SOCP's Retarded Cousin

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Some of y'all have seen the rather controversial SOCP dagger:
http://i.imgur.com/1YMbAVW.jpg

Here is something similar, but even worse:
http://i.imgur.com/cmI5CyJ.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psly1fIn0qU

Source: http://www.manlyinnovations.com/home.html

The site has a lot of nuggets of CQB wisdom. For example:


In the world of CQB, when ‘IT’ hits the fan and ‘Mr. Murphy’ comes calling, Manly Innovations has the given the answer with a real last line of defense. The MBX and the Manly bayonet will be a real life saver. Whether as a secondary CQB weapon, or primary weapon for tubular assault. The user never gives up control of his sidearm to reach for a blade; that is invaluable.

And yes, they will be at SHOT.

[Kyle Reese]

Needs MOAR pistol bayonet.

Ironically, I can see blood being spilled on ranges from cuts, punctures, stabs and assorted oopsies associated with products like this.

[Byron]

I am genuinely perplexed as to whether or not this is satire.

It seems too ridiculous to be real, but too much effort to be a joke.

:confused:

[David Armstrong]

primary weapon for tubular assault
Sometimes ya just hafta go "HUH????":confused:

[Byron]

FBI Agents performing in Counter-Terrorism, such as in Tubular Assault scenarios (i.e., aircraft hijackings), use fragment rounds in aft-to-fore sweeps of the aircraft. While seeking to find and neutralize the assailant, the hope is to do so with minimal collateral damage, such as loss of cabin pressure. This is a zero-sum conflict scenario where the use of a separate knife is needed, but not optimal as there is the concern is to not lose access or control of the firearm.

I think this meme applies to at least 50% of the above paragraph...

http://i.imgur.com/Bo4Ozw6.jpg

[PPGMD]

Some of y'all have seen the rather controversial SOCP dagger:
http://i.imgur.com/1YMbAVW.jpg

The pistol demonstration isn't showing how you SHOULD use it, simply a showing way you can use your pistol if you need to escalate from knife to pistol.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Makes scratching your bum a WHO affair, not to mention tap/rack and just CCW in general.

Money making scheme-----offer a sheath with a "Tactical Deployment Lanyard". (May have to pay royalties to RCS)

[Kyle Reese]

That's not a knife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W09ghiWskUk

[Chuck Haggard]

What happens when you have to reload?

I can see a Three Stooges moment with a CQB stud trying to operate with a empty mag sticking out of the top of his foot.

[Nephrology]

Some of y'all have seen the rather controversial SOCP dagger:
http://i.imgur.com/1YMbAVW.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/zpEBN3A.jpg

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The pistol demonstration isn't showing how you SHOULD use it, simply a showing way you can use your pistol if you need to escalate from knife to pistol.
I am aware, and I personally think it seems viable in the niche role described. However, given my complete lack of CQB experience, and the fact that some people found the idea stupid even after the explanation, I termed it "controversial" (I kinda see it like a BAD lever, you got knowledgeable folks on both sides of the debate). Hell, look at how the Manly Bayonet could used: you shoot normally, and deploy the blade only when necessary, with a seamless transition back to the pistol if needed, same underlying idea as the SOCP. Of course, the way the Manly Bayonet attempts to fill the niche the SOCP already does is where it all falls apart: retarded deployment, crap retention after deployment, not usable without the baseplate, etc.

[Tamara]

Will they make a blunt trainer version that we can use on our sims Glocks in Tactical Fast Draw competition? How will stabs be scored?

[Dagga Boy]

" Originally Posted by Tim Johnson FBI, U.S. Counter-terrorism Expert/Operator
In the world of CQB, when ‘IT’ hits the fan and ‘Mr. Murphy’ comes calling, Manly Innovations has the given the answer with a real last line of defense. The MBX and the Manly bayonet will be a real life saver. Whether as a secondary CQB weapon, or primary weapon for tubular assault. The user never gives up control of his sidearm to reach for a blade; that is invaluable."

