FNH FNS9 Two Weeks and 2,265 rounds

[LangdonTactical]

I picked up an FNS 9mm almost two weeks ago. As some of you know, I had started shooting a carrying a G19 for a while because of classes I was teaching to Glock Agencies. A friend of mind suggested that I take a look at the FNS9 as it would be comparable to a G19 but with a manual safety, which makes it a little more AIWB friendly.

I got an all black, 4 inch version with night sights and manual safety. They make the gun without the safety for those that are so inclined.

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First range trip was just to check the zero and see where the sights hit. I have to say that I was very impressed with the accuracy of the gun as well as the point of impact. The sights were not only dead on, the gun shot a 2" group at 20 yards with no sweat. It also had no issue digesting my carry ammo along with a few hundred more rounds of my full power reloads.

Recoil impulse is on par with a G19, maybe just a hair snappier. I would say that is due to what feels like a very heavy recoil spring. I would guess that it is quite a bit more recoil spring that it needs to be, but then I would expect that it has been calibrated to run with full power +p+ loads like WCC NATO 9mm. I am considering playing around with the recoil spring weight a little to see how that impacts recoil impulse. I did not want to do that until I had finished the 2000 round test.

The trigger has quite a different feel to it that other striker fired guns I have used. From inspection it appears that the pre travel in the trigger is moving the striker the whole time and then the trigger seem to come to a very noticeable break point. So more striker movement than a Glock for sure. The M&P and the XD are both basically fully cocked striker systems, so no comparison there at all. The interesting thing is that the reset on the trigger is fairly short for a stock striker fired gun even though it has all that pre travel in the trigger. Basically the sear cocks the striker and then rotates down to release the striker at the end of the trigger pull. When the gun fires and the slide cycles, the sear pops back up very much like an M&P, except that it moves back and forth with the trigger bar system. It is a very interesting trigger system and a different approach for sure. It gives a nice prep point if you will, but then has a rolling break, a very unique feel for sure.

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The mag well on the gun is almost like a competition gun and one of the fastest reloading guns I have ever used. I was able to do some sub 1 second reloads with this gun and that is something that has been very elusive for me with other guns.

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The mag button was also very easy for me to use and with my large hands I did not have to change my grip at all to drop a magazine. It is a push button type and fully ambidextrous, so one could chose to use the thumb or trigger finger without switching anything.

The slide stop is also ambidextrous, but it is clear that they designed it as a slide lock and not a slide release. While I was able to use it as a slide release for emergency reloads, it is harder than most guns that I have been using and I could see that some may really have and issue here. If you are a person that manually releases the slide by racking it, then no issues here at all.

The night sights that come with the gun are not bad at all. FN was smart enough to only put the white ring on the front sight and leave the rear sight with just plain inserts. This worked quite well for me as I was able to paint the white ring orange, like I do on almost all of my guns, and have a sight picture that I am fairly used to.

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The rear sight is a U notch configuration and I do like that. As I said, for stock sights they are pretty darn good.
Now, they did put serrations on the rear sight and left the front sight plain, I would switch that around for sure. The other issue I have is the rear sight is a sloped design, think Novak's, so using the rear sight to clear malfunctions is not a good option. Given the heavy recoil spring, doing one handed malfunction drills is a challenge I can assure you.

More in the next post.

[LangdonTactical]

The grip texture is on the rough side for sure. Someone told me it is like that to pass the bloody glove test. Knowing how slippery blood is, I can see that logic. I did have to take some sand paper to the left panel area right where my strong hand finger tips contacted that side of the gun. On the second range outing, those little texture bumps were starting to get the best of me. After rounding them down a little, I have had no issues since.

On the grip texture issue. It is not just FN, but all gun companies seem to not texture the most important part of the grip for me. Right under the slide stop and below the safety area where my left palm drives against the gun. Why do they all think that needs to be smooth? That is one of the places that I want the most texture on a gun.

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They all don't want to run the texture up to where I want it! But that is why they make skate board tape and wood burning/soldering guns :)

I also had to grind the back corners of the slide, which I have to do to almost every gun I own. So that is nothing new. I grip the gun as high as I can, and after the first range session the rear cocking serrations at the bottom of the slide were leaving a nice cut right across the knuckle of my right thumb. I have had to get sewn up there before and Gocks without bevertails do me in every time.

Now I feel like I keep pointing to things I don't like. Well I can do that with every gun ever made. Let's talk about all the stuff they did right.

Accuracy! This thing is a tack driver. One of the most if not the most accurate striker fired guns I have ever shot. The lock up on the gun is rock solid and it shows when you're shooting it. It does not have the tell tale sign of the slide moving on the gun when the striker releases. Striker fired guns have the issue of the recoil spring trying to hold the gun in battery while the trigger movement is pushing on the striker in the other direction. In the case of the FNS, this thing seems to be rock solid.

The internals of the gun look really well made. They are using stamped steel parts like other companies, but it all looks and feels to be really solid and much thicker. The trigger bow/bar is double sided. Kind of like a CZ or say a 1911. It comes around both sides of the magazine to push the sear unit to the rear. It appears to be a really solid set up.

Front cocking serrations. I am a fan of front cocking serrations on a handgun. I don't care if it is a 4" gun, or even less. I like them and it gives me options for manipulating the slide.

Trigger guard. They did a good job here. I don't feel the need to take a grinder to the trigger guard where my strong hand middle finger goes. Factory Glocks just cause me all kind of issues there. In fact almost every gun on the market could use some rounding in that spot, some more than others for me.

Safety lever. I was very surprised at how well it works. It is very small, but when I started training with this gun, I decided that it was best that I practice with the safety on most of the time so that I get used to taking it off safe during the draw stroke. I did not want to have the issue of having left it on safe and or it inadvertently getting placed on safe while carrying it. That could be really bad and wanted to make sure I was taking it off safe or at least going through the motions of taking it off safe. It was surprisingly easy to take off safe quickly as a natural part of the process. Since I have spent quite a bit of time shooting a 1911, it was not a hard adjustment at all.

Magazines seem to be very solid and well made. No issue here at all and I have been working with the three that come with the gun. I guess I am going to have to break down and go get some more. I have an issue with magazines, if I don't have at least 10 for the gun, I don't really have that gun.

Holsters. I had heard that the FNS would work in and M&P holster. Well I find that is kind of true. It works in some M&P holsters and it works in some Glock 19 holsters, but it really comes down to how the holster is made. I spent most of the time I carried the gun using my JM Custom AIWB for a Glock 17. Was it a perfect fit, no. Did it hold the gun well, conceal it well, safely, while giving me very fast AIWB draws,, YES. I also found the FNS would fit in a Galco holster I had for a G19 as well as one or two of my Safariland holsters for the M&P (it did not fit in Safariland Glock holsters by the way). I did not want to buy a holster when I got the gun as someone was good to me and talked me into pre ordering an In-Victus as soon as I started down this path. A buddy of mine pulled some strings and Mark Garrity got the holster made for me and it arrived ahead of when I thought it would be here. I know some here have had issues with his delivery times and the like from Mark. I have heard he is back on schedule and meeting delivery times these days. What I will say is that he delivered a great product.

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When I first got the holster and put the gun in it, it looked as though it was not going to work well. The barrel area of the holster looked really short and I thought for sure I was going to have roll over issues with the short 4" barrel and the full size grip loaded with 17 rounds. Boy was I wrong. I don't know how he does it, but it really tucks in well. And it is super comfy. I have been wearing it almost not stop for 4 days and I really am impressed. It is also pretty damn fast. I did have it made for a FNS40 just in case I had to go down that road. The FNS40 has a wider slide at the top and so the 9mm fits just a little looser in the holster. It holds it fine as the rest of the gun is the same, but it lets it go very nicely and I have no issue getting good draw times with this holster.

All in all I have to say that I am quite impressed with the FNS. This is a real contender in the Striker Fired market and it will be interesting to see how well they do. I did hear that Baltimore PD went to FNS 40 5inch guns. So they must be doing something right.

Hope you all like the review.

Ernest Langdon

[JAD]

Really well done, and tempting. Were you able to ride the safety, or do you just wipe it? Were you able to reapply it when dismounting the gun, or only when holstering?

[LangdonTactical]

Really well done, and tempting. Were you able to ride the safety, or do you just wipe it? Were you able to reapply it when dismounting the gun, or only when holstering?

I would not say that I was able to or even tried to "ride" the safety like you would on say a 1911 with a nice ledge to put my thumb on. I basically swiped it off when I drew and swiped it back on when I went to holster. I feel like I would treat this gun like it was a striker fired gun that did not have a safety, except for the holster and draw part. At least that is what I am doing right now. I may have to think that one through a little more?

[JSGlock34]

Thanks for the review; very informative. Look forward to your 2014 class schedule as well!

[Trukinjp13]

Awesome review! Have the same one! Switched from a g19, never looking back. The fns just feels so nice in my hand. Never could warm up to the g19. Also since my shield I liked having the safety model. This way both my striker fired guns are set up pretty close.

[Vinh]

Thanks for the informative review!


On the grip texture issue. It is not just FN, but all gun companies seem to not texture the most important part of the grip for me. Right under the slide stop and below the safety area where my left palm drives against the gun. Why to they all think that needs to be smooth? That is one of the places that I want the most texture on a gun.
This is one of the reasons my modern HK pistols stay in the safe, my cold performance with them is abysmal due to the recessed area under the slide stop that lacks texture.

