights and I really never was comfortable with that.

I run what I call the Fakeathorn's. I black sharpie'd the rear tritium vials on my Sig Lite night sights to make them slightly dimmer and painted the front hi viz orange. If a pair of Ameriglo Hackathorn sights and a pair of Trijicon HD sights had a little poor white trash baby, it would look like the night sights on my Sig Pro.

[EM_]

For pure day time shooting I think a FO front and black rear work best, for me and my eyes. By far. I have that exact set-up on a gun I am playing with as a dedicated match and training gun.
However, at work and for my off-duty G19 I am carrying the Ameriglo green tritium/orange outline front-black rear with yellow trit, the same as the "Spartan" sights on the Ameriglo site. They seem to work best in the widest range of lighting conditions. I have shot them in midsummer full sun/high noon doing IDPA and USPSA, and in low light during training (and at a couple of varmints...). These were the sights on my G19 when I took 2nd place at the shoot during the last Tac Conference.

On a tangent those sights were developed by a good friend of mine who is not only a helluva shooter/teacher but also has the real world experience to back it up. Quite a few of us in my old job went to them and were quite happy.

[Chuck Haggard]

I met a Korean War vet (0311) who was greeting us when I came back from my second deployment. We got on the topic of combat and he said "I would of really liked more bullets like you marines carry now but man that -06 could sure drop those bastards." I love talking to older vets, so much perspective lol.

My dad was a vet of both Korea and Vietnam. He shot a lot of dudes with a variety of guns over the years, he didn't note one worked much better than the other on open air shots, but that the "black tip" 30-06 could put a hurt on someone through quite a bit of barrier.


Casual, lots of use have made our own sights like that over the years, nothing wrong with it.

[breakingtime91]

My dad was a vet of both Korea and Vietnam. He shot a lot of dudes with a variety of guns over the years, he didn't note one worked much better than the other on open air shots, but that the "black tip" 30-06 could put a hurt on someone through quite a bit of barrier.


Casual, lots of use have made our own sights like that over the years, nothing wrong with it.


Man, your dad was a warrior. Honestly that was my experience with 5.56 vs 7.62 for barriers. Another thing we noticed with 5.56 green tip was it drifted in even light wind heavily- which seemed like everytime lol.

[psalms144.1]

Put me down for tritiums. I want them on every pistol I might conceivably carry for serious use. I don't find them "distracting," and I've never personally been able to really draw a pistol so kittened-up that I "misaligned" the front sight to the right or left of the rears, though people I trust completely say they've seen it happen. In a perfect world, every pistol I owned would have an Ameriglo Pro-Glow orange outline front sight, mated to the Ameriglo "Operator" rears with amber tritium vials. Unfortunately, that configuration is ONLY available for my Glocks, which I find myself falling out of love with, recently. On my P2000, I have standard Meprolights, to which the red sharpie treatment on the rear sights is the best alternative for me.

I have a WML on my pistols in my nightstand safe, and every day I carry my Surefire Fury on my belt (along with cuffs, spare mag(s), phones, knife, etc) and do so in "street clothes" every day. For me, there's simply no reason to make this an either/or - it's TOO easy to have both.

Regards,

Kevin

[KevinB]

It is near impossible to misalign the sights that bad unless your in a very unconventional shooting position (which can happen) -- my biggest bitch about rear tritium is the vials are usually the same brightness as the front (but closer to your eye) - so I use the Ken Hackathorn method and run them over with a black sharpie marker to dim them.

[jetfire]

I am the gamiest of the gamers.

My carry guns have tritium sights on them for a reason. In fact, when I shoot the S&W Indoor Nats which involves low-light and no light shooting, I'm usually very glad for my tritium sights. There are stages there where if you have good night sights, you don't need a flashlight, which means you can focus on pure shooting.

[Chuck Haggard]

It is near impossible to misalign the sights that bad unless your in a very unconventional shooting position (which can happen) -- my biggest bitch about rear tritium is the vials are usually the same brightness as the front (but closer to your eye) - so I use the Ken Hackathorn method and run them over with a black sharpie marker to dim them.

That's where I suggest people use a red Sharpie. Works really well to dim the rear dots.

[GJM]

I am the gamiest of the gamers.

My carry guns have tritium sights on them for a reason. In fact, when I shoot the S&W Indoor Nats which involves low-light and no light shooting, I'm usually very glad for my tritium sights. There are stages there where if you have good night sights, you don't need a flashlight, which means you can focus on pure shooting.

Given a choice on those low and no light stages, would you rather have a good CT grip mounted laser to "focus on pure shooting?"