Lord, I sure hope Tim Johnson can get the FBI to adopt this thing. It is PERFECT for them.

[Totem Polar]

The video made me laugh out loud.

[SGT_Calle]

I didn't realize the SOCP was such a bad thing, but I (like the op) have zero CQB experience or training. I assumed it was designed so you didn't have to drop it, not so you could always use it w/ gun, lol.
As fas as the new stabby thing, just wow.

[Tamara]

The video made me laugh out loud.

I don't see how the guy in the video busted all those poses with a straight face.

[TCinVA]

I am aware, and I personally think it seems viable in the niche role described. However, given my complete lack of CQB experience, and the fact that some people found the idea stupid even after the explanation, I termed it "controversial" (I kinda see it like a BAD lever, you got knowledgeable folks on both sides of the debate). Hell, look at how the Manly Bayonet could used: you shoot normally, and deploy the blade only when necessary, with a seamless transition back to the pistol if needed, same underlying idea as the SOCP. Of course, the way the Manly Bayonet attempts to fill the niche the SOCP already does is where it all falls apart: retarded deployment, crap retention after deployment, not usable without the baseplate, etc.

I'm going to be bold here and suggest that if CQB really demonstrated a need for a knife-gun combo that JSOC and guys like SouthNarc and Cecil would be championing the idea from the rooftops. The fact that this sort of innovation isn't coming from those quarters leads me to wonder about the existence of that niche in the first place.

[JodyH]

What happens when you have to reload?

I can see a Three Stooges moment with a CQB stud trying to operate with a empty mag sticking out of the top of his foot.
Reloads don't scare me as much as immediate action drills.
Tap... unwrap Snickers cause you aren't going anywhere for a while.

[SGT_Calle]

Not to mention, after one reload you're out of the stabbin' fight, unless you're supposed to replace all of your base plates.

[Nephrology]

Not to mention it's probably not the easiest thing in the world to maneuver the baseplate of your mag while in the pistol onto the fairly small blade that you have tucked away on the side of your plate carrier....

[LSP552]

A self correcting problem with the typically poor trigger finger discipline of the folks attracted to it.

Ken

[Joe in PNG]

Well, that's one way to keep people from the teacup weaver...

[JodyH]

Well, that's one way to keep people from the teacup weaver...
I'm rethinking my position on this accessory now.
I may have to buy one as a "negative reinforcement" teaching aid.

[Tamara]

Well, that's one way to keep people from the teacup weaver...

Epic.

[Trajan]

I am aware, and I personally think it seems viable in the niche role described. However, given my complete lack of CQB experience, and the fact that some people found the idea stupid even after the explanation, I termed it "controversial" (I kinda see it like a BAD lever, you got knowledgeable folks on both sides of the debate). Hell, look at how the Manly Bayonet could used: you shoot normally, and deploy the blade only when necessary, with a seamless transition back to the pistol if needed, same underlying idea as the SOCP. Of course, the way the Manly Bayonet attempts to fill the niche the SOCP already does is where it all falls apart: retarded deployment, crap retention after deployment, not usable without the baseplate, etc.

That photo is after you are done using it, then you back up and use your pistol. It's (SOCP) not advocating stabbing people with your magwell, unlike this contraption.

Like this video at 4:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs-TObcA6R0

[YVK]

I wonder if getting a partial mag stuck in one's foot would qualify for a reload with retention in IDPA.

[will_1400]

Waiting for the Spetsnaz edition where they use this type of mag in a PSM or Makarov modified with one of those springs from their ballistic knives in the mag well: point blade at Chechen, hit mag release.

ETA: the heel mag release in the Mak and PSM might make things a bit difficult in execution, though.