[JV_]

Awesome review, thanks. I admit, I've never considered an FNS before - but that's changed.

[GJM]

How do you assess the shootability of the FNS compared to the P30 and Beretta 92? Did they get rid of that problem, reported early one, where the gun could be tied up with an odd set, exactly what I have forgotten, of manipulations?

[JV_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AicVIt_PNLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h2KvmbzfmmI


GJM - I *think* it was fixed on new guns, but old guns were not recalled/updated.

[texasaggie2005]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was fixed in the newer iterations. I had an older FNS9 with the lockup issue, I sold it last year with full disclosure.

[5pins]

Maybe I’m missing something but why would someone push their trigger forward after pulling it and without racking the slide first?

[JHC]

Maybe I’m missing something but why would someone push their trigger forward after pulling it and without racking the slide first?

Yeah IMO it was so obscure as to be basically a non-issue but it's nice they are eliminated it.

[JHC]

This is a great review thread and as someone long, deeply and happily invested in a battery of Glocks, I think this is a very very interesting alternative. I too have a long and still intuitive feel for wiping off a frame mounted safety from my 1911 life and would like such on my striker guns.

Mr. Langdon, if it is convenient; as you get some miles on this, I'd be fascinated to see a picture of your two handed grip to see your high thumb placement vis a vis that safety since you point out it isn't the sort one would ride like some 1911 safeties.

Thanks much.

[Kyle Reese]

Following this thread with great interest.

[PPGMD]

I got to agree, if they make a long slide without a safety I might pick one up to try.

[LangdonTactical]

I got to agree, if they make a long slide without a safety I might pick one up to try.

They make a 5 inch gun without a safety for sure. I played with one at my local gun shop. It has me thinking as well.

[LangdonTactical]

Mr. Langdon, if it is convenient; as you get some miles on this, I'd be fascinated to see a picture of your two handed grip to see your high thumb placement vis a vis that safety since you point out it isn't the sort one would ride like some 1911 safeties.

Thanks much.

So I don't think I can answer your question with a picture. So I made a quick, low quality video. Let me know if this helps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppYzRhD9SMk&feature=youtu.be

[shane45]

5pins, IIRC pushing the trigger forward was just a way to replicate the issue, not the actual issue. I believe the actual issue would reveal its self during clearing malfunctions.

Shane

[JAD]

Thanks for the additional detail, it's very clear. Is it fair to say that while you're not riding it (exerting pressure downwards), you're on it (your thumb is where the safety would be if it were engaged), as opposed to below it?

[MD7305]

5pins, IIRC pushing the trigger forward was just a way to replicate the issue, not the actual issue. I believe the actual issue would reveal its self during clearing malfunctions.

Shane

That's correct in my experience, primarily during tap-rack procedures. From what I've read the issue has been resolved. During my short time with an FNS I really liked everything about it but the lockup issue ruined it for me. If the issue has been addressed I'd be tempted to get my hands on one again.

[LangdonTactical]

Thanks for the additional detail, it's very clear. Is it fair to say that while you're not riding it (exerting pressure downwards), you're on it (your thumb is where the safety would be if it were engaged), as opposed to below it?

Yes for sure, it is pretty much below my strong thumb.

[LangdonTactical]

That's correct in my experience, primarily during tap-rack procedures. From what I've read the issue has been resolved. During my short time with an FNS I really liked everything about it but the lockup issue ruined it for me. If the issue has been addressed I'd be tempted to get my hands on one again.

I did hear about that issue and I am not exactly sure how you make it happen. I know I tried it on my gun by pulling the trigger and then pushing it back forward, it did not lock up the gun? So I don't know what to tell you?

[klewis]

I had an FNS and loved it, but the trigger locking problem encouraged me to sell it. I initially mentally discarded it, as well, but found it happening on a reload occasionally during one-handed drills (when the muzzle isn't pointing upward), where the force of insertion, combined with the little displacement of air, would push the trigger forward, prematurely auto advance the slide, and then lock the slide in the forward position with no round in the chamber. This wasn't an every time thing, it only happened to me twice in 5000 rounds. Still, it was unacceptable to me, and FN wasn't interested in fixing it, or even admitting it could happen, so I sold it with disclosure.

Outside of the problem, it was a fantastically accurate gun, with perfect ergos for my hands, a huge magwell for fast reloads, great trigger, grippy frame texture, and the best factory sights I've seen (front sight width to rear sight gap is a little high, could use a diet), all for roughly the price of a Glock.

If the issue is fixed, I'd consider one of the long slides, despite being a bit soured by FN customer service over the issue, simply because it was a great gun in all other senses.

There is no aftermarket, basically, but it's not a gun that needs a huge aftermarket because so many things are done correctly from the start, IMO.

[JV_]

From where are you guys sourcing FN parts? Directly?

[5pins]

5pins, IIRC pushing the trigger forward was just a way to replicate the issue, not the actual issue. I believe the actual issue would reveal its self during clearing malfunctions.

Shane

OK, that makes sense then.

[LangdonTactical]

where the force of insertion, combined with the little displacement of air, would push the trigger forward, prematurely auto advance the slide, and then lock the slide in the forward position with no round in the chamber. .

OK, now I am tracking on how it could happen. So on my gun, even if I make that happen, the slide still racks. I can feel a slight catch, more than likely where the striker has go jump back over the now forward sear, but it is no harder than the unlocking of the gun. So I have not seen that issue and I am guessing they have done something to address the issue.

[LangdonTactical]

From where are you guys sourcing FN parts? Directly?

What parts, I don't have any parts. I have the gun, three mags and a holster. I am using a P30 mag pouch :)

I saw that Dave Sevigny has Warren sights for them now on his website. Might have to pick some of those up?

[klewis]

Yes, if your slide racks in that condition, they have fixed it. When not fixed, you have to pull the trigger and wonder if the slide auto advanced with or without a round in the chamber. Hence, I sold it.

[jaschutz79]

The Sevigny sights are great. Using a .105 front with a .150 rear. Really digging the sight picture.

[JHC]

I had an FNS and loved it, but the trigger locking problem encouraged me to sell it. I initially mentally discarded it, as well, but found it happening on a reload occasionally during one-handed drills (when the muzzle isn't pointing upward), where the force of insertion, combined with the little displacement of air, would push the trigger forward, prematurely auto advance the slide, and then lock the slide in the forward position with no round in the chamber. This wasn't an every time thing, it only happened to me twice in 5000 rounds. Still, it was unacceptable to me, and FN wasn't interested in fixing it, or even admitting it could happen, so I sold it with disclosure.

Outside of the problem, it was a fantastically accurate gun, with perfect ergos for my hands, a huge magwell for fast reloads, great trigger, grippy frame texture, and the best factory sights I've seen (front sight width to rear sight gap is a little high, could use a diet), all for roughly the price of a Glock.

If the issue is fixed, I'd consider one of the long slides, despite being a bit soured by FN customer service over the issue, simply because it was a great gun in all other senses.

There is no aftermarket, basically, but it's not a gun that needs a huge aftermarket because so many things are done correctly from the start, IMO.

Thanks for the details. That makes it more problematic than as I understood it to be. Good thing to fix. ;)

[fixer]

hmmm. accurate, reliable, g-19 sized...my attention is here. Thanks for the review.

[klewis]

More a G19 slide on a G17 frame with a slightly flared magwell.

[LangdonTactical]

More a G19 slide on a G17 frame with a slightly flared magwell.

Yup, what he said :)

[Gary1911A1]

I like mine. I'd be interested in an extended safety aftermarket or factory part.

[TigerStripe]

Mr. Langdon, does the FNS have M&P-like ergonomics? I've held a couple in gun stores but have yet to shoot one.

[warbird]

Have the FNS40. No need to change anything. Perfection IMHO. Excellent report. Thanks.

[Trooper224]

The FNS9 is one of my recent purchases. I was going to offer a review as one of my first posts here, but Langdon said it well and with more authority than I could.

I was looking for an off duty weapon to replace my 1911 and settled on the FNS9. Like many, I cut my shooting teeth on the 1911, carried one in the military and used it as an off duty piece for the last twenty years. As I approach fifty I'm finding that father time is catching up with me. After spending two decades strapped up in forty pounds of gear, as well as rolling a patrol car three time is rapid succession back in '95, I find my back to be in less than optimal shape. That big steel pistol was really starting to stress my lower back. I also have arthritis setting into my right wrist due to an old injury, so the pounding of .45 service loads during a range session has become less than pleasent.

have years of experience with the Glock as a service weapon, but my emotionalism caused me to hang onto the 1911 when I could. Several months ago I shot a coworkers M&P .45 with an APEX trigger installed and that started me wondering if was time for a change. I looked at most of the plastic fantastics currently available and settled on the FNS9. It was probably the most objective firearms purchase I've ever made. I find all the polymer guns to be totally lacking in style and as ugly as sin. So there was no emotional bias involved, nor a need for style points. This was a decision based on practicality. I found that I prefered the FN's ergonomics and control layout over other options. The trigger is pretty good for a striker fired pistol as well. The LE discount was also an added bonus. I had read about the slide lock up issues wth early examples and handled the ten to fifteen examples my local shop had in inventory. None of them exhibited any such issue.

