Dual Illuminated RMR (green triangle) on a handgun?

[tomrkba]

Has anyone tried the Trijicon RMR dual illuminated 12.9 MOA green triangle optic (http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RM08G) on their handgun? How did it perform for you? I am thinking of jumping into the "RMR on a Glock" game and like the idea of an RMR without a battery. I would use it with suppressor height night sights.

[DocGKR]

I do not like the triangle in any color and strongly prefer a dot, increasingly one of the smaller dots. We have found the self-illuminated RMR's, including the RMR08A, to wash out in certain lighting conditions, especially indoors when using flashlights or weapon mounted lights. As a result, we now tend to prefer the RMR06 for most uses, including SMG, 12 ga, rifle, and pistol, although I still have a lot of the original, old, proven RMR02's on my personal carry pistols.

[TTS]

I have a RMR05 dual illuminated and RMR02 LED.

I agree with DOC that the triangle isn't an ideal reticle; however I haven't noticed any difference in washout between the two. With a TLR1 both disappear at night.

[DocGKR]

Hence the advantage of an RDS with an adjustable intensity reticle, like the RMR06, RMR07, or a micro-Aimpoint for those conditions...

Nonetheless, even the non-adjustable RMR's, like the RMR02, have worked better in all lighting conditions than the self-illuminated RMR's in our use.

[tomrkba]

Hence the advantage of an RDS with an adjustable intensity reticle, like the RMR06, RMR07, or a micro-Aimpoint for those conditions...

Nonetheless, even the non-adjustable RMR's, like the RMR02, have worked better in all lighting conditions than the self-illuminated RMR's in our use.

Here is the plan: mount Trijicon Bright & Tough suppressor height night sights and either the dual-illuminated triangle or the variable red dot. I really like the idea of the dual illum, but I have yet to handle one (making the decision impossible until I find one).

If both disappear due to a flashlight, then how well does it perform when using the splash? Does it the dual illuminated sight wash out in direct sunlight? I do not mind so much if it washes out due to the weapon light since the iron sights will be perfectly outlined.

[DocGKR]

The adjustable electronic RMR's do NOT wash out, as you can turn up the dot intensity.

[5pins]

I used the dual illuminated RMR for a short time and I will reiterate what Doc is saying about washout. Unlike ACOG’s, there is no etched reticle, so if it washes out it’s gone.

[BigT]

Without wanting to sound dumber than normal. How is adjustable intensity of any value in something as reactive as a pistol fight?

[DocGKR]

You can adjust it for the prevailing lighting in your AO, prior to an event--kind of like wearing different outer garments depending on the environment you are in.

[BigT]

Thinking through an average day I can't really see that working for me and my CCW. Without lots of gun handling in strange places. Not like donning it doffing a coat.

[DocGKR]

They are easily adjusted while in the holster. We have been running RDS on pistols for nearly 4 years now--it is not a big issue to adjust the dot intensity. It also no different than working an RDS on a carbine or shotgun.

[Handgunner]

Without wanting to sound dumber than normal. How is adjustable intensity of any value in something as reactive as a pistol fight?

Hello I am going the other way. Have three RMR's all are triangles of different colors. I have the amber, red and green. Much prefer the green. ALL are on HUNTING guns from 10mm, 460 Rowland (Glocks) and now 44 mag. (smith 29.) Had one on a FA 454 but ARTHUR in the hand prevented me from using it any more. Great for Deer hunting. Longer shots use the point of the triangle. Shorter shot the entire triangle on the chest is deadly. Absolutely no issues no matter the light conditions, especially at Dawn or Dusk.

[Luke]

Unless you wear a mid thigh iwb holster I don't see how reaching down and hitting a button twice would be hard to do with out looking or proclaiming to the world I HAS GUN!

[JMS]

Been quite a few places in the world; stalls in a restroom or some other hidey-hole aren't exactly rooster-tooth uncommon.

Barring that: how often dudes pocket-pat or hand-jive as they reach for their phone/wallet/worry-beads/pen/business cards...or adjust their beanbag...in the course of the day + how most of any given society perceives the things they see in the context in which they expect to see things = hitting a button a couple of times isn't like solving a Rubik's Cube.

[Unobtanium]

Sorry for bringing this back to life, but it's relevant to my interests. I am considering an RM04. This is a circular amber dot of 6 or 7moa, I believe it is. It will be going on a benelli m1014, with irons visible on the same plane. It is the dual illuminated version.

I want dual illumination because this is kindof a KISS build. If the rmr gets washed with a wml, I plan on going irons. They are right there...

My question is, does the slight distortion or magnification of the rmr mess with iron use on a long gun, causing zero shift or anything like an Aimpoint t2 does?

Second, how bad is washout on the rmr? I get that a wml should likely erase it totally, but what about shooting at a covered outdokr range or under a deer stand with a roof on it on a sunny day?

[Gray222]

I had one...

http://www.vdmsr.com/2014/10/the-rmr-journey.html

It's an interesting setup, very difficult to get used to though.

[Unobtanium]

I had one...

http://www.vdmsr.com/2014/10/the-rmr-journey.html

It's an interesting setup, very difficult to get used to though.

I see yours was on a pistol. I have shot RDS pistols before, and yes, there is a learning curve. This is going on a Benelli M1014 shotgun, though, so I don't expect much of a curve, or am I in for a surprise?

How did you find the propensity to "wash out" in varying conditions? Did it take something "extreme" like being in a dark room and shooting out into a sunlit area to bother you, or was it "varying shades of gray" a lot of the time, so to speak?

[JR1572]

I see yours was on a pistol. I have shot RDS pistols before, and yes, there is a learning curve. This is going on a Benelli M1014 shotgun, though, so I don't expect much of a curve, or am I in for a surprise?