[5pins]

" Originally Posted by Tim Johnson FBI, U.S. Counter-terrorism Expert/Operator
In the world of CQB, when ‘IT’ hits the fan and ‘Mr. Murphy’ comes calling, Manly Innovations has the given the answer with a real last line of defense. The MBX and the Manly bayonet will be a real life saver. Whether as a secondary CQB weapon, or primary weapon for tubular assault. The user never gives up control of his sidearm to reach for a blade; that is invaluable."

Lord, I sure hope Tim Johnson can get the FBI to adopt this thing. It is PERFECT for them.

When “IT” hits the fan I call the IT department and they tell me to reboot my computer.

But on a serious note, oh wait what was I thinking there is no serious note.

[GardoneVT]

The thugs best friend.

No longer must a crazed cretin risk life and limb trying to steal an officers openly carried duty gun.All they need do is pop the mag release, stab the owner, and release the firearm to continue their rampage.

[ToddG]

Tap... unwrap Snickers cause you aren't going anywhere for a while.

Best thread ever.

[Slavex]

do you have to learn forward and backward roles to use this thing? Cuz I hate rolling.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Ideally I think they should come up with a mag that houses an OTF-type auto knife, with a button somewhere on the baseplate.

Mainly because I love surprises, and also I want to hear people defend the concept even though it's radically reducing their ammo capacity.

[Joe in PNG]

For some reason, SCP-572 (http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-572) comes to mind.

[Slavex]

Actually an Out the Bottom knife would sell great in New York and other states that have enacted mag limits.....

[feudist]

For some reason, SCP-572 (http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-572) comes to mind.

Er, what did I just click on?

'Cause I got skeered and left.

[LHS]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fc/Equilibriuspikeberetta.jpg

This is just the next step towards Gun Kata...

[1slow]

Al least the Elgin Cutlass Pistol had the barrel and the blade point in the same direction.
This is going to put some chlorine in the gene pool!

[feudist]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fc/Equilibriuspikeberetta.jpg

This is just the next step towards Gun Kata...

"He's a SENSE OFFENDER!"

[Nephrology]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fc/Equilibriuspikeberetta.jpg

This is just the next step towards Gun Kata...

Dude is really asking for a round through his wrist. (I know it's a movie :P)

[Joe in PNG]

Dude is really asking for a round through his wrist. (I know it's a movie :P)

No worries, it's only an airsoft gun.

[Alaskapopo]

Needs MOAR pistol bayonet.

Ironically, I can see blood being spilled on ranges from cuts, punctures, stabs and assorted oopsies associated with products like this.

Yep like during reloads. Ouch!
Pat

[Hatchetman]

They like totally need to make these things for Desert Eagle .50s so you can carry a pair of Deagles and use them like like those karate scythe dealies. Or, if you are a New York emergency operations official appointed by Cuomo and wanted to keep your laser pointer on target, er, map you could just like stab the whole gun into the podium like a total badass. Or something.

[TCinVA]

They've apparently removed the video. Perhaps the footage of the "operator" almost hitting himself in the face with his own gun while trying to use the stabby bit was embarrassing.

In any case, it solves the question of whether or not this was a prank. If they took down the video it's a real thing...which is frightening.

[Byron]

Have no fear, TC - looks like Mr. Manly re-uploaded to a new url:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lLAkWtvWB0

I guess he just needs to let his webpage admins know... because the home page still has the now-removed version embedded.

[Tamara]

I do kinda feel sorry for him, but that doesn't make his brainchild any less ugly.

[Drang]

Maybe there should be a thread for "Stupid Self-Defense Ideas", to include products.

Back in 2002, some woman in SoCal was marketing something she called the 911Jack. It was a bronze bristle barbecue brush in a holder one hung around their neck. When attacked by the drug-crazed zombie ninja biker robot clown, one was to pull this out and rake it across his face, causing such severe pain he would smurf his pants and run away crying like a little girl, plus, you'd have a DNA sample!

[EMC]

Like this:

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/08/dod-announces-new-inverted-multi-purpose-ballistic-tomahawk-bayonet-imbtb/