I chose an all black model, with night sights and without a thumb safety. So far I've fired a thousand rounds through it without a single malfunction. This has included 124grn Speer GDs, 124grn Golden Sabers and 147grn Federal HSTs. One hundred of each with the rest consisting of 124grn RNL handloads. I been very pleased with the pistols accuracy. Six to eight round two-inch groups off hand at twenty five yards are common. I'm a long time bullseye shooter, and while this would be disappointing in that context I'm very pleased with it from a striker fired service pistol. My guns trigger came out of the box at 7.5 pounds, but has smoothed out and settled in at 6.5 with a nice clean break. Better than my issued G22. I've used the pistol in a couple of local IDPA matches and it performs well there. I find that it responds well in speed drills: Mozambique, El Pesidente, etc.

In a way it galls me to say it, but the FNS has really grown on me. The only criticism I can make concerns the lack of a ledge on the rear sight, but Trijicon offers a replacement if that's a sticking point. I haven't yet decided if it is for me. One of the gigs on the pistol has been lack of aftermarket support. My prefered holster maker offers it in their line, and I had no trouble finding several more in both Kydex and leather. Magazines are available from Midway, Brownells and CDNN and while they may not be cheap, I've often paid as much for 1911 magazines so it's all perspective. I don't see any other support being neccessary. Some may want a trigger kit, but I find the stock trigger perfectly servicable for a carry piece. My 1911s are now reserved for bullseye matches and nostalgic afternoons. I can't find anything lacking on the FNS9 and consider it a fine piece of gear.

Hmmm, that was rather long winded for a guy who wasn't going to write a review!

[Trukinjp13]

Nice review trooper!

[LangdonTactical]

Yes, nicely done. Sounds like we agree on this for sure. I am looking into sights as well, that is my one big hang up right now. I need a rear sight with a hook, or at least I would like one. I have done one handed drills with it, but it would be much easier and I would have more options if the rear sight was hooked. I have even considered taking off the stock rear sight and just grinding it back to the dove tail so that it was flat :)

[Dave Berryhill]

...The only criticism I can make concerns the lack of a ledge on the rear sight, but Trijicon offers a replacement if that's a sticking point. I haven't yet decided if it is for me. One of the gigs on the pistol has been lack of aftermarket support. ...

I think the aftermarket support will come, especially if the FNS gets adopted by a large agency or two. Don't forget that most companies in the industry are running at 110% just to keep up with the current demand so adding new products will probably take a little time.

I've had the chance to play with an FNS a little and I like it.

[klewis]

http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/fns-sights/FN607

Not perfect by any means, but might be easier to make a good hook with. I have ordered there before (when I had my FNS in fact, for mags), and they're good to go.

[Trooper224]

Yes, nicely done. Sounds like we agree on this for sure. I am looking into sights as well, that is my one big hang up right now. I need a rear sight with a hook, or at least I would like one. I have done one handed drills with it, but it would be much easier and I would have more options if the rear sight was hooked. I have even considered taking off the stock rear sight and just grinding it back to the dove tail so that it was flat :)

Thanks. I've thought about doing the same thing. The Trijicon offering looks good to go, but the price is a bit steep.
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=FN102-C-600704

[LangdonTactical]

Thanks. I've thought about doing the same thing. The Trijicon offering looks good to go, but the price is a bit steep.
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=FN102-C-600704

Yeah, and a 6 week lead time?

[Trooper224]

Yeah, and a 6 week lead time?

Must be made by elves living in a tree.

[YVK]

I bought sights from them twice in last year. Both times they were shipped in 3 days despite official lead time of 8 weeks. I call rather than use online ordering.

[Chuck Whitlock]

As someone with small hands (glove size 7C), how does the grip size (front-back) and trigger reach compare to, say, a Gen3 Glock and a Smith M&P?

[TheNewbie]

Is there any way to tell if the trigger issue has been fixed on a particular gun?

Dates, serial numbers, visual, etc?

[Trooper224]

As someone with small hands (glove size 7C), how does the grip size (front-back) and trigger reach compare to, say, a Gen3 Glock and a Smith M&P?

I find the front to back reach to be a bit less than a Glock, with the flat back strap installed. I have large hands and use the arched back strap. The overall circumference of the grip seems a bit more narrow to me when compared to a M&P9. I'd say the trigger reach is comparable to the Glock.

[Trooper224]

Is there any way to tell if the trigger issue has been fixed on a particular gun?

Dates, serial numbers, visual, etc?

You might try contacting FN to see if they can give you a cutoff date. Visually I don't know if there's a way to tell. When handling, try pulling the trigger, then push it forward and see if the slide locks up. If you're buying on line you can't do that, of course. Issues like this are why I don't buy guns on line. I'll willing pay a bit more to have the piece in hand before purchase.

[Trukinjp13]

Is there any way to tell if the trigger issue has been fixed on a particular gun?

Dates, serial numbers, visual, etc?

I believe post october 2012 they had the issue fixed. I have not heard of any past that date with the issue. But like was said safest bet is probably contacting fnh

[Navyguns]

I picked up a FNS 9 w/o safety last weekend. I must say this pistol is a very well thought out weapon. After shooting Glock's for a longtime, I will need to get used to the FNS trigger. Great reset.


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[Slavex]

There should be an industry standard for rear sight dovetails. Kinda like what they are trying to do with Key Mod on AR handguards.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I find the front to back reach to be a bit less than a Glock, with the flat back strap installed. I have large hands and use the arched back strap. The overall circumference of the grip seems a bit more narrow to me when compared to a M&P9. I'd say the trigger reach is comparable to the Glock.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Tamara]

There should be an industry standard for rear sight dovetails. Kinda like what they are trying to do with Key Mod on AR handguards.

IOW, HKs would still be different? ;)

[Stephen]

There should be an industry standard for rear sight dovetails. Kinda like what they are trying to do with Key Mod on AR handguards.

What would be even better would be STANAG 9x19 magazines for all double stack pistols :p

[Trukinjp13]

I picked up a FNS 9 w/o safety last weekend. I must say this pistol is a very well thought out weapon. After shooting Glock's for a longtime, I will need to get used to the FNS trigger. Great reset.


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The first time I shot my Fns-9 I loved the trigger. I came from a m&p with the newer trigger set up. Could never get used to the m&p after my g19. But the transition seemed to set me up for the fns. Has more pre travel like the m&p with a heavier trigger pull, but has the has the same feeling trigger and a strong shorter reset like the glock. Trigger smoothed out pretty fast too. I know one thing with the fns I was faster and more accurate at speed than the m&p or the glock.

[Rich]

How does it compare to the P30 as far as recoil?

[Clobbersaurus]

There should be an industry standard for rear sight dovetails. Kinda like what they are trying to do with Key Mod on AR handguards.

Agree.

Or you would think manufacturers would just be smart and use Glock rear dovetail dimensions. So many aftermarket sights available for that platform it's silly.

[JSGlock34]

There should be an industry standard for rear sight dovetails. Kinda like what they are trying to do with Key Mod on AR handguards.


Agree.

Or you would think manufacturers would just be smart and use Glock rear dovetail dimensions. So many aftermarket sights available for that platform it's silly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ

Seriously, I still can't believe how many different 1911 dovetails there are.

[Trukinjp13]

How does it compare to the P30 as far as recoil?

Imo I feel it has less recoil and also less then my g19. But that is just my opinion, I feel more comfortable with getting a good grip on the fns which also helps.

[Tamara]

There was an FNS-9 at the local fun store that the previous owner had started to stipple... and it looked like every time he got to a stopping point, he didn't like the way the border looked, so he stippled out a little farther... and wound up basically stippling the entire frame.

I bought it out of pity. It's not a bad stippling job, it's just that there's rather a lot of it.

I really liked the FNS-40L they had out for shootin' at the Crimson Trace M3GI last year, and if I'd run across this used 9 at the show this month rather than a couple weeks later, I probably wouldn't have bought the 2022.

[BJJ]

Ernest, thanks for the in depth review. It is helpful to read a review from someone of your abilities. I am seriously considering purchasing one of these but it does not look like I will have a chance to try one before I buy it. Can anyone comment on the perceived recoil of the FNS .40 as compared to a Glock 22?

[Highplains45]

Shot one two years ago and really liked it. While I prefer a Glock, this was a nice gun to shoot. But...try to pick a gun from an assortment as, in my experience, the trigger can have some variance in quality and trigger weight.

[Rich]

Imo I feel it has less recoil and also less then my g19. But that is just my opinion, I feel more comfortable with getting a good grip on the fns which also helps.

I can see that!

[PPGMD]

Ok bump for great justice.

I got my FNS-9L from FNH this week.

Ernie's first comment about the magazine well is 110% accurate. If someone asked me what I wanted on my perfect striker pistol I would point them to the FNS-9L for the slide release placement, magazine release placement (though figure out something different about it sticking out the other side), and the mag well.

The recoil was ok, about equal to other striker pistols. The trigger needs work. The roll pin hole on the grip gets annoying. It gets REALLY hot near the trigger pins and the take down lever.

And seriously how hard is it to find a holster for this gun? I like holsters with a semi-closed bottom so it can't be bumped out of the holster, so normal FNS-9 holsters are out. And I like one that uses the Tek-lok hole pattern so I can put my QLS fork on it. I checked my usual suspects Blade-tech had nothing, Comp-tac has no plans to make a holster for any FNS, and Safariland only makes duty holsters for the long slide.