[jetfire]

Given a choice on those low and no light stages, would you rather have a good CT grip mounted laser to "focus on pure shooting?"

Duh and/or hello.

Mind you, on these stages a white light isn't necessary for target ID, on other stages at Indoor Nats it certainly is. But if I don't have to futz around with my light, I'd rather not.

[KevinB]

Duh and/or hello.

Mind you, on these stages a white light isn't necessary for target ID, on other stages at Indoor Nats it certainly is. But if I don't have to futz around with my light, I'd rather not.

WML...

Just saying the Incompetent Doofus Pistola Association should wake up..

[Keltyke]

Good use of a flashlight seems to accomplish everything I need to do with sights.
That flashlight does one more thing the tritium sights don't do - it makes a dandy target for the BG to aim at.

[jetfire]

That flashlight does one more thing the tritium sights don't do - it makes a dandy target for the BG to aim at.

Sigh.

[PPGMD]

It is near impossible to misalign the sights that bad unless your in a very unconventional shooting position (which can happen) -- my biggest bitch about rear tritium is the vials are usually the same brightness as the front (but closer to your eye) - so I use the Ken Hackathorn method and run them over with a black sharpie marker to dim them.

I've suggested to Trijicon that they should sell HDs with yellow rear tubes, it fixes both issues.

[KevinB]

That flashlight does one more thing the tritium sights don't do - it makes a dandy target for the BG to aim at.

Hence Low Light training and training on the usage of lights.

I mean with your logic I should just stay home 24/7 then the Badguys would not have a target right?

[jetfire]

Hence Low Light training and training on the usage of lights.

I mean with your logic I should just stay home 24/7 then the Badguys would not have a target right?

No way man, you might give away your position during a home invasion!

[cclaxton]

Just finished shooting the Virginia Indoor Regional IDPA Sanctioned Match. Five of the stages were in total darkness. Once the lights went out, the lights did not go back on until all five shooters had shot one of their stages. That allowed our eyes to get used to the darkness.

1) I was reasonably proficient using my Cz75 with a Tritium only on the Front Sight while holding a flashlight "cigar style" in my weak hand. I am convinced that a Tritium, at least on the Front, is necessary in the dark. And, I don't think a fiber on the front would have been better.
2) I found the Tritium useless for targets I had to shoot when I did a temple hold on the flashlight because the white light splash. That happened on two stages: One stage required Strong Hand Only. The other was because we had a "pick-up flashlight" that was too large to shoot "cigar-style" and I used temple-hold.
3) Awareness of how the shadows are being cast is a significant issue for me, at least. In some cases I needed to move to avoid shadows being cast on targets. In other cases I needed to use FBI-hold to see the targets well enough to engage them Strong Hand Only.

I am still undecided on rear-sight tritiums. I shot well enough with a single front sight tritiuim on a 15 yard target without tritiums in the rear sight.

My shooting buddy is a big believer in laser grips for real threat situations because you don't have to aim to put a laser on a threat target and pull the trigger. You could be holding the gun Strong Hand Only and shoot without sighting. I totally see the value in that. For my carry gun, looking for laser grips now.

Cody

[Dagga Boy]

That flashlight does one more thing the tritium sights don't do - it makes a dandy target for the BG to aim at.

Always sucks having to PID targets before you engage them..........life would be so much easier to just put your sight on whatever you can see on the light conditions you have been given and let er rip. There is the other thing tritium can't do........find bad guys hiding in darkness..........but you have to turn it on to do that.

[Rosco Benson]

That flashlight does one more thing the tritium sights don't do - it makes a dandy target for the BG to aim at.

Pat Rogers said "lights ARE bullet magnets, but most people can't shoot for sh*t".

If I can positively ID the target as a threat, there's no reason to use a light. If I can't positively ID the target, then I have to light it up. No choice but to do so.

Rosco

[orionz06]

Always sucks having to PID targets before you engage them..........life would be so much easier to just put your sight on whatever you can see on the light conditions you have been given and let er rip. There is the other thing tritium can't do........find bad guys hiding in darkness..........but you have to turn it on to do that.

So we have to think?

[HCM]

Anyway, I want a tritium front sight, a hand-held light, and a weapon-mounted light, if I can arrange it. If you need it and don't have it, you can't go fetch it.

Rosco

Yes please ! I'll take all the advantage I can get. As my old Ukranian partner used to say " What is this "fair fight" you are talking about?".

Personally, I like 2 dot or "fakeathorn" sight set ups for the rear reference.