How did you find the propensity to "wash out" in varying conditions? Did it take something "extreme" like being in a dark room and shooting out into a sunlit area to bother you, or was it "varying shades of gray" a lot of the time, so to speak?

I had dual illuminated Trijicon reflex sights as far back as 2005. They would wash out when the WML would be activated and when you were in a shaded area aiming at something in bright sunlight.

I know I'm wasting my time even bothering with trying to point you in the right direction, but I would opt for an Aimpoint T1/T2 with that new co-witnessing mount I saw for a Benelli M4.

JR1572

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=2555

Linky-link to mount.

[DocGKR]

Again, I find no use for the dual illuminated RMR on serious use guns. You want to go KISS? Put a micro-Aimpoint on it...

[Unobtanium]

I had dual illuminated Trijicon reflex sights as far back as 2005. They would wash out when the WML would be activated and when you were in a shaded area aiming at something in bright sunlight.

I know I'm wasting my time even bothering with trying to point you in the right direction, but I would opt for an Aimpoint T1/T2 with that new co-witnessing mount I saw for a Benelli M4.

JR1572

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=2555

Linky-link to mount.

Can you ACTUALLY co-witness it, though? I have yet to find a picture through the optic window with that mount, also showing a PROPER sight picture with the irons, and that tells me "probably not". However...I'm still asking. I can get the RMR to actually co-witness with the M1014 using the correct mount by Scalarworks. This is what MI posted on another forum, and that is not how I look through my sights...

http://s1185.photobucket.com/user/Midwest_Ind/media/M4%204_zpsshfgpjgy.jpg.html

[DocGKR]

Yes, I can co-witness through both a micro-Aimpoint or an RMR, but why not just go with an RDS that will work all the time?

[Gray222]

I see yours was on a pistol. I have shot RDS pistols before, and yes, there is a learning curve. This is going on a Benelli M1014 shotgun, though, so I don't expect much of a curve, or am I in for a surprise?

How did you find the propensity to "wash out" in varying conditions? Did it take something "extreme" like being in a dark room and shooting out into a sunlit area to bother you, or was it "varying shades of gray" a lot of the time, so to speak?

So I also had an RX06 on a rifle - http://www.vdmsr.com/2014/11/trijicon-rx06-reflect-129-moa-amber.html

For a rifle, my recommendation is as others, get an RDS.

For shotgun though, and please take this with speculation as I've never run a shotgun with a triangle, it may work well if you understand the spread and drop...

[Unobtanium]

Yes, I can co-witness through both a micro-Aimpoint or an RMR, but why not just go with an RDS that will work all the time?

You have the new MI mount?

[GJM]

I don't own the dual illuminated model, but I would have two concerns:

1) the inability to adjust intensity could cause a different situation than washing out, but rather that it blooms in low light, like hunting deer first light.

2) if the emitter gets moisture on it, it starbursts bad enough that you can't use your aperture sights on the Benelli. With the RM06, you can turn the emitter off and I believe get rid of the starbursting.

[Unobtanium]

I don't own the dual illuminated model, but I would have two concerns:

1) the inability to adjust intensity could cause a different situation than washing out, but rather that it blooms in low light, like hunting deer first light.

2) if the emitter gets moisture on it, it starbursts bad enough that you can't use your aperture sights on the Benelli. With the RM06, you can turn the emitter off and I believe get rid of the starbursting.

I sent a few T&E'ers with the new MI/T2 mount a few questions. WIth as much push-back from everyone as I'm getting on the RMR...even from people who've used it, I am really hoping the MI mount gets it done. I think a T2 would be stellar for this application, if the mount is G2G.

[SirSqueeboo]

For someone with astigmatism, is the dual-illum RMR better than just straight irons? If I get taller irons to fall back on if the reticle washes out, wouldn't having the advantage present most of the time be a worthwhile investment?

I've tried both T1s and RMR06 and they're really useless for me.

[jwperry]

For someone with astigmatism, is the dual-illum RMR better than just straight irons? If I get taller irons to fall back on if the reticle washes out, wouldn't having the advantage present most of the time be a worthwhile investment?

I've tried both T1s and RMR06 and they're really useless for me.

If you're application is on a pistol? I'd still say no.

I tried the RM08 on a Suarez milled Glock because I also have an astigmatism and wanted to jump into the micro-dot on a pistol club. I was trying to "buy skill" as my friend had a similar setup with a Doctor Optic III and was shooting clays at 50 yards easily. I couldn't shoot from a covered position looking into the sunny range in Florida and track the green triangle as it washed out so bad. In testing at home using a flashlight (in my case an X300U or E2D Defender Ultra) the triangle again became a ghost and not track-able. I was really disappointed.

[SirSqueeboo]

If you're application is on a pistol? I'd still say no.

I tried the RM08 on a Suarez milled Glock because I also have an astigmatism and wanted to jump into the micro-dot on a pistol club. I was trying to "buy skill" as my friend had a similar setup with a Doctor Optic III and was shooting clays at 50 yards easily. I couldn't shoot from a covered position looking into the sunny range in Florida and track the green triangle as it washed out so bad. In testing at home using a flashlight (in my case an X300U or E2D Defender Ultra) the triangle again became a ghost and not track-able. I was really disappointed.

Yes, it would be going on my G19 with an X300U. Really appreciate the input from a fellow sufferer. Looks like I need to invest in some eye surgery first.

[Sigfan26]

Yes, it would be going on my G19 with an X300U. Really appreciate the input from a fellow sufferer. Looks like I need to invest in some eye surgery first.

I would not recommend dual illum models (outside a few specific needs). Standard LED models work well (coming from someone with astigmatism). Unless batteries are an issue, look at the LED models. The triangle is a very niche reticle. 99.9% of folks will be best served by a dot


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