I found one guy that might work, we will see if they get back to me.

I'm not having an issue about sights, as I bought as set off of Dave and Brooke at the cup. Just need to find them and install them.

[GJM]

I got one (standard length, thumb safety) in .40, to see if it would reliably launch 200 grain hard cast Double Tap. So far, it is, although I need to shoot more of them.

I am pleasantly surprised how nice it is to shoot, considering it is .40. Seems accurate, reliable so far through 100 "flawless" rounds of hard cast, AE FMJ and 180 HST. Trigger is fine, as are the factory night sights with the addition of orange paint to the front sight. As noted, big mag well. The magazines accept all 14 rounds of .40 without a struggle. Really like the texture. Not sure about the thumb safety. Like a safety but wish Tom made a Gadget for it.

For under $500 with night sights and three magazines, it is quite a bargain. Paid $550 for my Gen 4 G22, plus a KKM barrel, HD sights, larger mag release, grip plug and - connector at another $350, and that pistol still didn't launch the hard cast reliably.

If this pistol were born to parents named Harriet and Ken instead, it probably would already be very successful. Interestingly, I ordered it NIB off Gunbroker, and the first one I received a few weeks ago had a 2012 born date and the trigger/slide issue. Dealer replaced it with a "brand new" one from his distributor, Davidson's, and that came to me made in mid 2013 (fortunately without the trigger/slide problem). Doesn't suggest great sell through at their distributor level. Too bad, because it is a neat pistol.

[PPGMD]

Interestingly, I ordered it NIB off Gunbroker, and the first one I received a few weeks ago had a 2012 born date and the trigger/slide issue. Dealer replaced it with a "brand new" one from his distributor, Davidson's, and that came to me made in mid 2013 (fortunately without the trigger/slide problem). Doesn't suggest great sell through at their distributor level. Too bad, because it is a neat pistol.

My order got processed by FNH about two weeks ago (prize certificate), and came with a brass collection date of 04/15/2014 (tax day).

So it had been sitting in FNH's warehouse for almost three months, I don't know if that is unusual.

*shrugs* I have no idea why this pistol isn't more successful than it is.

[BaiHu]

There was an FNS-9 at the local fun store that the previous owner had started to stipple... and it looked like every time he got to a stopping point, he didn't like the way the border looked, so he stippled out a little farther... and wound up basically stippling the entire frame.

I bought it out of pity. It's not a bad stippling job, it's just that there's rather a lot of it.

Ummm...a picture is worth, like, a thousand stipples.

[okie john]

Interestingly, I ordered it NIB off Gunbroker, and the first one I received a few weeks ago had a 2012 born date and the trigger/slide issue. Dealer replaced it with a "brand new" one from his distributor, Davidson's, and that came to me made in mid 2013 (fortunately without the trigger/slide problem). Doesn't suggest great sell through at their distributor level. Too bad, because it is a neat pistol.

A friend who owns a local shop told me that these pistols are moving slowly enough that FNH is paying rebates to dealers/distributors who actually manage to move them.

That's unfortunate if true. They seem like solid pieces.


Okie John

[MSparks909]

Picked up a NIB FNS 9 Stainless (with safety) for $375 yesterday at an auction. Local sporting good dealer went bankrupt and everything was auctioned off. Put 175 rounds through it today and I have to say that the initial impressions are very strong. Accurate, easy to shoot accurately and fit my hand extremely well with the flat backstrap. Getting used to the trigger and plan to run this gun hard in the upcoming months alongside my recently purchased VP9 (inbound to FFL) and a NIB Gen3 G17 I purchased several weeks ago.

[HighSpeedBail]

Ive had my eye on the FNS for a while. Glad they cleared up the trigger issue.

Thanks for the review(s) and the comments.


HSB

[GJM]

I just shot 200 "flawless" rounds of AE ball and Speer TMJ thru the FNS .40, before my regularly scheduled Beretta practice session. Quite accurate in my shooting at 35 yards on paper and steel at 50 yards. No problems with the thumb safety. I have to hang onto the pistol a lot harder than a 9, which is probably good practice. The trigger feels easier to pull straight back than a Glock. I shot some one hand with the ZfNS and was quite pleased. I was running it from an ALS holster, so I couldn't get a direct comparison to the Beretta on shot one speed. Splits are slower than the Beretta, but then that is 40 versus 9. Easier to shoot than my P2000 .40.

[Trooper224]

I was suitably impressed with the FNS9 I had. I sold it to a coworker only because I settled on the Beretta 92FS as my CCW and didn't really need it. I had no complaints on it's design or performance.

[Chuck Haggard]

I had a chance to attend the FNS armorer school a few weeks ago.

Some of the parts on the internals are, well, odd. The striker alone is multiple parts that struck me as just a bit weird. Not saying it might not turn out to be a good solid working pistol in the end, but I had the same feeling once I got into the internals on the FNS that I got the first time I took a S&W 4026 down and got a look at that mess of a decocker assembly.

[GJM]

Here is a link to a parts diagram with spare parts for sale. Hoe does the FNS compare to the Glock and VP9 in overall parts count? Compared to a Glock, everything feels complicated to me!


http://www.midwestgunworks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=mgwi&Category_Code=fns-gun-parts&offset=0&view_perpage=

[Tamara]

Ummm...a picture is worth, like, a thousand stipples.

Okay, here's (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2014/07/gratuitous-gun-pr0n-98.html) the poor ugly pup.

[JHC]

Here is a link to a parts diagram with spare parts for sale. Hoe does the FNS compare to the Glock and VP9 in overall parts count? Compared to a Glock, everything feels complicated to me!


http://www.midwestgunworks.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=mgwi&Category_Code=fns-gun-parts&offset=0&view_perpage=

I wonder if complexity of this sort will be factored into the Army pistol evals?

[BaiHu]

Okay, here's (http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2014/07/gratuitous-gun-pr0n-98.html) the poor ugly pup.
Sk8er Boi?

[Drang]

I wonder if complexity of this sort will be factored into the Army pistol evals?

One can hope...

[GJM]

I wonder if complexity of this sort will be factored into the Army pistol evals?


One can hope...

Complexity compared to a Glock, or other stuff?

[Tamara]

Complexity compared to a Glock, or other stuff?

Yeah, I mean, both the M9 and M11 are pretty much "No User Serviceable Parts Inside" relative to a G-Lock or an M1911.

[Jaywalker]

Yeah, I mean, both the M9 and M11 are pretty much "No User Serviceable Parts Inside" relative to a G-Lock or an M1911.
Usually, indirectly. Most often, the finance folks want to know what the extended cost will be before a purchase. I was USAF procurement, not Army, but I don't think the Defense Acquisition Regulation would be much different. You'd want to know repair rates, broken down by local and depot, for one, so you can estimate spare parts and required depot and local training. I would imagine some of these get waived from time to time when the existing system (e.g., the 1911) is at the end of its service life. FWIW, user training is also usually factored in, so a bigger caliber/harder to shoot pistol would likely have to show increased training requirements, which would have to come out of the training budgets, or a reduction/trade-off from other required training. (IIRC, the 9mm showed a reduction in training from the 45, so I have long doubted the Army would be want to up the training budget for a tertiary system.)

[JHC]

Complexity compared to a Glock, or other stuff?

To the M9 they may replace; between competing options. They routinely get fairly detailed in their disassemble of their M4s and other small arms. I don't know that such was ever a part of the pistol trials that chose the M9.

[Dirty_Harry]

Thank you for the review of this pistol. I really feel it is the most underrated striker pistol out there. Currently it is my favorite handgun. I actually like the heavier trigger on it. It makes me feel a lot better if I was to IWB carry it. I just have the standard 3 dot sight, black slide model. If I shoot in any sort of event at my local gun club, I always choose it over my P30 and P99.

I do have a VP9 on order though......wonder how it will stack up?

[GJM]

In dry firing and shooting my HK VP9 and FNS, I prefer the FNS to the VP9.

Both are accurate. The FNS has the option of a thumb safety. FNS magazines hold 17 in 9 versus 15 in the HK. FNS mag well is more favorable. Trigger has broken in on the FNS to be very shootable. I can get higher on the FNS, and I like the mini beavertail on the FNS. I prefer the mag release on the FNS. FNS costs $200 less.

[JDM]

I prefer the mag release on the FNS.

Blasphemy!!!

;)

[Irelander]

Thanks for the review. I have never really looked into FN pistols. Looks like they are well made and accurate. I'll have to check one out sometime.

[Trukinjp13]

I like my fns a lot, but, but. The vp9 is really nice. The grip is terrific and the trigger is much nicer imo. I like the mag release on the h&k also. I used to hate it but it was just a stubborn I'm used to a button deal. Now the more I use it the more I like it. The fns is accurate, light and has fed everything. If I had the choice today I would get the vp9.

[Dirty_Harry]

In dry firing and shooting my HK VP9 and FNS, I prefer the FNS to the VP9.

Both are accurate. The FNS has the option of a thumb safety. FNS magazines hold 17 in 9 versus 15 in the HK. FNS mag well is more favorable. Trigger has broken in on the FNS to be very shootable. I can get higher on the FNS, and I like the mini beavertail on the FNS. I prefer the mag release on the FNS. FNS costs $200 less.


Different strokes for different folks. The only thing I dont like about the FNS is the mag release. I really like Euro style on my P30 and P99. Isnt it great there are so many wonderful handguns to choose from?

I will be adding an FNS-L to my collection soon. 9mm of course. Not a big .40 fan.

[Chuck Whitlock]

I really wish that the trigger reach was just a bit shorter on the FNS.

[Trukinjp13]

My woman has the same issue with the trigger reach. Its just at the end of her finger. Good thing was she picked up on shooting off the reset quick from it. The reset is short and made a huge difference in reach. I wish the trigger was around 5lbs. Im guessing mine is like 6 1/2

[GJM]

I have long fingers, and find the trigger reach perfect with the blackstrap that came on the FNS. My trigger weight has broken in nicely, and I wouldn't want it lighter. Two things I like, are it seems very easy to finish flat with this trigger face, and I like how far forward the break is.

I only have a .40, and finished up my Beretta session today with some FNS Bill drills at 25, and draws at 50 yards. My first three draws at 50 made about a three inch group, perfectly centered on the target, and the total of all six was 4 A's and two just into the C zone. I will take that for six draws at 50 any day. This isn't an anomaly with the FNS -- between the accuracy of my pistol and the trigger, it is as easy to shoot at distance as my Beretta (which is my fav long range pistol).

[Trukinjp13]

I dont think anyone disputes the accuracy of it. My main issue is the grip vs the vp9. I pick up the hk and it just feels right. The trigger is exactly what I like too. I wish they could have got the bore axis down a little but that is not a huge deal. My main problem is how much I have fell in love with the hk45. The vp9 has a very similar feeling. I also can not do a mag change near as fast on the fns as I can the hk45. I have to slightly change my grip to drop the magazine on the fns. Which is exaggerated by the fact I have to monkey around with getting a nice grip. I grab the hk and it just feels right in the hand. The fns to me was better then my glock and m&p. I just feel like the vp9 is that next step.

[GJM]

This afternoon, I did a lazy practice session, mostly focused on accuracy -- one inch square and two inch dot at 7-10 yards, and the 3x5 at 25 yards.

First, I shot a P07 (pretty stock pistol with a CZ Custom carry trigger job), since a buddy is interested in possibly replacing his duty BUG 239 with the P07. Shot very fine. Great size.

Next, I shot my current primary practice gun, the Wilson 92A1. Not much to say, except a great pistol.

Finally, I shot my FNS .40, which I have been carrying some here in AK, to launch a bigger bullet. The pistol is completely bone stock, except I put orange paint on the front sight. The FNS, even in .40, flat outshot the P07 and 92 in my ability to draw and hit the one inch square and two inch dot with the least amount of effort, and print the smallest group on the 3x5 at 25 yards. I really like the shape of the trigger, how far forward it breaks, and its overall feel. The FNS is really growing on me, and is well worth a look.

[PPGMD]

I got my KT Holster for the FNS Long Slide. I'm meh on this holster, it is the only competition holster I could readily find with adjustable tension, and the ability to attach to the QLS fork. But the cut covers too much of the slide, and the belt look results in the gun riding way too high.

Unfortunately I don't have time to work with it as the slide has to go to MGW next week. The FN slide plate that I got for my Sight Pro doesn't fit, so MGW wants to see if the wrong plate ended up in the bag or perhaps the FNS long slide has a different slide width.

[GJM]

I got my KT Holster for the FNS Long Slide. I'm meh on this holster, it is the only competition holster I could readily find with adjustable tension, and the ability to attach to the QLS fork. But the cut covers too much of the slide, and the belt look results in the gun riding way too high.

Unfortunately I don't have time to work with it as the slide has to go to MGW next week. The FN slide plate that I got for my Sight Pro doesn't fit, so MGW wants to see if the wrong plate ended up in the bag or perhaps the FNS long slide has a different slide width.

Dale Fricke can make his Gideon with the hole cut out for a QLS fork. I can bring him a pistol to use as a mold, later in September.

[PPGMD]

Dale Fricke can make his Gideon with the hole cut out for a QLS fork. I can bring him a pistol to use as a mold, later in September.

That is an option, I suppose. I am going to try modifying the holster myself, and using the Safariland HDA drop kit to get it further down on my belt.

I should mention that it is in EMT Red like all the rest of my competition gear.

[GJM]

That is an option, I suppose. I am going to try modifying the holster myself, and using the Safariland HDA drop kit to get it further down on my belt.

I should mention that it is in EMT Red like all the rest of my competition gear.

I can bring him the pistol, but I would leave it to you to discuss your preferred shade of red with Mr. Fricke.

Had a great session today, me shooting the 92 and my wife, her 34. At the end, she shot the FNS .40, and frankly shot the crap out of it. Thought the recoil was mild for a .40, and proclaimed it her "favorite non Glock" pistol, and way better than the VP9. I finished by shooting our accelerator drill (two paper and two 8 inch steel) at 50 yards, and continue to be amazed by its accuracy. Right now, it is at the top of my striker pistol list.

[BJJ]

GJM, do you have a 4 inch or 5 inch barrel?

[GJM]

GJM, do you have a 4 inch or 5 inch barrel?

Four inch .40, but I am fix'in to get a five inch 9.

[Kyle Reese]

Four inch .40, but I am fix'in to get a five inch 9.

Given your druthers, which handgun would you pick up right now and trudge off into the Alaskan hinterland with?

FNS

VP 9

[GJM]

Given your druthers, which handgun would you pick up right now and trudge off into the Alaskan hinterland with?

FNS

VP 9

Really not a fair question, since the FNS is .40, and I don't carry a 9 in the field in AK. Leaving caliber aside, I much prefer the FNS to the VP9 in the following areas:

1) I like the FNS trigger better. It breaks quite forward which agrees with my finger, has a trigger face that is very easy to finish flat with, and gives me feedback as to when it is going to break.

2) hands down, the FNS is easier to reload.

3) I prefer the FNS grip shape and texture during live fire (as opposed to dry firing).

4) my FNS is more accurate in my hands than the VP9.

5) I can get higher on the FNS and like the small beavertail on the FNS.

6) I prefer the FNS slide feel to either the wings or serrations on the VP9.

Here is my overall short list now.

Best pure game gun -- CZ SP 01 Shadow, tuned by Mink or equivalent.

Best combo field, carry, game TDA -- Beretta 92A1 as tuned by Wilson or equivalent 92.

Best metal TDA carry gun -- Beretta Centurion/CZ P01.

Best polymer TDA carry gun -- P07.

Best striker -- FNS.

Best clunkers -- P229R DAK .357 Sig or HK USP C LEM .45.

Best gun for blondes -- Glock.

[BJJ]

Any idea what a five inch barrel would do for ballistics as compared to the 4 inch, in .40? I remember Givens posting some pretty stout numbers for velocity out of his Glock 35.

[GJM]

Any idea what a five inch barrel would do for ballistics as compared to the 4 inch, in .40? I remember Givens posting some pretty stout numbers for velocity out of his Glock 35.

Don't know, but even with the 35 being a smidge longer, the five inch FNS .40 should be faster than the four inch. I am thinking that the five inch FNS .40, shooting 200 grain hard cast, should be darn close to 10mm here in Alaska. I just shot another box of DT 200 hard cast thru the four inch tonight, without any problems. Part of that, was holding the pistol lightly, with just a few fingers in one hand, trying to make it choke. I need to get some more to test before I am comfortable, but this could do what I was trying to accomplish with the G22 and KKM barrel last summer, until that didn't pan out in reliability. To date, not a single stoppage in the FNS, north of 500 rounds.

[Chuck Haggard]

When we had issues with the G22s here it was due to excessive slide velocity. Many of the guns would work when "limp wristed" on purpose, but would choke when held in a strong modern iso. Just an observation.

[GJM]

When we had issues with the G22s here it was due to excessive slide velocity. Many of the guns would work when "limp wristed" on purpose, but would choke when held in a strong modern iso. Just an observation.

Interesting. With the Glock 29, I have seen issues with the heavy loads, when gripping the pistol lightly. The FNS has so far run 100 percent with every load I have tried, held in my normal grip, so I decided to try it held lightly.

[Chuck Haggard]

I had a number of G22s that would run fine with hot ammo when limp wristed, install a light or really get on the grip/stance and I could choke them on demand.

The 165gr Gold Dot we had back then was running 1185fps, NOT a light load at all.

[JHC]

Don't know, but even with the 35 being a smidge longer, the five inch FNS .40 should be faster than the four inch. I am thinking that the five inch FNS .40, shooting 200 grain hard cast, should be darn close to 10mm here in Alaska. I just shot another box of DT 200 hard cast thru the four inch tonight, without any problems. Part of that, was holding the pistol lightly, with just a few fingers in one hand, trying to make it choke. I need to get some more to test before I am comfortable, but this could do what I was trying to accomplish with the G22 and KKM barrel last summer, until that didn't pan out in reliability. To date, not a single stoppage in the FNS, north of 500 rounds.

The Gen 4 G22 got some credit for taming a lot of the recoil of the .40. Head to head Gen 4 G22 and FNS .40 - how do their management in recoil compare?

[BJJ]

The Gen 4 G22 got some credit for taming a lot of the recoil of the .40. Head to head Gen 4 G22 and FNS .40 - how do their management in recoil compare?

This is a question I am very interested in. I have a Gen 4 G22 that is, in my opinion, a significantly more robust weapon than it's Gen 3 counterpart that I am issued for work. Recoil is slightly mitigated. Unfortunately, I have not been able to shoot an FNS yet so I can't compare the two. Hopefully, GJM can enlighten us.

On paper, I like the idea of .40: more bullet weight than a 9, more capacity than a .45. It can just be kind an annoying caliber in practice. I am wondering if the FNS might be something I have been interested in finding which is a relatively soft shooting .40.

[GJM]

This is a question I am very interested in. I have a Gen 4 G22 that is, in my opinion, a significantly more robust weapon than it's Gen 3 counterpart that I am issued for work. Recoil is slightly mitigated. Unfortunately, I have not been able to shoot an FNS yet so I can't compare the two. Hopefully, GJM can enlighten us.

On paper, I like the idea of .40: more bullet weight than a 9, more capacity than a .45. It can just be kind an annoying caliber in practice. I am wondering if the FNS might be something I have been interested in finding which is a relatively soft shooting .40.

My wife commented yesterday that she thought it was softer shooting than her G22 Gen 4, and had no issue with her hands separating during fast paced fire. Ultimately, recoil is pretty subjective. I bet a five inch .40 FNS is darn pleasant to shoot.

What interested me in the FNS .40 was possibly being a reliable launch platform for 200 grain hard cast, and the trigger and other stuff was a nice unanticipated benefit. I have 200 rounds of DT hard cast ordered, so I should have an answer to the reliability question in August.

[JHC]

This is a question I am very interested in. I have a Gen 4 G22 that is, in my opinion, a significantly more robust weapon than it's Gen 3 counterpart that I am issued for work. Recoil is slightly mitigated. Unfortunately, I have not been able to shoot an FNS yet so I can't compare the two. Hopefully, GJM can enlighten us.

On paper, I like the idea of .40: more bullet weight than a 9, more capacity than a .45. It can just be kind an annoying caliber in practice. I am wondering if the FNS might be something I have been interested in finding which is a relatively soft shooting .40.

I haven't been seriously distracted from working on my shooting with a battery of Glocks since a 2400 round test of a M&P in 2010. But I'm seriously considering a 5" one of these. Not sure which caliber however.

[Sensei]

I picked one up this week. I did not notice it during dry fire I at the shop, but I was a little surprised by the trigger weight. Mine is weighing in at about 7.5 lbs under my Timney Trigger Gauge. I looks like there is a fair amount of friction from the trigger rubbing against the frame which I suspect is the source of the extra weight. I'm hoping that some more dry fire and a thousand rounds or so will bring it at least under 6 lbs. Otherwise it seems reasonably will made. I'll post a follow-up with pics after some range time later this week.

[GJM]

I guess the FNS trigger is like a gal that carries her weight well

[Sensei]

I guess the FNS trigger is like a gal that carries her weight well

Until you undress her…:0

[SteveB]

I picked one up this week. I did not notice it during dry fire I at the shop, but I was a little surprised by the trigger weight. Mine is weighing in at about 7.5 lbs under my Timney Trigger Gauge. I looks like there is a fair amount of friction from the trigger rubbing against the frame which I suspect is the source of the extra weight. I'm hoping that some more dry fire and a thousand rounds or so will bring it at least under 6 lbs. Otherwise it seems reasonably will made. I'll post a follow-up with pics after some range time later this week.

Seems to be a fair amount of variability in these triggers. I now have two of these (one TS/NS, one without) and the triggers both weigh just over 6 lbs. The trigger bar is a double-bow unit, and runs under the ambi slide release on either side of the frame. I plan to start there with the lube. Shooting the pistols for accuracy is a chore with these triggers (although both managed around 2" @ 25), but the weight becomes less noticeable with rapid fire. Talked with GJM about this last night; he thinks these triggers will shoot in without modification, which sounds right. Since I can't help myself, I'll probably do a little polishing on the second pistol and see how it goes.

[JHC]

Until you undress her…:0

Matched perfectly to you avatar.

If I go after one I must remember to take my trigger scale along!

[GJM]

It goes without saying, that there is more to a trigger than just weight, or we would all have the lightest possible trigger consistent with safety.

I think I have said previously in this thread, the things I like about the FNS trigger are:

1) the shape of the trigger is such that it is easy to press the trigger straight back, finishing flat.

2) the trigger breaks quite far forward, which feels good to me.

3) the trigger is predictable as to when it breaks.

Combine those qualities with an accurate pistol, and it is easier to hit smaller targets at distance with it, than any other striker pistol I have shot.

[GJM]

I picked up a FNS 9, no thumb safety, this afternoon. Trigger felt identical to the one on my .40. What is interesting, is how much thinner the slide on the 9 is compared to the slide on the .40. It appears FN scaled the slide to the cartridge.

I look forward to putting this pistol through the paces.

[Kyle Reese]

Add me to the FNS-9 club as well. 4", BLK, no safety.

[Tamara]

Add me to the FNS-9 club as well.

You joiner. :D

[Up1911Fan]

I picked up a FNS 9, no thumb safety, this afternoon. Trigger felt identical to the one on my .40. What is interesting, is how much thinner the slide on the 9 is compared to the slide on the .40. It appears FN scaled the slide to the cartridge.

I look forward to putting this pistol through the paces.

4" or 5"?

[BJJ]

Add me to the FNS-9 club as well. 4", BLK, no safety.

Congrats. Curious to hear your thoughts once you've had some trigger time with it.

[Kyle Reese]

Congrats. Curious to hear your thoughts once you've had some trigger time with it.

I should have it in hand in a few days. I picked it up here (http://grabagun.com/fnh-usa-66752-fns9-9mm-17rd-blk-blk.html) for $458 and change, shipped to my FFL. Going to pick up three spare mags in the meantime.

Does anyone have a line on an immediately available AIWB holster for one of these?

[GJM]

I haven't been seriously distracted from working on my shooting with a battery of Glocks since a 2400 round test of a M&P in 2010. But I'm seriously considering a 5" one of these. Not sure which caliber however.

Joe, if you want to play/game/test it, I would get a 5 inch 9. If you want to carry it, maybe a FNS-9 four inch, for ease of holsters. And, if you want to channel Tom Givens, a five inch .40.

I like the concept of a thumb safety, but in dry firing I can miss it. The new 9 is no thumb safety. I experimented stuffing a shirt tail into the trigger guard and aggressively reholstering, and couldn't make it fire. It has a larger trigger guard than a Glock, and would appear to practically take a tree branch stuffed in there, to press the trigger enough to fire.


4" or 5"?

Four inch, although I am thinking a five inch 9 for gaming. Would get Sevigny fiber optic sights for it. Am planning HD sights for my four inch.

[BJJ]

I should have it in hand in a few days. I picked it up here (http://grabagun.com/fnh-usa-66752-fns9-9mm-17rd-blk-blk.html) for $458 and change, shipped to my FFL. Going to pick up three spare mags in the meantime.

Does anyone have a line on an immediately available AIWBholster for one of these?

I believe JM Custom Kydex makes his AIWB holster for the FNS. His lead time is listed as 9 to 10 weeks though.

Which brings us to the down side of going with a platform not as established as Glock which is pretty much all platforms except M&P.

[GJM]

I believe JM Custom Kydex makes his AIWB holster for the FNS. His lead time is listed as 9 to 10 weeks though.

Which brings us to the down side of going with a platform not as established as Glock which is pretty much all platforms except M&P.

Tony makes quite a good one -- and I happen to be wearing it now.

Ernest Langdon mentions some holsters for other pistols that work with the FNS, early in this thread.

[JDM]

Holsters for the full size M&P9/40 work like they were made for the FNS.

[Tamara]

Holsters for the full size M&P9/40 work like they were made for the FNS.

My RCS Phantom for the M&P certainly does.

[JDM]

My RCS Phantom for the M&P certainly does.

As did my Shaggy.

[GJM]

Any idea whether the five inch M&P holsters work for the five inch FNS?

[GJM]

Here is a link to fiber optic sights at Sevigny Performance. I am assuming that a four inch needs a .220 front, and possibly a .240 on the five inch.

Question -- more traditional pairing of a .115 front with a .150 rear, or alternatively, along the lines of what Origami has been doing lately, a .105 front with the .125 rear?

http://sevignyperformance.com/products-page/fns-competition-sights/

[Chuck Haggard]

They are decent to shoot, but getting into the internals in the armorer class gave me the hee-bee-gee-bees when I saw how things worked. I'll let you guys prove the system before I buy one.

[PPGMD]

Any idea whether the five inch M&P holsters work for the five inch FNS?

I'll try it this afternoon.

[Tamara]

Any idea whether the five inch M&P holsters work for the five inch FNS?

That I don't know.

[BJJ]

They are decent to shoot, but getting into the internals in the armorer class gave me the hee-bee-gee-bees when I saw how things worked. I'll let you guys prove the system before I buy one.

I believe FNH sponsored shooter Erik Lund says he's done a 15,000 round test on the FNS with 1 malfunction.

[WDW]

They are decent to shoot, but getting into the internals in the armorer class gave me the hee-bee-gee-bees when I saw how things worked. I'll let you guys prove the system before I buy one.

How does it differ than say a Glock or M&P? I used to have one, but never broke it down that far.

[Chuck Haggard]

I believe FNH sponsored shooter Erik Lund says he's done a 15,000 round test on the FNS with 1 malfunction.

It's more important to me that my pistol be able to survive getting sweated on all summer, or work after a good dunking, or dirty, than if it makes 50 yard headshots and works when being run by a pro shooter with a support staff.

Not poo-pooing that it might be a good pistol, I'm just leery of trusting it yet.

[Chuck Haggard]

How does it differ than say a Glock or M&P? I used to have one, but never broke it down that far.

They striker alone is a multi part gizmo that has a spring inside the striker and a wee little pin rolling around inside. The sear block thingy in the frame is a part that can be taken apart and put back together, but when I did it in class (and it took awhile and some cussing) the instructor said with a straight face that they don't advise it at all and that whole part should be sent back to the factory if it needs work or repair.

[GJM]

It will be interesting to see what happens with some round counts through these pistols.

Here is my dirty secret (humor), beyond a Glock which even I can work on, I don't really work on any pistols, excepting some very small tasks. My rule is if I fly in it, or shoot it to possibly save my life, I want people with real ability to maintain it.

Assuming the FNS does not break, I really don't see the need to be futzing with it, as I both like the factory parts, and really am not aware of parts available to change beyond sights. My approach will be the same as any other pistol, have 1 or 2 that I shoot the crap out of, not worrying about anything except changing recoil springs, and have 1 or 2 that I verify reliable, then keep very modest round counts through them as carry guns. I have spent a lot of time futzing with Glocks and moving parts around, and I am not sure what I accomplished in the end. The FNS shoots more accurately, points more naturally for me similar to the other pistols I am shooting, doesn't hurt the inside of my thumb or middle finger, is faster to reload, ejects/extracts robustly, is quite ambidextrous, launches .40 hard cast, has the option of a thumb safety, and has a trigger design that makes it easy for me to press the trigger straight back.

No idea how it will turn out, but right now there is a lot to like. And at how little they cost, if they continue to be reliable and accurate, if I needed a spare or two around because they are less user serviceable than a Glock, that seems like a reasonable cost of shooting them.

[Tamara]

Here is my dirty secret (humor), beyond a Glock which even I can work on, I don't really work on any pistols, excepting some very small tasks. My rule is if I fly in it, or shoot it to possibly save my life, I want people with real ability to maintain it.

Word. This is the most efficient gun repair tool in my kit:

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/70808/70808,1264443478,1/stock-photo-a-roll-of-hundred-dollar-bills-laying-on-white-background-45260881.jpg

I've been spoiled by working places with real professional gun mechanics, and I still travel down to Tennessee quarterly or so with a trunk full of projects.

[Kyle Reese]

I'm going to shoot mine until it breaks. Stay tuned for a 2000 round challenge report.

[PPGMD]

Any idea whether the five inch M&P holsters work for the five inch FNS?

Nope, it doesn't go in far enough to cover the trigger guard.

Which sucks because the holster I bought doesn't work with my QLS fork at all. So I will probably have to take you up on having Dale make me one off your gun.

I should send one of my Comp-tacs up there with a "This is what I want, but to fit the FNS-9L."

[PPGMD]

Word. This is the most efficient gun repair tool in my kit:

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/70808/70808,1264443478,1/stock-photo-a-roll-of-hundred-dollar-bills-laying-on-white-background-45260881.jpg

I've been spoiled by working places with real professional gun mechanics, and I still travel down to Tennessee quarterly or so with a trunk full of projects.

My most effective gun repair tool at matches is a second identical gun.

But I know to know how to fix my own guns, it speeds up the gun repair time line.

[GJM]

Nope, it doesn't go in far enough to cover the trigger guard.

Which sucks because the holster I bought doesn't work with my QLS fork at all. So I will probably have to take you up on having Dale make me one off your gun.

I should send one of my Comp-tacs up there with a "This is what I want, but to fit the FNS-9L."

Look at the Gideon on his site. I plan to have him make me a traditional one for my belt and a second with QLS holes.

[PPGMD]

Look at the Gideon on his site. I plan to have him make me a traditional one for my belt and a second with QLS holes.

I think the QLS might work, as I don't want it to be too close to my body. Concealment isn't a concern.

Just give me a heads up before you take your gun over to Dale, I will need to get a hold of him to see about either providing him some EMT Red kydex, or having him purchase some.

[Up1911Fan]

I'd be in for a Gideon for the 5" if this turns into a group buy....

[Drifting Fate]

Word. This is the most efficient gun repair tool in my kit:

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/70808/70808,1264443478,1/stock-photo-a-roll-of-hundred-dollar-bills-laying-on-white-background-45260881.jpg

I've been spoiled by working places with real professional gun mechanics, and I still travel down to Tennessee quarterly or so with a trunk full of projects.

Maybe I missed it, but my question is who in TN do you trust with your weapons?

[Chuck Haggard]

I like to be my own armorer.

[Tamara]

I like to be my own armorer.

It's probably a reflection of who I worked around, but to me "armorer" is being able to disassemble and reassemble a Hand Ejector or swap out Glock parts. I can be my own armorer, generally, but I can't be my own gunsmith. ;)

[Tamara]

Maybe I missed it, but my question is who in TN do you trust with your weapons?

It's a little in flux right now for reasons I'm not entirely comfortable talking about. Where in TN are you and what kinda guns?

[Drifting Fate]

It's a little in flux right now for reasons I'm not entirely comfortable talking about. Where in TN are you and what kinda guns?

First, thank you for answering. I, too, prefer to deliver my guns in person, but I'm always interested in who an experienced person recommends for custom work. I'll ship when it's worth it. FWIW, I'm in AZ, but I have family in Indiana, but they are formerly from TN.

When and if you are comfortable sharing your sacred source, I'm all ears (or eyes, damned internet.)

[GJM]

I like to be my own armorer.

This is just one, out of any number of other good reasons, that the FNS is unlikely to have much chance of taking significant market share against the Glock 17/19. Best case scenario is it develops a following as a niche pistol amongst enthusiasts.

Now if Glock hadn't (mostly) solved their Gen 3 extractor problem/Gen 4 introduction problem by now, and the FNS introduction wasn't marred with the trigger/slide locking up problem, and if a major contract went to the FNS, and the moons aligned, maybe it would be different.

[Tamara]

This is just one, out of any number of other good reasons, that the FNS is unlikely to have much chance of taking significant market share against the Glock 17/19. Best case scenario is it develops a following as a niche pistol amongst enthusiasts.

Now if Glock hadn't (mostly) solved their Gen 3 extractor problem/Gen 4 introduction problem by now, and the FNS introduction wasn't marred with the trigger/slide locking up problem, and if a major contract went to the FNS, and the moons aligned, maybe it would be different.

FNH has had such a persistent and long-running string of bad luck in the US service pistol market that I'm beginning to think its an old gypsy curse or their US offices are built on a Native American burial ground or something

[LittleLebowski]

FNH has had such a persistent and long-running string of bad luck in the US service pistol market that I'm beginning to think its an old gypsy curse or their US offices are built on a Native American burial ground or something

Fortunately for those of us in the East Coast PF NexusOfFreakingAwesomeShooters, FN isn't too far away. If Fred has real problems with his FN, FN is an hour and a half away or so.

[mcpheekp]

Ernie, I have the 5in in .40 if you want to take it for a test run, it is a nice pistol.

Kevin

[mcpheekp]

Any idea whether the five inch M&P holsters work for the five inch FNS?

They Do not.

[Crow Hunter]

Fortunately for those of us in the East Coast PF NexusOfFreakingAwesomeShooters, FN isn't too far away. If Fred has real problems with his FN, FN is an hour and a half away or so.

Is that FN where they build stuff and tell you to go pound sand if you need something fixed?

Or is that Browning in Arnold MO where the sand that FN tells you to go pound is located?

My very limited experience with a SCAR and looking for spare parts and if not where would you get it fixed wound up being in the Show Me state. Not the the FNH in SC (Stupid Civilian).

Hopefully this has changed since then or is different for handguns.

[Kyle Reese]

Fortunately for those of us in the East Coast PF NexusOfFreakingAwesomeShooters, FN isn't too far away. If Fred has real problems with his FN, FN is an hour and a half away or so.

Good to know. :)

[GJM]

My wife and I spent a pleasant morning shooting with two local LE officers. I shot my Beretta, which ran fine. It has yet to have a single stoppage, and has somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 rounds through it.

Shot my FNS .40. Continue to really like this pistol. North of 750 rounds and yet to have a bobble. Had three other shooters put several hundred rounds through it today, with no problems. Then the four of us shot a Glock 22 and the FNS .40 side by side, with the same ammo. It really was hard to say one pistol shot softer than the other. I prefer the FNS, but not enough so, if I was 100 percent a Glock person to change. Only caveat being the FNS seems to shoot hard cast reliably, and the Glock not, if that kind of ammo is important to you. Did a walk back drill and the FNS was terrific, and I even hit the steel from the far spot, support hand only. It has factory night sights on it, with the front painted orange with my Sharpie paint stick.

Then shot my new FNS 9 four inch. Horrible sights (they are the non-tritium, three dot). Twice, the magazine fell out, when I was shooting freestyle. It was correctly seated each time, and I think I was doing it with contact with my strong hand fingers on the right side of the pistol. Houston we have a problem. Now I need to figure out whether there is something about the profile of the FNS 9 right side mag release, or it has a weaker spring, as I haven't seen this with the FNS .40, with enough rounds down range for it to become apparent. I recall JM having an issue with this in his FNS 9 five inch test. Anyone know what mag release FN sent him to solve this, and if they gave him a stiffer spring?

[Tamara]

I've never looked at the mag releases in the 9 and .40 side by side, but are they actually different parts? That seems counterproductive for FNH. :confused:

[Ber1301TAC]

My wife and I spent a pleasant morning shooting with two local LE officers. I shot my Beretta, which ran fine. It has yet to have a single stoppage, and has somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 rounds through it.

Shot my FNS .40. Continue to really like this pistol. North of 750 rounds and yet to have a bobble. Had three other shooters put several hundred rounds through it today, with no problems. Then the four of us shot a Glock 22 and the FNS .40 side by side, with the same ammo. It really was hard to say one pistol shot softer than the other. I prefer the FNS, but not enough so, if I was 100 percent a Glock person to change. Only caveat being the FNS seems to shoot hard cast reliably, and the Glock not, if that kind of ammo is important to you. Did a walk back drill and the FNS was terrific, and I even hit the steel from the far spot, support hand only. It has factory night sights on it, with the front painted orange with my Sharpie paint stick.

Then shot my new FNS 9 four inch. Horrible sights (they are the non-tritium, three dot). Twice, the magazine fell out, when I was shooting freestyle. It was correctly seated each time, and I think I was doing it with contact with my strong hand fingers on the right side of the pistol. Houston we have a problem. Now I need to figure out whether there is something about the profile of the FNS 9 right side mag release, or it has a weaker spring, as I haven't seen this with the FNS .40, with enough rounds down range for it to become apparent. I recall JM having an issue with this in his FNS 9 five inch test. Anyone know what mag release FN sent him to solve this, and if they gave him a stiffer spring?

I have a 9 and a 40 both with the night sights. I was shooting the 9 at a USPSA match and the mag fell out on me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbR6jya7vE&list=UUsF2agJvbCeOgbdPsL7rIGA

[GJM]

I've never looked at the mag releases in the 9 and .40 side by side, but are they actually different parts? That seems counterproductive for FNH. :confused:

While they don't appear different, they sure act different. You would think if anything, the .40 might be more prone to unintentional activation if you are gripping the .40 harder.


I have a 9 and a 40 both with the night sights. I was shooting the 9 at a USPSA match and the mag fell out on me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbR6jya7vE&list=UUsF2agJvbCeOgbdPsL7rIGA

Yep, it looked about the same as when my mag dropped out -- similar trajectory of the magazine and similar look of surprise on your face as mine.

[GJM]

http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-fns/58416-fns-9-ambidextrous-magazine-release-issue.html

[Tamara]

I gotta see if I can get mine to do that. If so, that's pretty uncool.

[GJM]

I just figured out how I can replicate the mag problem. Never saw it dry firing, only live fire today. Holding the gun hard in my right hand and then flexing the pistol back like in recoil, and I can dump the mag on demand. Interference on the right side magazine release.

[Kyle Reese]

I'm going to see if I can replicate this problem at the range tomorrow.

[HRL]

Hey all,

How does the trigger reach on the FNS (flat backstrap maybe) compare to an M&P9?

I have small to average hands and my last run at renting guns trying to find a 9mm to commit myself to led me to the M&P9 as the main contender. However learning that accuracy issues still seem to be a problem with this line delayed me from going down this road. '

With people here seeming to like the FNS-9, as well as the recent release of the VP9 and Sig 320 I may wait a little longer before I commit.

[Kyle Reese]

Fired 400 rounds Saturday evening from the FNS-9.

Overall I give the pistol high marks.

The good:

* The pistol was 100% reliable with 350 rounds of CCI Blazer 115 grain FMJ and 50 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P.

* It was very controllable during rapid fire strings. I did not experience any unexpected magazine ejections, which was my greatest fear for the inaugural range trip.

* The cavernous magazine well made mag changes a snap.

* The pistol exhibited excellent accuracy under 20 yards.

The bad:

* The sights are simply too large to be of any use past 20 yards, and attempting to fire a 10 round group at 25 yards on a repair center was an exercise in futility. The regulation of the stock sights was wonky as well, forcing me to use a 12 o'clock hold at 25 to get any hits in the black. That's not going to work.

* The takedown lever on the left side of the weapon gets HOT, making one think carefully about thumb placement during extended firing sessions. This was also a problem with the M&P.

My replacement sights from Sevigny Performance arrived today (.125” wide rear notch with a .105” wide x .220” tall front sight) and will be installed ASAP.

As I'm participating in the 2000 round challenge, the pistol will not be cleaned or lubricated until that milestone is reached.

Stay tuned.

[MSparks909]

I have 250 rounds through my FNS9. Initial impressions are pretty good. Reloads with the FNS9 are VERY fast. Appreciate the ambidextrous features of the gun, but wish the slide release was more prominent. I really have to work at releasing it with my strong side thumb. I think the slide release would be perfect if the frame did not protrude around the slide release.

The trigger feels good but the break is heavier than my 17 with the factory "-" connector and my VP9. I really enjoy the stippling on the grip. This is how aggressive the Gen4 Glocks should be, IMO. The factory beavertail is a nice feature. I run the flat blackstrap and the grip feels perfect to my M/L sized hands. I feel the rounded backstrap limits my ability to get high under the beavertail.

The recoil impulse is...interesting compared to the 17 and VP9. It feels a bit "snappier," but what I really notice that it has a "ker-chunk" feeling to me in recoil. Hard to describe, but it feels like the slide is cycling much slower than the 17/VP9. I've heard that the FNS9/40 use the same recoil spring so maybe that's contributing to the "ker-chunk" feeling I get while shooting.

I've currently shelved the FNS9 while I focus on the G17 for the next 2 months. I have holsters for my VP9 en route and they should be here in October. Once they arrive, I want to run a variety of drills between the FNS9, 17 and VP9 to find which gun I shoot the best.

[PPGMD]

The FNS-9L slide and MGW FN slide plate are on their way up to Georgia.

[Kyle Reese]

Fired 400 rounds last night and found that all ammunition types (CCI Blazer 115 and Fiocci 115) were consistently hitting 2" or so low, and I had to use a 12 o' clock (or more) to get satisfactory hits. Sights are the Warren Tactical .125 rear and .105 x.220 front. Going to shoot some 124 /147's today but am considering replacing the front sight with a .105 x.200 front.

[GJM]

I just put 50 more Double Tap 200 grain hard cast down range without any issue thru my FNS-40.

[Kyle Reese]

Another 500 rounds down the spout of my FNS-9. I experienced a consistently (and annoying) low POI with the .105x.220 front sight, so I shortened it to .200.

[Kyle Reese]

My FNS9 is at 2804 rounds and experienced 4 FTEX malfunctions last night- 3 with 115 grain Speer Lawman FMJ and 1 with my carry load- Speer GDHP 124 grain +P. Very disconcerting, to say the least. Until this is remedied to my satisfaction, back into the safe it goes.

[Super J]

Great review!

[JHC]

GJM - I dry fired one of these in a store yesterday and YES I see what you mean about how early in the trigger travel the break is. Felt good.

[Tamara]

My FNS9 is at 2804 rounds and experienced 4 FTEX malfunctions last night- 3 with 115 grain Speer Lawman FMJ and 1 with my carry load- Speer GDHP 124 grain +P. Very disconcerting, to say the least. Until this is remedied to my satisfaction, back into the safe it goes.

Very interested to find out the cause.

[benEzra]

They make a 5 inch gun without a safety for sure. I played with one at my local gun shop.
Do they make a longslide 9mm *with* a manual safety? I checked their website and I am unclear on that.

[GJM]

Do they make a longslide 9mm *with* a manual safety? I checked their website and I am unclear on that.

Not sure. However TS and non TS lowers, 9 and .40, all interchange without parts changing.

[benEzra]

Not sure. However TS and non TS lowers, 9 and .40, all interchange without parts changing.
Good to know, thanks!

[Clay]

Any more reports on this gun? I looked at one today and really liked it - especially the manual safety for AIWB carry. I do wonder if the safety will stay on though - it seemed really easy to swipe it off accidentally. Is this an issue?

[BJJ]

Any updates on this gun?

FredM, did you figure out what was up with yours malfunctioning a few times after several thousand trouble free rounds?

[tmoore912]

The FNS9C and FNS40C have been released. https://www.slickguns.com/product/fn-fns9c-or-fns40c-select-model-and-sight-type-49999-free-shipping

ETA: well, maybe not. Seems the one online dealer claims they will ship out by Dec. 15th.


Orders placed for the FNS9C or FNS40C are expected to ship via 2 day priority on 15 December 2014, just in time for Christmas - See more at: http://www.highplainsgunshop.com/hpgs-deal-fn-fns-9c-40c-select-model?tracking=5327316c36041#sthash.XkfSZk4R.dpuf

[Kyle Reese]

Any updates on this gun?

FredM, did you figure out what was up with yours malfunctioning a few times after several thousand trouble free rounds?

BJJ,
Sorry for the late reply, dude. It's been sent off to Bill Riehl for evaluation.